Unfair Chat Restrictions

Ztringz·May 24, 2018·1 votes·2,145 views

Has anybody else noticed that you will get a restriction for flaming someone who is actively trying to lose the game. I don't necessarily think that's fair. I understand, that we shouldn't be toxic, but this isn't exclusive to me. I know several people who were restricted for getting upset at and flaming people who would do things like literally not walk past krugs because they were salty about how they lost their first tower or because a teammate decided that they were going to continuously dive 1v5 (none of whom to the knowledge of these players received any kind of punishment). I get that it's a very hard balance to achieve, but you shouldn't be banned for flaming people who are trying to lose the game imo.

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ChermorgMay 24, 201811 votes

Has anybody else noticed that you will get a restriction for flaming someone

Yes, I have. I'm unsure as to why you included the parts after this.

I know several people who were restricted for getting upset at and flaming people who would do things like literally not walk past krugs because they were salty about how they lost their first tower or because a teammate decided that they were going to continuously dive 1v5 (none of whom to the knowledge of these players received any kind of punishment).

Others behavior does not justify yours. You control your enter key. Nobody else does.

I get that it's a very hard balance to achieve, but you shouldn't be banned for flaming people who are trying to lose the game imo.

This would make sense... if your flaming was only directed at and only affected one other person. However, your flaming affects your entire team, even the innocent ones.

This isn't even to mention the fact you have no right to determine if someone's violating the rules - that's Riot's job.

ChompyWulfMay 24, 20181 votes

Except Riot often passes the buck when it comes to investigating toxic gameplay, the claim being it's hard to separate a bad game from intentional conduct to throw it. That can particularly make enjoying the game challenging if this repeats over and over. (I can't remember the last time I saw or heard of a suspension or ban for game trolling. Hell, seems like Riot only focuses on espousing banning chat flamers.) Kinda makes it unfair to blame players who get fed up if nothing is done.

ChermorgMay 24, 20185 votes

It is hard to prove intent. Players are getting fed up because they want innocent players (or players who may look guilty but not be guilty beyond reasonable doubt) to be punished.

ChompyWulfMay 24, 20181 votes

When you can look up match history and see a player dying repeatedly in aggressive locations with several enemies getting some kill participation, to not too hard to work out when some people need punished. Sometimes you're stuck with a crappy player, other times they clearly are throwing.

Doesn't help that Riot also has never had more advanced tutorials so people can actually learn more about the game and avoid newbie mistakes. Instead they need to find all kinds of guides and videos around the internet.

ChermorgMay 24, 20181 votes

Having an aggressive playstyle and dying isn't punishable. Not everyone plays the way you would. There is no one right way to play.

Their "punishment" for not playing less aggressive is it will reflect in their skill and thus their matchmaking rating.

ChompyWulfMay 24, 20181 votes

The fact you keep ignoring the point that people do troll in games this way just underscores how much of a company drone you are.

ChermorgMay 25, 20181 votes

I'm not saying people do troll. I am saying most times that go unpunished it is because it is indistinguishable from the millions of bronze/silver/any ELO players who are just bad at the game.

ChompyWulfMay 25, 20181 votes

Another drone affirmation. There's bad, and there are clearly throwing trolls who are easily spotted. Keep spewing trash, boot licker.

ChermorgMay 25, 20181 votes

Just because you think it's clear doesn't mean it is. There's a reason even juries are given very specific instructions.

ChompyWulfMay 25, 20181 votes

If a computer program can filter and find chat violations that don't even include cursing or threats, they can have one filter out bad gamers and clear inters running down lane. The fact you can't even admit that shows how brainwashed you are.

ChermorgMay 26, 20181 votes

Chat is black and white. There is no grey area. The same chat will always be punished the same.

Someone going 0/23 may very well be inting and get punished. Snother person going the same may have not been inting and not get punished. There is no combination of statistics that can prove intent in non-obvious cases.

ChompyWulfMay 26, 20181 votes

The point is chat reporting system is already busted and broke if Riot will punish people for not even cussing, threatening, using slurs, etc... Some program work to track death timers, time from respawn to another death, and player inputs can very easily work out troll behavior. But you're going to keep pretending it's impossible to separate that from bad play.

ChermorgMay 26, 20181 votes

Cursing, threatening, and slurs are not the only forms of toxicity.

The statistics you mentioned can not definitively define a troll from a non-troll. There are many valid and non-punishable cases which may look like trolling but are legitimate bad play.

If you think you can so magically code a way to do it, please feel free to go help Riot do it.