I. Hate. Quitters.

Samus72·Nov 20, 2015·6 votes·1,630 views

(I was told to move this here.)

I hate people who surrender.

Now, before anyone goes off on a tangent about a toxic mindset, this is not a post about disliking and insulting people.

That being said, I am sick and tired of being teamed up with players who wait for the twenty minute mark just to surrender. The team has lost all their outer turrets. The surrender vote goes up. The team gets Triple Killed. Surrender vote goes up. Lose an inner turret. Surrender vote goes up again. Someone blinks. Surrender vote.

I'm sick of it.

Why did you queue up if all you were going to do was surrender? If you're so keen on giving up, why don't you just leave? Ooooh. You cannot leave. The game will punish you for that. But it is perfectly acceptable to tell the rest of the team you do not want to continue because you cannot finish what you started. And nothing stops that same person from initiating another surrender vote after a cool down. I ought to start adding people who surrender to my blocked list. I doubt it works that way though.

If you are going to surrender, do not play. Go home and crawl under your bed. The rest of us want to finish the game.

45 Comments

Samus72Nov 20, 20154 votes

Before this was deleted and I was told to move it here, someone told me that if I was always being surrendered on, I should look at what I'm contributing and see if I am the problem.

First off, I refuse to surrender. If it were a 5 versus 1 game, you'd have to destroy my Nexus. I won't stop. I will not even vote on surrendering because I do not see it as an option. I've been through WoW BG's where my entire ten man team has sat at the starter and let the other side win. I never did that. I may have been slaughtered outside the fence, but I kept going.

If SKT had surrendered in any of their tournament games, they would have been booed off the stage. So, don't think it's because I'm not contributing that's forcing the surrender vote. I won't even type in the command to initiate it.

Maximum MordeNov 20, 201511 votes

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Before this was deleted and I was told to move it here, someone told me that if I was always being surrendered on, I should look at what I'm contributing and see if I am the problem.

First off, I refuse to surrender. If it were a 5 versus 1 game, you'd have to destroy my Nexus. I won't stop.

This is the reason Surrendering doesn't require a unanimous vote. Really it should only require a majority. Holding other people hostage when they aren't having fun just to further your own delusions is asinine.

DJColdCutzNov 20, 20152 votes

100% agree.

LordGeovanniNov 21, 20151 votes

no body is holding you hostage in a game that you decided to go play and every game you decide its not worth it half way the question becomes if you know this is a recurring feeling why do you keep comming back. i dont even entertain surrender votes i out right ignore them in most of my matches i started the game im gonna play the game i started. im not the person to pick a 4 man late game comp and give up when the enemy has a kill advantage early but we still winning in towers

TDubHNov 20, 20151 votes

Actually SKT could've surrendered in the earlier stages and no-body woud have cared, the thing is SKT never NEEDED to surrender they had the games IN THE BAG, you obviously don't, if you enjoy acting like stupid and commiting suicide and not practicing basics of the game, go ahead, but if you cannot communicate with the team, (Not always your fault) the only thing you're practicing is how to do it wrong and that is not a good thing to practice... and you can contribute to your own surrender vote simply by existing, i know i've caused people to give up My attitude my mechanics my stupidity my incapability to operate with them

any one of my failures can instill defeatism in my own team you have some of those errors too.

NarsicusNov 20, 20153 votes

Because people like winning and don't like losing. So when a team is losing people with this mindset are not having fun and just want to end the game and move to the next where they might stomp the opposition and have fun. It doesn't matter that sticking it out would increase their overall win rate because of the possibility of turning it around, what is important is that they are not having fun at the present moment.

The solution for me is to try and have fun even when you are losing horribly and victory seems gone forever, make it a personal mission to take out that guy who hasn't died yet or making life a living hell for that 12/1 Vayne on the enemy team. I remember a game where my team was being destroyed by an enemy Akali so a friend and I just did everything in our power to seek her out and kill her at all times. Vision wards, sweepers, stuns, everything we could to keep her respawning constantly. I don't remember if we wont that game, I think we did but idk, but I certainly remember Akali's confidence turning to desperation as the Annie/Taric death squad took her out over and over gain. Good times.

SmokedAlmondsNov 21, 20153 votes

It is a vote for a reason. So that as a team you can decide if you want to continue. The surrender system even leans to your side be requiring a super majority to pass.

There are certainly people that I think give up too easily and there are also people I think are being silly by refusing to surrender. But when to surrender is completely subjective and there are a plethora of factors that go into wanting to surrender.

Samus72Nov 21, 20151 votes

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It is a vote for a reason. So that as a team you can decide if you want to continue. The surrender system even leans to your side be requiring a super majority to pass.

There are certainly people that I think give up too easily and there are also people I think are being silly by refusing to surrender. But when to surrender is completely subjective and there are a plethora of factors that go into wanting to surrender.

Funny you mention this. I was just in a game where my team clearly had no defense. With our Nexus turrets up, the enemy team did a rush. I quickly shot down three enemies and another team mate shot down a fourth (no, I'm not bragging. I really did it!!) Instead of capitalizing on the 50 second plus respawn time, the team surrendered. We could have hit them and maybe turned things around. Instead, four people voted "Yes" to give up in three seconds. You tell me that was justified.

SmokedAlmondsNov 21, 20153 votes

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Funny you mention this. I was just in a game where my team clearly had no defense. With our Nexus turrets up, the enemy team did a rush. I quickly shot down three enemies and another team mate shot down a fourth (no, I'm not bragging. I really did it!!) Instead of capitalizing on the 50 second plus respawn time, the team surrendered. We could have hit them and maybe turned things around. Instead, four people voted "Yes" to give up in three seconds. You tell me that was justified.

People have the right to whatever reasons for wanting surrendering they have. The only exception to this I can think of is if you surrender specifically to troll someone but if you have 4 people working together to do that then the 5th person probably wants out more often than not anyway.

You could have turned it around, sure. But you a betting time on that. The odds are simply not going to be worth it for everyone.

Lithium RosaNov 20, 20152 votes

Block list only blocks chat, it doesn't stop them from teaming up with you again. Which is very sad for me, because I have at least a hundred players on my block list who I don't want to play with ever again.

And yeah,i agree with what you said. Another type of surrender which makes me angry is when the guy who starts surrender is the only one doing bad in the team. Like you already made this game harder for us, and now you want to put all our efforts in vain just because you are not having a lot of kills? If I am feeding, I will never have enough courage to start a surrender vote

LordGeovanniNov 21, 20151 votes

block list doesnt let me scroll so i can only see the people from 7- AP

ChimewlanNov 21, 20152 votes

Bruh, im not wasting my life on 30+ more minutes of watching my team fall down. it's people like you that make the most of us hate playing games where we're losing and we can't leave the game.

Samus72Nov 21, 20151 votes

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Bruh, im not wasting my life on 30+ more minutes of watching my team fall down. it's people like you that make the most of us hate playing games where we're losing and we can't leave the game.

Death of a coward, so be it. If you hate losing so badly, don't queue up. SOMEONE is going to lose. And if you feel that strongly about being beaten, gaming is not for you.

SpecterVonBarenNov 21, 20153 votes

Maybe once you're level 30 and have played this game long enough you'll understand.

ChimewlanNov 22, 20152 votes

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Death of a coward, so be it. If you hate losing so badly, don't queue up. SOMEONE is going to lose. And if you feel that strongly about being beaten, gaming is not for you.

It's not that I hate losing (depends on how the game is), but I hate games that are obvious that you're going to lose 40 minutes in already with two nexus towers down and 3 people that don't want to surrender. And no, I don't feel strongly about being beaten either. I used to think the same way as you do: that people shouldn't surrender and that they are quitters if they do so, but once I understood the game more, surrendering when it's obvious that you're going to lose seems more the right way compared to watching everyone suffer another five minutes of an unwinnable, boring game because you decided to say no on the surrender vote.

FowusNov 21, 20152 votes

do you ever think that some people don't wanna play an already lost game

Samus72Nov 21, 20152 votes

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do you ever think that some people don't wanna play an already lost game

Just because you lost two turrets doesn't mean the game is over. People are just giving up and surrendering at the twenty minute mark. THAT is what I am complaining about.

FowusNov 21, 20151 votes

most of the time you have more than two towers down by the 20 minute mark because they're so weak now

Samus72Nov 22, 20151 votes

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most of the time you have more than two towers down by the 20 minute mark because they're so weak now

You are missing the point. /bonk

KãtãrinãNov 20, 20151 votes

Blocking people doesn't stop them from being qued up with you. Just a FYI

Samus72Nov 20, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Bad Doge,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aqXVg1hT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-20T17:10:16.321+0000)

Blocking people doesn't stop them from being qued up with you. Just a FYI

Sad.

KãtãrinãNov 20, 20155 votes

I don't see why you have such a negative outlook on surrender, especially for a normal game. Sometimes you need to accept defeat and move on.

Samus72Nov 20, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Bad Doge,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aqXVg1hT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-20T17:20:32.552+0000)

I don't see why you have such a negative outlook on surrender, especially for a normal game. Sometimes you need to accept defeat and move on.

If you thought about it, you might. But I'll tell you anyway.

Because there is always a chance, no matter how small, that things might turn around. The enemy team might get overconfident and quickly be quad killed while under player AoE and turret fire. It's also a good opportunity to practice under pressure!

Most of the time, the surrender option appears right at the twenty minute mark. That's when the game first allows you to type it in. We're not even down a turret and someone is already surrendering! What is the intent there?

KãtãrinãNov 20, 20156 votes

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If you thought about it, you might. But I'll tell you anyway.

Because there is always a chance, no matter how small, that things might turn around. The enemy team might get overconfident and quickly be quad killed while under player AoE and turret fire. It's also a good opportunity to practice under pressure!

Most of the time, the surrender option appears right at the twenty minute mark. That's when the game first allows you to type it in. We're not even down a turret and someone is already surrendering! What is the intent there?

lol in normals i don't care if there is a chance or not. if i can FF at 25 or 30 instead of playing a 50+ minute game and end up losing to a pick then id choose the FF.Its a normal, now if its ranked i'm not going to surrender unless its 20+ kills over us or so.

Samus72Nov 20, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Bad Doge,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aqXVg1hT,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-20T17:28:49.396+0000)

lol in normals i don't care if there is a chance or not. if i can FF at 25 or 30 instead of playing a 50+ minute game and end up losing to a pick then id choose the FF.Its a normal, now if its ranked i'm not going to surrender unless its 20+ kills over us or so.

I'm not level 30 yet. "Normals" are all I can do right now.

Remind me not to play with you. You're clearly not professional material.

KãtãrinãNov 20, 20156 votes

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I'm not level 30 yet. "Normals" are all I can do right now.

Remind me not to play with you. You're clearly not professional material.

People in professional play have surrendered before. Guess LCS players aren't professional after they surrender.

Samus72Nov 20, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Bad Doge,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aqXVg1hT,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-20T17:49:20.336+0000)

People in professional play have surrendered before. Guess LCS players aren't professional after they surrender.

Sorry. I watched the World Finals. I did not see any of those teams /surrender.

TDubHNov 20, 20155 votes

watch the first matches of worlds, there were surrenders. People who made this game their life surrendered, they still have their positions. and treating every game like the world finals makes me hope i never play with you. seriously, chill the fuck out... Defeatism is annoying and stupidly common right now but let people learn in normals, but from my own weaknesses in my playstyle i'd rather play the first 10 minutes of a game 50 times in a row to practice than go through 20 grueling additional minutes where my more refined mechanics are tested.

i mean theres a line where its fine being a hard-ass but someitmes i want to practice not fucking up from the start instead of embedding my fuck-ups...

Samus72Nov 20, 20151 votes

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watch ...

I deleted the rest of your reply because your profanity does not need to be quoted. Personally, I don't think it belongs here but Riot thinks otherwise.

There is always going to be a winner and a loser. Take your lumps. If you are not going to try your hardest, get out. Because if you don't, you don't belong in the game. I've never seen a professional team in any sport give up. No pro basketball team behind by twenty points has walked off the court in the third quarter. No pro baseball team has ever told the umpire "We quit" and left the field. You know why? Because you don't do that. You finish what you started. A team that walks off the field will be booed all the way to the locker room. They'll probably be fined for it.

And don't give me the "Normals aren't pro's" bit. Some of us do want to up our game but we keep being held back by those who give up for no other reason than because they can. I keep being handed defeat because the other members I'm teamed with, for whatever reason in their minds, give up. I. HATE. THAT.

If all people want to do is quit, then get out of here. I'm well aware of the concept of not fighting a battle you cannot win. But just because you lost two turrets doesn't mean you are completely defeated. If you want to quit at that point, leave the game. The rest of us can do without your defeatist attitude. Go crawl under your bed and stay there.

TragicTrajectoryNov 20, 20153 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLS7N1U2u48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65e3mP-r9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59L69iacXHU

Not the best examples but surrenders happen at all levels of play. There might be a strategy to it in series games that I don't know about.

People do not boo a boxer off stage because his second threw in the towel, it's part of the sport. The reason fans would boo is a football team walked is because forfeiting is not a part of the game. In League of Legends the surrender vote exists, and therefore it is not wrong to use it,l it's part of the game.

Anyway I think the main reason people are replying is because they are trying to explain the difference between giving up and conceding defeat.

Samus72Nov 20, 20151 votes

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People do not boo a boxer off stage because his second threw in the towel, it's part of the sport. The reason fans would boo is a football team walked is because forfeiting is not a part of the game. In League of Legends the surrender vote exists, and therefore it is not wrong to use it,l it's part of the game.

Anyway I think the main reason people are replying is because they are trying to explain the difference between giving up and conceding defeat.

I understand the difference. And that's my point. I said in my original post I was tired of people automatically giving up at the twenty minute mark. I even gave examples! Lost all outer turrets. They give up. One triple kill. People give up.

The only situations where I feel like giving up is when I and at least two others are pounding on an enemy and his health bar is not moving. "Cannot be slowed" or "invulnerable" appear on every attack. Then all three of us are killed by that person. That's usually a late game scenario. When it's clear the enemy is too strong, I sometimes consider giving up. But that's not a frequent occurrence.

It reminds me of a scene in the movie "PCU." The "Daves" are supposed to hang up fliers. One person gives them grief and the Daves throw their stack of fliers down and say "Let's give up." One slight piece of opposition and they're done.

That's what these people surrendering all the time remind me of. Dejected and lazy, they'd rather give up then stand up and fight because that is the easiest way out.

I hate that.

TDubHNov 22, 20152 votes

You know whats funny? Swearing is most often a blunt way of putting something... Someone can say "Go crawl under your bed and stay there" and someone else can say "Go fuck yourself" and in the end they mean the exist same thing...

So my blunt "profanity" is just me acting like i am, unpleasant... you calling me out on it amuses me... because you're acting just as unpleasant without the swear words.

Taking my lumps are understanding when the game is never going to be in my favor, and instead of going about that and embedding my errors into my gameplay as habit, i'd rather have another opportunity to practice doing it right white knighting me as a defeatist is rather rude because i never explained when i surrender... You see unlike someone who gives up at the first sign of trouble i'm OK with someone grouching at me I'm OK with someone giving first blood I'm OK with losing a few towers I'm ok being behind a couple of kills

I'm NOT ok with my team being completely incompatible I'm not OK when my team doesn't communicate I'm NOT OK when i look at the scoreboard and see their trinkets and see "2" at every point in the game I'm NOT ok when when our team attempts to do what it simply can't

and especially above all, and this is out of game I HATE PLAYERS who treat themselves like heroes against trash. by extension, i really hate you...

And you know whats funny, Normals AREN'T PRO'S do basketball players REALLY treat their scrimmages, their individual matches EXACTLY like they do their professional matches? because from personal experience its not, its drill, drill and drill. i DRILL the basic mechanics of technique...

Now tell me in terms of league where might that place be to drill basic mechanics Ohhh I THINK ITS CALLED NORMALS.

and whilst league and basketball do share some similarities, previously i thought league had something seperating it from basketball:

The ability to recognize that get your head beat in was not a good way to improve and that repeats of that degrade player skill.

This seasons white knights have proven me wrong... apparently there is enjoyment in beating ones head into a brick wall... Personally i enjoy finding out how to blow it up.

KãtãrinãNov 21, 20151 votes

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Sorry. I watched the World Finals. I did not see any of those teams /surrender.

I did NOT say this season, watch past prodcasts, watch the things that aren't just finals, like qualifiers or any other sort. people SURRENDER. it doesn't make them any less of a professional.

Sona PingNov 23, 20153 votes

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Because there is always a chance, no matter how small, that things might turn around.

This is very true; There is some chance. However, running around unable to do anything, just getting one-shot over and over and over whenever you leave base goddamn SUCKS.

It is not fun.

And having fun is the reason they queued up, it's the reason a lot of people play League of Legends. And being stuck like that, not being allowed to play League of Legends for another 20 minutes because the enemy team has too little sense to end the game already is awful, boring, and frustrating. It SUCKS. So people want to avoid that and get it over already. They surrender so they can move on and actually get to play the damn game.

LostSoul666Nov 20, 20151 votes

in the meta the way it is now....i think the surrender option should be avalible sooner. Matches are decided the moment a team gets ahead.

Samus72Nov 21, 20151 votes

"Never tell me the odds." -Solo, ESB.

We'll never know if we could have turned it around, will we?

SmokedAlmondsNov 21, 20151 votes

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"Never tell me the odds." -Solo, ESB.

We'll never know if we could have turned it around, will we?

That is all well and good when you have no options and something significant is at stake, odds are probably more likely to distract you than anything.

If I have some minuscule chance to win a game and Its gonna cost me at least 20 minutes of an uphill battle to find out if I hit the lottery I'm gonna surrender. In my experience most of these games come down to stalling a game until everyone is full build but then you are still left with the skill deficiency that lead to being behind in the first place. On top of that if you are blocking a surrender to continue then you also have a team of people who don't think they can win so you also have a moral problem.

I simply have no interest in turtling for 20+ minutes mostly just hoping that the enemy team throws. Unless like my whole team has strong late game champs and they have a lot of champs that fall off I am voting yes on the surrender. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.

If you don't want to surrender that is fine, vote no when it comes up. But it is ridiculous to expect everyone else to share your view.

LordGeovanniNov 21, 20151 votes

its so annoying for about a whole year comming this december will make where constant surrenders in 85-90% of my games started. its horrible and even worse in ranked and needs to be removed all together if you aren't dedicated to the game you shouldn't be on ranked

Samus72Nov 23, 20151 votes

So angry...

Samus72Nov 27, 20151 votes

More examples.

Today, no turrets destroyed, twenty minutes in, my side surrenders four to zero. In after game chat, the other team asks why we surrendered. "We had two AFK." Yes, I, too, wanted to know why the surrender was made. There was no damn good reason for it.

Second, just a few minutes ago. The sides were mostly even with the exception of one player who died seven times before the ten minute mark. The enemy team was no where near dominating nor had they even gotten past our inner turrets. My team surrenders. No friggin idea why. I called them a bunch of cowards at the end only to have the person who started the surrender vote say "Eff yeah!"

Defend that.

Makior72Nov 28, 20151 votes

This will happen less when you hit lvl 30. I am convinced that most people who are not level 30 are smurf accounts and just want to level as fast as possible hence surrender@20 for stupid stuff instead of fighting it out.

Samus72Nov 28, 20151 votes

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This will happen less when you hit lvl 30. I am convinced that most people who are not level 30 are smurf accounts and just want to level as fast as possible hence surrender@20 for stupid stuff instead of fighting it out.

I wish I could believe that. I really do. I've got the experience that says it is not true. Not in this game, mind you. But it cannot be all that different than any other game out there.

Samus72Dec 2, 20151 votes

More evidence.

At the ten minute mark, a player in a game today whines that he has zero kills and wants to "ff at 20." Sure enough, he does.

I tell the guy if he wants to quit so badly, he can leave. But he complains that he doesn't want the leaver buster. "But you want to damn the rest of us with a loss because you want to quit." He doesn't have much of a response to that. At the 19 minute mark, this same player gets upset when I get the killing blow on an enemy we are both attacking. "KS!" he bellows. "I thought you wanted to quit. Why do you care about scores?" "I'm still trying," he says. "You're not trying. You're quitting," I tell him. Sure enough, at the twenty minute mark, this same player flags a surrender. But since I won't vote, it fails. At the twenty five minute mark, the same person flags for surrender again. I refuse to vote and it fails again. At this point, the rest of the team hides in the jungle, refuses to fight, and our base is quickly toppled.

I suppose someone will defend them with "they're not having fun so they want to leave" or some other kind of support. Ten minutes in and the game is over for at least one person. Does that show you what kind of mindset I keep coming up against when playing this game?

shiddy pingNov 21, 20161 votes

I agree with most of your mindset, but you're a bit too arrogant, talking about, "You're not professional material," and bullcrap like that. Although I hate quitters, I don't hate them because they're "unprofessional." First and foremost, it's just a game, and you aren't being any more "professional" by refusing to surrender. I refuse to surrender because, as you pointed out, it's good practice to play under pressure. And I hate quitters because they are very narrow-minded and they jump to conclusions too fast. Don't think you're hot sh*t and professional for wanting to play a game.