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Is being competitive toxic?

Grivendal··1 votes·1,582 views

I got chat restricted.You ve all been there right? Maybe a hard day at work and you SNAP at the 12 year old that was afk so 'i can gut mor exp an gold,cause i m lo lelver' Well,i didnt actually snap.I said 'keep it cool man,you are an adult,just play the game'.But NOO.I got dived and killed by the jungler,mid and top.So now I am the feeder and the whole team is flaming at me.Again i didnt talk to anyone.I just tried to explaing why i am not the reason we lost mid turrent.

Of course you cant reason with them.1 unranked and 2 bronze|||,thx DQ. The thing is that when i talk i use the word 'fuk'.Not against someone but like:'can we get the fing dragon?'.Or 'kill the fing adc'.Or when i finally killed the massively fed jungle gragas,i said:'Die you spawn of hell',trying to be funny.I guess rito finds this behaviour innapropriate?Competitiveness and trash talk is a major component in any sport but now even saying:'plz dont go dragon jngl is up' is toxic.

There were 2 more games that got me chat restricted.Most of them were me just talking and tilting the opponent.Saying things like :'u mad bro?' etc.I guess even THAT is not appropriate.Or saying:'you are 2 divisions down',it's toxic while it's true!!

Anyway,i think that if league is this e-sport,they shouldnt be THAT sensitive and should look both sides of the coin.In the first game i got harassed to the point i didnt want to play any more game that day,BUT because everyone was against me and everyone reported me i am the bad guy. Feels bad man.I guess rito reforms to their audience.12 year olds spent the most money so we better 'protect' them from a competitive environment,while pro league players...cough mete..cough...arent held accountable for more serious reasons.

Edit My post seems to upset many people.If you want chat logs,i dont have them,chat restriction is lifted. If you dont believe what i am saying,then simply dont comment.I am just stating how i feel,i dont really care about a chat restriction whatsoever. If trash talking your opponent considered toxic and innapropriate then stay away from every competitive sport. If just pointing out the obvious is considered 'mean' then reavaluate.If it's true it;s not mean.PC culture is really spreading everywhere. If cursing is worse than trolling,feeding intentionally,helping the enemy team etc then we should not call it 'League of Legends' but 'League of Pathetic Losers'

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Deep Terror Nami7 votes

I got chat restricted.You ve all been there right?

Most people haven't been.

I just tried to explaing why i am not the reason we lost mid turrent.

If they are looking for someone to blame, it's unlikely you can change their minds. It's best to just mute them and focus on the match, because responding to their taunts is likely to just make it worse.

Of course you cant reason with them.1 unranked and 2 bronze|||,thx DQ.

You're in the group with them because you are within their MMR range. You'll get grouped with people around those divisions regardless of DQ because teams are created according to your MMR not your Rank, and unranked players get a baseline of MMR around where you're at.

Saying things like :'u mad bro?' etc.I guess even THAT is not appropriate.Or saying:'you are 2 divisions down',it's toxic while it's true!!

Being passive-aggressive isn't helping anyone. As above, that kind of behavior is more likely to make things worse than anything else. And just because something is 'true' doesn't mean it's useful to point it out. I could say "You're just a Silver 4", but what does that accomplish other than instigate a fight?

I guess rito reforms to their audience.12 year olds spent the most money so we better 'protect' them from a competitive environment, while pro league players...cough mete..cough...arent held accountable for more serious reasons.

Age and money spent is irrelevant as all players are treated the same. Also, I think you are confusing "competitive" with something else; trash talking is nothing more than immaturity.

If you'd post your chat logs we could probably advise you more appropriately. Cursing isn't a big deal; it's directing it at other players in a manner which creates a negative environment.

Grivendal1 votes

As i said,'been there' refers to the hard day at work.

DQ enables 4(bronze)man premade+me vs 5 solo high silver.My MMR is higher than their individual MMR.(there are many helpful sites where you can check these things out).

Saying 'u mad bro','get on my level' etc are popular internet 'memes' that are more humouristic than anything else.If you are lets say a ufc fighter,you try every mental game in your book to 'break' your opponent.If league is an e-SPORT,why it's different to use mental tricks to tilt your opponent.

Lastly,you have been playing DQ for the last 5-6 months and you still think that every player gets treated the same?When you cut down the core component of competitive play,soloQ,and you replace it with DQ,isnt that treating the casual players BETTER than more serious ones?

Destíny1 votes

Stop hating on bronzes. You are playing with bronzes because your mmr is bronze. Everyone has been bronze before but the people with the better attitude is able to improve and get out of there.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

'been there' refers to the hard day at work.

Sorry for the confusion. I'd like to suggest moving that part to after the segment it refers to.

DQ enables 4(bronze)man premade+me vs 5 solo high silver.My MMR is higher than their individual MMR.(there are many helpful sites where you can check these things out).

Third party sites only have a rough estimation of your MMR based on their own algorithms. They will all give you something different and are should not be taken at face value. I'm seeing most of your matches as being among low Silver players on both teams; if your MMR was not at that range I'd expect to see more higher division players. What are your LP gains like? That is the best indication of your current MMR.

Saying 'u mad bro','get on my level' etc are popular internet 'memes' that are more humouristic than anything else.

They may be memes, but they are still phrases intended to evoke a negative emotional response.

If you are lets say a ufc fighter,you try every mental game in your book to 'break' your opponent.If league is an e-SPORT,why it's different to use mental tricks to tilt your opponent.

We can argue about why trash-talking should or should not be allowed all day, but in the end there are only 2 factors that matter;

  1. Players are largely against it. The people that are ok with it won't report it, and you won't get punished if you aren't reported.
  2. Riot says to keep negative behavior to yourself. They are simply enforcing what the community wants.

Lastly,you have been playing DQ for the last 5-6 months and you still think that every player gets treated the same?When you cut down the core component of competitive play,soloQ,and you replace it with DQ,isnt that treating the casual players BETTER than more serious ones?

What you said before was completely different from this. I was addressing the treatment of money, age, and popularity. Here you are making a case for the Dynamic aspect of matchmaking.

Grivendal1 votes

So basically the whole arguement is IF 'trash' talking is acceptable in league.Thats the whole reason i made the post.I simply dont agree with this.I dont consider trash talking as negative behaviour.It is part of this,again,eSPORT.

But what i consider toxic and unwanted,this PC community that keeps evolving and becoming one with league.Please understand that i dont agree with name calling,racial slurs or spamming.Just some friendly poking.

Also,Riot really doesnt have a clue about what the community wants.These 'statistics' and infographs are not cohort and are based on the number of reports, being filedwhich is by definition rigged,since as i stated you can get reported for anything.Vicious Circle.

About your last statement.League has a convention rate of 3-5%,meaning that every 100 player playing league,3-5 of them at best,will put money in the game.5% is the outmost biggest CR that any company can hope for.BUT if your company(riot) stops scaling and the growth rate stales,then this means problem.So what you do?You either have to increase your base customers OR you have to increase your convertion rate.Thus the hextech crafting system and DQ.Why?DQ draws casual players to spend more time in the game,meaning that there is a bigger chance of spending money.What is the comon denominator of casual players?Believe it or not,they are TEENS. So the demographic that riot WANTS to make happy are teens.So ofc they will catter to them.DQ favours casual players aka teens.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Just some friendly poking.

The thing about that is people have a really hard to impossible time identifying intentions of a player they don't know solely through text. You can't hear the inflections of their voice or see the emotions on their face; a simple "Nice job" can be interpreted as either a compliment or a passive-aggressive insult. It is very important to realize this when communicating through text with strangers, because it's a lot different from trash talking someone on the field, especially if you know them.

.These 'statistics' and infographs are not cohort and are based on the number of reports, being filedwhich is by definition rigged,since as i stated you can get reported for anything

Could you elaborate what is rigged and how you think it affects you? You can get reported for anything, yes; you can not get punished for just anything. The entire system is designed around weeding out false reports, and it's especially difficult for a false positive to harm you because it takes many games of negative behavior to get punished in most cases.

Grivendal1 votes

No,my intentions are very clear.Again,i am not saying 'f*** you'.I am saying things like 'get on my level' when for example,they lag.It's funny cause i am being sarcastic about MYself,as it didnt actually require any skill to kill them.Or i say hehe after a kill. These little things.

I am saying rigged,because if lets say 1mill play the game and 100k report someone.The other 900k cannot properly voice their opinion on what is or isnt toxic.

But you keep evading my statements about trash talking being an important factor in competitice gameplay.

Kei1432 votes

ehh.. what you consider OK doesn't mean most consider it OK.

Granted you can make an arguement here of what is OK or not and people should grow a pair. But it doesn't change the fact most people don't want to deal with trash talking, especially after a hard days of work.

Now if you may, logs or it didn't happen. Else continue with your attitude and we'll be waiting to hear from your permaban complaining post.

Grivendal1 votes

Logs are gone cause the chat restriction was lifted.If you dont believe me you have no reason to write in this discussion.And this passive agressive -'we'll be waiting to hear from your perma...' -talk,it's excactly what i am talking about.So i guess we will ride the skies together AurelionSol

Kei1432 votes

of course i'm passive aggressive and I know it dam well.

I also encourage people to take Riot to court cos their free speech got violated and got permaed.

Eitherway, my point still stands. If you don't change your attitudes you'll get permaed eventually.

Grivendal1 votes

Firstly my eyes are violated from you excellent use of the english language hehe xD Secondly,i won't get perma,because as i said i am never toxic to the point where i curse or bluntly call people out.I am just having fun with it.Plus,my account is pretty 'clear'.This was my first chat restriction.

Destíny1 votes

Been playing league since beta. Never been chat restricted once.

AraMoOse3 votes

6 years, 3 accounts, never been chat restricted. So no, we haven't "all been there". Like MrPharmD, I think it would be more productive for you to post your chat logs. Anybody can claim they haven't done anything wrong.

In the game where you got harassed, you could have simply muted them and reported them. That way it would be them showing up on the boards and making excuses and hiding behind "being competitive", not you.

Grivendal1 votes

The sentence:'You've all been there refers to a 'hard' day at work..I dont post the chat logs becausei got chat restricted for 10 games.The chat restriction is lifted.If you dont believe then there is not reason to participate in the discussion.I am not looking for compensation and i could care less about some chat restriction.I just point out my experience. Thanks.

Jetjoe1 votes

Ignore this guy, hes been playing for 6 years and hes still bronze. Riots false percentage of x% of player are never punished is false, and even if the number is close its largely due to a huge number of accounts that are opened and sit there at the level 1-10 stages because so many people get bored before they reach level 30.

Grivendal1 votes

Yup excactly.Also you have to consider that the amount of people reporting is not big.Many people get away with using racial slurs,just spamming curse words,even ddos coughmet....cough,because no one reports them.

Sona Ping3 votes

Competitiveness and trash talk is a major component in any sport

False; Professional level players in traditional sports are and have been fined and suspended for trash talk, which is a violation of the established rules.

Saying things like :'u mad bro?' etc.I guess even THAT is not appropriate.

No. Shitty memes are never appropriate.

Especially the unfunny, idiotic ones used primarily by 12 year olds.

Grivendal1 votes

False; Professional level players in traditional sports are and have been fined and suspended for trash talk, which is a violation of the established rules.

Nope.How dare you say that so close to Muhamed Ali's death :P LeeSin

Firu3 votes

Most players in League have not been chat restricted. Punished players represent a small percentage of the player base.

Fligmeyer3 votes

The best action to take against anyone trying to be mean is just report them for negative attitude and attemping to abuse the reporting system. If they get mad and try to instigate a fight tell them that you believe in them and that they should believe in you too. Go to there lane and help them get a kill or even bite the bullet to let them get out of a fight alive. There's a lot of toxic players like this and usually the higher the rank or mmr the worse they are. They have that "do it my way or get reported" attitude. Or the "All the gold and kills are mine, but i don't have to help teammates" attitude. It sounds to me like they should have been ganking bot lane for you to help you out, but just refused to help you.

Once they see they can't get a rise out of you and you clearly are more dedicated to team work than any of them riot will take that into consideration. I've gotten many toxic players who thought they can blame others for a game going bad in trouble.

I'm not saying riot doesn't make mistakes when it comes to banning because they did a lot in the past. It's what they call white knighting. A team doesn't agree with the champion you picked for your lane or the items you build even though your doing very well and they all report you as a group in an attempt to grief your account out of spite. They'll also not help you purposely to get you killed and attempt to get a intentional feeding report on you.

People are petty crybabies. Even the high rank and mmr adults who play. As long as you don't stoop to there level with your gameplay and chat then there the ones who most likely get in trouble when you counter report. I've seen games turned around just by being super nice to griefers. There whole attitude will change mid game because they they wanna get on your good side before the report is put in in hopes that you change your mind. I often don't report people who I say I will, but use it as a way to get them to focus on the game more so they realize they've been acting like a child.

Grivendal1 votes

I'm not saying riot doesn't make mistakes when it comes to banning because they did a lot in the past. It's what they call white knighting. A team doesn't agree with the champion you picked for your lane or the items you build even though your doing very well and they all report you as a group in an attempt to grief your account out of spite. They'll also not help you purposely to get you killed and attempt to get a intentional feeding report on you.

That is EXCACTLY what i wanted to say.Thanks!

Fligmeyer1 votes

I know your pain. Seen this happen since this game came out. The community only got worse. It will get worse as you get your mmr and rank higher so just take the steps I mentioned above and you'll be ok.

It's a sad thing, but the gold, plat, and diamond players most of the time are worse than some bronzes I've played with and have seen play. They have the kind of attitude that I mentioned in my previous reply and are extremely toxic. Unfortunately these are the people the new players look up to when it comes to guidelines for game play. That's why people aren't skilled enough to diversify champions, items, and roles in game and have these petty attitudes.

As long as you believe in yourself and try your best your always a winner! no matter who your playing, what role/play style, or what item build your trying.

Actually since I'm on this topic I just went 4/13/21 as ad roaming Ali and was responsible for half of our kills or more and got called a troll at the end. My teammates had about the same amount of deaths and I had the most assists and was able to 1v1 anyone on enemy team who got caught out.

If you ask me that's not trolling at all, but once again these people think because there not good enough to accomplish it and the so called "professionals" aren't either that it's trolling.

disregardable2 votes

You don't get chat restrictions for swearing, you get them for bothering/harassing/insulting/mocking other people. Be respectful and you won't get another one.

Also, e-sports players are held to the same or higher standards than the general playerbase. You BM, you trash talk your team, you get banned from playing. RIP your job.

MrPharmD1 votes

Without posting your chat logs, we can't really have a discussion about your chat. It's easy to claim that you really didn't do anything wrong without chat logs.

I've done A LOT of trash talking, but I haven't got any punishments for it. So it's a little hard for me to believe that you did for doing the same thing. My guess is that there is more to the story.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

If you don't want people to not believe you don't post on the boards without evidence

Grivendal1 votes

What?

o Maui o1 votes

Ahh, the elusive quadruple negative.

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