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Would like a (riot) human to review this chat log.

Bearsby··1 votes·1,588 views

Here is what got me permabanned. History: I was getting too negative, had a 2 week suspension a couple months ago. It sucked, I said I couldn't play again with this toxic community. I stayed away then came back. Didn't tell people off or curse them out for legit troublemaking, just reported them. So here I am, one team didn't like me. I remained positive and tried to win regardless, even while getting cursed out (you don't see that). I adapted as best I could, even though I knew it was going to be a horrible loss. Here is the log:

Game 1 Bearsby: its fine ill just roam Bearsby: i thought we would get an easy kill but you didnt want it Bearsby: sigh ill just stop trying to gank Bearsby: thought i was sup Bearsby: no sorry bot is too fed Bearsby: you had your chance to play with me, i set up 3 kills so far this game and instead you ran off and let me die Bearsby: thank you amumu Bearsby: people who try their best should be permabanned while trolls like you guys should be paid to play Bearsby: ive seen no teamwork this game, so im helping the team by no longer making plays Bearsby: ya know, nxt time you want to duo your premade Bearsby: plz call the lane Bearsby: dont start trouble by telling the guy who called sup Bearsby: that hes getting reported for playing his call Bearsby: im doing my best, but it seems like you all just want to blame me for your own troublemaking Bearsby: i wanted to support Bearsby: but you said ill report you if you support Bearsby: ok, so ill roam Bearsby: then no, bard, dont support cuz you feed Bearsby: sorry guys, i did my best. i cant win a game solo Bearsby: ?????? Bearsby: dude wow Bearsby: troll? Bearsby: i called my lane Bearsby: you are the trolls Bearsby: i called before you even entered the room Bearsby: check the time stampes Bearsby: ok ya know, i did nothing wrong this game, and im tired of trying to explain how you guys dont use my stuns Bearsby: ignoring all. sorry you had a bad game, but nxt time, play with your teammates when you dont see their call Bearsby: rather than troll and feed hard Bearsby: 2 sup could win, trolling and berating me made it a certain loss Bearsby: i would get 1 shot by olaf im pure mana regen Bearsby: sion could have too Bearsby: but after tower was lost and bot was fed Bearsby: yasuo, could you use any worse language or insult me more Bearsby: i mean, you are just being rude Bearsby: you should apologize Bearsby: so did i Bearsby: and i could have, if you didnt ruin it Bearsby: not sion not kalitsa Bearsby: not all the feeding Bearsby: your terrible attitude Bearsby: i made stuns Bearsby: you ran away Bearsby: you trolled because you didnt like my pick Bearsby: its called roaming

So this was described as "extremely offensive". Point 2: I thought all permabans were to be reviewed by humans, and only the most "egregious" offenders would be permabanned. And I like how they say only "0.006% of players are permabanned." I mean, really? First of all, its probably 5% of ACTIVE players per month if this is permabannable. Second. Do these people I constantly report for afking (50% of my games have afkers on one side) never get banned? To me, that is more toxic than anything. I can ignore someone cursing me out, but I can't control their inactive champion. I think this needs a human audit. If this is really permabannable, then I guess I am incapable of proper chatting...Though I thought permanent chat bans were the solution to people deemed to be that offensive with the chat. Hey if any non-rioters want to respond too, that's cool. TBH I don't expect any official response. They promised to monitor the automated banning system, but it is clear they are not. The settings are clearly set to "Preschool or bust".

21 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

Punishments are given out in 4 intervals: 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction, 14 day ban, permanent ban.

The old method of continuous chat restrictions did nothing to stop toxicity, so they changed it. You have 4 strikes, then you're out of here.

-_-

AvantelWings

Dominick Destine3 votes

I suspect you are not giving us the full information.

Anyway that particular chat log seems very passive aggressive and stand-offish... hostile even. Maybe that game by itself is not perma-ban worthy but a long history of toxicity adds up and leads to an inevitable perma-ban.

franticFurball3 votes

Oh, I have no doubt that he gives us the full information. I have seen chatlogs like this one before.

He already received 3 punishments prior to that. What this looks to me like is a player, who instead of cursing and flaming his teammates, switched tactics to prolonged arguments which he believes to be non-toxic, or at least not punishable. However, he overlooks that he...

Calls others trolls/feeders:

Bearsby: then no, bard, dont support cuz you feed ... Bearsby: you are the trolls ... Bearsby: you trolled because you didnt like my pick

...is passive-agressive:

Bearsby: sigh ill just stop trying to gank ... Bearsby: ive seen no teamwork this game, so im helping the team by no longer making plays ... Bearsby: im doing my best, but it seems like you all just want to blame me for your own troublemaking

...and uses tribunal terminology to make the impression upon others, that someone else is toxic:

Bearsby: your terrible attitude

All in all, the punishment is perfectly deserved. He was on his last chance.

Bearsby1 votes

I have to say: I can see your point of view. That is, I can understand what type of person you are, and you are the type of person Riot is catering to. You are one of the overly sensitive, easily offended people in the world who cry foul and need to file a lawsuit when someone looks at them sideways. You are one of the people that can't survive in the real world. I guess you are also the type of person who spends the most money, so I guess that's business!

I, on the other hand, am a gamer. I am passionate about my hobby to the point where I argue about things. I play other games, and argue about the best builds there. I even argue about the best computer components with my RL friends. I even argue with my friends in LoL (or I used to!). I call it like I see it.

Actually, you made me feel better, thank you. If I can't tell someone who is trolling me, that hey, you are trolling me...that's seriously messed up. I can't play a game like that. I would have been banned after spending more money, than before. Clearly, despite the fact that I loved this game, I loved what it used to be: competitive. Not prissy sissy hugs and kisses competitive, oh GJ sport for losing, you are the real winner! (but I can't be proud of winning or I might be banned, sorry Riot!) but the kind of competitive that real people are. Someone commented that if the pros were subjected to these rules that got me banned, you wouldn't have any pros!

Yes, I agree people who curse others out egregiously, afk or run at towers should be banned (but they never are) I don't consider a 1 in 100 game argument to warrant punishment at all, much less permaban. (that's at least how many games between strike 3 and 4) I don't agree with it. If you do, great, this is now the game for you.

Sorry, was this passive aggressive?

Don't get it twisted, the community is even more toxic than it used to be.

Best Darius KR3 votes

Literally everything you said here was ban worthy from start to finish.

This is the definition of passive agressive language, and that is not acceptable in-game. Those are Riot's rules. Deal with it.

Oh, and i'm glad Riot's system is working atleast. Makes me feel a little better.

EvilDustMan2 votes

{quoted}

I have to say: I can see your point of view. That is, I can understand what type of person you are, and you are the type of person Riot is catering to. You are one of the overly sensitive, easily offended people in the world who cry foul and need to file a lawsuit when someone looks at them sideways. You are one of the people that can't survive in the real world. I guess you are also the type of person who spends the most money, so I guess that's business!

I, on the other hand, am a gamer. I am passionate about my hobby to the point where I argue about things. I play other games, and argue about the best builds there. I even argue about the best computer components with my RL friends. I even argue with my friends in LoL (or I used to!). I call it like I see it.

Actually, you made me feel better, thank you. If I can't tell someone who is trolling me, that hey, you are trolling me...that's seriously messed up. I can't play a game like that. I would have been banned after spending more money, than before. Clearly, despite the fact that I loved this game, I loved what it used to be: competitive. Not prissy sissy hugs and kisses competitive, oh GJ sport for losing, you are the real winner! (but I can't be proud of winning or I might be banned, sorry Riot!) but the kind of competitive that real people are. Someone commented that if the pros were subjected to these rules that got me banned, you wouldn't have any pros!

Yes, I agree people who curse others out egregiously, afk or run at towers should be banned (but they never are) I don't consider a 1 in 100 game argument to warrant punishment at all, much less permaban. (that's at least how many games between strike 3 and 4) I don't agree with it. If you do, great, this is now the game for you.

Sorry, was this passive aggressive?

Don't get it twisted, the community is even more toxic than it used to be.

Been gaming for 23 years. Yes, you deserved to get punished. Keep that pass-aggressive attitude to yourself and play.

Kei1431 votes

{quoted}

Sorry, was this passive aggressive?

Don't get it twisted, the community is even more toxic than it used to be.

That is, indeed, a clear example of passive aggressive attitude.

Now keep in mind a few things.

  1. You were on your last punishment tier, so you were supposed to tread carefully
  2. Maybe it doesn't show in your emails (limited due to length allowed in emails), but it doesn't mean this was the only game that you did this. To get punished, you'd still need to have a history of it, which you have shown in this thread.
franticFurball1 votes

You are one of the people that can't survive in the real world. I guess you are also the type of person who spends the most money

Thats contradictory, because the fact that I have disposable income to spend on shiny things in a computer game, pretty much proves that I not only survive, but actually thrive in the real world...aka. I make money and live happily ;-)

In the real world, if you curse at someone, belittle him, or are passive aggressive all the time, and refuse to change that, what happens is: People will stop interacting with you.

That can be relationships ending, friends no longer talking to someone, sports teams kicking annoying players from their rosters, or a human ressources manager telling the guy who never listens, to clear his desk and have security escort them off premises.

Even though players punished by the tribunal often bring this "argument", its simply not true. "The real world" doesn't allow flame, on the contrary, the consequences are even more severe.

I, on the other hand, am a gamer.

So am I, and I hate to bring ranks into this but: It seems my way works a lot better. But hey, don't take it from a lowly gold like me. Ask professional players, ask Diamond streamers. They will all tell you one thing: If you want to be good at the game, you cannot get upset about it, because the moment you do that, your plays get worse.

I loved what it used to be: competitive.

Its still competitive, and always has been. Insulting and belitteling others doesn't make you competitive however.

Bearsby1 votes

Actually, all those were me referring to myself, what they were saying about me:) Insulting yourself is bannable! Careful!

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

If you think your ban was an error, submit a Support Ticket and explain to them why you think it was (such as the system mistaken insults to yourself as insults to other players).

Bearsby1 votes

If it's a flaw in the system, how many other people are going through this? It is clearly no longer monitored, and the bar has slipped lower and lower. There's being trollish, then there's being purely toxic. I mean, maybe I am completely insane, but like, I do not think a majority of the community would permaban over my chat log. Screw how the system is currently functioning. I think the VAST majority of players would agree that permabans should be hand reviewed and only the most egregious, the guys who are only out to ruin games, should be permabanned. And TBH people are people, and a business is a business. Closing someone's account and making them lose all their stuff from a simple chat log is bad business. You told the customer their money is no good. They are betting that I am driving away paying customers because of that chat log. If I am, like I said above, this isn't the game for me anymore. It's gone to preschool. Next it won't be Attack Damage, but Hug Skill.

Oh wait, I am being passive aggressive again because I spoke the truth? Better ban my forum account too!

Eros51 votes

From previous points stated this is by far the most helpful and you are typing a whole paragraph explaining its flaws? They cannot please everyone. Who can? You have had many warnings before, even if it is auto ban after 4 strikes you should not review the system but understand it to better yourself to play better.

Randomonium1 votes

I'm pretty confused how this argument over who was support started in the first place. Was this a blind pick game or something? Overall I think you need to give more info on what happened in champion select because I think that really set the stage for everything else that happened.

Bearsby1 votes

It was blind pick, which I preferred due to faster queue times. Nobody calls lanes, or doesn't hear calls because of the way chat loads. So I pick support. But our top went support instead, and had a problem when I went bot. They cursed me out so I left lane to roam, I wasn't about to solo top lvl 1 vs olaf lvl 5. So this was clearly a toxic thing to do. I get reported for it ALL the time. Despite the fact there's nothing in the rules that says you have to lane a certain way, as long as you try to win, people consider majority rules and if you are told to go top by 4 people, that means you do, or you get banned. Passive-aggressive people are generally responding to aggressive behavior, just fyi. If all these superior attitudes about how you aren't getting banned were used in game, you know YOU wouldn't be banned. Maybe because you play with 5 man premades all day? I don't have time to do that. Let me tell you how it is in the world of the solo queue. And NO exaggeration. 50% of the games, an AFKer/leaver in the game. 90% of those games the AFKER/leaver is on MY side. 25% of the games someone starts cursing me out because I am too aggressive with my plays/doesn't like my build. AP ashe usually gets me reports. I tell them I do my best, and if they keep it up, I am going to report them for being toxic. (me telling them they are toxic makes me toxic, remember? so i get reported, and they don't get punished, because clearly I am the problem, I have 8 yrs of chat logs against me, remember?) 25% of the games I win, just purely because there is nobody toxic on the team. I never lose because of misplays or are outskilled. I would be pro easily if I wanted this to be my job. People throw gold or whatever at me. Dude, ranked is like normals, but when people lose, they go ballistic. If you build something other than what the last pro player to play your character did, then you are a troll. That's why I don't rank, don't get it twisted. I could easily and without much effort top the charts in any category. So, I get reported in 25% of games. I must. I also report the AFKERS and the ones who curse out others. How many people have I seen punished? 2. Out of all the people that even tell me they are going to kill me, 2. Total. Ever. So you are telling me, defending myself and others when there are people threatening reports calling me names etc is passive aggressive, which is WORSE than actually ruining the game? OK. This is literally the ONLY game out there that will do this. And the people who cause the problems are NEVER punished in any way. So the perfect LoL player is a foul-mouthed douche who ragequits and AFKs all the time, and threatens the life of anyone he likes. I know some people IRL that when I told them about my ban, say they act like THAT, and NEVER had even a warning, and are appalled that I was banned. They said it must be some mistake. I told them they don't care about racism and all that anymore, they are targetting good people. True Americans. Because, FYI, this company is owned by the Chinese Government. When did this change take place? When they started banning people for being "passive aggressive"- no definition or example provided about this, its subjective, and processed by an unthinking and unfeeling computer. (not an AI) without auditing or oversight. My 2 cents: they don't want people who stand up for themselves. They want people who are rude, insulting, inflammatory or disgusting, and people who ruin games by afking/leaving/ragequitting, because these are not considered "bad" behaviors. Think about that. These behaviors draw crowds. I had played this game since beta. I have been suspended twice, because of cursing people out myself. I changed that behavior. Since my last suspension, I had not gotten more honors ever in my time with this game. I call one team out on their bad behavior, and that makes ME the bad guy, and they go unpunished...because that's not considered bad behavior in this game anymore? ONE report, and this was an instant ban. Literally, the guy said, his teammates went off to go eat, but he was taking the time to report me, and word it so I get banned instantly. AND I DID! People like this are not playing the game of LoL anymore, they find it more fun to cause problems in game, have people react, apparantly even just defending themselves in a nonviolent, nonvulgar way, and then having them get banned. This of course comes at the cost of people losing their accounts, and theres nothing anyone can do about it with the system in place as it is, with ZERO human oversight. Your social interactions are now judged on a VERY subjective descriptor as "passive-aggressive" by a computer. There is NO oversight, no audits, and it CANNOT be reversed. The chat log as a whole is NOT analyzed, everything is taken out of context. Despite the fact someone may have told you to "eat an aids dick" and you tell him to "stfu thats disgusting, I'm muting and reporting you", YOU get banned because that looks passive-aggressive in a bubble. Can I do anything about my ban? Nope. Can I hope to teach people the ONLY thing that will save your account? yes. NEVER TYPE IN THIS GAME AGAIN! It really is your only hope. I'm hoping to bring media attention to this system. Since the company is no longer based in America, they aren't subjected to our laws anymore, but the Chinese laws...which say "Fuck Americans". Anyone who plays this game in its current state is supporting Communist China. I'm going to go find an American alternative to spend my money. And a final thought... Wonder if I can get banned from the chat boards too? I'm sure there are a couple people who have been posting in this thread that can make it happen, since they are perfectly behaved players and would never troll someone.

Randomonium1 votes

I feel like this post had a lot of anger directed at me for no reason. All I asked you for a bit more background information on the case and your response is that I have no idea what solo queue is like (even though 95% of my games are solo queue) and that I'm supporting Communist China by playing this game (which I find pretty offensive because I'm active duty military.)

And I'm sorry but things like AP Ashe are trolling. Literally the only thing in Ashe's kit that scales with AP is her ultimate so you are pretty much guaranteeing you will be useless to your team. If you want to try out very "off-meta" strategies you should really talk to your team first about it. That's the courteous thing to do. If I want to do something a little weird like go rageblade on an ADC or something I'll usually mention it to the team in champ select and why I think it would be good. 9 times out of 10 people don't have a problem with it when I do that. Yes you should have fun with this game but you should also follow the Summoner's Code, be courteous to others, and not have fun at other peoples' expense.

To your point of you "could easily and without much effort top the charts in any category." Sorry but you couldn't. You are like the 40 year old fat dad sitting on the couch saying he could have been a better quarterback than Payton Manning. No he couldn't. If he could, he would have. Talk is cheap. All that matters is action. So don't make comments that you are a god at this game unless you are willing to back them up. All it does is undermine anything else you have to say.

On to the report/ban system. Yes some aspects of the banning system are automated but all permanent bans are reviewed by Riot employees. If you disagree with that ban you can submit a support ticket and ANOTHER Riot employee will look at the case for you. People aren't just getting banned by some AI judge and jury. Overall you seem very uneducated on how the report/ban system works in League and I highly recommend you do some more research and read the Terms of Use before you make completely false statements.

Chinese laws don't say "Fuck Americans." Do you realize how ignorant that makes you sound? Overall this entire post is just one long rant that makes wild accusations with absolutely zero evidence. If this is how you act in game as well then I can really understand why you got banned.

Good luck in whatever "American" game you decide to play next. Please let me know what game you find that isn't in any way owned by a Chinese company because pretty much all the major ones are. It is a global economy after all.

FrankerX1 votes

i remember a post where someone got banned for flaming katarina. but he was the katarina. riot made the 14day bann to a 48h ban (remember this was BEFORE the system we have right now) and told him that he didnt offend any players, but he still talked AAAAA DAMN LOT negative stuff in chat and that it can annoy other players.

MasterSomething1 votes

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IDi0pJD1DLw/VHJ_zaceN9I/AAAAAAAAEZ4/UDNwlW1qjBc/s300/Banhammer.gif You deserve this as well, mate: http://www.auplod.com/u/dplauo75eb3.gif

Maniaco021 votes

I just wanna say: lol. It seems this community is unable to just mute someone they dislike. Instead they have to act like little pricks and make those people lose years of work and real money. Defending those butthurt people is ridiculous, this isn't a 8-16years old game. A vast majority of the player base is older than that and if they keep defending trolls they will lose a lot.

Dominick Destine1 votes

What the community does is completely independent from Riot's rules.

Good try though.

MasterSomething1 votes
  1. Riot Lyte has stated that if you have to use the mute button, the damage has been done.
  2. No one likes an annoying jerk yelling at them all game. I can ignore the guy, but everyone is different.
  3. No adult I know acts like a loudmouth asshole who tells people to get cancer.

Don't kid yourself, man.

franticFurball1 votes

I am almost 30 years old.

I don't want to play with annoying people. If I have to mute someone, I don't want that guy to be in my games again.

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