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Shosha··4 votes·1,230 views

In wake of Tyler1 being banned and such a backlash from the community, I will try once more to get this idea broadcasted.

  • One, All accounts that were perma banned for being toxic, unbanned. Because we all spent money on that account, just because we say rude things doesn't mean our account deserves to be taken away.
  • Two, Every account that has been unban can no longer use chat, now people will say "That means they can't communicate blah blah blah!!!" Well if they were so toxic to be perma banned CLEARLY they won't be putting up timers and cd's and what not in chat, and anything out side of that can be smart pinged.
  • Three, when you mute someone it also mutes their pings from being heard by you or seen, because more often then not, when you stop replying to them they know you muted them and start spamming pings
  • Four, you can no longer be perma banned for being toxic. It's not like we are cheating, or exploiting, or hacking the system, we didn't break the game, people will argue that BS thing of "Toxic people lose 20% more of their games!!" And where is the proof? Last time I check Tyler1 was winning a ton, and uh, clearly he was toxic. (Edit: People clearly think I mean let them run wild, I don't their account stays, chat goes, if they are proven to be toxic, then they can't use chat anymore.)
  • Finally, Riot has to start working on a system that fairly punishes trolls and afks, they have so much time to dump into making skins, why not dump that time into something useful, like creating a new system to accurately find ints and afks.

I beg that people hear me out on this, and just think before posting. Please, but do comment, and try and grab a Red's attention so I can have a talk with them.

40 Comments

MasterSomething10 votes

One, All accounts that were perma banned for being toxic, unbanned. Because we all spent money on that account, just because we say rude things doesn't mean our account deserves to be taken away.

You do not own your account, so nothing is being taken away. Just because you spent money you are not exempt from the rules.

Two, Every account that has been unban can no longer use chat, now people will say "That means they can't communicate blah blah blah!!!" Well if they were so toxic to be perma banned CLEARLY they won't be putting up timers and cd's and what not in chat, and anything out side of that can be smart pinged.

No, because when the team they have is not performing to their standards, they will turn to trolling to get back at them.

Three, when you mute someone it also mutes their pings from being heard by you or seen, because more often then not, when you stop replying to them they know you muted them and start spamming pings

So worsen the communication cut you get from someone and punish people who /muteall?

Four, you can no longer be perma banned for being toxic. It's not like we are cheating, or exploiting, or hacking the system, we didn't break the game, people will argue that BS thing of "Toxic people lose 20% more of their games!!" And where is the proof? Last time I check Tyler1 was winning a ton, and uh, clearly he was toxic.

No, you aren't hacking the game. You are ruining morale. Telling someone to go kill themselves, you do NOT KNOW whether that person has depression and could be on the brink of actually doing it. Also, limiting your statistic to one person is bias. tyler1 may be the poster boy for toxicity, but we cannot go off him alone.

Finally, Riot has to start working on a system that fairly punishes trolls and afks, they have so much time to dump into making skins, why not dump that time into something useful, like creating a new system to accurately find ints and afks.

There are already systems in place. Thing is, trolling is so diverse, easy to mix up with bad playing, and hard as hell to catch, and most players know when they get caught there is no point in squirming, the rate at which we find these bans being reported to the boards are few and far apart. Doesn't represent the actual number, as I'm sure thousands of trolls have been caught. Also, making skins and player behavior are run by two different teams. They both have different areas of expertise, thus are hired to different teams. One team typically has no influence on the other.

This is all flawed.

Shosha1 votes

Did I say I told anyone to kill themselves? I never have, okay, doesn't matter, you can mute them. LMAO. I hate people like you.

MasterSomething4 votes

Doesn't matter what you did. It was an example. Also, you can "mute them" after it has been said. You can't possibly predict he will say that unless he's been saying it to everyone else. By the time someone else mutes a person, usually the damage has already been done. The mute button is not a fix to toxicity, it's merely a band-aid to prevent it from getting worse.

I don't give two shits whether you hate me or not. It's just pathetic to see someone think toxicity should go unpunished.

Shosha1 votes

There is no damage that has been done, it doesn't do damage, there is NO proof at ALL that toxic people lose less games. Like literally none, Riot can spout and number they want, and all the unbelievably stupid Riot fanboys would be like yes yes, good number. The mute button is what stop you from hearing what you don't want to hear, if you are going to use the mute button use it suck it up, play the game and go to the next, no reporting, why? Because, you muted him TA DA, and guess what, if you do /muteall LE GASP you NEVER have to deal with a toxic person again. I never said toxicity should go unpunished, last time I checked, if their chat was taken away, that's a punishment, and they can't be toxic anymore, and then if the resort to inting after they get their chat taken away, then they can eat that tasty perma ban you so desire.

AeroWaffle3 votes

If you are pissed off at another teammate because they started insulting you, guess what, your motivation to help them is likely to drop. Your own teammate. That's likely to drop your chances of winning right there.

And if you mute your entire team at the start, LE GASP, you can NEVER see any useful team messages for the entire game! That can't be good for your chances of victory.

MasterSomething1 votes

There is no damage that has been done, it doesn't do damage,

You do not decide when someone gets offended or not.

there is NO proof at ALL that toxic people lose less games.

Other than the statistics that show up during loading screens?

Like literally none, Riot can spout and number they want, and all the unbelievably stupid Riot fanboys would be like yes yes, good number.

So the statistics they show are false? Alright, show us your proof of this.

The mute button is what stop you from hearing what you don't want to hear, if you are going to use the mute button use it suck it up, play the game and go to the next, no reporting, why? Because, you muted him TA DA, and guess what, if you do /muteall LE GASP you NEVER have to deal with a toxic person again.

Yea, then someone else has to deal with his shit. I'd rather not let a person be a problem for everyone, so even if I mute them I'm going to report them so no one else has to do it. Also, /muteall puts you at a severe strategic advantage.

I never said toxicity should go unpunished, last time I checked, if their chat was taken away, that's a punishment,

Yes, but you said to revoke their previous punishment. That's undoing something that was supposed to cause them major damage- enough so they realized "oh, I fucked up".

and they can't be toxic anymore, and then if the resort to inting after they get their chat taken away, then they can eat that tasty perma ban you so desire.

They can still be toxic through trolling. Also, do you know how hard it is to detect inting? Trolling, as I've said, is massively diverse, and feeding should not be mixed up with a really shitty game. It's really sad that you think you can win this argument. You sound really bigoted and are basing arguments with the grounds that "you hate Riot". And before you say "I never said this" it's quite clear you do from the very aggressive tone you have in your arguments.

AeroWaffle6 votes

One, All accounts that were perma banned for being toxic, unbanned. Because we all spent money on that account, just because we say rude things doesn't mean our account deserves to be taken away.

Yes. Yes it does. Riot has set behavior standards. You failed to follow those standards so they blocked you from accessing their content with that account.

Shosha1 votes

Riot set's behavior standards and then doesn't look when Pro players violate them cough motherfucking cough Meteos. Meteos is lowkey just as toxic as Tyler1 every time I go on to his stream he is shit talking his mods his team mates or just being a douche over all. Their standards are about as useful as a wet paperbag, they look the other way in concern of Pro players but anyone not pro is fucked.

AeroWaffle5 votes

If you're in his game and he's shit-talking in chat, you can report him.

Shit-talking on stream? That's Twitch.tv (or whatever streaming site). That is not inside league of legends. You can't expect Riot to police behavior that's not even inside the game. Tyler? He showed his poor behavior in game. If he kept it to just the stream he would have been fine.

Pro-players are held to the same standards as everyone else, if not more strict. Reported enough times with bad behavior to back it up? They get banned as well. Pro-players have even been banned from tournaments for a period of time (as well as had their accounts banned). That's their source of income.

If you want to complain about someone's behavior on stream (what they are saying, not what they are typing), you complain to Twitch.tv, or better yet, you stop watching. It's your own damn choice to watch a stream. It's not the choice of your teammates to be stuck in a game with an asshole.

Shosha1 votes

Too bad, that on his stream, in games he wasn't even being toxic in, Riot was banning his accounts, there were accounts he was trying to reform on, and they were still getting banned, accounts he hadn't played on in weeks, logs on, plays a game, wasn't toxic, gets banned. Pretty sure Riot checks streams, and last time I checked. Meteos raged in game and got reported and riot did nothing about it.

AeroWaffle3 votes

Tyler not only was raging in game on accounts, but he bought accounts and int. fed on some as well.

Buying accounts is an immediate perma-ban. Not only for the bought account, but any account associated with the person. I would place Intentionally feeding as something worse than verbal abuse (but harder to prove).

And really? Trying to reform? The dude had double digit perma-bans. Riot wanted him GONE. He had plenty of times to give the impression that he would behave. He let them all slip by. Far too late now.

Shosha1 votes

He bought like three accounts they rest were leveled by him. I don't know where you got your facts. If INT feeding is worse then verbal abuse why has Riot not tried harder to crack down on it?

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Why do you say that so casually? Like everyone is buying tons of account but this guy with his almost godlike restraint only bought 3.

Whether or not anyone considers intentional feeding worse doesn't really matter. The point is that you are saying other people should be banned because they are also toxic. Well tyler1's ban was for way more than just being toxic.

If you think you meteos or whoever needs to be banned, then present w/e evidence you have of that. If anyone deserves to be banned or not has nothing to do with tyler1.

AeroWaffle3 votes

Because, like I said in my post, it's harder to prove.

Intentional feeding, when it's not blatant, is indistinguishable from just a really poor game. Riot never wants to ban someone for playing a poor game. This, unfortunately, allows some intentional feeders to slip through the system.

Tyler made his intentions clear whenever he intentionally fed.

Kanzler1 votes

But isn't it still your choice to not mute them? While I don't agree with OP, you can't pretend that you have 0 power against seeing toxic stuff in chat.

AeroWaffle1 votes

You make it sound like people are precognitive. Once I mute someone, they've already made the game un-enjoyable.

And take the following situation;

Someone starts being a jerk in chat. At this point, I don't really want to bother reading any more harassment from this player, so I consider muting the ass. However, muting the player guarantees that I would miss any sort of teamwork related chat that might come from them (even if it's unlikely).

So now I'm in a shitty situation. I am either forced to deal with an ass in chat for the sake of the team, just in case they have something relevant to say. Or I mute the other player, handicapping my team.

Kanzler1 votes

So you're saying people on the stream are precognizant? Seems to me that both are reactionary in your example.

The disadvantage of missing possible useful chat from the guy is irrelevant compared to the disadvantage caused by him raging at people and bringing down morale. It would be a bet benefit to mute and continue with a neutral attitude.

As such, the point the OP might be referring to is that you can't do anything about trolls in your game, but you're in full control of seeing toxic chat. He is complaining that the controllable one is punished far more frequently than the uncontrollable situation.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

  1. You spent money on Riot's merchandise, not a "Ban-Immunity" account status. Money is totally irrelevant when it comes to punishments.

  2. People were toxic so that they WANT the others to hear him say it just to make them feel bad. If they were perma-chat, they'll use Intentional Feeding as their last resort to attract attention instead.

  3. Pings are technically their last solution in assisting the team, should they ever being muted. But if they were spamming it, you can either bear with it & report later, or just lower the Ping volume in the Sound menu.

  4. So you want every game to have the air filled with nothing but cursed/swearing words accompanied with possible AD Hominems & sexual references yada yada yada.........how bout no?

  5. There were already cases of people who were trolling/afk were punished, just that toxicity has a higher rate than them.

Shosha1 votes

  1. Everyone spent money on their account, that content, then either A they should get their money back, or B they get their content on another account, or C suck it up like EVERY other game in the WORLD and not ban people permanently for things they say in chat on a game on the internet.

  2. No, that's not how toxicity works, in my case, and about every other "toxic persons" case, its them being bashed, or someone says something to then and they try to defend themselves and get banned, or, they say simple shit like "You're bad" "You suck" "That was terrible you should've" Do you want me to start holding everyones hands and say "Well, that was a good try! You'll get em next time!!!" When they flash into the enemy team as yasuo trying to get the highlight clip of a 5 man ult penta in my promos?

  3. If they are going to be spamming pings then they aren't going to be trying to communicate.

  4. If you are being toxic you get your chat taken away? Duh? I literally said "Anyone being toxic gets their chat taken away, IE they can never type again.

  5. Not enough, no where near enough, I get atleast 10x more afks ints or trolls then I get toxic people, and when I find a toxic person, I mute them and move on, I rarely report them unless they say something like "Kill yourself" Or "Get cancer" Or "I hope you family dies."

MasterSomething1 votes

Everyone spent money on their account, that content, then either A they should get their money back, or B they get their content on another account, or C suck it up like EVERY other game in the WORLD and not ban people permanently for things they say in chat on a game on the internet.

No, you spent the right to add content to an account you do not own. Once you pay for RP, just like any other purchase, that money is gone. You don't own your account, you are merely reserving it. Also, I'd like to see one game that has not permanently banned people for yelling at people to go "kys u cancer fgs".

No, that's not how toxicity works, in my case,

We're already of to a biased start.

and about every other "toxic persons" case, its them being bashed, or someone says something to then and they try to defend themselves and get banned

Yes, because insulting the other person greatly is defending oneself.

they say simple shit like "You're bad" "You suck" "That was terrible you should've"

That makes people feel worse about their mistakes. Of course no one wants to feel worse.

Do you want me to start holding everyones hands and say "Well, that was a good try! You'll get em next time!!!"

Yes, as they will feel more inspired to try harder and be willing to listen to you for shot calling.

When they flash into the enemy team as yasuo trying to get the highlight clip of a 5 man ult penta in my promos?

This is just players being bad, man. You are going to get shit like this, so tell them nicely and not saying shitty lines.

If they are going to be spamming pings then they aren't going to be trying to communicate.

And? Not communicating is not reportable. They aren't inclined to listen to you, and vice versa.

If you are being toxic you get your chat taken away? Duh? I literally said "Anyone being toxic gets their chat taken away, IE they can never type again.

Ever heard of the stacking chat restriction system that would sometimes reach up to 1000 chat restricts? Do you know what it did? NOTHING, Hell, it encouraged int. trolling.

Not enough, no where near enough, I get atleast 10x more afks ints or trolls then I get toxic people, and when I find a toxic person, I mute them and move on, I rarely report them unless they say something like "Kill yourself" Or "Get cancer" Or "I hope you family dies."

People don't always report to the boards about their punishment Negativity bias Doesn't reporting them for being toxic go against your philosophy of "You shouldn't get banned for talking shit?"

Astôlfo2 votes

lolno

Stop bothering with this sort of thread. It's pointless, and so are the points inside.

Lupto1 votes

I have no idea who Tyler1 is but I 100% agree with this!!!

CrazFight 1 votes

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I have no idea who Tyler1 is but I 100% agree with this!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P48abml48JM ~ Tyler1

Icestar11866 votes

Tyler1 is a major ass.

Shosha1 votes

The fact you said this and got 4 down votes is PROOF that things need to be changed, you said nothing other then you agree, you stated your opinion and four down votes, if this gained traction and blew up to roughly the size of the Tyler1 ban post, there would be so many agreements and thumbs up. It just needs a boost.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Tylers ban post was advertised on stream, which brought all the Tyler fans. And fans did what many fans normally do, attack anything opposing their idol.

Twiggles5 votes

Having 4 downvotes doesn't prove that "something needs to change". It just means several people (myself included) disagree with what he said.

Verbal abuse is unacceptable. I don't care what way you try to justify it. People who can't or simply won't keep their own chat civil are not wanted in this community.

On top of that, there was no "community backlash" over Tyler1's ban. All that happened there was his crying fanboys raided that thread, and that thread only. Every other topic made by players talking about how Tyler1 deserved the uber ban has gotten a noticeable amount of UPvotes. They simply logged on to downvote that singular topic and then vanished into the ether (where hopefully they shall remain). The community is not made up entirely of Tyler1's toxic progeny.

Shosha1 votes

10 now, the only people that go on this forums day in and day out to down vote stuff like this are SJW's.

Twiggles1 votes

Alternatively, several more people found that comment and disagreed with it. Saying SJW over and over again isn't going to make you any less wrong.

MeilinII1 votes

Go fucking sad. I'd rather everyone who gets permabanned gets what that asshole Tyler1 got: an immidiate perma for all identified smufs

MasterSomething1 votes

Well, Reaper Review was permabanned, but he has shown considerable reform on these boards. Saying they aren't allowed back ever when they get perma banned requires a lot of resources to follow through on.

Reaper Review3 votes

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Well, Reaper Review was permabanned, but he has shown considerable reform on these boards. Saying they aren't allowed back ever when they get perma banned requires a lot of resources to follow through on.

I'm not even sure that'd be possible in this day and age, would it? I don't even stream or upload videos, so Riot wouldn't be able to track me that way.

Besides which, the only reason Tyler kept coming back for more is because he's just THAT belligerent. The overwhelming majority of banned players don't have that kind of 'dedication' and either keep to themselves on a new account or just leave the game anyway.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Hahahahahah, no.

You're failing to understand the very nature of LoL's accounts where you're basically renting all the elements, that's not my opinion, it's right there in the ToS.

And people not being banned for being toxic? What the hell are you smoking?

Shosha1 votes

Again, People get their chat taken away from them. Not accounts. Being perma banned should only fall onto Hackers Exploiters AFK's or INT Feeders.

eastcoastblaze1 votes

Hehe xd

Shosha2 votes

Hehe

Reaper Review1 votes

As much as I really hate having to argue against things like this, I'll tell you simply that it's how Riot's decided to set things up. The previous systems didn't achieve the desired result, so now we have this harsh setup in place.

I'd love another chance to prove myself, I really would. I just have to admit that it very likely won't ever happen, though. (In my case, I wouldn't mind a 'permanent' chat ban, or at least a lengthy one. If I can keep myself focused on my game, the particular problem I had would likely clear itself up.)

Fovere1 votes

I personally don't object to people being banned for behavior when it is extreme and consistent.

Not talking "negativity" or "unsportsmanlike conduct" here, but if someone is constantly harassing /attacking other people in their games, or simply vulgar, they probably don't deserve to play.

Harassment is not a single comment relating to gameplay. Talking repeated profanity/name-calling, personal attacks, etc.

That said, players should be expected to use the mute button if there is unwanted talk, etc.

The game should be less about showing up your teammates with "muted" and "reported" comments, and being free to interact, as you choose, and play.

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