League will not stop being toxic unless they fix this! Chat toxicity is not the main problem!

CGenius·Jan 23, 2019·5 votes·3,053 views

Have you been the gamer that starts a ranked match planning to give it all for the victory and when you land on the rift, your team sucks? Then eventually, you become the "toxic" one because you rage at others who don't give a crap about the match? You are not alone, and League knows it. Toxicity is the worst enemy of this game but it won't change soon because League is not focused on who is playing good or bad, instead, they are focused on the chat log and what you say on it. That's why League will not get rid of the toxicity! Because you can stay quiet, ruin other people's match and at the end, the one that flamed on the chat because he really cared is the one that gets banned quickly. The company needs to understand that there are people that give it all in the field, and there are others that simply join to avoid playing Blind. League, I want you to answer to me these questions: How do you detect when a player goes jungle, adc, support, or champion they have barely played and ruin others people's matches? How do you detect when a player is quiet in chat but has given up and is trolling? How do you detect when a player goes constantly afk for 1 or 2 minutes and does not get hit by the leave buster? How do you detect when people go unconventional champions like I had in a match, Cassiopea jungler and he ruins the match?

It's really easy to write scripts and scrap the chat logs and look for words and common sentences and ban a player for flaming. But the majority of the time, the toxic ones are the ones that want to win, while the quiet ones are the trolls.

Please, fix the matchmaking system and the way you judge your players. I feel like Sundays are the worst days to play the game cause is when all the small kids are around ruining other people's matches and ranks. The game is awesome, but CHAT TOXICITY is less important than GAMEPLAY TOXICITY. I have played with flaming partners that are AMAZING and have carried through the victory, while some QUIET ones are really really out of our ELO. This is one of the biggest hurdles we face in ranked. Anyone else agrees with me? Comments?

22 Comments

ModUlanopoJan 23, 201912 votes

Riot tackles both. Just because you value performance over experience doesn't mean that toxicity stops being a problem.

woodvsmurphJan 23, 20192 votes

They don't tackle both. They tackle only blatantly obvious chat violations.

Your adc even admits in chat that all you have to do is group 5 and push with baron? You have 3x in the next 15 min with 3 baron plays and they could do exactly that and win a match. But every time, despite admitting it is what you HAVE TO DO to win and that it is the CORRECT CALL, the run elsewhere by themselves and afk farm only to die and throw away your chance to end.

If someone calls me an asshole, I can mute them. Yes it's toxic and it should be addressed, yet it is not MORE toxic than someone throwing the game 3x in a row doing the same thing... a thing they openly admitted is the wrong call and to which they admitted they know the correct call they should be doing instead. The second situation is equally toxic if not moreso, yet it is not punished at all. And you can't mute poor play either which arguably makes it far worse.

And the worst still is playing under-the-radar toxicity AND combining that with poor play. Spam ping another player every time they make any little mistake. Talk about their itemization like they're some idiot. Talk about them like they're not contributing to the team at all despite them making a bigger contribution to help the team than anyone else. When they adapt to what you want, you go an change to do something else and screw them over, then make fun of them for it. And all the while, throw the game at every opportunity. But oh wait... that's just you having a bad game. And you never called them an idiot, so you surely weren't harassing them or being toxic in any way.

Much like if I were to go to every one of your posts on league and write some fictitious accusations against you but avoid any truly foul language and do that for oh... a month straight... that wouldn't be toxic behavior on my part lol. It would be. Now imagine that I did do that and... you didn't have any power to deal with that kind of behavior, but just had to put up with person after person treating you like that. Do you think you might get mad? Do you think you might say something unkind to me? Yeah, you would. And therein lies the problem.

In game... that kind of crap behavior gets excused because it's not blatantly toxic even though anyone in game would tell you that they know exactly what the other person is saying or implying. Plausible deniability or lack of detection in the first place gets it excused. It's not griefing... it's having a bad game. As though you can't tell the difference if you have half decent understanding of the game and actually watch the match. So if I auto an enemy and then farm minions as I run down the lane at their tower I'm just having a bad game as I die over and over... because I dealt damage before I died? Sure... just like how writing all sorts of bad stuff about you but never using a word that would get me punished is totally not toxic (that's sarcasm by the way). So if you'd do something about it on the boards because that behavior isn't ok... why is it excused in game? Oh, and we players don't have the luxury of removing players from the game unlike you guys with people writing stuff on the boards. That's why I told you to imagine me doing that to you on boards except you aren't allowed to do anything about it. Because Riot sure doesn't address it in game. Which leads to the whole... you'd get mad and say something eventually. And if you would do that... how can you fault someone else for doing that in game when facing essentially the same scenario? You can't. Yet that's exactly what Riot does.

Do you think op here wants to be toxic? If he did, he wouldn't go to the boards to address that issue. He's going here because of the problem I described which isn't being addressed and needs to be addressed. He wants it fixed, others want it fixed. They're going because they know that if Riot actually addressed the elephant in the room... the REAL toxicity in league properly... then much of the remaining toxicity like that of op wouldn't exist to begin with. You don't pull off the leaves of a weed and expect it to die. You pull up the root. So if there's problematic behavior A that is causing problematic behavior B, you don't fix it by simply addressing problematic behavior B and ignoring or excusing A because behavior B hurt A's feelings. You address the source problem A and voila, you've now solved problem A AND B. But nah... that's to simple. Better to lie to people exhibiting problem B and tell them A is a myth and they're a bad person. Cuz obviously bad people try and solve the problem and give a shit about it when they have a problem (sarcasm). Op here is trying to solve the problem. Pull up the weed at it's root or else you can remove op here and another weed will just grow up from the roots and take it's place. Op here might be a weed, but he's more than likely a leaf. Put another way... you can treat a sick patient by easing the symptoms of their illness and still leave them sick and having to fight off the illness with their own immune system, or you can treat a patient by attacking the source of those symptoms and helping their immune system have an easier time making their body better. Right now, Riot only treats the symptoms of lol's toxicity illness. It leaves the source of it's toxicity untreated. And sadly, lol's innate immune system isn't up to the task of healing itself of toxicity. It needs Riot to step in and actually treat the source.

CGeniusJan 23, 20192 votes

I absolutely agree with you and looks like some trolls are Downvoting us. This is the root of the problem: Toxicity under the radar. People quiet in chat but trolling in game, playing first time champs, playing champs meant for mid in the jungle, and so on. And then, because you want to win you get upset you can't then say anything or you will be reported, and the chat ban acts fast. League is banning people that actually care and will likely make others matches less miserable and then leaving the non-toxic stupid players keep doing their stuff.

Kei143Jan 23, 20198 votes

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playing champs meant for mid in the jungle

Not trolling though. You are allowed to play any champ in any position.

SirrkasJan 23, 20192 votes

playing champs meant for mid in the jungle,

Ok, lets assume you would be right. People would get punished, if anyone plays a champion, that is not usually seen on that lane or not designed for that position.

Now we take the earliest Meta and try to enforce it, by banning everyone, who does something else.

We would have been stuck for about 8 years now with Ashe mid, 2 top, 2 bot and no jungler. The game would become very boring really fast. Nobody is ever allowed to try something new. Twitch players get banned, when they go jungle. Zyraplayers get banned, when they go support. The proteams would have livetimebans, because they introduce new, stuff. Like for example MF or Sion support or Victor top.

You would also have to ban players, that laneswap. Because the ADC + Support in the current meta are expected to go bot. But laneswaps are a part of the game, because you don't want change, everyone now has to stay on his lane. Maybe until a timer says it is free to leave your lane now. When midlane and bot help at dragon, they have to get banned, because river is not their lane.

woodvsmurphJan 24, 20191 votes

Playing champs in new roles is fine... but you should show some level of competence in it. Like you wouldn't see someone in silver play fiddles jungle and start fear and build adc crit items on him. Maybe in a normals game where they're just messing around sure... but not in ranked.

I'm perfectly fine with weird champs or items, etc. I had weird but very op build for old morde, I brought morg and naut to the support role and toplane before it was cool or even thought of by pro's. But it needs to be thought out and you need to be able to play it with some level of competence for your elo if doing it in ranked.

Like last season I decided to play reworked galio top after not having played him since rework in a ranked game. I cost my team that game playing very poorly, getting tilted, and not working the best with my team due to frustration at the way they treated me for losing toplane. I might have been upset about the way they treated me and maybe they deserved to be talked to for that... but I also would have agreed with them that they had a right to report me for feeding... because I should have done a much better job after having a rough start but instead I kept doing stupid things and not showing the basic skills it took for me to climb to that elo. I didn't play like I deserved to be in gold that match. You can lose lane, lose game, and still play in a way that enables your team to have a chance... a way that shows you deserve to be in your elo but simply didn't win the game or maybe have the best match.

And if any reports of me that match had been looked at and I were demoted to say... silver 4, well then I'd say that I honestly deserved it. I would just have to earn my way back to gold. If I deserved gold... no big deal, I'd get there eventually and maybe next time I had a galio game start like that I would play better like my teammates deserved and give them a chance. If I didn't actually deserve gold to begin with, then great... I'd be closer to the elo I actually belonged in which would: a) give me a chance to actually do well in a match and feel better about myself and my gameplay b) avoid more teammates in future games being frustrated at me costing them games they deserved to win c) avoid boosting opponents that didn't deserve to win but did because I threw harder than my teammates could reasonably be expected to carry

ModPrandineJan 23, 20192 votes

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They don't tackle both. They tackle only blatantly obvious chat violations.

Chat violations are easier to detect and prove since the evidence of the misbehavior is most clearly there. When it comes to gameplay toxicity though Riot has to be sure there's enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of actual trolling/griefing, which is difficult to get because there are some people out there who will cry foul at any sort of poor play or disagreement and label that as trolling/griefing even when it's not. Only once it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a player is trolling do they get punished. In case you don’t believe me on this point here are some examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it’s just a few examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

woodvsmurphJan 24, 20191 votes

If you look at farm, duel, teamfight, level advantage, cs advantage, etc. stats of top ranked renekton in NA compared to other renektons in his elo (and he might even be smurfing on that account)... I actually have comparable advantages to that in my elo (not smurfing) compared to other renektons in my elo.

If you look at the average renekton in my elo, they are playing for laning phase with pta plus domination (strongest rune setup for laning phase) plus taking ignite. They also get at least 1-2 early ganks to start them snowballing most games. If you look at me... I'm running one of the weakest rune setups for laning phase (not my words... you wanna debate take it up with RTO challenger elo renekton) and I'm running tp. I average less than 1 friendly gank in laning phase while more often than not being counterpicked and playing vs an opponent with ignite. As in... all those games where you see streamers and pro's complain about being camped so hard and saying it's basically their team's job to carry them because they can't do anything but just try to survive and farm... that's MOST of my games. Now, if you consider that how the heck am I NOT SMURFING and still outperforming the average renekton at my elo during laning phase... to the same degree as highest ranked renekton in NA does?

Bearing that in mind... let's look at some proof that griefing or inting teammates aren't being properly dealt with. Said top ranked renekton winrate - 79%. My winrate - keep in mind... I'm putting up same level of performance as this guy based on elo - 49%. Hmm... 30% difference in winrate. While performing at the same caliber based on other players in said player's elo. Now if it were 0-5%, we might dismiss it as chance or coincidence. But 30%? That's way beyond statistical anomaly.

So what does that mean? Clearly there is a difference in quality of teammates. And clearly I am statistically way too regularly getting sub-par teammates. Not even just sub-par... outright boosted. Before we go any further... no I'm not claiming I belong in diamond elo instead of gold or something stupid like that. If I were, that would be solid evidence to dismiss my case. The fact that I'm not shows that I'm not blowing smoke and just maybe... I'm someone you should listen to. Actually listen to. Not politely reply to with the same copy paste bs that is so often used and hid behind because people don't want to admit there is a problem.

So one of 3 possibilities is happening to me all of which are unfortunate and should be looked into and fixed: A) 1-4 of my teammates consistently have something akin to... the worst game of their entire season whenever they end up on my team. Now this happens to everyone once in awhile... but if it's happening MOST of my games, then it becomes very statistically unlikely that ONE guy should have these people on his team for that game nearly every match.

B) teammates are hella boosted. I have some pity for them, but they need to be insta-demoted for both their sake and for the sake of their teammates AND opponents. You guys don't allow elo boosting... well this indirectly and unintentionally leads to exactly that. It grossly skews people's elo. It would be the same thing as putting me in high diamond elo game and pretending/excusing me as merely having a bad game. Well guess what... it's not a bad game; I'd be boosted. There's skills players have there, basic mechanics, macro skills, etc. that I don't have. Anyone who actually understands the skill level of players deserving that elo could look at my play and go... this guy is boosted; he plays like a gold. If your opponents all have a set of basic skills, you have a set of basic skills for your elo... your teammates need to have that too. No I'm not saying that if I can get 6 cs per min a teammate getting 5 cs per min is boosted. But if players at my elo all know (micro and macro) A, B, C, D, E, F and my teammate can clearly only do A, C they are boosted. For their sake, for my sake, and for the sake of our opponents, they need to be insta-demoted to their proper elo. Why? Let's look back at my theoretical visit to high diamond elo for an explanation. Well to drop down to gold where I belong based on my skill and knowledge, I'm going to have to lose probably at least 7 or 8 games possibly more. During this time I will have potentially boosted 75= 35 opponents to higher elo than they deserve and drug down 47=28 teammates to lower elo and mmr than they deserve. But... it's just 1 game for each of them that I impact so not a big deal right? Wrong. They in turn each have a micro version of this effect that I've had on their next games due to over-rated or under-rated mmr and outperforming or underperforming expectations based on that mmr. And what if they run into ANOTHER person in my theoretical situation... further reducing or inflating their mmr. As you can see, the problem can grow increasingly bad. And it begins to affect more and more people... leading to exponential bad effects for tons of players and a very very long time and many many matches for mmr to sort this out... all the while running into more data skewing situations like this one along the way which lead to further setbacks in resolving the problem.

C) teammates are trolling, griefing, win trading, and/or inting. Ok, so we've done a check and teammates clearly know how to do A, B, C, D, E, and F. But they are simply refusing to do that even though they know how. Then they deserve to be at this elo... at least as far as skill and knowledge are concerned. But they're not playing like it. Since we know they are capable of playing like it... consistently... then they are underperforming by a large margin on purpose. Whether it be extreme tilt, disliking a particular teammate, wanting to stay at their elo rather than get in promotion match, etc. they are choosing to sabotage their team's efforts. It doesn't matter if it's one game or 20... it is wrong. If I go and curse someone out and tell them I'm going to bleep their (insert family member name here), it doesn't take 20 games to go... maybe we should do something about the reports on this guy. It only takes 1. The same standards should apply for griefing, inting, win trading, etc. Well how do we know it's one and not the other? It's too difficult to tell off one game? No. That's bs. If I die 5x 1v1 to nasus, and I keep trying to force fights on nasus all game or even start trying to 1v3 or 1v5 nasus and his teammates... I'm inting. It doesn't matter if I'm tilted or not... I'm inting. I have actively chosen to not give my team a chance at winning. I've abandoned playing with A, B, C, D, E, and F even though I've shown from other matches that I'm capable of these. Let me be clear here... it's not my kda that makes me inting or should get me punished. It's the fact that I'm intentionally doing it and intentionally refusing to give my team a fighting chance. It's the fact that I've abandoned the most basic of skills which are REQUIRED to climb to said elo and which I've proven that I'm capable of. It's the fact that it is repetitive. Maybe not repetitive game after game... but repetitive within the match. Do something once, it's a mistake. Do it twice, it's questionable. Do it a 6th time in a row? I'm inting or griefing. And it's also because I'm doing it... it's not nasus bringing his jungler and 2 man tower diving me; I'm forcing the fight on him actively trying to duel him when I have no business doing so. That's an example of how it is extremely easy to tell the difference between someone having a bad game and someone inting, griefing, win trading, etc.

So... if these people were being properly dealt with there would not exist the 30% difference in winrate between said top NA renekton and myself while we both manage to put up the same kind of statistical performance consistently in our respective elo's. There's some real-life stats for you sir along with some common sense analysis.

Do you guys deal with a few of these people op or I claim are a problem? Sure. Like 1%. The other 99% are out there continuing to ruin people's games, screw up mmr, lead to frustration for everyone with poor matchmaking, and breed the kind of blatant chat toxicity you guys DO properly address. All I'm asking is that Riot properly deal with this kind of toxicity with equal integrity as they do with blatant chat violations.[zombie-brand-clap]

GatekeeperTDSJan 23, 20194 votes

How do you detect when a player goes jungle, adc, support, or champion they have barely played and ruin others people's matches?

Not against the rules.

How do you detect when a player is quiet in chat but has given up and is trolling?

What are we using as today's definition of trolling?

How do you detect when a player goes constantly afk for 1 or 2 minutes and does not get hit by the leave buster?

Report them for AFK at the end of the match.

How do you detect when people go unconventional champions like I had in a match, Cassiopea jungler and he ruins the match?

Not against the rules.

Inkling CommandoJan 23, 20193 votes

the source of all the toxic comes actually wanting to win. players don't give two fucks about anything except winning. hell i highly bet some players have apps on their phones or some other guide to look at to decide what to do and when. they put in so much effort in trying to actually win that if the plan isn't done to a T they go ape shit over everything. while i do agree that ranked is for winning and not for off meta shit, i still don't get why you want to win and get to the top of the ranks. there is nothing there. people just need to stop and think if winning and getting to the top is really worth it.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20192 votes

Haha Who would play this game if there is no rank system...maybe 20 percent of current players.... people love getting to the top ... It is in human nature ... I can bet lol would die in 2 months if there is no rank system and competetve scene...if you play it just for fun and do not take it seriously at all game would loose all fun and no one would care about it . With that being said I don't agree that winning is all that matters,and that you should win at any cost.there must be combination of play To win and play for fun and respect to others.u must combine all 3 factors and newer ignore any of them in ranked games.... People who don't care to win should not play ranked game... simple as that

EL HAMSTEROJan 23, 20191 votes

its not the players its the game

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

I don't know what you aiming at.. But it is a game where your goal is to kill and destroy... So ...

Kei143Jan 23, 20191 votes

Positional match making will be coming to ranked in 2 days. So if someone is playing a new/off role, match making would put them in easier matchups with lower MMR.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

I totally agree.worst punishment for people who are toxic in chat ,but always give best to win game, should be permanent chat ban,and newer account ban.and there should be much more bans for inting and trolling...and you don't have their accounts either.just first ban them from ranked,and if they continue trolling,inting ban them from normals and let them play aram a d Nexus blitz

ModPrandineJan 23, 20191 votes

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I totally agree.worst punishment for people who are toxic in chat ,but always give best to win game, should be permanent chat ban,and newer account ban.and there should be much more bans for inting and trolling...and you don't have their accounts either.just first ban them from ranked,and if they continue trolling,inting ban them from normals and let them play aram a d Nexus blitz

Chat bans don't work as when Riot tried infinitely scaling chat restrictions most players with that punishment just switched over to gameplay related means of harassing others, meaning it's not the chat that's the problem it's the players. Also, if someone is going to troll one mode then most likely they'll troll others as well, and barring them from X amount of modes won't change that. Bottom line is if a player can't behave properly despite being given multiple chances to do so then they shouldn't be allowed to play at all.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

I don't agree with what you are saying.from my personal experience people often flame in desire to win game... So eaven if I am angry on teamate because of his gameplay I would newer troll if I see wee can win game.i would troll if wee can't win,because then it doesn't matter how I play.... And I believe most of players who rage would newer troll as longest as they believe they can win...so chat ban is perfect solution for those type of people,and I think most of us are like that...

SirrkasJan 23, 20191 votes

The problem is, some people flame (some refers here to people, like in, some people flame, not like some flamers flame), when they get frustrated. They don't care about why they get frustrated. They just flame. Sure, some of them want to win. But mostly, the flame ist just pointless. I could fill pages with examples on how pointless it can be. For example a Tristana, that flamed me, for not using W as Soraka every 3 seconds, jumping into Jhin with her W, while she has 50 HP left and burned her heal summoner. I even pinged her, my W is still on cooldown, after her flame.

Or a vayne, that claims, I didn't use ult als Lulu. I still wonder, how she was not able to notice how big she got. Or another ADC, that claims our Jungler was stupid for counterjungling, while he was actually trying to escape the enemies and execute on a turret, because they surrounded him at dragon. My ADC didn't even notice, he was distracting the enemy botlane and the jungler for about 30 to 40 seconds, before morgana got the kill.

The problem with you flamer is, you never even can be objective in the chat. You notice something bad happened and try to find a scapegoat. You can't see what happened or if you happened to see it, you were probably wasting time, because you coudln't concentrate on your gameplay, while you watched.

There are tons of people who think, it is fine to flame, because they want to win. The funny part ist, your flame doesn't help you with that. In the best case, everyone ignores you and sends a report. In the worst case, you are distracting others and might even cause a flamewar. How do you want to win a match, when you and the guy you flame, are more busy tiping in the chat, than actually trying to win?

I allready had tons of easy kills and objectives, because a player suddenly stopped doing anything, didn't react to my attacks and died. Just to see half a second later, how they were flaming their teammates in allchat, for being useless.

Just to make that clear, while you are typing insults in the chat, you are the one being useless and even hurting your team. You are the one, who prefers to work for the demise of his team, by spending time annoying them. You are the one, who doesn't want to win. Even though, you claim, that is your goal. But actually, you decide to work against your team. That is the opposite of what you should do, if you really desire to win that match.

Just because your pride or ego gets hurt, when your team doesn't play like pros, doesn't mean, you should attack them via chat. You also should never troll. If you start trolling, you are just making it worse. And there are tons of matches, that still can become a victory, even though it seems to be hopeless. By deciding to troll, because you ~~THINK~~ it is lost, you put the last nail in the coffin. If you want to end the game and lose, try to surrender. When the team is against it, give your best. Even if you barely have any chance to win, you still can at least learn something in that match.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

Don't confuse subjects .I don't approve flameing and I don't say it's acceptable . I am saying most of them do want to win and best punishment is chat ban...there is no need for other punishments

ModPrandineJan 23, 2019

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I don't agree with what you are saying.from my personal experience people often flame in desire to win game... So eaven if I am angry on teamate because of his gameplay I would newer troll if I see wee can win game.i would troll if wee can't win,because then it doesn't matter how I play.... And I believe most of players who rage would newer troll as longest as they believe they can win...so chat ban is perfect solution for those type of people,and I think most of us are like that...

First off, from Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

If someone isn't gonna behave properly despite being given multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the game?

With that out of the way I understand wanting to win, and even I get frustrated from time to time myself in part due to being a competitive person. However, I don't take my anger and frustration out on my teammates and instead yell and rage at the screen. Doing this allows me to vent while not compromising my teams chances of success. I won't deny that perma-mutes may work for some people, and I also agree that people should use the mute button whenever problem players crop up (no excuse for poor behavior though), but at the end of the day the players have to make the conscious decision to work on their behavior while using the tools available if need be to help with that rather than rely solely on Riot and/or other players to do it for them.

Vegito101Jan 24, 20191 votes

I must admit I am surprised that mayority of players would go troll and feed if they can't rage on chat. I personally would newer troll or feed because I am angry on teamate.i care more about my lp and kda then some random stranger behaviour...So it is kind a sad to hear about results of that riot chat ban experiment... For me personally chat is not needed for this game.i will not make friends with random stranger on internet game,and I don't need chat to communicate with team .. Pings are more then enough...

Yes you can control yoursef,but not always.there are bad days when everything goes wrong,and some people cant stop using keyboard in those moments... I agree u can't blame riot for your mistakes,but at the same time they can and should do much more in understanding players behaviour,and finding better solution and punishments based on that...I agree they did a lot ,but they can do a lot more in the future.I can't ever agree that anyone get permabaned for using chat without understanding what is going on behind those words...eaven a killer get different punishment based on circumstances that lead to murder...does that mean that judge approve murder...hell no... Is it easy to create better system.nope it is not.but should they stop experimenting and just stay satisfied with current one ...???

BrothaJan 24, 20191 votes

I had an annie follow me around a few games ago because I caught one of her waves after she died. She did this for 10 minutes but couldn't stop me from snowballing my other lanes so she started playing again. We ended not 5 minutes later because of his much of a stomp it was. It was reported but nothing was done to the Annie. I've grown to accept that only chat and HARD inting is the only thing Riot will ever punish in this game.