Is this worth 14 days?

proliarides·Jan 28, 2018·1 votes·1,253 views

I almost never talk in chat in my games and as you can see this game is not an exception, i only talked 6 six times and I assume the system detected "kys" and gave me the ban. I got a chat restriction almost a year ago for similar reasons, just the typical trash talk but not toxicity flamefests.

The people who reported me I assume would be the enemy teemo and janna premade who said in all chat "you are reported caitlyn" after i responded to their "Wow 4 people in bot" that they kept spamming after they died to ganks the whole game.

I'm writing this because im afraid that I might get permaban for writing anything after the ban ends, i will probably follow the mute all strategy in every game from now on. This also happened in a normal game.

48 Comments

TaunkaTruckJan 28, 20188 votes

Nowadays people really do kill themselves over crap that happens on the net. My only issue with your ban is that it wasn't permanent.

proliaridesJan 28, 20182 votes

I feel a serious hatred towards others in the boards, does the feeling that someones account getting permaban bring you enjoyment? I get it my behaviour is unacceptable, but having such feelings of spite against others isnt better. You claim to not react to flamers but here in the boards where you can show your true self without punishments you do it freely.

The stigma of restrictions is real and you enforce discrimination freely here. Oh well human nature doesnt change. If a person would kill themselves over a "kys" would probably have depression, been thinking about it already and have a weak will. If I told you to jump over a cliff would you do it? This is how silly it sounds.

Oh well, have a good day sir. I'm sorry I couldnt bring you hapiness by being permabanned. We aren't all strong enough to take on hate speech and not react to it, I'm happy I could just respond with a 3 letter word instead of the typical flamefest you see in league.

o brigid oJan 28, 20187 votes

calling you out on your bad behavior when you've asked for feedback on the matter is not flaming. you literally wished suicide on a fellow player. the lack of hate speech on your part doesn't lighten that at all and you don't get a pat on the back for not using language you shouldn't be using anyway. retaliation against other players in chat does nothing but continue spreading negativity. you could have easily muted. but instead you went straight to telling someone to self-harm. this is inexcusable and unjustifiable.

and yes. yes we do take pleasure in the notion that Riot continues to remove toxic jerks from our games.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

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Umbral RegentJan 28, 20184 votes

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......??????

Why on God's green earth would you buy an account in a Free-to-Play Game? That's ignorant at best and wastefully ignorant at worst.

Also, if you buy an account that was played to level 30+ prior to your acquisition of it, it'll get banned, as that falls under account sharing. Your money will ultimately have been wasted.

If they did permanent chat ban toxicity wouldnt exist you know.

So, permanent chat bans can prevent trolling, griefing, and intentional feeding?

Because they've already tried permanent chat bans, and it didn't work. People just trolled and fed because they couldn't be toxic through chat. It's infeasible, and the ban system they have currently works.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

From what I know people inting and trolling was always a feature of league and I experience it in almost every game.

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20185 votes

And so has flaming. This doesn't make either of them not toxic. They're both toxic, so if "toxicity wouldn't exist" if only for the existence of permanent chat bans, then you imply that somehow, permanent chat bans would also completely quash gameplay-related toxicity, like feeding or trolling.

Which, it can't - and as mentioned, permanent chat bans really only led to more gameplay toxicity, since chat toxicity wasn't an option. So, even if they did permanent chat bans again, toxicity would still exist.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

That happens because riot doesnt ban people who int or troll.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

Also buying account doesnt get you banned, I have 3 other accounts I got from internet cafes and they still arent banned.

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20187 votes

Ah, and do you know this for an absolute fact? Do you intentionally feed and troll on hundreds of accounts to see if they get banned? Do you work for Riot and have insider knowledge on their dealing with trolls or feeders?

I already know you don't. You don't know if Riot bans trolls or feeders. You have no basis for argument on this, and there's no way you could possibly prove that Riot doesn't ban trolls or feeders.

Beyond all this, though, you're deflecting my arguments that toxicity would still exist even with permanent chat bans. Because, guess what - it takes toxicity to get there, and they could still be toxic even while chat banned. End of discussion.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

You stated something without proof so why should i provide you with some?

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20181 votes

Humor me.

PaíntchipJan 28, 20182 votes

Oh, so because they perma ban people, there is no more trolls or inters? Cool, I guess, but can you tell the trolls that please. RIOT’s current system really only punishes people for being human. Those of you who cheer for prople to get perma banned over nothing more then frustration at a troll are disgusting. This is very close to victim blaming. Are you the same type of person who blames a woman for wearing a skirt for the rapist’s actions? No one should have their account banned for frustration with inters and trolls. Especially since RIOT has a lack luster response to inters.

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20182 votes

Where did I say "permabans completely remove trolls/feeders"?
Where did I express joy over the fact that someone got banned?

MachstDuBierHaseJan 28, 20181 votes

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calling you out on your bad behavior when you've asked for feedback on the matter is not flaming. you literally wished suicide on a fellow player. the lack of hate speech on your part doesn't lighten that at all and you don't get a pat on the back for not using language you shouldn't be using anyway. retaliation against other players in chat does nothing but continue spreading negativity. you could have easily muted. but instead you went straight to telling someone to self-harm. this is inexcusable and unjustifiable.

and yes. yes we do take pleasure in the notion that Riot continues to remove toxic jerks from our games.

I dont.

And I dont ejoy ppl like you getting upvoted while the OP commend gets a downvote fiesta due to grief either.

IF we leave the 'KYS' aside for a second, he got enraged over player behaviour - which in return triggered him to became verbaly abusive. The fact that there are still people allowed to play who can, with their behaviour trigger such responses is to me a matter worth exploring while the likes of you only care about the removal of the toxic player.

The Toxic Player however isnt the cause, its the result.

TaunkaTruckJan 28, 20184 votes

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I dont.

And I dont ejoy ppl like you getting upvoted while the OP commend gets a downvote fiesta due to grief either.

IF we leave the 'KYS' aside for a second, he got enraged over player behaviour - which in return triggered him to became verbaly abusive. The fact that there are still people allowed to play who can, with their behaviour trigger such responses is to me a matter worth exploring while the likes of you only care about the removal of the toxic player.

The Toxic Player however isnt the cause, its the result.

It sounds to me like you're a salty guy who has enjoyed his own ban at one point. Mocking me for saying it's not ok to tell people to kill themselves aside, it's kindergarten logic. Your argument is the same as saying it's ok to beat a woman because dinner was cold when you got home from work. Learn to control yourself, don't victim blame by arguing "they shouldn't make me mad enough to flip out."

o brigid oJan 28, 20187 votes

I have to agree with Taunka for the most part, although I think the comparison to a wife beater and calling it victim blaming is off-base. No one is saying that the toxic behavior that "triggered" OP is okay. OP absolutely 100% should have muted that player and reported him so that the system could do its job to punish/remove the Teemo. However, after the fact, it's no longer OP's concern. And the toxic behavior in question here isn't Teemo's. It's OP's. There is no "leaving the KYS aside for a second". That is the issue at hand. Period. And that is what we can discuss as it is laid before us. If Teemo comes to the boards to openly ask about and discuss his own punishments, then we'll have cause to discuss it.

But OP decided to retaliate instead of muting and reporting... which is why OP got punished. All toxic behavior should be punished. All of it. Retaliation is equally as bad as initiation. Both contribute to negative experiences of the players around you. Both are unnecessary and easily avoided.

The toxic player isn't the result of other toxic players. The majority of players don't respond to toxicity with more toxicity. They know how to keep their anger in check or just aren't so fucking awful that they'd voice wishes of suicide against someone. You don't say things like that unless you're toxic straight up. That's not a result. It's part of the problem. The actions of other players never excuse or give us license to stoop to their level. We are responsible for our own behavior. "He started it," is never a valid excuse.

nerak23Jan 28, 20184 votes

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I have to agree with Taunka for the most part, although I think the comparison to a wife beater and calling it victim blaming is off-base. No one is saying that the toxic behavior that "triggered" OP is okay. OP absolutely 100% should have muted that player and reported him so that the system could do its job to punish/remove the Teemo. However, after the fact, it's no longer OP's concern. And the toxic behavior in question here isn't Teemo's. It's OP's. There is no "leaving the KYS aside for a second". That is the issue at hand. Period. And that is what we can discuss as it is laid before us. If Teemo comes to the boards to openly ask about and discuss his own punishments, then we'll have cause to discuss it.

But OP decided to retaliate instead of muting and reporting... which is why OP got punished. All toxic behavior should be punished. All of it. Retaliation is equally as bad as initiation. Both contribute to negative experiences of the players around you. Both are unnecessary and easily avoided.

The toxic player isn't the result of other toxic players. The majority of players don't respond to toxicity with more toxicity. They know how to keep their anger in check or just aren't so fucking awful that they'd voice wishes of suicide against someone. You don't say things like that unless you're toxic straight up. That's not a result. It's part of the problem. The actions of other players never excuse or give us license to stoop to their level. We are responsible for our own behavior. "He started it," is never a valid excuse.

Well said ! I couldn't agree with you more.

o brigid oJan 28, 20181 votes

Cheers, friend. It's nice to be acknowledged. Thanks!

SavageConcordiaJan 28, 20181 votes

If a person would kill themselves over a "kys" would probably have depression, been thinking about it already and have a weak will.

So what? They deserve it? You should be allowed to harass them? What the fuck does it matter if someone has personal issues they are working through? Maybe they are depressed and league is one of the few escapes they have from a life they don't like, does that make it ok for you to tell them to kill themselves because they had an off game? NO! League is a game, if you are getting so angry at strangers on the other side of the country because they aren't winning a game to an extent that you think telling them to kill themselves is an appropriate response, you need to grow up.

I'm writing this because im afraid that I might get permaban for writing anything after the ban ends,

Just being toxic, it's not hard. If you are afraid you can't write anything without the words coming out being toxic then you should probably take a break from league.

AdunJan 28, 20181 votes

Actually yeah, seeing people like you who say "kys" and other hate speech getting banned does bring me enjoyment. It means there is one less person who is going to ruin future games.

proliaridesJan 30, 20181 votes

it was the enemy teemo ffs, he was trash talking to me and provoking me everytime he died by being passive-aggresive to avoid getting a punishment because as far as i know if i didnt say KYS and responded with a phrase similar to "Quit lol" or "Lol trash" i wouldnt get banned because they arent as offensive. The fact that I am upset is that im not judged correctly, why wont i get a ban if i dont use certain words while still being a toxic person? Also according to mobalytics KYS is the #1 word for getting banned so yeah.

I used to flame really hard 2 years ago but I used teemos tactic of being passive aggressive to avoid getting banned and it worked until I didnt care anymore or forgot, anyways due to lots of reasons and went ahead and said KYS. It was an automatical response because I'm browsing /b/ and /pol/ a lot and you see that kind of words there in every thread lol.

I had honor 5 because I was reformed but I guess your past charges dont leave, much like in real life so I got the 14 day punishment 1 year later.

BubblyRainbowsJan 28, 20185 votes

Well, telling someone to kill themselves over a game is about as toxic and uncalled for as it gets. I'm surprised you weren't permabanned straight away. You did it twice. I've heard that more than once can jump straight to perma-ban. But perhaps that's just misinformation.

But the point is, maybe you didn't literally mean that they should log off and go kill themselves, but that's what you said. And you said it over a GAME. So yes, you deserved the ban. And the muteall strategy may be your best bet going forward. If you're the type with issues about impulse control, you might also consider unbinding the enter key so you can't bring up the chat at all.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

I just wrote it twice in just 1 game, I got the same treatment as people who have chat logs the size of essays filled with "c4ncer, mom insults, personal attacks and insane toxicity". I just responded ironically without any context, nobody would take this as a personal attack. As I said I dont flame in this game and I got judged by 2 words I said that I didnt even mean literally. The people who reported me were trash talking in all chat and kept saying related stuff the whole game but didnt get punished after I reported them. This feels unfair because the last time I got a chat ban was in the starts of season 7 for calling a person boosted ( without any toxicity, just that ).

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20185 votes

nobody would take this as a personal attack.

???: kys ???: i dont care ???: kys teemo

You told Teemo to kill themselves - how is that not a personal attack?

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

I wanted to write shut up but wanted it to have more impact thats all.

Timethief49Jan 28, 20184 votes

Then mute him, cant get shut up with more impact than removing their ability to write entirely

Umbral RegentJan 28, 201810 votes

"I want this person to know I want them to shut up. I know! I'll just tell them to kill themselves, they'll understand it immediately."

For real, though - is that seriously the only thing you could think of in terms of "more impact than 'shut up'"? Because that's not just more impactful, it's way, way over the friggin' line.

And considering that the player in question was on the enemy team - why couldn't you have just muted them if you wanted them to shut up? There's literally no reason you should be voicing your desire for someone to be quiet, especially if they're not even on your team.

If that's "all", then the punishment you got was more than deserved.

TaunkaTruckJan 28, 20184 votes

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"I want this person to know I want them to shut up. I know! I'll just tell them to kill themselves, they'll understand it immediately."

For real, though - is that seriously the only thing you could think of in terms of "more impact than 'shut up'"? Because that's not just more impactful, it's way, way over the friggin' line.

And considering that the player in question was on the enemy team - why couldn't you have just muted them if you wanted them to shut up? There's literally no reason you should be voicing your desire for someone to be quiet, especially if they're not even on your team.

If that's "all", then the punishment you got was more than deserved.

A shame I can't upvote your comment about 100 times. Well said.

Kei143Jan 28, 20183 votes

you probably should stop thinking that kys is the same as shut up, even in real life.

proliaridesJan 30, 20181 votes

I dont, i just felt like i had enough and had to give my opinion to teemo. It wasnt an order, more like what i was thinking at that moment. I know its not morally acceptable.

TaunkaTruckJan 28, 20185 votes

Your problem is you want sympathy. You want people to comfort you and tell you "it wasn't so bad" to somehow in your mind justify the notion Riot overreacted. They didn't. Your behavior was toxic, and Riot made the right call. I see no spite or "hatred" towards you in wishing you were perma-banned. I see simple logic. Even you admit you got in trouble for behaving badly a year ago, and here you are again. You haven't learned a thing between then and now is all. And if you're the type to tell strangers you hope they kill themselves, then the community could only improve with your absence is my stance.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

I dont think calling a platinum person with ( 90% win rate Xerath and Kata ) who only plays jarvan with an overall winrate of 46%, boosted counts as toxicity but oh well. I didnt flame the whole season because I know how riots system works in detecting key words and banning you for them but I didnt think that KYS was one of them and it was the first time I ever said it in my life playing league from season 2.

Oh and my punishment was for trash talking and was just 5 game chat ban lol, nothing serious.

TaunkaTruckJan 28, 20185 votes

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I dont think calling a platinum person with ( 90% win rate Xerath and Kata ) who only plays jarvan with an overall winrate of 46%, boosted counts as toxicity but oh well. I didnt flame the whole season because I know how riots system works in detecting key words and banning you for them but I didnt think that KYS was one of them and it was the first time I ever said it in my life playing league from season 2.

Oh and my punishment was for trash talking and was just 5 game chat ban lol, nothing serious.

Here's a hint of why you don't get it. No one cares about your rank, or your win ratio. You aren't banned for being "good" or banned for having a good KDA. You were banned for being a crappy person towards another person. The fact you "know" how Riot's ban system work and what they search for to try and get around it speaks volumes. Stop talking to people unless you have something nice to say, and you'll never be banned again. Simple stuff. You have game mechanic skill, you just need to work on your people skills.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

This isnt a social game and I will never change my point of view. Why should I care about a random trolls feelings in a competitive game? It also helped in making him feel like a loser by going 22-8 on him and he ended with 6-16. Oh well, the report button is their weapon when they cant use their skills as one.

nerak23Jan 28, 20183 votes

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I dont think calling a platinum person with ( 90% win rate Xerath and Kata ) who only plays jarvan with an overall winrate of 46%, boosted counts as toxicity but oh well. I didnt flame the whole season because I know how riots system works in detecting key words and banning you for them but I didnt think that KYS was one of them and it was the first time I ever said it in my life playing league from season 2.

Oh and my punishment was for trash talking and was just 5 game chat ban lol, nothing serious.

Not all posters who talk about their punishment get only hostile replies, after reading only your thread starting comment I was going to say something much different then this.

Then you start trying to make Your own misuse of the system seem justified by using someone's rank and skill. Both unacceptable things to do.

To answer your q. Yes I consider it Worth. If you had reacted different in your replies you might have at least gained some knowledge from here.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

I dont need knowledge, I already know how riot bans people because I tested it with a smurf and a friend. I was just surprised that 2 words can get you banned because when I tested the system I had to write at least a sentence to get flagged.

nerak23Jan 28, 20183 votes

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I dont need knowledge, I already know how riot bans people because I tested it with a smurf and a friend. I was just surprised that 2 words can get you banned because when I tested the system I had to write at least a sentence to get flagged.

You just want to argue piss&moan.

If you have the knowledge then you should know that what you said was worth the punishment you got.

Have a better day if possible.

Hextech OwIJan 28, 20183 votes

You deserve more.

proliaridesJan 28, 20181 votes

Give me more then

GettemCloneJan 28, 20182 votes

it hurts my feelings

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

MordiusJan 28, 20182 votes

Why did you scribble out the username in the photo, if it is your chat log

XidphelJan 28, 20181 votes

kys

Yes.

This Is Your DadJan 28, 20181 votes

I think this man's ban should be immediately lifted because there was a Teemo involved.

EastWolfyFeb 1, 20181 votes

this community is soft af. Anything that offends anyone is considered bannable. I suggest you stop giving money to riot games. Play a game like cs:go where it isnt filled with sjw pussies that need a safe space or they might kill themselves from some bad words. I say let natural selection do what it does best and thin out the weak from the herd.

blaze master2Feb 11, 20181 votes

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this community is soft af. Anything that offends anyone is considered bannable. I suggest you stop giving money to riot games. Play a game like cs:go where it isnt filled with sjw pussies that need a safe space or they might kill themselves from some bad words. I say let natural selection do what it does best and thin out the weak from the herd.

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