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Premades are not all toxic.

StarTorched··5 votes·650 views

Yes, I get there are trolls out there that roam in packs and ruin solo queue for people. But at the same time, I have had so many times when someone who loses a lane or gets fed up, and rages at me or a friend. Then the person proceeds to immediately go to all chat and cry to the enemy team about how the premades are bullying him or trolling him or flaming him and lying about it.

Yes, I get it, there are people who gang up on you, but that doesn't mean you should believe anyone who tells you "the premades are screwing me over". One recent game, the Jayce on our team fed his laner, and tried to blame the loss on us for picking a weird comp bot despite us never going mid, and the enemy midlaner never going bot. When I copied something he said to our Kled to all chat, he called me a liar and begin to lament about how premades gang up on him, then proceeded to troll and do nothing the whole game.

Guys, come on. Just because I'm playing with a friend/friends doesn't mean I'm trolling you. If I tell you, please stay under tower because so and so, I'm not bullying you. And if me and a friend play off meta lanes that is working or not doing too bad, that doesn't mean we are trolling.

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Ben Sharpio2 votes

Who cares if they're not all toxic. A majority of Solo Queue players would agree that some of their worst experiences playing this game have been from premades.

StarTorched3 votes

But you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. What's the point of immediately distrusting premades? That's both pointless and detrimental. Majority of all players would agree that some of their worst experiences have been from solo queuers, blah blah blah. If you had a horrible troll who ruined your experience, would you start distrusting everyone who are solo queueing? probably not, because that's ridiculous.

Ben Sharpio2 votes

No i'd think about all of my solo queue experiences, and then remember that "holy shit, literally every premade ive had to play with has made the game i'm in with them a completely worthless experience"

Only in a dynamic queue environment would a solo queue player get

-0 communication -0 ganks (because you know how premades only care about themselves) -0 shotcalling potential -100% of the blame

It's not ridiculous, this is actually the reality of dynamic queue.

BIFF1 votes

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Only in a dynamic queue environment would a solo queue player get

-0 communication -0 ganks (because you know how premades only care about themselves) -0 shotcalling potential -100% of the blame

It's not ridiculous, this is actually the reality of dynamic queue.

This has been my experience 98% of the time. The other 2% consists of no communication from teammates not even a ping. left out of group fights. and kind of just tagging along hoping that they'll let me know when they want to do team things.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

You guys have really bad luck or something.

StarTorched1 votes

As a premade, whatever we say in call consists of jokes, and we call our mias with pings and such because some of our friends prefer typing over talking, etc. We don't really leave out the random unless they died 0/4/0 in their lane AND flames/int/rages at the jungler or all of us for not helping. Maybe that's just us, but I shouldn't have to prostrate myself to you or suck your dick just because I'm in a premade group and that is something you immediately associate with trolling or bad experiences.

And once again, did you keep track and tally up all the premades you've met so far vs your experience in that game? The reality is that while it might have happened a lot (unfortunately) that you just think it's really often in the game, and because of your expectations about premades you find more fault with them, as opposed to the other solo queue who also didn't communicate, etc etc, but you just didn't notice because your attention was elsewhere.

StarTorched1 votes

I would say that means you can't quite remember every single premade you've played with. How long have you been playing? Can you even remember all the games you've played? That's really quite hard to do.

Gary B Enkelis3 votes

A majority of Solo Queue players also lose after purchasing item 1001 .

Keepe1 votes

Report boots. Troll and AFKed.

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

Most of the time its the premade's collective rating boosting their MMR via dynamic and being completely contemptuous in regard to teammate's calls while still being a bunch of randos when it comes to ruining games.

I've literally had a team of 3 just give me the finger and throw despite being right on every call and helping them lane with ganks. Others just go full cocky and troll if they're winning because nothing is dumb as all of us.

StarTorched2 votes

I'm saying don't judge a group of premades just because they are premade. There shouldn't be immediate hostility because "oh look, bot and mid has the same club tag". Which is the mentality some people take. I shouldn't have to tread extra carefully around someone just because I'm in a premade group and that's somehow suspicious. If I just say "Hey you, please help us do this, or please stop charging ahead", I shouldn't immediately have the guy calling foul and saying that I'm attacking his person in some way.

BIFF1 votes

I think its a completely justifiable mentality to expect the premade to screwed me over. When in the past most premades HAVE screwed me over.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Telephone Booth2 votes

Yup most people just assume you're being an arrogant prick when you give advice or try to come up with a game plan. It's ridiculous.

Loner Nerd1 votes

Premades are the only mode that should exist in this game. Solo queue shouldnt exist. And if you are paired with a premade you should be thankful that you have people to play with.

StarTorched1 votes

That comment and your name together makes an ironic picture.

Anyway, my point is that you shouldn't judge premade. I mean, making solo queue nonexistent would be impossible, not to mention a bad business/game making practice, but I'm glad you are least don't seem to immediately reject the idea of having premades.

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