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Team fighting or splitting, and gold attitude

DrunkleGragas··1 votes·597 views

Hey, I just wanted to write this just to vent a little bit and try to figure out the situation I was in last night. I was playing normals with a friend (mostly due to the fact that I absolutely hate playing ranked, I'm bronze 4 due to this) and we got into a game. Our team comp was me as jungle gragas, lux support, ezreal adc, pantheon top and this kennen mid. We had this silver 2 mid laner who was gold last season and the season before so I thought this was going to be good. Well it was good but we had top DC but he came back. We were rough in the early game but it started to be good until it got I to around late game. Our kennen was only wanting to split push and he said he would to when team fights start. The only problem is that it takes a while to to so I was asking if he could stay with us so we could actually win team fights since we were always being in 4v5 due to kennen only wanting to splitpush. I kept telling him please just stay with us but he ignores me and starts calling us awful and he keeps getting caught out while pushing, even though the build he has isn't the best for pushing. We lose a 4v5 team fight because the enemy engages on us and I get stunned, not letting me disengage. After most of us are dead, kennen comes in and tries to 1v5 and dies instantly. In the endgame lobby, he starts telling me how God awful I am and saying that I'm so bad because I'm bronze. I was getting aggravated but I never called him bad or anything. I'm tired of being assumed that I am an awful ayer because I don't enjoy the challenge of ranked.

TL,DR: when there is a comp specifically designed with strong team fight, is it ok for the best team fight aspect to ignore the team and leave the team disadvantaged?

15 Comments

Awkward Couch1 votes

  • Kennen is actually really good at split pushing, mostly because of his w and e even without many items. Split pushing isn't the worst idea especially if he's behind.

  • There's nothing wrong with just splitting, I do it all the time on Singed or Nasus. When I play Singed, it's rare that you'll see me at a team fight.

  • If you have 1 member split pushing, it's best just to stall as long as possible. You'll probably lose the team fight, but if your split pusher is doing their job, you should at least trade a tower or even an inhib for 2-3 deaths, and I'd say that's probably worth it. Especially if you take a few of the enemy down too.

  • Kennen going in 1v5 after the fact, that's just dumb, but they were probably tilted at that point, and there's nothing you can really do.

  • If you don't want people to call you bronze, don't play ranked next season. Honestly, if you aren't going to put the effort to climb the ranks, I don't think its worth it. I was stuck in Bronze for years, I really wish I didn't play ranked then. I'm debating if I really want to climb to gold to get that skin, I don't really enjoy ranked either.

  • I wouldn't say your team is the best at team fighting, you have a lot of AOE damage, Kennen ult, Lux ult, Ez ult, panth ult if he can land it. But with the Gragas pick, your ult pushes people away. Personally, I would have rather seen a Rek Sai' pick or a Zac, both are tanky, deal some good damage, and hold the enemy in place, more than displace the enemy like Gragas does. But those are just my thoughts.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

Yeah I main gragas and I feel like he can be put in almost any team comp and work with it. I had damage in my runes and masteries and went tank with my build. I even bought a protobelt to follow up after my combo. I just felt that we would win even with my pick. It just made me aggravated that kennen insisted I was awful when we were always outnumbered.

Thanks for the critique tho, I'll remember next time.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

There's your problem right there.

Gragas is just no good for low elo teams or players.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

I mean most of the time I don't do bad and find that I can help my team by peeling and initiating fights that we can win. That gragas nerf on his ultimate I will admit makes it very aggravating to initiate or peel properly though

Kei1431 votes

more of a gameplay question than behavior question.

personally, I'd say stick with the team due to super AoE comp and grass to peel for adc. But then again, I'm bronze2, what do I know.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

Yeah I don't use the boards enough and I was trying to figure out which category to put it in lol

ShinkoMinori1 votes

You are a brony man

Morality Coach1 votes

Jungling requires premium decision making. If you are at the point mentally where split pushing freaks you out, then mentally you aren't ready for the jungle role.

Try playing tanky support for awhile if you really do want less BMs.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

It didn't freak me out I was just suggesting that kennen could stay with us instead of just leaving the rest of us to crumble and he ignored me. Even the support was suggesting it but he only wanted to split and tp late for an ultimate when we crumbled

Morality Coach1 votes

Telling someone not to split push when you are behind in teamfights shows me you aren't ready for the jungle role also. Consider tanky support for a year or so.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

I can't play bot Lane to save my life. Its just something about duo lanes that I just can't handle and I simply just don't enjoy it. I feel a lot more comfortable playing jungle knowing that I can influence the early game and mid game with someone like gragas.

However when I don't play jungle, I play top and I don't mind top at all. I'm just saying it's better for 5 people to be wrong than one person leaving the rest of the team alone to be right.

Thanks for the message though, I will keep that in mind.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Well that's shitty that Kennen was being a dick about it... but with his gold potential and your bronze potential, maybe you should have just listened to him? If he's splitting (and he actually had the courtesy to let the team know his plan) then you should go okay he wants to do that, so what do I do? Ask him not to? Or play along since he's probably the best player on the team?

You should have played along and just watched ur minimap to assist his splitting. When he gets up in lane, you wanna get up too, but not close enough for the enemy to fully engage on you. You wanna bait them into staying in your lane while Kennen is in another. If they go towards Kennen, ping him and either take a tower while they go to him, or if there are any stragglers, poke them down while they're on their way... maybe even picking one off completely. Splitting doesn't necessarily mean Kennen is going to get a tower... most of the time it's the other 4 that get the tower while everyone goes after the splitter.

DrunkleGragas1 votes

I tried to listen to him and we kept getting destroyed in our attempts to keep their attention on us. We weren't engaging or trying to stay close or anything like that and I was just asking him if he could join but he kept ignoring us as if he could win the game all by himself.

I also feel it is better for 5 people to do the "wrong" thing than 4 doing the wrong and 1 doing the right. The numbers still leave each other weak.

I understand what information you are putting forth though and will take that into account.

Telephone Booth1 votes

{quoted}

I tried to listen to him and we kept getting destroyed in our attempts to keep their attention on us. We weren't engaging or trying to stay close or anything like that and I was just asking him if he could join but he kept ignoring us as if he could win the game all by himself.

I also feel it is better for 5 people to do the "wrong" thing than 4 doing the wrong and 1 doing the right. The numbers still leave each other weak.

I understand what information you are putting forth though and will take that into account.

Ya ofc it's a lot more complicated than what I said. Splitting is weird... some teams destroy you because of it and some get destroyed by it. Idk man I'm glad you didn't take it as me being an asshole.. I'm only silver 3 so I shouldn't talk as if I know what's best lol. Good luck in the future!

DrunkleGragas1 votes

Thanks man, I'm glad you weren't being an asshole. Makes my games so much better.

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