Low Elo Supports

TenthCommandment·Feb 20, 2020·1 votes·3,320 views

Listen buddies. Stop hitting the minion wave when you have no idea how to manage minion waves. Maybe your ADC doesn't understand how minion wave management works either, but don't. Maybe they do and you could screw up the whole minion wave. It's not game deciding usually, but it definitely can change who's in the lead of bot lane. When I play in low elo ADC, this is a very common and annoying thing that happens. It doesn't define me losing the game, but god it's annoying being 200 gold away from B.F. sword on my first back and I can't stay in lane or else I'll die and I see that sona has 6 minions somehow or just made me miss minions. Something a lot of supports do including in diamond 4 elo, is use abilities that also hit minions when they're low. For example, Sona will try to q poke through minions since it prioritizes champs when they're also in range, though 1 q will hit the enemy ad, and the 2nd will hit my cannon that I was waiting to get low so I can last hit which results me in losing so cannon. Or Xerath who tries to Q to hit enemy laners, but neglect to realize they hit the entire minion wave basically forcing you to shove into their tower or setting a slow push. Sometimes they just take all your cs that way because caster minions aren't that tanky or u lowered some minions. TLDR; Stop using ablities that will hit minions too while trying to poke. It ruins cs and wave management.

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Creamy EeveeFeb 20, 20208 votes

Low Elo ADCS

Listen pals. Stop hitting the enemy bot when you have no idea how to manage health. Maybe your support doesn't have cooldowns or abilities to peel yet. Maybe they do and you could screw up the whole lane. It's not game deciding usually, but it definitely can change who's in the lead of bot lane. When I play in low elo Support, this is a very common and annoying thing that happens. It doesn't define me losing the game, but god it's annoying being 200 gold away from forbidden idol on my first back and I can't stay in lane or else I'll die and get tower dove 1v2. Something a lot of adcs do (including in diamond 4 elo) is face tank an enemy adc and get caught by the enemy support's cc. For example, Tristana will try to auto poke through minions when they're also in the enemy's wave, though 1 auto will hit the enemy adc, and the enemy support will cc my trist that I have to flash so I can get in range which results me in burning heal. Or Ashe who tries to Q to hit enemy laners, but neglect to realize they are exposed outside the wave basically forcing you to rescue them or them dieing then me. Sometimes they just die that way because they got greedy, aren't that fed or got cocky. TLDR; Stop facetanking the enemy laners while trying to poke. It ruins summoner spells and exp.

No one suspects Neeko to not be Neeko and to be not Neeko instead.

TenthCommandmentFeb 21, 20201 votes

Honestly you're comment is really funny, but it's not in the same sense as me complaining about supports. Yours involves people dying and mine is just losing cs which is annoying. It's not comparable, that's just the adc inting. If I were to convert your structured variation of my statement, it would have to do with how supports will go in to poke the enemy bot laners and die instantly by getting hooked or something. That's a very different thing than support players hitting minions for no reason. i wouldn't complain about supports inting like that for no reaosn, cause that's inting no matter the role, but support players hitting cs for no reason, I just want to know what's going on in your brains lmao. There's a comment I made showing an example of what is good and bad when supports hit minions.

RebeccaUCuberFeb 20, 20203 votes

While trying to avoid the wave Is good when you poke as support, doing some autos at the wave gives lane pressure and avoids bad situation like the Classic 4v2 dive Fiesta in bot lane. ADC cant apply priority alone in all matchups, so giving a Little pressure gives so much advantage that 2 Minions don't make the difference.

Then there are support Who just Perma shove like you said...and that Is not good at all.

TenthCommandmentFeb 21, 20201 votes

I'm well aware the adc can't always get lane priority pushing alone and supports should help shove in the wave as well. The issue I have that everyone else here is neglecting to realize for some reason, probably cause they do this themselves, is when supports just do it for the sake of it. There's literally no point, all it does is make the aggro of the minions stroke out and then you're not sure how to cs anymore. Whenever the enemy bot laners have left lane and you need to shove in, yes thanks for helping me shove in wave. when I'm not strong enough to last hit a caster under tower, thanks. Though when the support uses their zyra plants to fend off the enemy bot laner and the plant ends up damaging a bunch of the caster minions to have hp where I cant cs them and they all die to one turret auto is when I have an issue. For some reason that seemingly happens all the time.

TenthCommandmentFeb 21, 20201 votes

Here's an example of what I'm complaining about. https://gfycat.com/obedientweepyequine It would've been significantly easier to cs that had the zyra did nothing there. I have no idea why she did that, but all it did was make csing inconsistent and difficult.

Here's what is GOOD to do. https://gfycat.com/ediblecleancomet She's shoving in the wave which gives us a good recall and potentially makes the enemy laners miss cs/xp.

Bad https://gfycat.com/bouncycolossalhoki All she did was make me miss a cs and make the other 2 overly complicated to get, unfortunately my q hitbox teleported to the left minion so I missed 2 instead of 1.

The bad ways she hit the minions is something lots of supports players do for some reason. Though I see hardstruck silver and bronze players replying as if they know what they're talking about. You don't and I'm sure you're the players to do the stuff the zyra did. It's annoying and you should stop.

hyperion3182Feb 20, 20202 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant ---> wrong category buddy.

Kei143Feb 20, 20202 votes

Skill capped challenger says otherwise.

https://youtu.be/d56866Xb4G0

Read the comments afterwards as well.

Unker139Feb 21, 20202 votes

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Listen buddies. Stop hitting the minion wave when you have no idea how to manage minion waves. Maybe your ADC doesn't understand how minion wave management works either, but don't. Maybe they do and you could screw up the whole minion wave. It's not game deciding usually, but it definitely can change who's in the lead of bot lane. When I play in low elo ADC, this is a very common and annoying thing that happens. It doesn't define me losing the game, but god it's annoying being 200 gold away from B.F. sword on my first back and I can't stay in lane or else I'll die and I see that sona has 6 minions somehow or just made me miss minions. Something a lot of supports do including in diamond 4 elo, is use abilities that also hit minions when they're low. For example, Sona will try to q poke through minions since it prioritizes champs when they're also in range, though 1 q will hit the enemy ad, and the 2nd will hit my cannon that I was waiting to get low so I can last hit which results me in losing so cannon. Or Xerath who tries to Q to hit enemy laners, but neglect to realize they hit the entire minion wave basically forcing you to shove into their tower or setting a slow push. Sometimes they just take all your cs that way because caster minions aren't that tanky or u lowered some minions. TLDR; Stop using ablities that will hit minions too while trying to poke. It ruins cs and wave management.

I've been yelled at for hitting the minions and I've been yelled at for not hitting the minions. Supports can't win either way.

TenthCommandmentFeb 21, 20202 votes

Every role gets flamed someway some how, this is just a strange issue i find that I'm trying to figure out why happens.

AccurateYeetFeb 21, 20202 votes

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I've been yelled at for hitting the minions and I've been yelled at for not hitting the minions. Supports can't win either way.

I mean there's literally a known and correct way to do it, so there's an easy way to win if you learn to last hit under tower and don't mess with the wave otherwise.

IcyShadow11Feb 26, 20201 votes

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I've been yelled at for hitting the minions and I've been yelled at for not hitting the minions. Supports can't win either way.

I usually ping help over the wave to help push, supports end up standing there or they take them instead of just lowering them for myself to cs.

As an adc I usually call back when I'm low on mana and hp, and I will ask for help. I also back after having enough gold, so again I ask for help to push unless I have mana to do it myself. Other times include when we win a fight and force the enemy to recall or when they die. I only recall though after pushing the wave under their tower. That way I miss the least amount of cs while they miss a ton more as the wave pushes back slowly. By the time I'm back in lane I get a nice juicy wave to farm.

Another big reason you would need to help push would be if drake is up, and we're all ready to take it. Help "push," but don't take cs. Now you have lane priority, and enemy adc loses either way. He either stays his farm to get cs and push wave under your turret, or he rotates with you to drake pit and misses the farm as the wave pushes back to your adcs side.

IFFF you are a solid bot lane, and you guys are manhandling the opposition. It is a great idea to freeze the wave on your side of the lane, and zone the enemies away from exp. AGAIN, this is a big big IF. It is very rare to find a good duo bot lane. Usually supports don't understand the method of zoning out. Or they will break the freeze. Regardless, this keeps you guys fed on exp and gold, while you're opponents don't even dare get close to get exp.

GatekeeperTDSFeb 20, 20201 votes

Queue for support if you're so good at it.

NF RemiliaFeb 20, 20201 votes

Stop hitting the minion wave when you have no idea how to manage minion waves. Maybe your ADC doesn't understand how minion wave management works either,

Then whats the problem? they both have no idea what the F they are doing lol

Smiling FrogFeb 20, 20201 votes

Only bad adc will stay in lane for bf sword, after killing ennemy on the lane you push the wave and recall so your support can go near mid maybe gank or deep vision on the ennemy jungler its called tempo and macro. lets talk about adc that dont heal the support during a trade.