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Perm banned for telling an idiot who is clearly feeding on my team to not come bot?

Cautionz··2 votes·768 views

What is this trash? I mean yea my chat log will show me complaining about various things, the riot pathing because someone got away with 1 hp (it's what some people do, they have to say something so I said THIS PATHING) literally didn't cuss one time.

Ziggs 0/6 mid, he then says "ok im done mid im coming bot" and proceeds to give them 2 kills, then goes back mid, keep in mind im the adc, so im bouncing from this lane to this lane to accommodate his choices to just decide he's going bot so I must go mid.

Dude is passive aggressive the entire game, yet I get permma banned? I realize it takes quite a few bans to get to this point and I get that, but you cannot look at the entire chat log and tell me I deserve a chat ban for 1 game out of probably 30 or so I've played since last being banned.

Of course I was negative in the game, but you shouldn't be able to be perm banned for being negative while your mid is CLEARLY trolling and being passive aggressive. That just doesn't seem fair in the slightest.

No cussing, I didn't call him names, I literally told him to ward, when he refused to ward I said you would be more useful sitting inside the base, and that is not flaming, that is a fact at this point, he's 0-8 and clearly inting and refusing to surrender early.

No way that deserves a permanent ban, and it was literally 5 seconds after the game ended, so how does anyone even have time to review something like that?

Is that really how this works? He has a completely terrible game and plays the passive aggressive game and just continues to ruin peoples games while acting like he's trying, meanwhile I tell him to ward, play safe, sit in base if he can't stop dying and I GET perm banned? His actions lead to me telling him how to fix it, it's not the other way around.

36 Comments

redniwediS5 votes

Chat logs or no one will take your post seriously.

o brigid o4 votes

Honestly doesn't even sound like we need the chat log. Although if you provide it, any doubt can be removed.

The other players' behavior doesn't ever justify your toxicity.

Each player is held responsible for their actions no matter what other players do. This is what the report feature is for. It is neither your job nor your right to punish other players by harassing them in game.

You don't get banned for just one game unless you are extremely toxic in it. However, bans build up over time due to multiple instances. This one game was just the last straw.

If you haven't been previously banned or chat restricted before and just got permabanned for your first punishment, I guarantee you that your chat log will include zero tolerance behavior in it.

Cautionz1 votes

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Honestly doesn't even sound like we need the chat log. Although if you provide it, any doubt can be removed.

The other players' behavior doesn't ever justify your toxicity.

Each player is held responsible for their actions no matter what other players do. This is what the report feature. It is neither your job nor your right to punish other players by harassing them in game.

You don't get banned for just one game unless you are extremely toxic in it. However, bans build up over time due to multiple instances. This one game was just the last straw.

If you haven't been previously banned or chat restricted before and just got permabanned for your first punishment, I guarantee you that your chat log will include zero tolerance behavior in it.

I have been, I knew this was a perm ban if I got reported again, I just had no idea that you could be perm banned for being negative lol, that seems insane, I was fine until ziggs came bot trolling after he was 0-6, should blame the thing that started the entire ordeal, not someone who was baited into responding.

o brigid o2 votes

I just had no idea that you could be perm banned for being negative

Have you read the summoner's code? [Edit] You can read it here or if you make another account. You have to agree to its terms before you're ever allowed to play a match on league. It would be wise to actually know what rules you agreed to.

Also your chatlog is beyond negative. It's insulting to other players and inflammatory in general. This is not constructive. You were not just giving suggestions. You were being an asshole.

Cautionz: ziggs can you hit a spell plz? Cautionz: yea you're reported Cautionz: for sure Cautionz: being an idiot on purpose

Cautionz: what are you doing Cautionz: ???????????????????

Cautionz: ziggs is 0-7 Cautionz: at this point he's better off standing in the base

Cautionz: yea, you'd be more useful standing in base Cautionz: that is the truth Cautionz: report me j4, I really dont care lol, he fed mid while not warding or even trying not to die, then came bot and fed kills

Cautionz1 votes

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Have you read the summoner's code? You have to agree to its terms before you're ever allowed to play a match on league. It would be wise to actually know what rules you agreed to.

Also your chatlog is beyond negative. It's insulting to other players and inflammatory in general. This is not constructive. You were not just giving suggestions. You were being an asshole.

you literally just called me an asshole, which is worse than anything I did in that game. I literally didn't call him or any other player a single thing. So by that logic you should be banned, right?

Chermorg4 votes

In addition to what Psychicgammarays says, your 14 day suspension message makes clear that any further negative behavior will result in a permanent ban, thus I'm not sure where your confusion stemmed from. If the 14 day ban message was confusing or unclear that's a topic for another thread.

Cautionz1 votes

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In addition to what Psychicgammarays says, your 14 day suspension message makes clear that any further negative behavior will result in a permanent ban, thus I'm not sure where your confusion stemmed from. If the 14 day ban message was confusing or unclear that's a topic for another thread.

So ... the previous 30 or so games I've played since that ban don't come into account? I legit was negative for a game, like yea I agree I was negative, but I didn't hurt any other player by what I said, I didn't call anyone a name or die 8 times clearly on purpose to grief others. I guess it would be much better to be the passive aggressive player who is 0-9 and waste 20 minutes of your time but as long as I act like I'm trying it's fine right? Literally makes no sense.

Just doesn't make sense, if they don't want to see what I type all they have to do is mute me, no one complained outside of ziggs and the other team because ziggs made it seem like I was the one trolling lol, the other team didn't see anything in team chat, just what ziggs said in all chat

o brigid o2 votes

Firstly, 30 games really isn't that much in the grand scheme of most league accounts. Secondly, after being banned for two weeks, you were essentially on probation. Even one infraction was going to land you in the dog house, and your 14-day ban message would have told you that ANY further negative behavior was going to get you banned forever. You should have been on your ultimate best behavior.

Chermorg3 votes

To be quite frank, if you are negative in 1/30 games, that means that over 3% of players that you play with have to experience a negative game because of you. That is nowhere near an "acceptable" level of negativity and is the very definition of "toxic".

While there is no truly acceptable level of negativity, the system will look past the one game in a blue moon of negativity as you having a bad day so long as you are not exceedingly toxic in one game. That being said, given you were supposed to be on your best behavior after your 14 day ban, if this was your best, it's not acceptable.

Just doesn't make sense, if they don't want to see what I type all they have to do is mute me, no one complained outside of ziggs and the other team because ziggs made it seem like I was the one trolling lol, the other team didn't see anything in team chat, just what ziggs said in all chat

First of all, if Ziggs was making you unhappy with his chat, why did you not just mute him?

Second, the mute button is not there as an excuse for you to be negative. As I've seen it put (cannot remember who put it this way first, and this is a paraphrase): "I mute so I don't have to deal with your negativity, I report so others never have to deal with your negativity".

Cautionz1 votes

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To be quite frank, if you are negative in 1/30 games, that means that over 3% of players that you play with have to experience a negative game because of you. That is nowhere near an "acceptable" level of negativity and is the very definition of "toxic".

While there is no truly acceptable level of negativity, the system will look past the one game in a blue moon of negativity as you having a bad day so long as you are not exceedingly toxic in one game. That being said, given you were supposed to be on your best behavior after your 14 day ban, if this was your best, it's not acceptable.

First of all, if Ziggs was making you unhappy with his chat, why did you not just mute him?

Second, the mute button is not there as an excuse for you to be negative. As I've seen it put (cannot remember who put it this way first, and this is a paraphrase): "I mute so I don't have to deal with your negativity, I report so others never have to deal with your negativity".

I didn't report him though lol, because I don't get omegalul butthurt over some words over the internet. I was just responding in a way that wasn't like I was calling him names or anything.

o brigid o2 votes

The report button is there to be used. If you don't report rule breaking, players won't get punished for it. Just because you didn't explicitly say, "You're a _____," doesn't mean you weren't toxic.

You did say he was being an idiot. You shame him for his score. You essentially called him useless since you told him you'd be better off if he wasn't playing and just stayed in base. And your entire chat log is negative. You harassed him all game.

None of that is okay. None of that should seem okay to you. And if another player was behaving like that toward you, you should absolutely report them.

Chermorg2 votes

While you may not have reported them, that does not make your behavior, nor theirs, acceptable. Very likely someone uninvolved reported you for your behavior - time and time again when a Rioter comes to clarify someone's suspension they will make sure to say that there were uninvolved players who reported.

Your behavior is not in a bubble - you cannot limit your text to only one person (or a couple). The most you can do is limit it to team-chat, but then 4 people still see it. Any one of those four could have been impacted by your negativity, reported you for it, and your punishment would be considered valid.

Imagine if only the victim of an assault, who is unconscious, could call the police. "Oh, sorry, we can't actually investigate that because you weren't the one it was directed at".

Cautionz1 votes

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While you may not have reported them, that does not make your behavior, nor theirs, acceptable. Very likely someone uninvolved reported you for your behavior - time and time again when a Rioter comes to clarify someone's suspension they will make sure to say that there were uninvolved players who reported.

Your behavior is not in a bubble - you cannot limit your text to only one person (or a couple). The most you can do is limit it to team-chat, but then 4 people still see it. Any one of those four could have been impacted by your negativity, reported you for it, and your punishment would be considered valid.

Imagine if only the victim of an assault, who is unconscious, could call the police. "Oh, sorry, we can't actually investigate that because you weren't the one it was directed at".

im sure there is, as he was in all chat talking massive amounts of garbage saying im flaming him and what not, typical victim card, not surprised though as this current generation is insulted by anything and everything. Maybe league just isn't for me, too many soft ass people play this game.

zPOOPz1 votes

YOU are playing the victim card right now... You blame your punishment on other people instead of accepting what you did. I wonder who's the soft ass.

o brigid o3 votes

######I appreciate your responses in this thread (and many others). They are more diplomatic and eloquent than I am, or have the patience to be I suppose.

######It's good to have you around. Keep up the great work.

Cautionz1 votes

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To be quite frank, if you are negative in 1/30 games, that means that over 3% of players that you play with have to experience a negative game because of you. That is nowhere near an "acceptable" level of negativity and is the very definition of "toxic".

While there is no truly acceptable level of negativity, the system will look past the one game in a blue moon of negativity as you having a bad day so long as you are not exceedingly toxic in one game. That being said, given you were supposed to be on your best behavior after your 14 day ban, if this was your best, it's not acceptable.

First of all, if Ziggs was making you unhappy with his chat, why did you not just mute him?

Second, the mute button is not there as an excuse for you to be negative. As I've seen it put (cannot remember who put it this way first, and this is a paraphrase): "I mute so I don't have to deal with your negativity, I report so others never have to deal with your negativity".

I am only negative when a teammate feeds, so I guess people just shouldn't go 0-10 and act like they're trying, you have to actually tilt off the planet or troll to go 0-10

redniwediS2 votes

You are negative when you choose to be negative. No one forces you to act that way, you allow it to happen when you see something you do not like.

Take responsibility for your actions.

Cautionz1 votes

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You are negative when you choose to be negative. No one forces you to act that way, you allow it to happen when you see something you do not like.

Take responsibility for your actions.

yea absolutely, as soon as they take responsibility for trolling my game which causes me to be negative, I don't queue up LoL to play with someone out here just looking to waste someones time.

o brigid o2 votes

Unfortunately that only happens if you actually report players who break the rules. You didn't report. And if no one else reported, the system has no way to know about the possible troll activity.

Regardless, you were reported. And you were on your last chance. The system found your behavior to be in violation of the summoner's code. Therefor your were punished.

Cautionz1 votes

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Unfortunately that only happens if you actually report players who break the rules. You didn't report. And if no one else reported, the system has no way to know about the possible troll activity.

Regardless, you were reported. And you were on your last chance. The system found your behavior to be in violation of the summoner's code. Therefor your were punished.

sad days when you can be perm banned for telling someone to quit doing what they're doing and tell them to sit in base. That's pretty unreal.

o brigid o2 votes

That's not what you were permanently banned for. You were permanently banned for displaying a pattern of toxicity over time. After being previously punished and warned about your behavior, you failed to make a change. You were toxic again.

That is what you were banned for. This one instance only adds to a history of toxicity. You were warned. You didn't listen.

In any case, I am finished responding. Good luck in the future, if you try to play on a new account. Hopefully this lesson will help you keep your cool in games and avoid harassing or being mean to other players.

Cautionz1 votes

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That's not what you were permanently banned for. You were permanently banned for displaying a pattern of toxicity over time. After being previously punished and warned about your behavior, you failed to make a change. You were toxic again.

That is what you were banned for. This one instance only adds to a history of toxicity. You were warned. You didn't listen.

In any case, I am finished responding. Good luck in the future, if you try to play on a new account. Hopefully this lesson will help you keep your cool in games and avoid harassing or being mean to other players.

no, I was banned for THIS game, I've flamed before and called people names (all of which I did NOT do in this game) this is just not a chat log worthy of a perm ban.

Chermorg3 votes

There is no appropriate instance to be negative. "Fighting fire with fire" only results in more fire. It does not result in the other player magically becoming better, it doesn't flip their score around or give them kills. All it does is turn a losing game into a losing game where there's negativity in the chat as well.

redniwediS2 votes

Not to derail things too much, but I've got the urge to throw some facts in here for the fun of it.

Fighting figurative fire with figurative fire is always a bad idea, but fire fighters do use fire to help combat wildfires. They move ahead of the fire and do a controlled burn, removing fuel that the wildfire would have used to keep going before it can get there. It creates a fireproof barrier that, when there is room to actually use this strategy, is very effective.

It is also used as a proactive method of preventing wildfires, where they burn areas safely before they become a potential wildfire hazard. Many forest and grassland ecosystems require fires to remain healthy, and have adapted to it long before we came here, so using fire to prevent an uncontrolled fire, at least when it comes to actual fire, is a very useful thing to do.

o brigid o2 votes

Honestly this is just untrue. Even in your own match history you have several games where you are 1/10 or 1/7 or 4/13. Bad games with a LOT of deaths happen. Sometimes things just don't go our way.

I am sure in any of the games where your score looked like that, other players constantly complaining at or about you wouldn't have suddenly made you play better. It would have been pretty awful. Harassing someone for playing poorly is not okay.

Cautionz1 votes

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Honestly this is just untrue. Even in your own match history you have several games where you are 1/10 or 1/7 or 4/13. Bad games with a LOT of deaths happen. Sometimes things just don't go our way.

I am sure in any of the games where your score looked like that, other players constantly complaining at or about you wouldn't have suddenly made you play better. It would have been pretty awful. Harassing someone for playing poorly is not okay.

1/7? 4/13? Naw lol, you didn't see that or a 1/10 on my match history, lie again lol.

o brigid o2 votes

Your match history is available on your boards profile. It's not in your more recent games. But score like that do exist on your account just like they exist on all of our accounts. Because bad games happen. The point of me even bringing it up was to try and help you sympathize, if not empathize with the player you harassed, and to help you understand why your behavior was unacceptable.

Cautionz1 votes

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Your match history is available on your boards profile. It's not in your more recent games. But score like that do exist on your account just like they exist on all of our accounts. Because bad games happen. The point of me even bringing it up was to try and help you sympathize, if not empathize with the player you harassed, and to help you understand why your behavior was unacceptable.

so you picked a 1/10/23 blitz support game that was 40 minutes long as a comparison to his 0-10 ziggs mid in a 20 minute game? Gotcha.

Cautionz1 votes

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Honestly doesn't even sound like we need the chat log. Although if you provide it, any doubt can be removed.

The other players' behavior doesn't ever justify your toxicity.

Each player is held responsible for their actions no matter what other players do. This is what the report feature. It is neither your job nor your right to punish other players by harassing them in game.

You don't get banned for just one game unless you are extremely toxic in it. However, bans build up over time due to multiple instances. This one game was just the last straw.

If you haven't been previously banned or chat restricted before and just got permabanned for your first punishment, I guarantee you that your chat log will include zero tolerance behavior in it.

that is insane if I actually get perm banned for that chat log, I didn't call ANYONE a name, I was just simple complaining about different things and telling our mid who is CLEARLY trolling to ward, play safe, then he refused and talked in chat so I said he would be more useful in the base, that was the truth at the time. How is that perm ban worthy? I realize it takes a lot of reports to get to this point, but honestly I never thought in a million years this chat log would show something worthy of a perm ban at all.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Can you share the chat logs?

Did you have any previous punishments? Like coming off a 14 day ban recently?

Cautionz1 votes

I only have the chat log that shows what I say, not what they say

Void Nargacuga2 votes

That's because you are judged based off your own behavior, not someone else's poor behavior.

Honestly it would suck being banned if I did nothing wrong except being in a game with a toxic player because they had poor behavior. Hence why only your behavior can get yourself punishments.

Cautionz1 votes

Cautionz: thresh? Cautionz: serious? Cautionz: 950 Cautionz: THE PATHING Cautionz: IN THIS GAME Cautionz: IS SO TRASH Cautionz: that pathing is absolutely unreal Cautionz: not only does he live with under 10 hp Cautionz: he is then saved again due to pathing Cautionz: thumbs up rito Cautionz: ziggs can you hit a spell plz? Cautionz: leave bot Cautionz: and dont come back Cautionz: yea you're reported Cautionz: for sure Cautionz: being an idiot on purpose Cautionz: now you go feed bot a kill Cautionz: then come back mid Cautionz: what are you doing Cautionz: ??????????????????? Cautionz: very frustrating game Cautionz: don't have a choice lol Cautionz: ziggs is 0-7 Cautionz: at this point he's better off standing in the base Cautionz: play safe, ward Cautionz: im giving him suggestions lol Cautionz: yea, you'd be more useful standing in base Cautionz: that is the truth Cautionz: report me j4, I really dont care lol, he fed mid while not warding or even trying not to die, then came bot and fed kills Cautionz: so, its w Cautionz: w/e lol Cautionz: shes not busted at all lol Cautionz: dont get hit by her sleeps and shes 100% worthless Cautionz: wasnt even able to ult rofl Cautionz: ok Cautionz: this game is hilarious Cautionz: 1700 dmg from j4 in 1.2 seconds Cautionz: fun times when you aren't able to play your champ Cautionz: or react to anything Cautionz: not even the same Cautionz: but ok lol

that's all I have, keep in mind you cannot see the passive aggressive things he is saying about how j4 camped him and zoe is busted and typing in caps and what not

while this is a negative chat log, it ain't anything that warrants a perm ban at all

redniwediS3 votes

Your punishment was based on what you said and what you said alone. Context does not matter.

Riot uses a tiered punishment system, so outside of cases of extreme toxicity (racial slurs, calling for self harm, and the like) you do not get punished by how bad you have been acting. Here is a flow chart that shows it fairly well.

https://i.imgur.com/ACZhFYu.png

If you are only a mildly negative player, but get reported often enough, you will slowly progress through the punishment stages. Each one is meant as a warning that your behavior is not acceptable and should be changed. At the 14 day ban stage this warning should be impossible to miss, and it should come as no surprise that negative behavior after this point leads to a permanent ban.

Cautionz1 votes

I like the whole "you're part of .006 percent of players negative enough to be permanently banned", that is actually more of an insult than anything I said in the game.

Cautionz1 votes

I guess since it's ok to feed and ruin peoples games I can just queue up another account and go 0-10 as long as I don't say anything in chat but "IM TRYING MY BEST TEAM!"

Sounds fun, think I'll do that.

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