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Can you people explain something to me?

fínćh··1 votes·1,527 views

So this is my 14th account all the others have been perma banned, and this account just got a 14 day suspention, and in the logs were 2 games I played OVER a week ago? how does this make sense? I had an autistic morgana who was teleporting into towers to die faster and somehow I get reported for it? Can you PLEASE fix your report system Riot, I cant stand how stupid you people are. Is the only way to not get banned just not talking at all? If I call someone a big mean doodoo head ill get banned for it, how the fuck does that make sense, the people running the reporting system at Riot must be feminists, thats the only explination.

For all you children who are going to say "sHoW mE thE Logzzz" Here: Game 1 fínćh: I have the big gay :( fínćh: noc u dont have smite xd fínćh: ill carry fínćh: uh fínćh: do I get a support ? fínćh: morg why are you top ... fínćh: hes jugnling fínćh: sure am glad I have a support fínćh: report this morgana fínćh: trolling fínćh: and toxic fínćh: ty morg fínćh: jesus get this %%%% out of my game llol fínćh: youre toxic because youre not bot lane when everyone on our team is telling you too fínćh: get this mentally unstable fucktard out of my game please for the love of god fínćh: why do I get the autistic ones one my team fínćh: a lesson that youre retarded and need to be banned? fínćh: ok fínćh: you'll learn your lesson soon enough fínćh: lmfao fínćh: keep telling youreself that fínćh: he thinks hes not gonna get banned x fínćh: xd fínćh: riiiiiiiight fínćh: morg fínćh: no one is going to report me xd fínćh: you are good zed fínćh: oh shit you have heal fínćh: LOL fínćh: I was just going to accept the death fínćh: hes still feeding xd fínćh: morg you realize no one likes you and everyone was tellling you to go bot lane when you were sitting top fínćh: toxic isnt just talking fínćh: toxic is sitting top lane when you got support and trolling lol fínćh: so what ? fínćh: morg walked into me with brand passive lol... fínćh: youre toxic fínćh: a banned morgana? im ok with that fínćh: hes toxic XD fínćh: TEEMO THE SAVIOR fínćh: hm fínćh: interseting teleport Game 2 fínćh: isntalock trist lol fínćh: hes brain dead xd fínćh: might be a bot fínćh: tried to take my butt !!! fínćh: tf gold card him please fínćh: he walked into me fínćh: . fínćh: mf fínćh: stop fínćh: ping me one more time fínćh: I muted both their ping s fínćh: wow jax shits on me lol fínćh: he has flash still ? fínćh: wow fínćh: didnt think he would s till have it fínćh: yeah report trist please thanks fínćh: our trist is a really good and smart player :) fínćh: why didnt my team come with me ... fínćh: how am I toxic fínćh: when this kid is sitting mid lane lol fínćh: are you dumb fínćh: hes not new fínćh: hes doing it on purpose fínćh: lmfao fínćh: ok fínćh: what the fuck just happened fínćh: as soon as you went on my jax fínćh: my game went down to 2 fps fínćh: a fínćh: And then crashed fínćh: remember mf fínćh: hes new ;) fínćh: no comment fínćh: u didnt need to ult that LOL fínćh: trist come mid fínćh: gg fínćh: end the game fínćh: down mid

And the morgana deserved every word I said to him and hes the only person in the game who reported me when he was running it down mid and dying as fast as he could, he went 0/19 So dont give me some bullshit response like "Oh this is why you got banned"

84 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer8 votes

fínćh: jesus get this %%%% out of my game llol

Hate speech (and calls to self harm) are considered zero tolerance. One offence can get you from nothing to a 14 day ban.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

R u fing me. He was being a dush. He tells him to leave him alone in a sence the morganna was trolling but he gets in trouble. The morganna was being toxic first. I guarantee that he didnt report. Why is he in trouble for telling the morganna to leave. When people r toxic why cant u tell them this, OH WAIT IK, cause u will get banned by ur bs system

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

Oh yea and heres another thing. how are you a moderator. Pls tell me why he deserves a ban. Cause he tell the TOXIC AND TROLLING morganna to f off. What is wrong with this. what about morganna. What punishment is she receiving?

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

moderator probably wont reply. Probably doesn't have anything to say lol.

Imperial Pandaa15 votes

Here let me tell you a little something.

Are you ready?

They aren't a game moderator. They don't work for Riot. The Wolf King is just another member of the community.

Mordius4 votes

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R u fing me. He was being a dush. He tells him to leave him alone in a sence the morganna was trolling but he gets in trouble. The morganna was being toxic first. I guarantee that he didnt report. Why is he in trouble for telling the morganna to leave. When people r toxic why cant u tell them this, OH WAIT IK, cause u will get banned by ur bs system

It doesn't matter who was being toxic first. You participate in toxic behavior, you will get punished.

Did your parents not teach you this growing up?

fínćh1 votes

If someone says your mom's a whore do you just walk away?

Nik Nikerson9 votes

Generally, yes. Because my mom's not a whore, and fighting with a stranger over a lie isn't really worth it.

YerroFever7 votes

{quoted}

I had an autistic morgana

If this is any indication of what may be in your chat logs... you probably said some other awful things to people.

The punishment system takes into account both severity AND frequency.

The current punishment system is like so:

10 game chat restriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day temp ban Perma ban

For minor infractions, you'll get a 10 game chat restriction. For medium infractions, you will get 25 game chat restrictions. For serious infractions, you will get a 14 day temp ban. For severe infractions, you will get a permaban.

  • For lots of minor infractions that would normally get you a 10 game chat restriction, because you already had a 10 game chat restriction, you will get a 25 game chat restriction.
  • For even more minor infractions, after having a 25 game chat restriction, you will get a 14 day temp ban.
  • For even more minor infractions, after having a 10 and 25 game chat restriction and also a 14 day temp ban, you will be permabanned.

This escalation due to frequency can happen at any tier.

If you repeatedly get punished and do not reform, you will keep getting escalated punishments until you stop your toxic behavior or until you are permabanned, whichever happens first.

That being said, you can go down the escalation path if you play lots of clean games. You won't stay up in the red zone forever, but know that it takes time and lots of clean and non toxic games to go down that escalation path.

fínćh1 votes

That being said, you can go down the escalation path if you play lots of clean games. You won't stay up in the red zone forever, but know that it takes time and lots of clean and non toxic games to go down that escalation path.

This last part is complete bs, I got a 14 day ban on my one account, and 4 ENTIRE MONTHS LATER, I got reported again and was perma banned. You will never go down the tiers, only up.

YerroFever3 votes

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This last part is complete bs, I got a 14 day ban on my one account, and 4 ENTIRE MONTHS LATER, I got reported again and was perma banned. You will never go down the tiers, only up.

Tantram has stated that the average punished player gets out of dishonorable standing after 3 months after a 14 day ban. This only shows me that you aren't the average player. You are slightly more toxic than the average punished player, which means you'll need more than 3 months to get back into good standing.

Remember that all of your games are rated on the toxic scale and that if your game has the slightest hint of toxicity, it sets you back.

So during those 4 months, can you say with absolute certainty that you had 0 toxic behavior in every single game you played? This includes never insulting a person, never spamming pings or text, never talking down to anyone, never being passive aggressive, never flaming, never being sarcastic, etc...

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Don't forget amount of games. If you only play 1 game a week, it would take longer than 3 months.

fínćh1 votes

The fact that being "Sarcastic", "passive aggressive", and "Spamming pings" is even considered toxic, is the fault that Riot has, they need to realize that they arent running a day care.

YerroFever2 votes

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The fact that being "Sarcastic", "passive aggressive", and "Spamming pings" is even considered toxic, is the fault that Riot has, they need to realize that they arent running a day care.

Sarcasm and passive aggressive are considered slightly toxic, thus why I still listed it. The purpose of sarcasm and passive aggressiveness is solely to be damaging to someone. It's like poking someone in the arm. It's not super harmful to do it once or twice, but constantly doing it leaves a bruise. Thus why it's slightly toxic. No one wants to be around someone who is sarcastic and passive aggressive to everyone 24/7, ya know?

As for pings, I don't know when you started playing league, but there was a time where we couldn't mute pings and we couldn't lower their volume because they were in the same volume control as game sounds so we would either have to listen to ear piercing sharp pings non stop or mute our whole game and not hear any sounds except our champs talking, the announcer, and background music. This basically meant we were at quite a disadvantage if we wanted to stop some guy from spamming ear piercing noise at someone. What's worse is that everyone on the team heard it, not just the target. This is when the spam ping became a popular harassment method and so Riot gave us tools (ie the ping mute button and also limiting the number of pings someone can do within a time frame) to save our ear drums. Just because there are tools to keep our ears from bleeding, doesn't mean people should try to make them bleed.

fínćh1 votes

I've been playing this game for 4 miserable years

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

yet the troll doesn't get in trouble. You people dont take this into consideration. It doent matter how much of a dush they can be to you in game( take farm, take ur lane, and ks just to piss u off) and nothing happens, But if u say something in chat for this u get in trouble. You say your system is good. How is it good when it doesn't work.

YerroFever3 votes

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yet the troll doesn't get in trouble. You people dont take this into consideration. It doent matter how much of a dush they can be to you in game( take farm, take ur lane, and ks just to piss u off) and nothing happens, But if u say something in chat for this u get in trouble. You say your system is good. How is it good when it doesn't work.

How do you know the troll did not get punished or will never get punished?

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

They dont. Ik they dont cause my friend trolls. As long as he doesn't say anything in chat he will be ok

YerroFever2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Itachi Uchiha929,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Tv1B0q2R,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T20:11:46.688+0000)

They dont. Ik they dont cause my friend trolls. As long as he doesn't say anything in chat he will be ok

Why don't you start reporting your friends who troll in games with you and see if they get permabanned. If you are so confident that they don't get banned, start reporting them and don't tell them they are getting reported. Explain in your reports how they are trolling your teammates and point out specific behavior that your friend does that is trolling.

When they get punished, tell them it was you who reported them and exposed every way they trolled their teammates.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

too late perm ban. Thus they dont troll by feeding or in ranked. I want my account un banned though

YerroFever1 votes

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too late perm ban. Thus they dont troll by feeding or in ranked. I want my account un banned though

So you're saying they don't troll in the most obvious and easy to detect way that was previously used to prove trolling and are using what people now tend to call "stealth trolling" and that the system may need more time to detect stealth trolling and to prevent false positives, take more games into account to make sure they are rightfully banning trolls?

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

hold on. someone said that there is a report button for trolls. Is this true

YerroFever1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Itachi Uchiha929,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Tv1B0q2R,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T21:14:49.601+0000)

hold on. someone said that there is a report button for trolls. Is this true

In a manner of speaking, yes trolling is overall covered by all of the various covered by the current options, but you have to be specific as to how they are trolling you.

If you want to say someone is trolling by running down mid and dying to the enemy over and over, you report them under intentional feeding.

If you want to say someone is trolling you by running around the map and doing nothing, you report them for afk/leaving because they expanded the definition from AFK and not doing anything to AFK and not CONTRIBUTING anything.

If they are trolling you as a Tahm Kench and basically eating you and spitting you out into situations where you're going to die and he runs off, that's griefing.

If they're trolling you through chat, then you report them through verbal abuse.

Etc...

There isn't a sweeping "troll" report button but all of the current methods of trolling are covered because they are trying to make it easier to detect each specific kind of trolling.

fínćh1 votes

Wut, Riot doesnt read what you say in reports, its just there to make you feel better

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Post your logs. If they are anything like the way you just described the Morgana, it will be easy to solve.

Perhaps the problem is you and not the system.

fínćh1 votes

If someone in my game can go 0/19 in 20 mins they deserve to be perma banned, not me. Period. If I didnt have that retard in my game I would have never said anything.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

So you fed a troll?

[zombie-brand-clap]

Don't feed trolls. It is infinitely easier to catch chat infractions.

fínćh1 votes

All 9 people in the game reported him, but somehow his report to me gets me banned XD makes sense

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

It does make sense.

Perhaps they deserve a punishment as well for what he/she did.

You deserve one as well. If you got a game 2, someone in there reported you as well.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

how. He calls out there crap and he gets in trouble. NO. It because your a fing wussy who can not take an insult. Wasn't even to you and your being a dick. He doesn't deserve a ban at all. He called the morganna out on her crap. GJ. and now he is in trouble. SO BS

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

I can take many insults, even despite your poor use of the language. I have yet to even reach the point of being a dick, believe that. I would actually say I am closer being a dick to you because I am correcting you. As to how, he is not in any manner, an official of Riot. He does not get to decide who does or doesn't deserve to be flamed.

Fixing time! Their not there in first line. You're/you are not your in 2nd line. Cannot can be one word but eh. Once again you're not your.

If it helps here are some word tips. Your means you show possession. i.e. "Your mom is a nice lady." You're is better to describe. i.e. "You're a very outspoken person."

There is a location Their is a possession They're is a description.

fínćh1 votes

There is not a single person in the game that wasnt thinking exactly what I said.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Hence why you were punished. Because you couldn't control yourself. Because you felt you had a right to flame someone.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

Whats the problem. The morganna can be a troll and toxic and the game but doesn't get anything. The morgana was being a dush and he gets in trouble for it. Nobody said anything cause they knew they would get in trouble. Hence why does he get in trouble for a trolling dick

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

The Morgana will eventually face their own punishment. They want to make sure it simply wasn't a bad game. This is being played by a level 17 account, there is a slight chance the player is simply shit and they won't ban a player for being simply bad.

Also, you mean douche.

fínćh1 votes

Lets not forget the fact that I have never in my life been banned on a single other game besides league, and yet I have 13 perma banned accounts on this game?

YerroFever3 votes

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Lets not forget the fact that I have never in my life been banned on a single other game besides league, and yet I have 13 perma banned accounts on this game?

There's also probably a reason why Riot's daily login numbers have increased from 4.2 million daily players in 2011 to 12 million in 2013 to 27 million in 2014....

fínćh1 votes

You realize this game is dying right? Their numbers are dropping.

YerroFever4 votes

{quoted}

You realize this game is dying right? Their numbers are dropping.

Where is your proof?

I read your other posts and you're actually not interested in reforming. You just want to complain that you got banned. There's really no point in this thread anymore. You want LOL to be as toxic as CS:GO.

This is Riot's game and if Riot doesn't want that level of toxicity and you do, then this game isn't for you.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

And yet you still can't seem to grasp that maybe LoL isn't for you.

That statement also doesn't work unless those other games share a similar system. Some systems still rely on a lot of manual input, meaning they get backlogged and cases slip. Some systems just place you with other toxic players. This system tries to give you chances to change, but you seem incapable of such.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

or maby the system and community needs fixing. Im not the best LOL player but im descent. People can be jerks in game but if they don't say anything they don't get banned. It is retarded. So maby LOL needs work.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

This is incorrect the system do ban actual trolls and int feeders. Sometimes it may issue the wrong punishment, because it is a learning machine. By wrong punishment I mean it has given a troll a chat ban before.

I take it English isn't your first language. Descent is to go down. The word you want is decent.

fínćh1 votes

"Learning machine" so basically yorure saying the system is garbage and if Riot brought back their manual system where people actually read chat logs, they would see all the wrongful bans that the system has dished out?

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Do you even know how a learning machine works? The system is only issues about .01 false positive punishments. False reports are thrown out.

I would say it works pretty well considering how many "false bans" people claim to have been given have been deserving. Some are from escalation, some from simply being that bad.

fínćh1 votes

Or perhaps those systems are far superior because they dont ban people for being toxic? How about CSGO, a playerbase 10x what league is and they dont punish people for being "toxic" only if you hack

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

And there seems to be a difference you aren't factoring.

Voice chat.

CS GO is mainly communicated with voice comms or "radio" messages. Voice is a bit harder to go over.

Now look at other games that don't use voice. DOTA 2. Abused system that was mainly triggered by number of reports. Not sure if still case for recent. Overwatch. People abused the report system when somebody wouldn't play a certain hero. They actually had to disable their system.

LoL isn't as easy to abuse. False reports mean jack shit. Now if you lack self control and react to people trying, you will get punished. That is on you though.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

Yea, maby he made mistakes in other accounts but why is this one banned? Now is it him or is it the System. IT is the system. Ik cause it doesn't ban trolls. Theres not even a report button for trolls. Im not against trolling but feeding isn't trolling, and it doesnt need to be in raked ether.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

... Have you never actually looked at the post game report section? There is a selection for trolling/int feeding.

Itachi Uchiha9291 votes

wait what

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

So I posted the list on another reply, but they handle reports for each of those separately and differently.

Addressing in descending order.

Unless you verbally admit to giving up, this one is harder to detect.

Easiest out of all to detect asides from fountain afk. Despite what many think there isn't a simple no no list of words to avoid aside from hate speech/encouraging self harm.

Afk runs on a different system than IFS.

Harder to detect because people always wants to scream that someone is intentionally feeding or trolling when in truth they are having an off game or out matched. Granted this isn't always the case, it does make verifying claims more difficult. If you report for this, please include description in the box about what happened.

Hate speech is simply worse verbal abuse. (general look, don't bite my head off.)

They ban scripters and bots in waves to prevent creators from figuring out how to beat the detection system.

Usually force a name change to some of their choice until you pay for a new one.

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