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Ok, I don't get this game.

Zeppelins circus··2 votes·1,165 views

I got a chat restrict while I was on my last checkpoint to honor 1,

The ADC draven basically called support (me) and jungle "idiot". And I not wanted to take part of any of his business so I went to support top. The Draven basically said he will carry on his own. (And since although this IS a gesture, I simply did not even want to go near his gaming avatar because he stank of being a awful person.)

The Draven was still bickering with the jungle and I told him "Well I guess making you have a 30% winrate in ranked is by making enemies on your own team. And making anyone uncooperative." and he flipped the bird and went 4/14/2, while I was 2/2/4.

I did Chastise the Draven and ignored him afterwards it became too tedious, but is this how punishments go? Also our mid unranked lux legit said the N-word and I do not see HER punished at all. Or Draven saying "open bot". Is this it, ONE game of a toxic Draven and I'm down to zero checkpoint after 2 months of racking honors up.

Is the system legit saying I should mute whatever partner I have in botlane just in case his first word is "idiot."?

(The logs had only one game recorded)

Game 1 In-Game Zeppelins circus: going top Zeppelins circus: supporting veigar instead Zeppelins circus: this draven has 30% winrate Zeppelins circus: i dont care. mute him Zeppelins circus: id rather invest in the 65% winrate veigar Zeppelins circus: veig come top. Zeppelins circus: youll lose farm Zeppelins circus: veig Zeppelins circus: come top lmao Zeppelins circus: why are you dealing with these people Zeppelins circus: its obvious they are terrible Zeppelins circus: either way, i refuse to support a adc whose first chat is "idiot" Zeppelins circus: shindeiru Zeppelins circus: TLDR, i should have dodged Zeppelins circus: i Zeppelins circus: refuse to support you go somewhere else Zeppelins circus: lmao Zeppelins circus: i dont care if you won lane or not who cares Zeppelins circus: well you dived the urgot lvl 3 Zeppelins circus: you should have knew that lmao Zeppelins circus: fufufu Zeppelins circus: XD Zeppelins circus: just because i refused to support draven doesnt mean im that bad Zeppelins circus: yes i did Zeppelins circus: he still manages to piss me off with pings though Zeppelins circus: ow Zeppelins circus: who cares about your opinion lmao Zeppelins circus: you are the sole person who started this. Zeppelins circus: you knew this was coming when you flamed your jung and support BOTH at the SAME time Zeppelins circus: it is enough Zeppelins circus: a word is word Zeppelins circus: and you paid for it. Zeppelins circus: and you still went on Zeppelins circus: that is why you have 30% winrate Zeppelins circus: you flame people Zeppelins circus: and they stike back at you Zeppelins circus: no matter how good you do Zeppelins circus: you make enemies on your own side Zeppelins circus: and make it a legit 1v9 Zeppelins circus: lol Zeppelins circus: yeah this draven did nothing to stop the invade and said "idiot" Zeppelins circus: isnt this enough. Zeppelins circus: RUN FOR IT I GOT A KILL Zeppelins circus: anothet game of league Zeppelins circus: another toxic draven main Zeppelins circus: nothing special. Zeppelins circus: well she is unranked. Zeppelins circus: oh you didint know she was? Zeppelins circus: im not joking Zeppelins circus: we actually have a unranked in our gold games Zeppelins circus: im not spiting you for anything Zeppelins circus: its just unfortunate Zeppelins circus: gg! Post-Game Zeppelins circus: at least we can report the lux saying the N word Zeppelins circus: well Zeppelins circus: lets be honest here Zeppelins circus: it was more fun than actually playing the game lmao Zeppelins circus: this 30% winrate draven was so busy blaming people Zeppelins circus: that he doesnt know that pissing off the jung and sup will make him autolose the lane Zeppelins circus: ikr. Zeppelins circus: well at one point she was Zeppelins circus: and she got double kills Zeppelins circus: but again. Zeppelins circus: this draven was overly toxic. and he deserved the experience

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Umbral Regent3 votes

You spent a good lump-some of the match being overly negative, declaring that you refused to support Draven, that you should have dodged, that the team is terrible, pushing blame off onto Draven, and flaming Draven over his 30% winrate.

I don't get how you can be confused about this punishment.

Zeppelins circus1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TMJXTpZP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-02T10:32:05.929+0000)

You spent a good lump-some of the match being overly negative, declaring that you refused to support Draven, that you should have dodged, that the team is terrible, pushing blame off onto Draven, and flaming Draven over his 30% winrate.

I don't get how you can be confused about this punishment.

You see, I cannot see why you can have below 40% winrate which is awful as Ryze's current state, and by my logic is because it is he because he flips the bird on anyone who approaches him. So I told him in his face the obvious fact that he is turning his games into a 1v9 on his first chat in the game.

Am I being punished for telling the truth here. Even the enemy team and jungle agreed on terms on this one.

Umbral Regent2 votes

It really doesn't matter if the entirety of both teams agreed that Draven's shitty winrate was because he did more in-fighting than playing the game.

You flamed him. You got punished. There's really no simpler way to put it.

Which, it's kinda sad, because you spent a good amount of that match flaming Draven over his behavior when you could have easily used a simple saying. "You catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar."

But, rather than say something concise to get the point across without much fuss, we have:

Zeppelins circus: going top Zeppelins circus: supporting veigar instead Zeppelins circus: this draven has 30% winrate

Zeppelins circus: why are you dealing with these people Zeppelins circus: its obvious they are terrible Zeppelins circus: either way, i refuse to support a adc whose first chat is "idiot"

Zeppelins circus: TLDR, i should have dodged Zeppelins circus: i Zeppelins circus: refuse to support you go somewhere else

Zeppelins circus: just because i refused to support draven doesnt mean im that bad Zeppelins circus: yes i did Zeppelins circus: he still manages to piss me off with pings though

Zeppelins circus: who cares about your opinion lmao Zeppelins circus: you are the sole person who started this. Zeppelins circus: you knew this was coming when you flamed your jung and support BOTH at the SAME time Zeppelins circus: it is enough Zeppelins circus: a word is word Zeppelins circus: and you paid for it. Zeppelins circus: and you still went on Zeppelins circus: that is why you have 30% winrate Zeppelins circus: you flame people Zeppelins circus: and they stike back at you Zeppelins circus: no matter how good you do Zeppelins circus: you make enemies on your own side Zeppelins circus: and make it a legit 1v9

Zeppelins circus: yeah this draven did nothing to stop the invade and said "idiot"

Zeppelins circus: anothet game of league Zeppelins circus: another toxic draven main Zeppelins circus: nothing special.

Zeppelins circus: this 30% winrate draven was so busy blaming people Zeppelins circus: that he doesnt know that pissing off the jung and sup will make him autolose the lane

Zeppelins circus: but again. Zeppelins circus: this draven was overly toxic. and he deserved the experience

Like, for real. I personally would hate to have to deal with you rambling on and on about this shit. Just tell the Draven to ease off and be done with it.

Also, I sense a certain irony in you claiming that the reason Draven has a low winrate is because he keeps flaming people and turning them against him...And then flaming him in the same breath.

Your "telling the truth" isn't welcome. Especially when that "truth" is mostly supposition on your part. Keep your "truth" to yourself, and don't flame people.

Zeppelins circus1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TMJXTpZP,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-02T10:46:09.275+0000)

It really doesn't matter if the entirety of both teams agreed that Draven's shitty winrate was because he did more in-fighting than playing the game.

You flamed him. You got punished. There's really no simpler way to put it.

Which, it's kinda sad, because you spent a good amount of that match flaming Draven over his behavior when you could have easily used a simple saying. "You catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar."

But, rather than say something concise to get the point across without much fuss, we have:

Like, for real. I personally would hate to have to deal with you rambling on and on about this shit. Just tell the Draven to ease off and be done with it.

Also, I sense a certain irony in you claiming that the reason Draven has a low winrate is because he keeps flaming people and turning them against him...And then flaming him in the same breath.

Your "telling the truth" isn't welcome. Especially when that "truth" is mostly supposition on your part. Keep your "truth" to yourself, and don't flame people.

Fair enough. I comply.

Beacon Academy3 votes

An eye for an eye makes the world go blind

Gloating about it afterwards is just annoying and places a target on your back.

Zeppelins circus2 votes

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An eye for an eye makes the world go blind

Gloating about it afterwards is just annoying and places a target on your back.

That is...deep. i get it. (How do you even know these words? Where did you learn them?)

Vlada Cut1 votes

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An eye for an eye makes the world go blind

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Despìca Bìll2 votes

Most of the system is automated now, so, if you get enough reports, even in a single game, the bot just hands out punishment without a person ever even looking at it. You can always send in a support ticket, but they rarely contradict the system, and you'll never know whether anything was done about the Draven or not. It's a very ambiguous and unsatisfying system, punishments handed out for minor offenses at times, and blatant violations ignored at others.

I would have done the same thing you did. Regardless of rules or "summoner codes," I refuse to spend my game making an asshole look good. If that means we lose, I'm afraid that's just the way that one goes. Riot has left us with no recourse against rude players other than to mute them and hope they get reported enough. So, I do like you did, and make their game as miserable as they made mine. It won't help me, but, hopefully, the dumbass thinks more carefully next game, and it helps the next person.

Umbral Regent4 votes

...so, if you get enough reports, even in a single game, the bot just hands out punishment...

No, that's not how it works, at all.

The IFS disregards number of reports, as the only number of reports that matter is a quantity greater than zero. If there's any number of reports more than zero, the IFS will review the match.

That's all reports do. Trigger a review. And if the review doesn't find punishable chat, it doesn't punish the player. If it does find punishable chat/chat that breaks the rules, it decides whether it should simply flag the chat for later use, or punish the chat.

Minor infractions (those that get flagged) can build up to the point of a punishment, whereas more serious infractions can get punished outright.

If the IFS solely just handed out punishments based on number of reports...I'd like to see you explain how I've gone four-or-so years without being punished once.

Despìca Bìll1 votes

Probably should have made it clearer that I meant it happens this way some of the time, not all of the time.

Regardless, what you're saying is an exact copy of what Riot has said...and I don't believe them. Saying a system works in a certain way does not mean it does. I hear the same complaints over and over from so many people, I have a hard time believing they're all wrong.

Umbral Regent2 votes

Probably should have made it clearer that I meant it happens this way some of the time, not all of the time.

I have yet to see a case where number of reports alone has led to a direct punishment by the IFS. The only cases I've heard of involving number of reports being made were in regards to the "Support" counterjungle cases (Nunu, Singed), and if I'm not mistaken, those were manual review.

Regardless, what you're saying is an exact copy of what Riot has said...and I don't believe them.

Okay? But, here's the thing. Riot has no reason to lie about how the IFS works (whether it's in the concept of report weighting, or how valid reports can harm Honor Progress), and if you can't bring yourself to believe them, then you'll never understand anything that they do.

You can suppose all you want "well, if you get 9x'ed your guaranteed to get punished", but Riot (the guys who actually know the code 10x better than the playerbase) tell us that that's not how it works.

And, with the Player Behavior department in particular, I see no reason why they would lie. They're not like the Gameplay department whose statements on changes have to be marked as tentative, or the Story, Art, & Sound groups who frequently have to dance around certain statements to maintain an air of mystery and entice players to think more about it.

The PB branch has no reason for dishonesty. They may not tell us about every little detail and minutia about their systems (Honor, IFS), but there are things that they will allow to be said. Like how the IFS only needs one report to review people, and that more reports don't make it any likelier for a person to get punished.

So, whether you like it or not, you really only have two options: Believe what Riot tells you about their Player Behavior systems, or have your statements on the matter regarded as supposition and theories at best.

Saying a system works in a certain way does not mean it does.

I could say the same about your remarks about how the system works. Saying that more reports = more likelihood for punishment doesn't mean that's the case.

(especially when, again, Riot has stated that the IFS does not lean any more or any less towards a punishment based on number of reports.)

I hear the same complaints over and over from so many people, I have a hard time believing they're all wrong.

People who say that they got punished because they got 9x'ed are people who just want an easy out or a reason to lash out against Riot. They'd rather make up nonsensical scenarios where the IFS is rigged and that 9x'ing people is sure to get them banned and so on and so forth...

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that you would put more stock in the words of punished parties who have every reason to lie than the actual game developers who have no reason to steer you wrong.

Despìca Bìll1 votes

Oh dear...you spent a lot of time on that...

Hypothetically, let's say Riot got tired of spending money on having real people review every bullshit report. Hypothetically, let's go on to say they realized they could automate the vast majority of report/punishment cases, and maintain a semi-reasonable degree of accuracy. Further (hypothetically, of course), let's say they actually did that, saved a ton of money in the customer support department, and accepted that the spirit of the law would suffer even as the letter was more-or-less upheld.......Do you see why they might lie about it now? Let's not forget that, at the end of the day, companies exist to make money...they care whether we're happy if, and only if, it impacts their bottom line. Repeating what Riot says in their FAQs as your defense is the equivalent of quoting the government to reassure people that they're not doing anything unethical...conflict of interest, I believe that's called.

I'm not writing a scientific paper on it. I'm saying it feels dodgy and ineffective.

Chermorg4 votes

I would love for you to show me an example of solely number of reports, with no chat at all, has led to a punishment..

It doesn't work that way - ever.

Despìca Bìll1 votes

That's not what I said, although I see why you think it is. My point is, the IFS doesn't check to see if the other person was provoking you, it just looks through the obvious markers in the game data, and then hands out a punishment. If the other guy didn't do anything a computer would catch, he gets off Scot-free unless the case gets referred to a human, which the IFS is designed to discourage. Hell, I've been in games with players who used zero-tolerance words, who didn't get punished...or maybe they did. How the hell would anybody ever know? Those report feedback messages are rare as hen's teeth.

On the flip side of that, since I'm sure you'll disagree with this explanation, too, how about you provide proof that that's not how it works? You know, proof besides, "Riot says so." I'll save you the trouble: I'm voicing an opinion, and so are you. You have nothing objective to back it up, and neither do I. Riot doesn't give forum moderators any more inside info than they do players.

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