Tyler1 70% win ratio but "ruins games" nice logic

NoRefunD1·May 1, 2016·9 votes·3,104 views

Why is a guy who wins more games than 99% of the league community (while being stream sniped and trolled because he's famous) is considered perma ban worthy for "ruining games"? This guy does nothing but climb ladder to challenger and carry people for wins and yet Riot says ruins so many games that he gets perma banned? You can't troll throw games and have a strong win ratio at the same time. It just doesn't add up.

My mind is literally blown at that logic. I'd take him on my team any day of the week in solo que. And telling his team they "suck" isn't perma ban worthy. I see that shit every other game. If Tyler1 was trolling so much he should be in bronze and not be winning more games than 99% of the community.

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GaleWinUnleashedMay 1, 201611 votes

"Ruining games" is not strictly limited to affecting your team's chances at winning. It can also mean creating a negative impact on players' enjoyment of the game.

At the end of the day, games are meant to be fun. Competition can take away some of that at times, but the overall experience over a long period of time should still be enjoyable. Toxicity and other negative behaviors affect everyone exposed to them (whether they'll admit it or not) and greatly reduces the fun had in a particular game.

This sort of behavior is shunned in every type of community, both physical and virtual, for very sound reasons. Don't try to defend an individual at the expense of others. Especially not when the individual in question has had approximately 20 "final warnings" in the last few years.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

Your logic is flawed as well. So you think riot should perma ban trick2g for spam dancing on someone and spamming mastery emote when he gets a kill? Taunting someone is creating a negative impact on someone. Should riot perma ban everyone who likes to spam mastery emote when they kill you? I wish I could request riot perma ban my teammates who spam 20 min surrenders when they lose lane. That's creating a negative impact on me. Tyler1's bans were pretty much due to his chat which in itself is a pretty laughable and arguable topic. He could have been muted and there we go problem solved. So easy to mute someone in game if his chat is negatively affecting you.

GaleWinUnleashedMay 1, 20168 votes

The mute function is not a solution unless you "/mute all" at the beginning of every game. It's a band-aid, meant to prevent further damage from being done. There are far fewer toxic players than there are potential "victims", so logically the most sensible course of action is to try to moderate or change the behavior of the few, not the many.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

Riot has the ability to place a chat restriction on a player. Why not just perma chat restrict him? A guy who plays to win, and wins a lot but throws out a chat violation is way less cancerous than the real cancer that is every other game with the people silently throwing games cause they pissed the lost their lane. That's the shit that goes on undetectable and happens all the time and what really tilts me.

GaleWinUnleashedMay 1, 20164 votes

Doesn't he also do that? I never watched his stream (or any stream for that matter), but from reading the boards the past couple of days, I've heard that he frequently runs and feeds down mid lane repeatedly if he doesn't get Draven.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20162 votes

How can he frequently run down and feed but win most of his games? The mathematics doesn't add up. Numbers don't lie.

GaleWinUnleashedMay 1, 20163 votes

I don't know about the specifics of this particular case, but you can easily get the same role 70% of the time with the new champ select system. Especially if you also fight for it in the lobby when you get assigned your secondary role.

That 70% winrate and the history of feeding on purpose are not mutually exclusive. It's quite impressive, but is more than possible within League's matchmaking system.

BettnachlegerMay 1, 20162 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76IolKclKeg 3 weeks ago .... His stream don't lie.

Edit: Or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHgnudnysw 2 weeks ago (19 april)

MeurtrierrMay 1, 20161 votes

Bro, taunting your enemies is exactly what it looks like, taunting your enemies. It's an attack just like any other abilities.

So if your taunts and your dance can help you win a game, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Taunting and daning can be used as often as Ahri's charm, it's only something every characters can do.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

Why is taunting in chat bannable but taunting with character actions isnt even though they deliver the same message. The whole system is broken.

MeurtrierrMay 1, 20163 votes

First of all, i don't think you believe in your own words. Taunting in chat is obviously worse than taunting in game. I shouldnt even have to explain that. Is there a champion who can tell you that Yo mama so fat she left the house in high heels and when she came back she had on flip flop?? There's no champion who can be as mean as that. They laugh, they dance and things like that. The only one who is toxic at best is one of DR's mundo's laugh. But if it's a problem Riot can always remove it.

Now, i have a question for you. If you become restricted to only say in chat what any champion can say, do you think you can get punished for that? Again, the only thing i can think of is Mund's line. If you say in chat: Mundo think you're a big issy. Then again, you went too far with that.

If taunting is worse than using a simple champion ability, then riot can always remove it or they can punish you in order to prevent you from using taunts.

No instead, if you mis-behave riot can mute you for 5 games or more because that's actually part of the rules.

With that being said, this is Riot's law and enforcement. A taunt for them is obviously just as acceptable to use as any ability.

If you see alistar spamming heals in the middle of no where when he got 100% health, that's clearly not taunting, that's trolling, so there's a difference. Wasting all your mana for no reason only to have 0 left for the team fight is obviously a bannable offense. Even if that alistar end-up winning the game, he was still trolling before that.

Ada WongMay 1, 20162 votes

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Why is taunting in chat bannable but taunting with character actions isnt even though they deliver the same message. The whole system is broken.

Akali Caugh Caugh, throws out insults....

Ada WongMay 1, 20161 votes

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"Ruining games" is not strictly limited to affecting your team's chances at winning. It can also mean creating a negative impact on players' enjoyment of the game.

At the end of the day, games are meant to be fun. Competition can take away some of that at times, but the overall experience over a long period of time should still be enjoyable. Toxicity and other negative behaviors affect everyone exposed to them (whether they'll admit it or not) and greatly reduces the fun had in a particular game.

This sort of behavior is shunned in every type of community, both physical and virtual, for very sound reasons. Don't try to defend an individual at the expense of others. Especially not when the individual in question has had approximately 20 "final warnings" in the last few years.

Define negatively impacting your team.

. Champion Select, Going Master YI, Going anything off meta, is impacting the team. . Your mates refusing to follow up, chasing jungle around the enemy, team refuses to follow up (players impacting the game.) . Role Stealing (Impacts the game) my last game before suspension I feed because of a idiot trolling me.

Define Toxic, Obviously being a douche in chat is toxic, but there are many forms of toxicity from Role Stealing, to Intentionally not being in a fight and costing the game, or even just throwing a fight making it look like an accident, and do players get punished for this behavior (NO they do not.)

At the end of the day who actually enjoys league as a game anymore I have more fun in Over Watch than in League, League is more about advancement now and getting somewhere or trying to rather than for fun IMO but maybe its just because I have played it so much.

RightClickYouMay 1, 20164 votes

Meanwhile, Kaceytron ....

ValyrianBladeMay 1, 20163 votes

It's pretty easy to have a high win ratio when the majority of your games are with players that are a lot worse than you. I mean, if I were to jump on a level 1 account, I'm certain I could beat a 70% win ratio in my first 100 games. If I were to jump on a bronze 5 account with a huge match history, I'm fairly confident I could do the same (arguably easier, since the large history would mean my 'win streak' wouldn't raise my elo absurdly quickly). And here I am, a lowly silver 1 (gold last season).

A diamond/master tier player should have no problem maintaining a huge win ratio. I'm not saying he isn't good at winning (he's good enough to get diamond 1 / master, he obviously is good at the game), just that he's not going to maintain a 70% win ratio at diamond 1 / master tier. Maaaybe 55% at Diamond 1. His ratio is just inflated because by the time he gets in to his elo where he's winning 50-55% of his games, he's getting that account banned shortly thereafter and starts again stomping us silver and gold scrubs.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

Yes but you can't throw games and win at the same time. He's obviously not throwing games if he wins most of his games. So that would mean Riot is banning him for chat violations? That's the injustice of the whole thing. Why not just chat restrict him? The silent people that throw games is the real cancer of this game but they go undetected since they arent chatting.

MeurtrierrMay 1, 20163 votes

If you troll for 30 minutes and you don't troll for the remaining 15 minutes, then for the first 30 minutes, you still trolled.

That's it. If somebody chose to report you even if you won the game, then it can still pass because the fact is, you trolled for real.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

What is trolling then? If your actions aren't causing your team to lose the game then how is that trolling? Does tyler1 run down mid for 30 minutes then decide he's ready to carry the last 15? Would love to see a video of that. He must be better than Faker. Is taking blue buff trolling? If we're agreeing that he's a diamond + player climbing lower divisions then we can agree he's better than his teammates. Him taking blue buff can be the most value added to the team then since being the better player he can maximize it's potential. Show me some examples.

Kei143May 1, 20163 votes

I can do "troll builds" and still win against people whom are lesser skilled than me, typically the B4-B5s.

I'm only in B2, your point?

Typically, I can throw those games all I want and they still don't know how to come back.

And yes, Tyler1 not only trolls / throws. He is also toxic in chat and have gotten 20 accounts permabanned.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

Lol a troll build isn't a bannable offense. If you can win with any build then more power to you. And to throw a game means your actions caused you to lose a game that you should have won. If you win your game then you didn't throw. If tyler1 wins most of his games then he isn't frequently throwing games.

Kei143May 1, 20163 votes

thats just your definition of a throw, and by your definition, he doesn't throw his games.

Maybe him trolling is a better definition? But then again, whats your definition of a troll?

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

The definition of throw is "to throw away a win" that's literally what it means. Why else would the word "throw" be used? To throw a baseball? Urban Dictionary defines it as : "Deliberately lose a game, cause your team to lose."

I consider trolling doing anything to deliberately to lose the game. Now if he won most of his games then was he just occasionally trolling? Does that deserve a perma ban? Last season I ended in plat for the first time. I got there playing kennen every single game going gunblade to rageblade and never getting hourglass. People would call me troll if we lost but hey thats how I won most of my games and was able to climb to the highest point ive ever been. So no I don't consider off-meta anything trolling if you can have success with it.

Kei143May 1, 20162 votes

my throw definition is similar on the lines of throw away a win, but you can throw one part of the game away, but get it back elsewhere. You can throw laning phase, but made it back in mid game decisions. Cos we all know that come backs are possible in League.

So to throw is not to just loose the game, but more like throwing an advantage away, such as overstaying a seige and getting slaughtered as the enemy respawns.

My definition of trolling is more like taking things less seriously and BMing. So its like buying a tri-force on Malphite and slapping people with it. It can also be watching a team mate die and laughing and then running off after they die. Most people I've seen claim trolling to be doing off meta picks / something stuff they regard as stupid.

So by your definition, Tyler1 can not be trolling / throwing games cos there the only outcome is to loose. By my definition, hes definitely trolling / throwing his games, but he can still earn a win off those.

BTW, just because you have an intentional feeder on your team, it doesn't mean that you'll automatically loose that game.

Ricky Spanish DCMay 1, 20162 votes

he wins when he plays against players below him. He is a diamond player, not challenger, and is a completely toxic troll. Its not like he has not been warned before. I agree that he was banned because he was famous, but he is still deserving of it, but tbh his flaming was super funny and he was a good streamer. Riot should have just banned one of his accounts, not him from the game as a whole indefinitely, which seems a bit ridiculous.

NoRefunD1May 1, 20161 votes

If we're saying this guy is trolling enough to get a perma ban then does it matter how good he is compared to who he is playing? If he's trolling and winning at the same time then is he actually trolling? When I think of a troll that deserves a permanent ban I think of a guy going 0-20 intentionally every game causing everyone to lose their games. I don't care if you're as good as Faker.. you can't throw your games and win most of them at the same time. My point is he can't be frequently trolling to cause a negative impact on his team if most of the teammates he plays with wins the game. Unless we are assuming that Tyler1 would be 100% win ratio but isn't because he intentionally lost every game he didn't win. I find that hard to believe.

AdreMay 1, 20161 votes

Isnt he the one who gets banned a lot for being extremely toxic?

42066687May 1, 20161 votes

its sorda what mute is for, perma ban isnt right.... riot made a mute button to stop this, but people never use it, so its not Tyler's fault, its the people who didnt use the mute buttons fault. I would want him on my team any day. different people have different opinions, some are very sensitive, while others just want to win and climb the ladder. well this is LoL were talking about, were aiming to climb the ladder, taking a toxic player isnt gonna happpen EVERY single game, and your most likely to just take it once. he will eventually get tired of it, and people will eventually get use to it and start muting. Just bear one game with tyler, and bear the toxicity for 1 game, you get a free carry, and you get some elo. so some people might like playing with him, if they want to just climb. from my opinion, if you dont do any bad plays he wouldnt be yelling at you in the first place. And we al rage form time to time. A perma ban on tyler1 is just WRONG

Siegfriedx1May 1, 20161 votes

People made weapons and martial arts for self defense, but woman don't use it. So it's not the rapist fault when a woman gets raped.

I understand that this kind of bacterian thinking is not exclusively of their fault [people that uses it]. We grow this kind of idiotic line of reasoning when we don't give enough attention on sharing information with others or addressing the consequences of actions, like calling someone bad names, to people that make it around us.

I will be not talking about Tyler, although i agree with the punishment, as this kind of thing exist even outside the game and behavioral issues is a deeper problem than just this player. What i will be saying is that maybe this kind of outrage to Tyler ban can be used as an important argument, so we can have a "behavior consequences week" when riot could make videos explaining the consequences and SHOWING the consequences of certain types of small behaviors on league.

A peaceful and respectful way to impact the community where we need most. Our heads.