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Too harsh tribunal ban due to a 4v5

HairyDanglers··1 votes·980 views

So recently, i was perma banned by the tribunal IMMEDIATLY after a game in which my mid fed, and left 1 minute into the game, thus leaving their mid to free roam and counter me in the jungle (There was no way of winning the game) They had a free mid in which they could literally run it down, so i told them to do so and end it because 10-15 mins in our mid still didnt reconnect. Im sure MOST of you have been in this situation before where u had a 4v5 that you KNEW you werent going to win 10 minutes into it, there was no coming back, regardless of the effort put in, however riot refuses to let you FF before 20, even in a 4v5 so you're forced to waste those 20 minutes on a clear loss, and your other players are trolls and refuse to FF when the time actually comes. so you're forced to waste more time. All along the enemy mid is harrassing you in chat because you told them to end the game. Not once did i say anything offensive or harrassing back, I did reply however. Never harrassment though. And for that i get IMMEDIATLY perma banned from the game? My last account action was OVER a year ago, and i literally did nothing in this instance to deserve a ban, the enemy akali simply reported me to be a troll because i told them to end the game, and didnt report the actual leaver, thus resulting in a tribunal ban. I feel this is VERY overreacted, and unfair on my part. I made a ticket, however riot says tribunal bans will not be reversed.... i feel this is a very bad illogical rule especially considering the tribunal are actual players, and we all know how rude, and ruthless the community is, and can be.

To clarify, i DID nothing, and SAID nothing deserving of a ban or punishment of ANY kind. i sat in base AFTER 20 minutes when all inhibs were gone and my other 3 players refused to surrender (We had taken no towers) the game was over. I dont feel as if ANY of this is perma ban, or even punishment worthy. is there no way in getting this ACTUALLY reviewed, and repealed? completely unfair and uncalled for punished because of a leaver, and the ACTUAL harrassing troll made the report, and gets off scott free for being the one who actually deserves some sort of punishment?....

22 Comments

NGNL Asian2 votes

that's bad sportsmanship and you should just at least help the team but u dont have to try and u should release your chat logs to prove you werent harassing

This Is Your Dad2 votes

Admitting to afking and asking for reports in chat trigger a review without judging whether or not you afked or whether or not the person you asked for reports against was in the game or not, as if they were in the game it would be considered harassment. One unfortunate flaw in the system is that you are expected to play with any amount of teammates. It could be a 2 v 5 and if the other player reported you for not trying, you'd be banned for afking a game.

HairyDanglers1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Qcm1hynG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-21T01:44:18.149+0000)

Admitting to afking and asking for reports in chat trigger a review without judging whether or not you afked or whether or not the person you asked for reports against was in the game or not, as if they were in the game it would be considered harassment. One unfortunate flaw in the system is that you are expected to play with any amount of teammates. It could be a 2 v 5 and if the other player reported you for not trying, you'd be banned for afking a game.

The issue is, i WAS trying, i said that so she would stop intentionally trying to hunt me down in the jungle, as she was shit talking and trying to tilt me. What i said wasnt harrassment of any sort, nor did i actually AFK. Also, i didnt ask for a report, she said she was reporting me, hence the ? at the end of the sentence. Regardless, even IF that were the case, which it isnt, i didnt afk. i played as well as i could while being camped by 2 ppl in jg

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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The issue is, i WAS trying, i said that so she would stop intentionally trying to hunt me down in the jungle, as she was shit talking and trying to tilt me. What i said wasnt harrassment of any sort, nor did i actually AFK. Also, i didnt ask for a report, she said she was reporting me, hence the ? at the end of the sentence. Regardless, even IF that were the case, which it isnt, i didnt afk. i played as well as i could while being camped by 2 ppl in jg

Right.... but the issue is riot does not know this! They can only see that someone reported you for afk... and you were claiming to afk in chat. They can't see the master strat you came up with.

HairyDanglers1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Qcm1hynG,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-04-21T01:52:56.275+0000)

Right.... but the issue is riot does not know this! They can only see that someone reported you for afk... and you were claiming to afk in chat. They can't see the master strat you came up with.

Well, i fail to see how this is my issue and not theirs, if i were afk they could clearly see id be like lvl 1-2 at the end of a game? i was behind however, due to being camped by their mid and their jg due to our DC. Regardless, none of this deserves a PERMA ban.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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Well, i fail to see how this is my issue and not theirs, if i were afk they could clearly see id be like lvl 1-2 at the end of a game? i was behind however, due to being camped by their mid and their jg due to our DC. Regardless, none of this deserves a PERMA ban.

Submit a ticket to Rito Support and see if they can help you. Or ask a red for help. Tantram frequents the boards.

HairyDanglers1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Qcm1hynG,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-21T01:59:07.861+0000)

Submit a ticket to Rito Support and see if they can help you. Or ask a red for help. Tantram frequents the boards.

I did submit a ticket, they said tribunal bans wont be reversed... Which imo is a very bad rule... especially considering EVERY scenario has its own circumstances. they dont seem to care about the player base, or the people who are getting harrassed and simply reply back in self defence (This doesnt mean replying back by cursing someone out and telling their family to get cancer and die, in which some people in these cases did do. but you cant see their chat logs)

HairyDanglers1 votes

I did help the team, as much as possible in a 4v5, how is sitting in base for the last 1 minute of the lost game unsportsman? Explain.

HairyDanglers1 votes

Also, i would happily release the chat logs, if i knew how.

HairyDanglers1 votes

Ok, heres what im banned for apparently. (Keep in mind you can ONLY SEE my chat logs, not anything anyone else says, intense trolling or not)

(In this game, we had a morg jg, who would rage INTENSIVLY when she ganked, and missed all her skills and you didnt pick up a kill from it, due to her missing, blamed everyone but herself for doing bad, we still carried this game i believe? i cant recall honestly. PS. Graves op, idc what u say) HairyDanglers: id ask him to buy u a new computer first. HairyDanglers: that load screen was hot. HairyDanglers: downloading some ram? (We were all joking around with the guy who took 15 mins to load in, he was joking around too... this was not trolling) HairyDanglers: why is graves so broken HairyDanglers: its not even cute HairyDanglers: .... HairyDanglers: yea ok. HairyDanglers: op champ HairyDanglers: Broken HairyDanglers: like HairyDanglers: press 2 buttons HairyDanglers: dead HairyDanglers: See HairyDanglers: broken HairyDanglers: flat out HairyDanglers: that champ needs nerfed HairyDanglers: hes broken HairyDanglers: ME?! (This is where morg ganked top, missed ALL her skills, died in 2 seconds and blamed me for it) HairyDanglers: u went fkin morg jg HairyDanglers: and missed EVERYTHING HairyDanglers: like HairyDanglers: muted HairyDanglers: ur a trash bag (He called me trash, responded with the same) HairyDanglers: see. HairyDanglers: trash HairyDanglers: yea HairyDanglers: im bad cuz ur bad HairyDanglers: logic HairyDanglers: goes morg jg, misses everything, does nothing, but everyones bad but her. (At this point shes flaming all chat about how her teams bad) HairyDanglers: uh HairyDanglers: morg fked up HairyDanglers: blames me HairyDanglers: cuz ur 1-4 HairyDanglers: fed my lane twice HairyDanglers: 3x HairyDanglers: 1-5* HairyDanglers: ur useless (If only you could see his chat logs to know why these replys came) HairyDanglers: fkin morg jg HairyDanglers: blames me HairyDanglers: cuz ur bad HairyDanglers: typical league game HairyDanglers: hes the one playing the blame game HairyDanglers: when hes the baddie HairyDanglers: see. HairyDanglers: reported HairyDanglers: and muted HairyDanglers: maybe if u didnt fail gank and feed him 3x HairyDanglers: report morg, intense, massive, almost amusing rage and blame gaming, all game.

(In this game i was trying out quick cast on riven, and the auto targeting and attacking autos were messing up my quick cast on ult, canceling it repeatedly, NO ONE was inting, but apparently if you have a bad game while trying quick casts, riot wants to perma ban you for it?) HairyDanglers: nothing i could do HairyDanglers: was stuck HairyDanglers: why the fk 3 ppl HairyDanglers: in my lane HairyDanglers: now shes 6 before me HairyDanglers: lol HairyDanglers: .... HairyDanglers: my ult refused to work HairyDanglers: 28 ms, yet ult refused to work. mkay HairyDanglers: LIKE HairyDanglers: HOW MANY TIMES HairyDanglers: I GOTTA PRESS R RIOT? TOOLTIP PLZ? 600? 1000? HairyDanglers: lemme know, so i dont have to guesstimate HairyDanglers: no. HairyDanglers: i was autoing HairyDanglers: non stop HairyDanglers: riot just retards HairyDanglers: auto atking fks up insta cast ults HairyDanglers: i did HairyDanglers: see, i stunned u HairyDanglers: but u didnt get stunned HairyDanglers: and my ult didnt go off, for the 3rd time HairyDanglers: this games just broken. HairyDanglers: no. HairyDanglers: if ANY of my skills worked, i was fine HairyDanglers: legit my ult hasnt worked once thi entire game. HairyDanglers: it didnt work, again HairyDanglers: it went off, but it didnt work. HairyDanglers: went right thru u for 0 dmg HairyDanglers: U cant report someone for dying. HairyDanglers: hate to tell ya. HairyDanglers: iu mean HairyDanglers: u can HairyDanglers: but HairyDanglers: it wont do shit HairyDanglers: im not inting. HairyDanglers: nice try tho HairyDanglers: no, the games just busted HairyDanglers: thats not inting. HairyDanglers: can u just stfu HairyDanglers: and stop being a troll. HairyDanglers: its not cute HairyDanglers: never was HairyDanglers: or will be HairyDanglers: for some reason HairyDanglers: when i try to cast my ult HairyDanglers: i keep auto canceling, when im not clicking HairyDanglers: thats why its not working HairyDanglers: yea no, i clearly just said HairyDanglers: iom not clicking HairyDanglers: nice ult ashe (Was actually a good ult, this wasnt said to be a %%%%) HairyDanglers: ez kill on eve HairyDanglers: ults cait (Cait ult down) HairyDanglers: cait too fed. HairyDanglers: irelia has 8 kills

And this game was the DC game in which im apparently banned for.

HairyDanglers: mkay HairyDanglers: i want out HairyDanglers: dc = cant play HairyDanglers: our Cassyiopia. HairyDanglers: idk, she died and bailed HairyDanglers: and u guys are just dickheads. so i wan tout. (They started shit talking chat) HairyDanglers: like, ur not even trying to be cool about it. HairyDanglers: just abusing the DC. HairyDanglers: so im afking in base, run it down mid. (I didnt actually AFK in base, i said i was so their akali would stop camping me in the jg so i could catch up) HairyDanglers: report me all u want? im not the one who rage quit, and im not playing a 4v5 wasting my time. (Said he was reporting me for afking, Read above, i didnt ASK for a report, this was in reply to him saying hes reporting me because i SAID i was afking, when i didnt.) HairyDanglers: No, im refusing to waste my time, is what im doing HairyDanglers: No, its called riot needs to let us FF sooner than 20 mins when someone rage quitrs HairyDanglers: ill happily charge back every penny if they wanna ban me for that. (Who gonna pay ANYONE for deleting their acc due to their own bad game designs?) HairyDanglers: so idc. HairyDanglers: thresh HairyDanglers: why uw asting ur time HairyDanglers: but yea, typical responce more man. HairyDanglers: like, run it down mid... anytime now (Team refused to surrender, at this point they couldnt even WALK out of base without dying, just refused to be trolls, so i told them to run it down and end) HairyDanglers: rager? because im wanting u to end it so i can get onto the next game? HairyDanglers: can u like... idk... not be a typical troll? with typical comments? and typical failure at life? (Akali harrassing me in chat, if only you could see HER chat logs?) HairyDanglers: cant even 1 shot a lvl 14.. lel HairyDanglers: so can we stop now HairyDanglers: and report cass. (The actual leaver)

EVERYONE has these types of games, Dont feel i said or did anything perma ban deserving in them, just the typical, common rage that mostly everyone has, including top tier players... they even post youtube videos WITH the rage in them. Yet someone like me gets perma banned for complaining about the games mechanics (Especially ones that need changed, like unable to FF in a 4v5 before 20 mins)

AeroWaffle2 votes

You argued a lot in the third game that you weren't afk'ing.... while claiming to afk.

And this game was the DC game in which im apparently banned for.

You have three games listed, and even those are just used as an example.

EVERYONE has these types of games, Dont feel i said or did anything perma ban deserving in them

Everyone may have these types of games, but not everyone chooses to rage in them. My guess is you had received a 14-day ban before. Which would make the next ban a perma.

including top tier players... they even post youtube videos WITH the rage in them.

These top tier players generally rage on camera, but keep their game clean. On camera they are seen by only their viewers. It also takes reports for Riot to take any action. Without the report, Riot will think that you did not feel like the person's behavior crossed the line. Which is very important.

It doesn't matter how offensive, rude, etc someone is. If everyone in the game was fine with the behavior, then it's okay.

The fact that you were reported in these games means that someone felt that your behavior was out of line in all of them.

HairyDanglers: ill happily charge back every penny if they wanna ban me for that.

I guess you'll be charging back the money spent now.

HairyDanglers1 votes

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You argued a lot in the third game that you weren't afk'ing.... while claiming to afk.

You have three games listed, and even those are just used as an example.

Everyone may have these types of games, but not everyone chooses to rage in them. My guess is you had received a 14-day ban before. Which would make the next ban a perma.

These top tier players generally rage on camera, but keep their game clean. On camera they are seen by only their viewers. It also takes reports for Riot to take any action. Without the report, Riot will think that you did not feel like the person's behavior crossed the line. Which is very important.

It doesn't matter how offensive, rude, etc someone is. If everyone in the game was fine with the behavior, then it's okay.

The fact that you were reported in these games means that someone felt that your behavior was out of line in all of them.

The people who reported me in these games, were the ones who deserved the reports in the first place, the trolls trolling to get a rise, people argue in league all the time. defending ones self shouldnt be an issue unless you start harrassing someone. Especially if you defending AGAINST the harrassment. And yes i got a 14 day ban a year ago (Never got a warning that i recall, just straight to 14 day ban) its been a year... and these games i didnt really do ANYTHING to deserve a perma ban. its way over reacted.

And of course i will if this doesnt get resolved, WHY on earth would i not get money i literally JUST spent back when i didnt deserve a perma ban for any of this anyways?

AeroWaffle3 votes

When you "defended" yourself by insulting them, did that deter them in anyway from replying with more insults? Unlikely considering how your insults intensified as the game went on. What you did was retaliate, not defend.

If you wanted to stop their insults, the mute button immediately halts all communication from them from reaching you. You're free to report them at the end of the game if nessessary.

Being the second person to add shit to the shit pile doesn't make you less guilty of the shitstorm.

HairyDanglers1 votes

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When you "defended" yourself by insulting them, did that deter them in anyway from replying with more insults? Unlikely considering how your insults intensified as the game went on. What you did was retaliate, not defend.

If you wanted to stop their insults, the mute button immediately halts all communication from them from reaching you. You're free to report them at the end of the game if nessessary.

Being the second person to add shit to the shit pile doesn't make you less guilty of the shitstorm.

Never said it did, However none of which was said on my behalf deserves a perma ban. Is it my fault riot refuses to let you disable chat entirly, or rebind your enter key? or they refuse to allow you to make a support ticket for self imposed chat restrictions? No, it isnt. Coming from someone who had to endure harrassment/bullying/people shit talking you throughout your childhood, and growing into someone who refuses to take it i cant help but reply back. Riot should have methods in place for those who have impulse issues. You cant tell me you've NEVER once replied to shit someone was saying to you, you know that impulse you get to do so? amplify that by 1000. I simply just want my account back, and a SELF IMPOSED WILLING chat restriction that prevents me from typing in game, i know for a fact they can do it.... None of what i said in any 3 of these games is perma ban worthy, but im WILLING to take a perma chat restriction to avoid losing hundreds of hours of my life, and avoid the time its gonna take to go thru paypal to get my money back. Thats not too much to ask... literally all they have to do is perma mute my account until i find some way to cope with the impulse to reply back to people that harrass me. They are basically saying people with impulse issues arent welcomed in their game. when they can add features, or impose willing restrictions to make that possible. Even if what i said isnt perma ban worthy in any sense.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Riot is not obligated to bend over backwards for those who don't have the self control to keep their attitude out of the game.

They already tried the indefinite chat restrictions, turns out it didn't help much. When unable to talk, people would just resort to poor behavior through other means like trolling. And unless it's obvious intentional feeding trolling is incredibly hard to judge separately from someone who's just playing poorly unintentionally.

Chat is only a single outlet of poor behavior.

HairyDanglers1 votes

{quoted}

Riot is not obligated to bend over backwards for those who don't have the self control to keep their attitude out of the game.

They already tried the indefinite chat restrictions, turns out it didn't help much. When unable to talk, people would just resort to poor behavior through other means like trolling. And unless it's obvious intentional feeding trolling is incredibly hard to judge separately from someone who's just playing poorly unintentionally.

Chat is only a single outlet of poor behavior.

This literally doesn't apply to my situation, at all. I can't control what others choose to do with their requests/punishments. What i said in any 3 of these games (Which are the only 3 listed as to why im perma banned) is not ban worthy at all. But considering riot seems to think so, i said i am willing to have a perma chat restriction so i cant reply impulsivly. Also, its not bending over backwards at all, in fact, it would take seconds. quite literally. I've never int'd, or ever would. i just refuse to let people shit talk me, thats all. But theres a simple soulution that would take seconds, and allow me to have my account and prevent the time i have to waste on paypal. You seem to disregard legitimate mental or sociological issues due to trauma in life/childhood and assume everyone on the planet has the same level of self control. That isnt the case, and never will be. However there are those of us WILLING to do whats nessesary to remedy the issue rather than riot just disregarding peoples hard work over something so miniscule that doesnt deserve the level of punishment implemented for it in the first place.

Chønklord2 votes

HairyDanglers: ur a trash bag (He called me trash, responded with the same) HairyDanglers: see. HairyDanglers: trash HairyDanglers: yea HairyDanglers: im bad cuz ur bad HairyDanglers: logic HairyDanglers: goes morg jg, misses everything, does nothing, but everyones bad but her. (At this point shes flaming all chat about how her teams bad) HairyDanglers: uh

HairyDanglers: ur useless (If only you could see his chat logs to know why these replys came) HairyDanglers: fkin morg jg HairyDanglers: blames me HairyDanglers: cuz ur bad HairyDanglers: typical league game HairyDanglers: hes the one playing the blame game HairyDanglers: when hes the baddie HairyDanglers: see. HairyDanglers: reported HairyDanglers: and muted HairyDanglers: maybe if u didnt fail gank and feed him 3x HairyDanglers: report morg, intense, massive, almost amusing rage and blame gaming, all game.

HairyDanglers: riot just retards

HairyDanglers: can u just stfu HairyDanglers: and stop being a troll.

HairyDanglers: and u guys are just dickheads. so i wan tout. (They started shit talking chat)

HairyDanglers: so im afking in base, run it down mid. (I didnt actually AFK in base, i said i was so their akali would stop camping me in the jg so i could catch up)

HairyDanglers: like, run it down mid... anytime now (Team refused to surrender, at this point they couldnt even WALK out of base without dying, just refused to be trolls, so i told them to run it down and end)

HairyDanglers: and report cass. (The actual leaver)

All toxic, griefing, harassment, and threats to afk.

  1. It only takes one report to flag a user in the system

  2. Riot does not "weigh" more votes (there is no such thing as 9x)

  3. Calling for reports in the way you did is considered harassment

  4. Arguing with trolls/toxic players only escalates the negativity in the game

  5. The Tribunal no longer exists, it was replaced two years ago by the IFS

  6. Threatening to AFK is punishable regardless of intent

  7. **Context is not part of your punishment because only your words and actions are being put up against the Summoner's Code, no one else's.

HairyDanglers1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Qcm1hynG,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-04-21T03:23:27.125+0000)

All toxic, griefing, harassment, and threats to afk.

  1. It only takes one report to flag a user in the system

  2. Riot does not "weigh" more votes (there is no such thing as 9x)

  3. Calling for reports in the way you did is considered harassment

  4. Arguing with trolls/toxic players only escalates the negativity in the game

  5. The Tribunal no longer exists, it was replaced two years ago by the IFS

  6. Threatening to AFK is punishable regardless of intent

  7. **Context is not part of your punishment because only your words and actions are being put up against the Summoner's Code, no one else's.

Regardless of your opinion, and neglect of circumstance, none of this is PERMA BAN worthy. plain and simple. read my previous post. I never called for reports, it was a reply to the akali troll/harrasser that said she was going to report me because i juked her with the afk comment so i could farm.

I love how nearly everyone on here is so quick to judge, and assume they know whats going on, and who deserves what, VERY rarely do i see a single person look at circumstance, or the evidence. Its mostly a bunch of trolls getting their jollies from others misfortune. i cant quite understand the joy in that.

Chønklord2 votes

Regardless of your opinion

It's not "my opinion" -- it's Riot's terms.

none of this is PERMA BAN worthy.

It is if you've made a habit of acting this way in games and/or have a previous 2-week suspension.

I never called for reports

HairyDanglers: report morg, intense, massive, almost amusing rage and blame gaming, all game. HairyDanglers: and report cass.

I love how nearly everyone on here is so quick to judge, and assume they know whats going on [. . .] VERY rarely do i see a single person look at circumstance, or the evidence.

I'm going by what you said in your chat; which is the only thing Riot cares about when punishing players. It's called self accountability. You are held responsible for your words and your actions alone. Context does not fit into the equation, and does not need to.

Its mostly a bunch of trolls getting their jollies from others misfortune.

Again, as others may have pointed out already; others' misdeeds do not exclude your own. That is, you don't get a "free pass" to be a troll/flame/be toxic/harass/grief others, simply because they are doing it. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc etc.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

Regardless of your opinion, and neglect of circumstance, none of this is PERMA BAN worthy.

Permanent bans for toxicity can be earned one of two ways:

1 -- Behavior so obviously toxic and inappropriate that it merits an immediate permanent ban (death threats, hate speech, etc).

2 -- Escalation through punishment tiers without reform. Even behavior that would normally get you a 10-game chat restriction (such as your behavior here) can and will eventually earn you a permanent ban if it is consistent and you do not show signs of improvement after a punishment.

HairyDanglers1 votes

Can someone from riot please look into this for me... I would appreciate a willingness to work with me in resolving this issue. even though i feel like a permaban is too harsh for anything that was said, I will happily take a perma chat restriction considering ive only had 1 other action on my account over a year ago which was automatically a 2 week, and i cant remember what it was even for.

EclipseTim1 votes

I didnt read the entire chat log, but it seems you are a toxic player, someone i would instantly mute. If you do that sorta thing in most of your games then i feel no sympathy.

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