Boards›Player Behavior

Punishment system is a flawed.

25864134DEL1··1 votes·2,120 views

So I haven't been playing lol for months, and a few weeks ago came back and just now got a 14 day ban for flaming. I'll be the first one to admit that I am a toxic player who is easily capable of starting to insult people (calling them trash, mostly) when they make serious gameplay mistakes or personally attack me. Fine, I deserve a punishment. But does it have to be a 2 week ban and a perma ban sometime later? I know my temper won't change. Eventually someone will once again trigger me to the point where I get multiple reports and an autoban. But I never troll in any other way. I always (99% of time, at least) play to the best of my ability, never intentionally feed or ruin game in other way. So wouldn't a permanent chat ban/restriction will be a more fitting punishment for me? I would eagerly mute myself if there were such an option, most people communicate with pings nowadays anyway, words are no longer essential for efficient gameplay. I understand that I deserve a punishment, but I do strongly feel that this is the wrong one... You don't give a life sentence to a person who screams profanities on a street, after all.

29 Comments

Dispelle4 votes

You don't give a life sentence to a person who screams profanities on a street, after all.

Totally agree, you don't.

But remember, you're not getting a life prison sentence. You're getting a game ban. Be glad you're not getting a police citation, counseling and community service for screaming profanities through the street.

Lighten up on the rage a bit, k?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

25864134DEL11 votes

May I just enquire about the intention behind this comment? Firstly, one shouldn't take comparisons or parallels at face value. Secondly, human psychology is an interesting thing, telling an agitated person something like "Lighten up on the rage a bit." will rarely, if ever have the desired effect.

SadKill2 votes

The thing is, you would get a life sentence if those were the rules or laws established beforehand. You accepted the terms of use, you get punished according to those terms. "Section 2. Account Termination" and "Section 5. Code of Conduct" in the Terms of Use cover the rules you accepted and are violated to get the 14-day ban.

Jo0o3 votes

14-day ban out of nowhere sounds like you were using slurs, which Riot explicitly has a zero-tolerance policy regarding. Gotta not do that.

Permanent chat bans were used in the long-past days of the Tribunal, but they tended to just result in other methods of trolling, so the practice was ended.

25864134DEL11 votes

You're right, I did use one, didn't realize that it was a racial slur until you mentioned it, stupid of me.

RiotRiot Tantram8 votes

You actually didn't have a direct 14-day ban. This is your 3rd penalty without changing your behavior, so it was escalated to a 14-day ban. 3 recent games were given as evidence.

This Is Your Dad2 votes

Unfortunately it looks like the context of the OP is that he does not believe he can or is willing to change his behavior to match the requirements of the community. "But does it have to be a 2 week ban and a perma ban sometime later? I know my temper won't change." He's acknowledging that he is actively breaking the TOS repeatedly and is actually trying to change the punishment to fit the crime as he sees it to be. That's my impression.

Spitfirë2 votes

Not everyone learns mistakes and betters themselves through the same punishments as others. This is all left to perception. Which it seems everyone has refused to acknowledge. All individual people, Learn and experience emotions different ways in such the way we handle them is all different. There are millions of players, Working in the field of children/adults I've seen that people HONESTLY DO NOT have complete control over their own person's. Which because they are online, they cannot be identified as such.

I don't agree with some of the method's that riot has come up with, I think there are better methods. Some more harsh, some not as harsh. But not my company to do as such with. But my main point, Generalized punishments, do NOT work. Honest truth.

Timethief492 votes

Well you get a Chat restriction That's like a Knick in your door saying calm down a Bit Same with the 25 game cr The 14 day Ban is a hey stop ist now. The perma Ban is the final we told you to stop it. They tryed perma Chat restrictions in the Form of stacking Chat restrictions. People who had thousands of games went to other forms of griefing when they couldnt Flame.

25864134DEL11 votes

I see, thank you for clarifying that. I assumed, that after months of inactivity, previous charges would be cleared, but I guess not enough time passed for that. Still, that doesn't exactly change my point. While I fully embrace the fact that my behavior was very far from stellar, I still can't quite get to the fact that the current rules paint me as an villain that has no place here solely because of a single personality flaw that is very hard to overcome, despite a solution that would make everyone, including myself, happy being present. With all due respect, while I have no choice but to accept any punishment riot deems fit, I still feel like mentioning that there is more than one way to address most situations. Sometimes the easiest solution may not be the best.

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nox Eterna,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q5WwZanc,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-22T21:37:11.583+0000)

I see, thank you for clarifying that. I assumed, that after months of inactivity, previous charges would be cleared, but I guess not enough time passed for that. Still, that doesn't exactly change my point. While I fully embrace the fact that my behavior was very far from stellar, I still can't quite get to the fact that the current rules paint me as an villain that has no place here solely because of a single personality flaw that is very hard to overcome, despite a solution that would make everyone, including myself, happy being present. With all due respect, while I have no choice but to accept any punishment riot deems fit, I still feel like mentioning that there is more than one way to address most situations. Sometimes the easiest solution may not be the best.

That's just it though: because you were inactive for so long the system had no way of knowing whether your behavior had truly improved or not. In the future just know that you have to actually play games in order for the system to determine whether your behavior has changed or not, and this is intended so that griefers and would-be griefers can't just simply stop playing for an extended period of time and hope/expect that the system forgets about their behavior.

25864134DEL11 votes

Thanks for the info, didn't know that. A bit sad to be compared to the griefer though, as that's one thing I'd like to think I am not. My only purpose in lol is to play the game, flaming comes out as unfortunate byproduct that is not intentional but rather a sign of my weak control of my own character.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Unfortunately time is not a factor. Apparently, and correct me if I am mistaken, it's the number of games you play, not the time span that matters for the context of punishment.

AkarKesel1 votes

I agree! I love a game that punishes everyone!

Please Rito, punish us harder when your poorly tested software crashes on us.

20 min queue timers aren't enough. We need to learn to implement custom workarounds for your bugs!

ModPeriscope1 votes

Please Refrain from Necroing several months-old threads; as it's been 11 months since this thread was created, I am locking it.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nox Eterna,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q5WwZanc,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-22T18:23:04.247+0000)You don't give a life sentence to a person who screams profanities on a street, after all.

Bear in mind that this isn't a street though -- it's Riot's private servers, which they are letting you access.

I would ban someone who reliably screams profanities from my bar, restaurant, movie theater, golf course, or house. They've proven they can't behave themselves in my privately owned and operated area, and, as such, it is within my rights to tell them never to come back, and bar them from doing so if necessary.

Even if they're happily playing golf or sitting in their own booth, their behavior and the mood they create is enough to make them a negative influence on the environment. So even if you don't troll and you always play to win, there can still be valid justification for wanting you to either moderate your behavior or find another game to play.

25864134DEL11 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q5WwZanc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-22T18:39:59.830+0000)

Bear in mind that this isn't a street though --

That's exactly my point. Riot is fully capable of making myself, and people of similar character utterly harmless to your average thinskinned player. you can't make a foulmouthed bar patron silent, but you can do that with a player. As I said before, I am not inclined whatsoever to troll in any other way. You can see it for yourself in my match history - I can curse someone I consider at fault for lose in one breath but then do everything in my power to assist him in another. I'll admit, that this particular predicament makes me frustrated, as losing this account would be a damn shame, but there is nothing I can do about my online character, no matter how hard I try. Riot can.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nox Eterna,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q5WwZanc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-22T18:48:46.819+0000)That's exactly my point. Riot is fully capable of making myself, and people of similar character utterly harmless to your average thinskinned player. you can't make a foulmouthed bar patron silent, but you can do that with a player. As I said before, I am not inclined whatsoever to troll in any other way. You can see it for yourself in my match history - I can curse someone I consider at fault for lose in one breath but then do everything in my power to assist him in another. I'll admit, that this particular predicament makes me frustrated, as losing this account would be a damn shame, but there is nothing I can do about my online character, no matter how hard I try. Riot can.

Riot DID try an experiment where they simply silenced players. They found that it was largely unsuccessful, as players started finding other, more subtle ways to troll with such regularity that they discontinued the practice.

I understand this may work for you personally, but Riot needed a large-scale solution. I also believe (but have no confirmation) that they feel that if you cannot moderate your behavior enough to be trusted to talk to another player they simply do not want you around as part of the community.

25864134DEL11 votes

Here I will have to respectfully disagree, as I firmly believe, that in every aspect of life, nothing should be generalized and as much as possible should be on case-by-case basis. That's how real life courts have worked for ages, after all.

Second part of your idea also gives me some pause, as, in my experience, a great many people here will be malevolent without active cursing. People will threaten to report for almost every conceivable thing, are eager to gank up on who they assume will receive most reports, etc. If riot truly wanted to make a perfect community of hospitality, they failed miserably with this current system that encourages people to make threats, to seek moral high ground and to /allchat report this guy for "insert whatever". That is just my personal perspective though.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nox Eterna,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q5WwZanc,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-22T19:26:11.356+0000)Here I will have to respectfully disagree, as I firmly believe, that in every aspect of life, nothing should be generalized and as much as possible should be on case-by-case basis. That's how real life courts have worked for ages, after all.

Real life courts also have the benefit of an entire government structure devoted specifically to taking the time to figure out all the variables and craft a personalized decision. Even then it STILL cuts corners and generalizes with things like minimum sentences.

Second part of your idea also gives me some pause, as, in my experience, a great many people here will be malevolent without active cursing. People will threaten to report for almost every conceivable thing, are eager to gank up on who they assume will receive most reports, etc. If riot truly wanted to make a perfect community of hospitality, they failed miserably with this current system that encourages people to make threats, to seek moral high ground and to /allchat report this guy for "insert whatever". That is just my personal perspective though.

This behavior is reportable and punishable though, and we see people punished for malevolence behaviors frequently. So that part of the system is definitely working at least decently, although there is always room for improvement.

25864134DEL11 votes

Does it, though? If you really think about, all it creates is a vicious cycle of aggression where everyone wants to get back at everyone for the most minor of slights. You say that part of system is working "at least" decently, yet in my experience, nearly in every match I've played in this season (around 100), someone wanted other people to report someone else, which itself, is a reportable offense, iirc. The truth is, if you look at history, tightening control _Never _worked out for the authority in the end. It doesn't work for governments, it doesn't work for corporations, it doesn't work for online communites. The more you tighten the screws, the less comfortable the people feel, the more unwarranted aggression arises. This may sound like a rant of a person trying to justify his poor behaviour, and maybe it is, but I remember LoL community 5 years ago as FAR more easy-going.

Spitfirë1 votes

So you're telling me, a company. That has become so large, and makes millions if not BILLIONS of dollars. Can't afford a team large enough to tackle reports? I refuse to believe that.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

So you're telling me, a company. That has become so large, and makes millions if not BILLIONS of dollars. Can't afford a team large enough to tackle reports? I refuse to believe that.

To tackle every report with time take to appreciate the entire context and situation surrounding the report? Absolutely. They might be able to afford it, but that money is probably MUCH better spent on other useful development.

Spitfirë1 votes

I think they'd be just fine. Just my 2 cents though. Not my company.

jpguy9022 votes

Look into unbinding your "enter" key. It should make it so you can't chat in game.

25864134DEL11 votes

I guess I should try that, lol. Kinda wish riot would just make a self-mute option somewhere in profile settings, which would also make you immune to verbal abuse kind of reports. Wishful thinking though.

jpguy9021 votes

I agree with you on that. People are quick to downvote here but don't let that get to you. Kudos to you for admitting you have a problem and you're searching for solution. Best of luck to ya.

25864134DEL11 votes

Thanks, I'd like to think that I am decent at psychology and after scrolling through some topics and getting the read of the land I can see what kind of people frequent these forums most and, well, to be honest people in this one were acting in accordance with what I expected of them. Very few people genuinely Want to help someone, most have...other motives, which I would rather not discuss. But as I said before, I do feel like this is exactly the kind of atmosphere riot wants to have - as it is easy to control, and as such - most profitable. I am just gonna leave these forums and try to do what I came to lol to do - to play the game, not communicate, maybe unbinding "enter" will work for me in the long term.

ModPeriscope1 votes

as it's been 11 months since this thread was created, I am locking it.

If you have any questions about this moderation, feel free to reach out to us in the Boards Discord or Discuss the Boards.

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by 25864134DEL1

Mute yourself?
Player Behavior9 comments
1
votes