Remember: feeding is not reportable

Hrd2H1t·Sep 6, 2016·74 votes·3,353 views

But INTENTIONAL feeding is. "But what's the difference?" Feeding is just you die a lot Example: The support is camped by the jungler and dies 5 times in the laning phase Intentional feeding is you try your hardest to die Example: Tyler1 becomes toxic that Rengar has once again killed his support and begins to run it down mid, ending the game with 30 deaths Sure both suck, but don't report the first one

TL;DR Feeding is not always report-worthy, remember that even the best players have terrible games

74 Comments

StarTorchedSep 6, 20167 votes

I had someone flame me because my internet just had a freak out on me that game. It was to the point where the enemy team could tell that I was really lagging and didn't report me while adc flamed me about it after losing his lane as well. I disconnected a few times too, but he still wouldn't believe me.

Like god damn, if I can't move, I can't save you from the rengar after you decided that taking a stroll in the jungle is your best course of action. If I can't move or skill cast for shit, I really can't stop my laner from leaving lane or coming back to burst me down. He threatened to report me if I just left even though I was at a constant 1 - 2k ping but then told the whole enemy team to report me for intentional feeding for staying so he won't report me for afk.

The enemy team actually made my day by all coming to my defense and reassuring me they won't report me.

When I told him my internet is acting up, his response is "why did you play league?"

Well, to those who don't understand, THINGS BREAK AT WEIRD AND INCONVENIENT TIMES. Has it occurred to you that no one likes lag? That playing with lag is frustrating? But no one can magically predict the future and figure out when their internet decides to die on them. At college I have a constant and pretty great connection most of the time. If it all of a sudden decides to die on me for 30 minutes, I can't do jackshit about it.

HydroxlicSep 6, 20166 votes

The support one is understandable, people don't realize that the supports always have well more deaths than kills since we aren't suppose to be getting kills, were suppose to be handing over ever kill we can.

GarenTopOrElseSep 6, 20165 votes

Its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to differentiate the two. Perfect example.... my last game, jax SELLS ALL HIS ITEMS... runs and dies 7 times in his lane. Then BUYS THEM ALL BACK, and returns to trying to play normal for the next 4 mins until the game ended. And BOOM, report dodged. But anyone who PLAYED in that game would know he was a troll. Its the sneaky trolls that are the WORST. Or the kids who spam... "OH IM LAGGING" and just die over and over.

MeilinIISep 6, 201623 votes

There's a comment box. When someone gets reported and the system doesn't understand, it triggers a manual review. They still get banned.

Gary B EnkelisSep 6, 201619 votes

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the system tracks when items are bought and sold, like match history normally tracks... For manual review...

lnhibitor TurretSep 6, 20162 votes

Manual reviews are rare based on what I've seen. In most cases, a report enters a little counter and after so many reports in X time period, a punishment is given out.

dapositivevikingSep 6, 20169 votes

thats wrong

TrulyBlandSep 6, 201611 votes

Pretty sure it does... I mean, even the match history contains that Information, and Riot has a lot more info than what you see in the match history.

GaleWinUnleashedSep 6, 20162 votes

Online match history shows when you buy and sell every item throughout the game.

Troll for TrumpSep 6, 20165 votes

The system is automated, so it can't differentiate "smart trolls". Manual review does happen, but very rarely and very limited. Had a 0/13 ahri, who just pretended he/she were new. Literally, they would only autoattack the enemy Ekko. The items weren't troll, and she want isn't feeding.

You can intentionally play poorly, and pretend you're bad. Anyone who does anything that has even the smallest sign of aggression can be reported and punished by the system.

dapositivevikingSep 6, 20164 votes

i think the system riot has in place allows for stuff like reviewing spells cast, specific movement, etc

nintentwinsSep 6, 20165 votes

THIS POST YES YES YES ALL OF MY YES!!!!!!!!

I'd upvote this a billion times if I could.

I have bad games alot of the time, like I suck, for real, but I NEVER intentionally feed, whenever I play I always try my best.

Back when unskilled player was a report option I always felt so bad when people would report me for that, but when that was removed I was thinking YES, HOORAY, PRAISE BASED RITO!!! But even now, that unskilled player report that was removed ages ago, people STILL say their going to report me for feeding, and when I tell em only intentional feeding is reportable, they say they'll report me anyway. Thats happened countless times to me already, but I have never been banned from it, so clearly their false reports mean nothing.

People need to get it through their thick skull that you can't report me, or anybody, just cause there playing badly, UNLESS its on purpose.

Only once however had I had a bad game and my team said I was intentionally feeding and when I told them I wasn't they wouldn't believe me.

Still not banned though.

Those idiot bastards should get that sometimes people have bad games, it baffles me that people can't understand such a simple matter.

Heck, whenever I'm in champ select and when the game starts I always ask how people are doing and say GLHF to try and bring a positive vibe, to bring up morale and stuff, but even when I try to be kind and respectful the moment I die a second time in lane they say gg and say their gonna report me.

And if I'm being honest here, imo, the unskilled player report option shouldn't have been a thing in the first place. Nobody would get banned from that, it was practically (but not entirely I know) a way for tilted players to vent their frustration. Which the game shouldn't have to be your fucking stress ball, if your tilted go take a break and chill off, no reason to flame at end game screen or report for bullshit reasoning.

Anybody who wants to report someone for feeding when their not trying to AND they already know unskilled player isn't a report option anymore is a stubborn asshole that should be able to get it into their brain that they can't report like that anymore, if they have a brain under all that anger that is.

I apologize if I seemed rude in this post, I felt this was a topic I wanted to discuss for a while and this post made me so happy I thought now was a good time.

So yeah, great post, I agree with it 10000000000000000%!!! :D

I hope whoever reads this has a great day! Best of luck on the rift.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

rescuedSep 6, 20161 votes

Agreed! My husband really sucks at league, so he dies a lot, but he honestly isn't trying to and he does for real try his best. But SO MANY TIMES people think hes trolling or intentionally feeding. No, hes just bad. XD

DisulfiramSep 9, 20161 votes

Unskilled report never actually did anything, you're right, and those who report "whatever" are not taken into account by the system.

The punishment system is much more complex and better done than most players understand or know, don't worry.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Koonta KintaeSep 6, 20164 votes

This is wrong. If you make it to the postgame screen all 9 other players are reportable. That's the only condition. Whether or not you think the reasons for report are valid is irrelevant.

In the end all that matters is if Rito's ban bot decides to punish, based on some unpublished heuristics. And under the current system you have nothing to lose for wholesale reporting anyone and everyone. And who knows, maybe even if it wasn't intentional feeding the ban-bot might decide it's still punishment worthy. So report away. That's how the system works here.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

lnhibitor TurretSep 6, 20163 votes

Absolutely. I don't know why people downvoted this lol. All my games are just players forming together in an attempt to mass report so that the "Instant Feedback" system can dish out automated punishments. I was banned today thanks to that very system because I had a bad game and tried to explain that while being flamed. The two duo queues reported and I was banned before I could make it to my next ranked game.

Can I appeal this obvious abuse? No. Can I contact support? No. This automated report system is abused with absolutely no punishment for false reports and you can't even get a real person to talk to in the event you're falsely accused.

So glad the Tribunal was replaced with this..

StarTorchedSep 6, 20164 votes

I will bet my money on the fact that this wasn't your only "bad game" and you weren't very polite in your explanation. And the number of reports is NOT the reason for your ban.

I would explain WHY the number of reports don't matter, but I'm tired of saying it to everyone who doesn't understand how the system works and therefore complains like they are the victim.

Telephone BoothSep 6, 20162 votes

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This is wrong. If you make it to the postgame screen all 9 other players are reportable. That's the only condition. Whether or not you think the reasons for report are valid is irrelevant.

In the end all that matters is if Rito's ban bot decides to punish, based on some unpublished heuristics. And under the current system you have nothing to lose for wholesale reporting anyone and everyone. And who knows, maybe even if it wasn't intentional feeding the ban-bot might decide it's still punishment worthy. So report away. That's how the system works here.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Obviously when the OP says reportable, he means something that is worthy of punishment. We all know you can report whoever you want after game.

And you actually do have something to lose... if you report for no reason, your report weight goes down. So if you always report for no reason and then you actually do find a troll worth reporting, your report won't really do anything because you abuse the report system and it eventually loses trust in your judgement...which is kinda weird imo, cuz if someone trolls they should be punished regardless of whether the person reporting it is trustworthy or not.

Koonta KintaeSep 7, 20161 votes

Report weight is a myth, a held over relic from ~~trollbunal~~ Tribunal days. Rito has repeatedly stated that there's no reason to ask for reports (and it's also a punishable form of harrassment) because 1 report = 9 reports, all reports trigger a review. It really can't be weighted for this to be true.

AcexxzSep 6, 20163 votes

Just had a game where my mid, adc, AND top laner all gave up on the game within 5 minutes. They just let themselves die continuously. I also had a horrible score but that was only because I kept trying like an idiot because what else was I supposed to do? Afk in the base with them?

GayFluffyUnicornSep 6, 20161 votes

Feels like one of my viktor games. Tristana gives first blood, flames our supp janna and tells her to afk. Trist and janna afks. Yi feeds four kills and afks as well. Kled just joined them. 4 Afks and i'm standing there with 1/0/1 trying to hold off the enemy. Well yeah i flamed them a bit and also the enemy for unnecessary tryhard (like skaner flash ult to kill me and enemy jax flash stun to kill me) and got chat restricted because of it. But every single afk just played the next game.

crippler38Sep 6, 20163 votes

what you have to do is word your flaming in a better way

for example

"OMG YOU TRYHARDS STOP FLASH KILLING ME! MY TEAM IS FULL OF TROLLS!

compared to

"maaaan why'd you have to do me like that? I'm all alone here!

ElikainSep 6, 20161 votes

Feeding is a report worthy offense. It's not called feeding if someone's getting camped, you just need to be observant to notice that.

The GovernerSep 6, 20161 votes

Remember to report yourself and ask others to report you every now and then you feed even when you do not mean to. No?

Have you even read the initial post?

ElikainSep 6, 20161 votes

Or you did not read my comment. There's no good feeding or bad feeding. Feeding by definition is bad, getting camped is not. And let's not forget that everyone can minimize their deaths, you don't have to die every time.

StarTorchedSep 6, 20163 votes

It would seem like we have different definitions of feeding.

Since feeding just means dying a lot and making the enemy fed, this isn't true. Obviously feeding is always bad, but only intentionally giving the other team kills is considered ban worthy, but not being able to survive past people constantly diving me with 2 or 3 people isn't reportable.

ElikainSep 7, 20161 votes

So, you agreed with my statement but not on the definition name? Getting dove by 2-3 people can be prevented. Once or twice is fine but then if you don't ward and realize it might happen again, you constantly dying to dives that were attempted over and over again is just you not wanting to take a hint and get off the tower that can't protect you.

Losing an objective is better than losing an objective and still dying. If you can't save it, minimize the gold the enemy team can get out of it.

StarTorchedSep 7, 20162 votes

No, I am not agreeing with the statement that feeding is always reportable. My definition of feeding is dying lots of times. Feeding is always bad because it could very easily lose game and it has no benefit. However, I didn't say it's always reportable.

Sometimes bad games happen, people make bad decisions, getting dove constantly is just an example. But feeding is not reportable unless you are just doing it for the sake of feeding.

ElikainSep 7, 20161 votes

Let me explain something to you - feeding is a word that's always used in a negative connotation in our community. The emotions and associations connected to a word is known as its connotative meaning.

##Here's an example: The enemy mid laner is 5/0. All of your teammates are 0/1. Who's feeding in this case? Was it the first guy or the last guy? No one is feeding here but the enemy mid laner is fed.

Word fed has a neutral connotation. and a different meaning. It is used to describe a player that's clearly too strong to handle 1v1/1v2 and that fights with him should be avoided unless grouped. It also may mean that a fed player should be focused first and eliminating the biggest threat from the enemy team.

##Here's another example: The enemy marksman is 5/0. Your marksman is 0/5. Who's feeding in this case? Your marksman is feeding.

Word feeding has a** negative** connotation. Circumstances aren't important. Everyone can certainly prevent their deaths or at least, minimize them. And it's pretty clear at some point that a player doesn't understand what deaths mean. For many, it doesn't mean anything and they continue letting their egos play for them instead of reason. Which is why they're racking their deaths up, with no meaningful assists to back the poor KDA up.

Same thing with trolling. If you're accusing someone of trolling, there's only one type of trolling - negative one. There's no positive trolling.

If someone has died twice already, it's time for them to ask themselves is what they're doing worth those deaths or more? Whether they're getting ganked or collapsed upon, a strategy used more than once should already have a plan made against in on order to turn it around or at least neutralize it.

The only way i can justify a lot of deaths is when someone makes a sacrifice and initiates a bad teamfight for the enemy and he dies as a result but it's 3+ dead. But in such a case, the number of assists clearly proves that the player didn't die for nothing.

StarTorchedSep 7, 20161 votes

Someone could just be really bad at the game.

That is also feeding, but he's not intentionally sabotaging the game. So it's not reportable. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

ElikainSep 7, 20161 votes

Yea, that is feeding, no matter how you put it. That's especially true in ranked. You're expected to enter ranked with a decent number of practice games under your belt in normals and you should understand how the game and advantage works.

Don't give gold to the enemy team, if you can help it. That's the basic premise of it.

StarTorchedSep 8, 20161 votes

I didn't put it any other way, but sometimes the gap of skill is too great. If you put a bronze against a gold or up, they are gonna lose and probably feed. Can he help it? Obviously not.

But the argument lays in whether or not feeding is reportable. From your comments, it seems like you believe all feeding is. But it simply isn't, and that's the point. If the bronze player tries hard not to feed but cannot help losing either because of mistakes or because he misjudges what he could or could not do, then it's not reportable if he goes 3/10 or something.

ElikainSep 8, 20161 votes

If i label someone a feeder, then i'm reporting him. It is as simple as that. Feeding is a bad thing, there's no good or neutral types.

The difference is, i can spot when someone's feeding and when it's justified. Pitting Gold against Bronze doesn't happen all that often, especially in Ranked. And if you're going to mention smurfing, that's really not my problem.

When you misjudge a situation, i expect you to learn fast from it. If your death count is rising fast, then there's a problem you need fix on the fly, not after 7 games of 3/10 until you finally understand that infinitely pushing a lane will summon the enemy jungler and a top laner to gank. Or maybe if you're constantly fighting someone and losing, the reason for it is that either the enemy has better items than you or he's just mechanically better. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out and to stay clear of those people and fight them as a team.

StarTorchedSep 8, 20162 votes

I see your problem now.

You expect people to be smart.

But then most people aren't very smart about a game like this, especially when they are angry about losing. So let's face it, I don't report them because I know people make lots and lots of silly mistakes, you do because you think everyone should know better. Ultimately, you are actually the optimistic one. It's funny no?

By all means we are both free to hold what view we wish, but yeah, it isn't my problem that you are hoping everyone actually uses their brain when playing this game. It's just sadly not the case.

Also as I can't resist pointing out fallacies, you associate negativity with reportable and you disregard intent. Well, let's take an analogy.

Say if I killed someone, my punishment would vary drastically based on my intent during the action. If say, I, in the heat of the moment, angrily bash someone's head in with a chair in the bar fight, it's probably manslaughter. But say if I, purchase a gun, stake out my ex-boyfriend's schedule and shot him when I know he is alone and will be unable to get help, that is first degree murder, for which the punishment is drastically harsher. Now, by this analogy, I've proved that regardless of my action, the intent is important, no? Of course, this analogy isn't perfect because murders are punished regardless of intent. But we are talking about something much less serious.

So a more apt analogy would perhaps be if I take a lost kitten home. Now, I might have found it on the street lonely, hungry and dirty and thought it was a stray, so I took it home. That is very different from if I saw someone pet the kitten, and walks away for a second to grab something and took it home because it was very cute.

Well, the end result is the same, I took home something that wasn't mine and caused the pet owner distress (just like feeding and causing my team to lose the game). Now, if I can prove that my intent was to take care of the stray (trying my hardest and failing) instead of kidnapping the pet for myself (intentionally running down the lane to forcefeed the enemy) then I won't be punished (in league, it's rather easy to tell the difference between simply walking to lane and dying and being bad and struggling), then I should not be punished for the former, while the latter is in fact punishable.

The GovernerSep 9, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Of course, this analogy isn't perfect because murders are punished regardless of intent. But we are talking about something much less serious.

I will just put this here: Proven self-defence can be a get-away tool when someone is charged of murder. This is probably the only exception that is legal in most countries' laws. Thus your analogy isn't as bad as you think.

But otherwise, I completely agree with you.

StarTorchedSep 9, 20161 votes

Thanks baby : P

The GovernerSep 7, 20162 votes

In the EUNE server, the definition of feeding is just having numerous number of deaths caused by enemies. Most people there report others for just feeding. The intentions don't matter to them, especially to toxic players in that server.

So yeah, it is probably a waste of time arguing with him because he won't understand.

Source: My gameplay experiences in EUNE

ElikainSep 8, 20161 votes

The only servers that actually differ largely by opinion are Japan and Korea. Don't kid yourself that you're any different than us.

GG EZ is a reportable phrase and that's actually a valid report as well, to almost all regions except Japan and Korea. Possibly one or two more that i've forgotten.

It's all about the context it is used in and the majority of regions use it in a petty and vindictive way.

StarTorchedSep 8, 20161 votes

so wait, you agree with him?

ElikainSep 8, 20161 votes

No. I merely explained that if he believes toxicity on EUNE is higher, it's pretty much the same as in NA. He's just learned to block it out because he's native to his region and feels estranged when he plays on a different region. There's very little regional differences, unless we're talking about Korea and Japan.

StarTorchedSep 9, 20162 votes

But he never said something like "but the NA server is better!"

He just made an observation and you jumped on him like he killed your puppy. Damn dude. xD

ElikainSep 9, 20161 votes

He did say that or he implied that because i'm toxic, i can't really see the difference between the two actions. To which i said that all regions are more or less the same when it comes to norms and what he considers toxic here is exactly the same over there.

His interpretation of toxicity was never discussed.

In the EUNE server, the definition of feeding is just having numerous number of deaths caused by enemies.

Now i'm really curious what's his definition of feeding as i'm sure he's going to color code it on a spectrum to make sure he doesn't get lost in translation, since he "clearly" analized all the various types of behaviors, right?

As i've already discussed it, recognizing feeding can be done not just by having a player admit that he's doing it on purpose but by also looking at their build and recognizing the real intent through various actions.

The GovernerSep 9, 20161 votes

{quoted}

He did say that or he implied that because i'm toxic, i can't really see the difference between the two actions. To which i said that all regions are more or less the same when it comes to norms and what he considers toxic here is exactly the same over there.

That comment wasn't directed at you. It was just my objective conclusions after having more than 2 years of experience in EUNE. Take it as you will but it's pretty much valid.

I would have to say the amount of toxicity has lowered over the last couple of months, but people who ask for reports against feeders regardless of intentions still exist. I hope you are not one of them.

ElikainSep 9, 20161 votes

I don't ask for reports. If i think someone deserved one i report them on my own but i tell them they are getting reported and what for. If my team agrees, they can report them too or if they don't, that's their thing.

How many people report a player doesn't matter. One of nine reports is all the same to the system.

StarTorchedSep 9, 20161 votes

{quoted}

He did say that or he implied that because i'm toxic, i can't really see the difference between the two actions. To which i said that all regions are more or less the same when it comes to norms and what he considers toxic here is exactly the same over there.

But you can't.

And your reply has nothing to do with what he said.

The GovernerSep 9, 20161 votes

LOL, my main region is EUNE and this NA account just happens to be my stray account (It's a long irrelevant story that you probably don't have time to hear). I've been on EUNE for more than 2 years and my observations have weight.

Most people in EUNE don't give a sh** about intentions. When they see someone feed, they immediately go "report xyz for feed". It's obnoxious and it doesn't help the feeder come back and makes them perform worse and more tilted than ever, not to mention asking for reports is also reportable (even if they aren't actually doing it).

There are obviously rare cases, good people that first take a look at the matter thoroughly before taking actions but they are as rare as diamonds can be.

Not xPekeSep 6, 20161 votes

Except for cases where someone isn't "intentionally" feeding but plays without a care in the world. He's already 0/5 yet keeps walking up to the enemy toplaner, pushes without wards, tower dives, and dies over and over again. When your team tells you not to push, to ward, or to stop trying to fight the fed Darius but you can be seen perma pushing and trading with him, that IS intentional. You chose to ignore your teammate's calls and tips/advice and keep dieing. That is your choice. That is intent.

TequilaZombieSep 6, 20165 votes

That is being stupid and a bad player. Unfortunately, this is not reportable anymore.

I miss unskilled player.

Not xPekeSep 6, 20164 votes

There's a limit to stupidity and being a bad player. Constantly throwing the game by going 1v5 when you are told not to is intentional. Constantly fighting a fed enemy laner after being advised to not push, ward, and not to trade with him is intentional. Stupidity is an excuse only so far. If a player is bad that's okay. But when you are told what to do and what not to do and you do it anyway, that is intent (I'm talking about repetive feeding, dieing, constant "mistakes". You might not be running it down mid but the result is the same. You are CHOOSING to keep dieing. That's why if someone is being camped and tower dove even if he is 0/20 I wouldn't report him. But if you keep pushing and trying to 1v1 the fed Darius I am reporting you 100%, especially after you've been warned and told to stop doing it.

That's the way I see it. Intentional feeding is not just running it down mid. It's playing carelessly and ignoring your teammates (if you take it too far).