Protect Players Who Are Cyber-Bullied, Harassed, and Verbally Abused by Pre-Made Groups of Players

Ryokishine·Mar 23, 2019·1 votes·2,916 views

From my conversation w/ Riot Iron Wing:

"It might be possible that you disagree with the system, or how it works. That is okay, you are allowed to disagree with the system, I'm just here to inform you of what happened, and I can give you resources to provide feedback on how the system should change.

Player Support doesn't actually make changes to the game, we're more here to help you with how it exists currently. If you want to start a discussion on how you would change it, I encourage you to. But in the right place so your feedback can actually be seen by the right people. The correct place to do so is on our boards: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/ The most important part of this is getting the buy in from the community, and exploring the idea out. Our devs watch over the boards and keep pulse on what players are talking about, and they may even reply to your post.

Although I may not be able to make the changes you're looking for, I hope I've given you the right place to give your feedback. Let me know if you have any other questions."

My main account (this one) was permanently banned for a game where I try to lead my team to victory despite the fact that they wanted to give up, refused to work together as a team, and called me horrible things throughout the entire game. Eventually my patience was worn down and I decided to get a little angsty, giving them a mild dose of their own medicine.

Game 1 In-Game Ryokishine: pretty much can't all-in without exh Ryokishine: yeah i mean you're pretty much fucked. Ryokishine: wouldn't matter really. Ryokishine: you'd get like 4 extra cs. Ryokishine: doesn't matter really at this point. Ryokishine: i need to hit 6 and roam since you're a farm-fest now. Ryokishine: AKA - cya Ryokishine: yeah i don't care Ryokishine: my presence isn't gonan save you Ryokishine: may as well get someone else ahead. Ryokishine: i'm not useless, she's just so behind that all she can do is farm. Ryokishine: real. Ryokishine: im getting a turret Ryokishine: please shutup Ryokishine: why would i help him dude, he said straight up Ryokishine: he's gonna farm for 30 mins Ryokishine: there's no reason to be there for that. Ryokishine: you literally need to let the turret fall Ryokishine: and free farm. Ryokishine: i'm reporting the 4 of you for queeuing together and expecting the 5th person to just listen to everything you say. Ryokishine: uh yeah, that's a thing. Ryokishine: but okay. Ryokishine: lol figures, we have the triple queue that can't group. Ryokishine: got a 3 man ulti Ryokishine: exh on draven, looked perfect to me Ryokishine: yeah because you can't group Ryokishine: lel. Ryokishine: shrug Ryokishine: muting all Ryokishine: done Ryokishine: later morons Ryokishine: enjoy Your report for foul language. Ryokishine: report Yi for hate speech. Ryokishine: called me a %%%% and a %%%%%% so far. Ryokishine: basically just queued with 3 of his friends so he could justify acting like an asshole. Ryokishine: report it. Ryokishine: nah, sit through the loss. Ryokishine: triple queued asshole thinks he can just command people to do what he wants Ryokishine: messes up then surrenders Ryokishine: hilarious. Ryokishine: bronze leadership OP. Ryokishine: why back with a wave right there Ryokishine: nt karth Ryokishine: almost quad Ryokishine: this game has basically just been me and karthus helping each other while yi and darius do whatever it is they do Ryokishine: you're welcome, grandmaster douchebag. (His name was Grand DunkMastah - just playing around w/ his name after what he said to me.) Ryokishine: nah we actually played that terribly, no one killed yasuo Ryokishine: the lee sin is useless after he kicks Ryokishine: but died before yasuo. Ryokishine: that's actually the most correct thing i've said all game. Ryokishine: they left draven alone Ryokishine: that's why they lost that. Ryokishine: won't be wasting ulti on anyone but yasuo from now on, my bad. Ryokishine: k we can just lose then cuz draven wasn't there, that was the time to go. Ryokishine: we're winning teamfights, not sure why yi won't just play with us. Ryokishine: how does this guy have friends, I don't understand. Ryokishine: and we win without yi Ryokishine: hey look Ryokishine: wow Ryokishine: this akrthus is a god. Ryokishine: karthus Ryokishine: you should all honor him as the only reason we win this is because of him.

Match History: https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2334668516/42414506?tab=overview

Keep in mind, this was Years ago. I just want my account back, to be honest. This was wrong. The system has failed me I feel like. I know others have felt this way, too.

Had these players not treated me so horribly, I doubt I ever would have been banned... Alas, the system completely ignores the context in which infractions occur, and good people get banned because bad people won't simply leave them alone.

Yes, the argument exists that the /mute all and /fullmute all systems can be used to alleviate this stress. However, as a good team leader, severing all communication with one's team is a great way to lose the game quicker. One could also argue that you could leave their pings unmuted, but oftentimes people will even use those to flame and harass others for the smallest mistake or misstep.

Please Upvote this if you agree that the context of the situation should matter more when it comes to Chat Bans and Suspensions.

I've been informed by Riot Iron Wings that there's nothing Support can, or will, do in scenarios such as this. It is wrong, and he said that as the Community, we need to ask for this change in order for it to come to be.

Let's do this so that good people stop getting banned for responding to the overwhelming toxicity from bad ones.

Thanks for reading!

Ryokishine

44 Comments

RallerenPMar 23, 20197 votes

Had these players not treated me so horribly, I doubt I ever would have been banned... Alas, the system completely ignores the context in which infractions occur, and good people get banned because bad people won't simply leave them alone.

But in this case, you're ALL bad. The premades were bad, and you were bad.

Please Upvote this if you agree that the context of the situation should matter more when it comes to Chat Bans and Suspensions.

I have to say that I don't really agree, on the basis that context only matters in VERY few cases (and that does not include yours).

Those cases are better dealt with after the fact.

Yes, the argument exists that the /mute all and /fullmute all systems can be used to alleviate this stress. However, as a good team leader, severing all communication with one's team is a great way to lose the game quicker.

And a good leader recognizes when to speak, and when to be silent.

While yes, in most cases more communication is good, you also need to understand that pointless arguing with your team is going to lower your chances of winning, more significantly than the hit you take from just muting and playing to the best of your ability.

Also, it's quite ironic that you complained so much about the premades commanding you around, while also being so quick to appoint yourself team-leader.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

No one else was stepping up. That's not me appointing myself, it's taking the initiative, which is supposed to be a GOOD quality.

Additionally, you mean to tell me that these pre-mades are justified in calling me a "%%%%" and a "%%%%%%"? You think that's acceptable? If I called you that right now, would you block me or would you have something to say in return? If stuck in a room with me would you tape my mouth shut or punch me in the face?

The expectations you have of me are completely unrealistic.

And @Rujitra You don't get to make rules that deny me my dignity as a Human Being. I never agreed to that, and the Summoner's Code doesn't support that either. Go read it. You may work at Riot but your insight is EXTREMELY limited. Do more with the authority you have to protect people who are mistreated by the Community. I don't care how many downvotes you give my thread.

Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

YOUR LOGIC SUCKS. BE HUMAN.

Think of all League of Legends matches as a game of basketball among friends.

NO ONE WOULD EVER TREAT ANYONE THIS WAY.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND THE VICTIMS ARE GETTING BANNED.

THIS IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST MY ACCOUNT.

THIS IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS COMMUNITY.

I DID NOT POST THIS OUT OF SELFISHNESS.

GET OVER YOURSELVES AND YOUR E-PEENS.

SEE THE LIGHT.

HURRY UP.

I'VE BEEN WAITING A DECADE FOR YOU TO SEE HOW WRONG THIS IS.

If this is not enough, you are truly ignorant and deserve the toxicity you give each other.

BUT I DO NOT AND WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN.

YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.

P4ppinoMar 23, 20193 votes

Chill out, nobody cares.

RallerenPMar 23, 20191 votes

No one else was stepping up. That's not me appointing myself, it's taking the initiative, which is supposed to be a GOOD quality.

Evidently someone else WAS stepping up: The premades.

Additionally, you mean to tell me that these pre-mades are justified in calling me a "%%%%" and a "%%%%%%"? You think that's acceptable? If I called you that right now, would you block me or would you have something to say in return? If stuck in a room with me would you tape my mouth shut or punch me in the face?

I don't think they were justified. As I said, you were both bad, meaning neither of you were justified in your actions.

And I would absolutely just tape your mouth shut. If I punch you, I'd just be escalating the situation.

Also, it's a bad comparison, your words doesn't equate to punching someone. They were toxic towards you, you were toxic back.

And @Rujitra You don't get to make rules that deny me my dignity as a Human Being. I never agreed to that, and the Summoner's Code doesn't support that either. Go read it. You may work at Riot but your insight is EXTREMELY limited. Do more with the authority you have to protect people who are mistreated by the Community. I don't care how many downvotes you give my thread.

Rujita isn't a Rioter, they were appointed by the community as a 'Specialist' because they have a lot of knowledge of the system.

And the summoners code doesn't say anything about this situation that plays in your favor.

No one is taking away your dignity. In-fact, I'd say that behaving like you did in that game is what is throwing away your dignity. I have a lot more respect for someone who can keep calm in these situations.

When you give feedback, make sure you take a holistic approach. If you only give negative feedback, you may find that the changes you influence detract from what you initially enjoyed. Moreover, people are simply more likely to listen if you present yourself in a calm, well thought out manner.

That's a snippet from the summoners code. So you clearly haven't read it yourself.

So you think I should be silent while there are 5 Enemy Champions in the Mid Lane and only one other person on my Team is there with me? The other 3 showing no signs that they recognize what is happening and no sign that they will come and help? You must /ff a lot.

Yes, I absolutely think you should be silent. What is yelling at them going to do? They'll just laugh at you, and in the future they'll keep on not helping you, because you might react and they get another laugh.

Ralf JonesMar 23, 20191 votes

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No one else was stepping up. That's not me appointing myself, it's taking the initiative, which is supposed to be a GOOD quality.

Additionally, you mean to tell me that these pre-mades are justified in calling me a "%%%%" and a "%%%%%%"? You think that's acceptable? If I called you that right now, would you block me or would you have something to say in return? If stuck in a room with me would you tape my mouth shut or punch me in the face?

The expectations you have of me are completely unrealistic.

And @Rujitra You don't get to make rules that deny me my dignity as a Human Being. I never agreed to that, and the Summoner's Code doesn't support that either. Go read it. You may work at Riot but your insight is EXTREMELY limited. Do more with the authority you have to protect people who are mistreated by the Community. I don't care how many downvotes you give my thread.

Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

YOUR LOGIC SUCKS. BE HUMAN.

Think of all League of Legends matches as a game of basketball among friends.

NO ONE WOULD EVER TREAT ANYONE THIS WAY.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND THE VICTIMS ARE GETTING BANNED.

THIS IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST MY ACCOUNT.

THIS IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS COMMUNITY.

I DID NOT POST THIS OUT OF SELFISHNESS.

GET OVER YOURSELVES AND YOUR E-PEENS.

SEE THE LIGHT.

HURRY UP.

I'VE BEEN WAITING A DECADE FOR YOU TO SEE HOW WRONG THIS IS.

If this is not enough, you are truly ignorant and deserve the toxicity you give each other.

BUT I DO NOT AND WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN.

YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.

Nobody cares about you and your life, go fix yourself dude, find some help

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

So you think I should be silent while there are 5 Enemy Champions in the Mid Lane and only one other person on my Team is there with me? The other 3 showing no signs that they recognize what is happening and no sign that they will come and help? You must /ff a lot.

rujitraMar 23, 20196 votes

No. You don't get to break the rules just because someone else did it first.

GatekeeperTDSMar 23, 20195 votes

If you've been permanently banned, it means you have a history. Sorry, you're one of the small percentage who thinks they're right all the time and lashes out at everyone who doesn't agree with you being in charge of everything in the match.

The only context that matters is this - ignore idiots and play the goddamn game. The 8 other people in your matches don't want to hear you and the other guy have a pissing contest.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

I have a history of defending my Honor. Yes, I do. Is that such a crime? To have respect for myself and not let others walk all over me? Nope. Didn't think so. Hence we have a problem here.

GatekeeperTDSMar 23, 20195 votes

You're not tough, nobody's afraid of you, and nobody cares what attitude you feel you need to take out on others in a video game. You got yourself banned, you deserved it, and a Rioter told you so. Nobody's going to jump on your silly little bandwagon because guess what - we don't want people who act like asshats in our games. We don't have a problem, you have a problem, and it's already gotten you in trouble.

Silent GravityMar 23, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0AttcczK,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2018-09-29T07:33:12.262+0000)

If you cared about your dignity, you would engage in a spitting match, would you?

Imagine a doctor, acting with dignity, going about the task at hand, whatever it is.

Someone passing by spits on him. Oh the shame! The indignity!

The proper response to this is to stop all productive activity and spit on this assaulter until he learns the error of his ways! So what that the assaulter will now have ample time and opportunity to continue spitting in your face? This is important! I shall show the world how dignified I am, by how much spittle covers my face!

.....

Or, you could call security. Have them take him away.

Sure, he'll still be trying to spit at you, but he can't spit through walls, and you'll get to continue with the task at hand. Yes, everyone at the clinic will see him being escorted out, so they'll know that he was spitting at you. That doesn't reflect poorly on you. That reflects poorly on the spitter.

Escorting him out is muting. Potential fines or jail time comes after their actions are reported to the police, just like punishment after a report in game.

Jumping face first into a spitting match is a stupid way to preserve your dignity.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

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Silent GravityMar 23, 20192 votes

A) Mute them. B) Accept that you will most likely lose the game. C) Focus on what you are still able to do/learn/practice. D) Report them after the game. E) Move on.

NasarieMar 23, 20194 votes

I am sorry where is the part where you are trying to "lead your team to victory" lol I just cannot find it.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

If you can't find it you clearly know nothing of the game.

TrulyBlandMar 23, 20194 votes

Ryokishine: pretty much can't all-in without exh Ryokishine: yeah i mean you're pretty much fucked. Ryokishine: wouldn't matter really. Ryokishine: you'd get like 4 extra cs. Ryokishine: doesn't matter really at this point. Ryokishine: i need to hit 6 and roam since you're a farm-fest now. Ryokishine: AKA - cya Ryokishine: yeah i don't care Ryokishine: my presence isn't gonan save you Ryokishine: may as well get someone else ahead. Ryokishine: i'm not useless, she's just so behind that all she can do is farm. Ryokishine: real. Ryokishine: im getting a turret Ryokishine: please shutup Ryokishine: why would i help him dude, he said straight up Ryokishine: he's gonna farm for 30 mins Ryokishine: there's no reason to be there for that. Ryokishine: you literally need to let the turret fall Ryokishine: and free farm. Ryokishine: i'm reporting the 4 of you for queeuing together and expecting the 5th person to just listen to everything you say. Ryokishine: uh yeah, that's a thing. Ryokishine: but okay. Ryokishine: lol figures, we have the triple queue that can't group. Ryokishine: got a 3 man ulti Ryokishine: exh on draven, looked perfect to me Ryokishine: yeah because you can't group Ryokishine: lel. Ryokishine: shrug Ryokishine: muting all Ryokishine: done

Let's stop here and look at this. There are a couple of lines in here that are… not good. That said, I would argue up until here you might have gotten away with it.

So why do I stop here? Because everything past this point is no longer about defending yourself. Everything past this point has nothing to do with the point you make about protecting players that are harassed, or with your point on why you don't like muting people because evidently you did do it.

Past this point, however, you:

Called the other players morons and assholes, while calling for reports
Made fun of their "bronze leadership"
Called one of them "grandmaster douchebag"
Continually blamed them for various things
Called into question one player's ability to have friends

On top of that you repeated zero tolerance phrases, which may be a minor thing, but is a guarantee for the game to be flagged (if you are reported).

So... what do you have to say in defence of all that? Because nothing you say really explains this part of your chat log.

NasarieMar 23, 20192 votes

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Ryokishine: yeah i mean you're pretty much fucked. Ryokishine: wouldn't matter really. Ryokishine: you'd get like 4 extra cs. Ryokishine: doesn't matter really at this point. Ryokishine: i need to hit 6 and roam since you're a farm-fest now. Ryokishine: AKA - cya Ryokishine: yeah i don't care Ryokishine: my presence isn't gonan save you Ryokishine: may as well get someone else ahead. Ryokishine: i'm not useless, she's just so behind that all she can do is farm. Ryokishine: real. Ryokishine: im getting a turret Ryokishine: please shutup Ryokishine: why would i help him dude, he said straight up Ryokishine: he's gonna farm for 30 mins Ryokishine: there's no reason to be there for that. Ryokishine: you literally need to let the turret fall Ryokishine: and free farm. Ryokishine: i'm reporting the 4 of you for queeuing together and expecting the 5th person to just listen to everything you say. Ryokishine: uh yeah, that's a thing. Ryokishine: but okay. Ryokishine: lol figures, we have the triple queue that can't group. Ryokishine: got a 3 man ulti Ryokishine: exh on draven, looked perfect to me Ryokishine: yeah because you can't group Ryokishine: lel. Ryokishine: shrug Ryokishine: muting all

Let's stop here and look at this. There are a couple of lines in here that are… not good. That said, I strongly suspect you would not have been permabanned if you had kept it at that.

So why do I stop here? Because everything past this point is no longer about defending yourself. Everything past this point has nothing to do with the point you make about protecting players that are harassed, or with your point on why you don't like muting people because evidently you did do it.

Past this point, however, you:

Called the other players morons and assholes, while calling for reports

Made fun of their "bronze leadership"

Called one of them "grandmaster douchebag"

Continually blamed them for various things

Called into question one player's ability to have friends

On top of that you repeated zero tolerance phrases, which may be a minor thing, but is a guarantee for the game to be flagged (if you are reported).

So... what do you have to say in defence of all that? Because nothing you say really explains this part of your chat log.

It was all their fault your honor I swear! [sg-soraka]

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

You take everything out of context. Look at the start and end of the match. I calmly explain my point of view and even compliment the one person who is actually working together with me.

He was being a douchebag and earned the comment. They were splitting when we were 2v5 and refused to group. They were being morons. This is called honesty, not flaming, and not toxicity. I asked them to group multiple times in chat and pings. Refusing to communicate and work together is Toxicity, not being frustrated when your teammates refuse to do so.

"Bronze Leadership" as in no leadership skills at all. That's where I came in.

I stated the facts. I was honest with them. Any good leader gives feedback in order to help the team achieve better performance. That is all that happened in this match. Was I a little harsher than most leaders would be? Yes, because I was disrespected. Analyze the situation and stop being an ignorant prick on the Forums just so that I can look like the bad end of a joke for all to see.

Thanks.

TrulyBlandMar 23, 20192 votes

How many flamers do you think don't believe the person they insulted earned their comment? The key here is that you have no authority on that subject. You don't get to decide who deserves to be flamed and who doesn't because, while we're on that topic, you are not actually the leader of the team.

I'd also really like to know how you are giving "feedback" when it's very obvious that you are not even directly talking to them anymore. I can see how telling somebody to their face that they are an asshole might be considered a (pretty terrible) form of feedback, but telling somebody a different person is an asshole is most definitely not.

Are you sure it's me who is taking this chat out of context?

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

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TrulyBlandMar 23, 20191 votes

How? You being banned for your actions has no implications whatsoever about the justification of other people's actions.

You seem to have this weird idea of Riot either being on your side or the other players' side. But in a situation where both parties can be considered guilty of their own respective offenses that's simply not true.

NasarieMar 23, 20193 votes

"Good people" stop getting banned... I get you were no Adolf here but none the less this was your 4th offence I imagine. How many do you want? Or do they just not ban people. You realize we all deal with bad players right? Today I had an ezreal die 3 times then go afk in a ranked. Note that the ONLY thing said to him was by the support (not me) was you need to chill I am assuming she was talking about his engages.We were also doing well in other lanes) Then I had a bot lane die 4 times in 5 mins. I said nothing, though I was annoyed to all hell. By 7 mins it was 3/17 and they were at our inhib turret....

My point is that if any person like you for instance in those matches started flipping shit while I was already dealing with everything else. It is a huge pain in the ass to me knowing, you could be helping more instead of typing to whoever the hell the problem is.

I mean we aren't blind we know the guy thats 0/17 is bad we don't need you to announce it. It does not matter who started it what matters is you became a NEW problem on top of the existing one. I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp. That is literally the reason why they do not CARE who started it.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

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zPOOPzMar 23, 20195 votes

"defending my Honor" is not a shield to be toxic and frankly a cyber bully yourself. Rito did protect people being cyber bullied (YOU were the cyber bully. go look at your chatlog again) by banning you.

GatekeeperTDSMar 23, 20191 votes

This dude is going off on twitter too and linked it below. This is hilarious and sad.

CharDeeMcDennizMar 23, 20194 votes

{quoted}

I was just defending my Honor.

this isnt a thing

Tuition FeeMar 23, 20193 votes

I doubt this is your first punishment, as you can't get perma'd off of that. Calling someone a douchebag after two (or one) previous warning(s) means you didn't learn from the punishments. It's not okay even if you're playing around with their name. That'd be like me calling someone with the username of 'Austin' an autist because I thought it was funny. IFS bot doesn't understand humour, and it definitely doesn't seem like humour was what you were going for here.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

Of course it's not the first one. But it's the last one. The final nail in the coffin. You think that's acceptable? An account I spent $1,800 on - GONE because of THIS game?

zPOOPzMar 23, 20192 votes

and whose fault is it that the account is gone? Certainly not Rito. Rito didn't held your hand and type all that toxic craps. How about learn some personal accountability instead of finding blame for your own actions. It is more than acceptable to answer your question. YOU did it to yourself.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

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zPOOPzMar 23, 20192 votes

Haha, someone's triggered

GatekeeperTDSMar 23, 20191 votes

He's personally attacked everyone who replied at this point. Doubt this thread will be up for much longer.

RyokishineMar 23, 20191 votes

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Jo0oMar 23, 20192 votes

This sort of reaction demonstrates that you aren’t nearly as unflappable as you think you are.

Facts are, even if you somehow convinced yourself that you were honestly trying to “lead your team to victory”, you went about it through verbal abuse and got banned for it. This is likely after several warnings and sanctions for identical behavior, so you had to have seen this coming.

WarmAndCrispyMar 23, 20191 votes

I'm with you Ryo. Those chat logs are definitely not perma worthy in my book at all but the truth is that it's more lucrative for riot to ignore context, and let their robot perma people while they swim in money. It takes a lot of man power and money to thoughtfully review games properly and they simply don't want to spend the money.

My advice to you is to not bother posting on this board. You won't find any empathy or understanding. It's just an echo chamber full of rioters in disguise, riot fanboyz, and snowflakes who got their feelings hurt that just agree with each other and shit on anyone who questions their "perfect" system. It's everything that's wrong with the internet today and another perfect example of why the league community fucking sucks.

Also, look at the match history of all the people flaming you in this thread (ironically the same people telling you not to flame lmao) and you'll see these people hardly even play ranked games. It's all one big joke.

Ralf JonesMar 23, 20192 votes

Checks match history: Last ranked game 12/25/2018

So that's the day you were perma banned?

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

ModEvangeleMar 23, 20191 votes

Nami Well, as fun as this one was, Im going to give it a lil lock now. Please remember when you are discussing punishments, whether yours or someone else's to be respectful to everyone else posting in the thread. Insults will not be tolerated.