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LOL ILLEGALLY LOADING SCRIPTS ON YOUR COMPUTER FOR BANNING

cattailwind··2 votes·6,075 views

Here is the story.. trust me its absolute. The only way these two separate accounts could be banned is either they are guessing or they are loading a cookie script outside of the game on your computer... no other way to gain MAC address banning. Here is the letter I replied to LOL. I for one won't have this. Computers are not observable by either my government or by some hack job LOL software game. Beware!

Ok.. read this fully and pass it on to management. Your full of Bullshit. We have one computer in the house for gaming. Two accounts on it. Cattailwind and jojoblackbelt. Last week my 13 year old son gets a notice saying his account is banned for 3rd party adds. BULLSHIT.. he doesn't have any nor has he loaded any. Where did you get this information ? Not from him signing in and not from his account. Don't tell me you have any evidence because you F#$%^& don't. Today I was notified my account was banned. Two weeks ago I loaded EloBuddy because it claims it is legal. Since you don't have a list of "illegal" apps I suspected it was ok. Lets get to the facts. My son never had it on his account only me and I had it set up only to turn on when I was trying to figure out what scripting is.. because we ALL know its rampant inside your game. That means you are gathering MAC address shitt and that is illegal in the US on personal computers. YES ILLEGAL. I am a software engineer in the medical field. That would be the only way you would jump to the absolute incorrect idea that his account (jojoblackbelt) has adds. That means that you either lie and take a guess on accounts you ban or you load a cookie script on LOL load onto my f#$%^&* computer to monitor what is on it which would be totally illegal. Which one and don't give me and other gamers that bullshit that you can't tell anyone for your own security. I will run this up as far as I can. So now I have two banned accounts from you pricks with no evidence on what/where/how or why. I will post this on your boards and every board I can find. You are either guessing or illegally hacking personal computers with cookie ran scripts which is bullshit. I sent you multiple, reasonable responses that my 13 year olds account had NO addons and you send be back cookie cutter responses on how it is irreversible... keep your game and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Fellow gamers.. send this out. I am no kid and I've been running software for +30 years. This little experience provides proof that LOL/Riot is up to no good, under the table stuff. I worked in the US military with this same BS underhanded crap... if it smells like BS it is BS. They will never UNDO your account suspension because they "can't tell you how they came to their conclusion"... yea right.

36 Comments

Deep Terror Nami17 votes

Two weeks ago I loaded EloBuddy because it claims it is legal.

Seriously? I took 5 seconds looking at the site and noticed they run botting/hacking/scripts with that. Of course they'll say you won't get banned for it, you don't take their word for it you have to use your head. Sorry man, you screwed yourself there.

I recommend checking out these two articles for guidelines on how to determine what apps/mods are ok, and Riot's stance on 3rd party apps;

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/5kx4F7VE-reminder-third-party-applications

vampirekid136 votes

so, first of all, when you load up the game, the game scans your computer for illegal programs, you dont have to actually load up the program to get banned, you just have to log in to a computer that has it installed.

no one needs your mac address to actually ban you, if your son logged in even once while elobuddy was actually installed on the computer he was also banned.

anyway, you are wrong about what league can and cant do. Blizzard set the standard with warden, an anticheat software that not only scanned all installed programs, but also your ram, and window titles, and everything else on your computer. they went to court and it was found its legal for them to do it in order to enforce rules of their game.

anyway, good job getting your son banned for no reason. lol.

cattailwind1 votes

Vamp thanks for your response.. don't make me feel any worse than I already do... Maybe I'm getting too old but if your correct then scanning outside of a copywrited software program is illegal. It goes into the action of private domain. I can't believe (not you) that any court would allow Blizz to do it let alone LOL.. Where is the old software folks that hated sneaky crap like this? Has this new generation become lemmings..

vampirekid132 votes

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Vamp thanks for your response.. don't make me feel any worse than I already do... Maybe I'm getting too old but if your correct then scanning outside of a copywrited software program is illegal. It goes into the action of private domain. I can't believe (not you) that any court would allow Blizz to do it let alone LOL.. Where is the old software folks that hated sneaky crap like this? Has this new generation become lemmings..

blizzard has been doing it since the release of the first world of warcraft expansion. and a lot of gaming companies followed suit. blizzard went to trial for it because of how invasive it was. they won. then again i dont think anyone has a better legal team than blizzard. so the fact that blizzard set a precedent made it a lot easier for everyone else to follow suit. im all for privacy, but i feel i can sacrifice my privacy to take out scripters. so im ok with it. dunno about you.

Sarutobi3 votes

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Vamp thanks for your response.. don't make me feel any worse than I already do... Maybe I'm getting too old but if your correct then scanning outside of a copywrited software program is illegal. It goes into the action of private domain. I can't believe (not you) that any court would allow Blizz to do it let alone LOL.. Where is the old software folks that hated sneaky crap like this? Has this new generation become lemmings..

I mean it makes sense. By that logic you are basically asking for cheaters/hackers/scripters in your games which is obviously something Riot, nor the community wants!

FurriesAreHot2 votes

It is included in the Terms Of Service, a legally binding document

70640285DEL11 votes

Yes, but that scan involves third party malware, ironically (and illegally). File the suit!

DrCyanide4 votes

If you spend 30 seconds looking at "EloBuddy" you realize it's a platform to run scripts.

Both of your bans are accurate.

cattailwind1 votes

That would be a knot head thought... How would one get banned that hasn't run anything? Beware, your thought process is as convoluted as Riots. Your saying that random bans are fine. That if you Dr.. didn't use a script but got banned you are ok with it? that is what you are saying. And the question still comes to .. how do they do this. Your ok with them placing a boot script on LOL that checks your computer? Look outside the box and be careful. I am not going to try to defend my curiosity with what I thought was just hub-bub of scripting. Yes I put it on and ran it a few times to see what it does.. to be honest it made my game play worse.. too much stuff going on. but that doesn't mean my son's account should be banned? Unless you like others to make decisions based on fact less scenario's. Do I really care I got banned.. no I had 30k IP and was bored with the game but the process needs to be open.

DrCyanide4 votes

What do you download a script platform for if not to run scripts? It wasn't a "random" ban, it was a ban targeted at people who download scripts. Most players aren't foolish enough to download cheating software to begin with.

Quite frankly, Riot has no way to know if the other account was your son's or if it was a second account of yours that you were trying not to get banned.

You've made a lot of questionable statements for someone who is a software engineer. You don't need a "boot script" to check what other processes are running when your program is running. You don't need cookies or MAC addresses to check and see that process is being run when two different accounts log in either. Any software engineer who's looked at desktop applications at all should know that.

ModUlanopo5 votes

The anti-cheat system scans your computer for code that could be used to cheat. The code does not need to be in a running application for the system to detect it, nor do you have to play a match with the code activated for it to count.

This may seem like an illegal invasion of your privacy, but your agreement is in the TOU and there is established precedent that Riot can do this.

Astrovert3 votes

You cheated, you got caught, your mad.

Maybe next time not cheat?

Way to get your kids account banned for being a cheating asshole btw. Parent of the year.

AeroWaffle3 votes

I am a software engineer in the medical field.

Why do people toss around profession claims on the internet as a crutch for their argument? If people think you're wrong, it just makes it look like you were lying to make yourself look big. If people think you're right it doesn't mean anything since they would have thought you were right through the argument anyways.

LostFr0st2 votes

If they're on the same computer there's a high chance that 'Elobuddy' runs stuff in the background, which means it would also run in the background while your son plays...

cattailwind1 votes

It doesn't .. you can only run Elobuddy on my computer by opening up the sign in and entering the user and password. In NO way could he have done it because he doesn't have either. Totally independent which leaves only the two conclusions I have addressed above.. either they load a cookie script on your computer (which happens in todays world way too much) or they are guessing based on associated MAC addresses or player comments (which would be a real sham considering how toxic everyone is). No, I run a tight ship on my computer.. Elobuddy has never ran in the background while my son played. thanks for the response... Riot is highly questionable at times with its corporate rules and now this..

LostFr0st3 votes

You don't have to sign in to Elobuddy for it to leave its mark. Check by enabling 'show hidden processes' <---if you already did that then sry for mentioning it but it should indeed show up.

vampirekid134 votes

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It doesn't .. you can only run Elobuddy on my computer by opening up the sign in and entering the user and password. In NO way could he have done it because he doesn't have either. Totally independent which leaves only the two conclusions I have addressed above.. either they load a cookie script on your computer (which happens in todays world way too much) or they are guessing based on associated MAC addresses or player comments (which would be a real sham considering how toxic everyone is). No, I run a tight ship on my computer.. Elobuddy has never ran in the background while my son played. thanks for the response... Riot is highly questionable at times with its corporate rules and now this..

or the game scans your installed programs and bans you based on that. which is exactly what is happening, and riot has been saying this since like...season 3 when they changed the anticheat to be a lot more aggressive.

Civafu1 votes

There's a list of allowed 3rd party apps tho. It's not official but there's a rioter comment and it's not hard to find it

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt

cattailwind2 votes

Appreciate the link. The problem is that it is NOT an official list by LOL. Words like "use at your own risk" doesn't speak yes or no. I've looked for an official list from LOL and I haven't found one but maybe there is.. if you look up legal LOL script you will get about 1 million hits on the internet with no real answers. Riot is being vague and vague for a reason I suspect.. just like how they determine your ban. At this point, I'll hold those suspicions to myself but they aren't good. Again thank you for the reply!

LostFr0st1 votes

That list means "98% yes, but in the future they may add stuff that we don't approve of." That stuff is pretty much all usable.

DrCyanide5 votes

If you get 1 million hits then you've found 1 million liars. Riot doesn't allow scripts, period.

70640285DEL11 votes

that's not very helpful for the man's problems. try and be constructive?

DrCyanide2 votes

Constructive? OK, here's where he went wrong:

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/225266848-Third-Party-Applications

We don’t like applications that provide measurable player advantage. We’d like to set fair expectations by calling out some features that definitely aren’t okay. Some examples of measurable player advantage:

  • Exposing information that’s intentionally obfuscated (cooldowns or timers)
  • Taking actions on your behalf (botting or scripting)
  • Drawing conclusions for you (predicting enemy positions)
  • Altering your field of intelligence (zoomhacks or global ult alerts)

[...] Some third-party applications offer multiple services, some of which may fall within acceptable territory. If that application offers any unauthorized services, using it at all will still result in the loss of your account.

He downloaded a program that beyond a shadow of a doubt broke Riots policies. Instead of looking up Riots policies himself, he trusted the too-good-to-be-true statement.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

There isn't one, and Riot officially supports Wuks's post.

if you look up legal LOL script you will get about 1 million hits on the internet with no real answers

You shouldn't be looking for ways to cheat...there are no legal scripts. Read Riot's responses in the linked posts to know why they are vague about what is officially support (or rather, why nothing is).

HexaDecimel1 votes

I think in Riots perfect world there would be no third party programs. I bet it would be much easier for Riot to just remove the line all together rather then having to make sure players are staying on the right side of it.

Kitty Cat Tosha7 votes

they keep it vague because it would almost be a fulltime job to keep it up to date. A piece of software that is okay today, might have an update tomorrow that made it NOT okay.

And how you raise your son is not really my business, but I do not envy him the example you are setting for him with this email. Be an adult, own up to what you did. Everyone makes mistakes and its okay if you did, but now you are throwing a tantrum the likes of which the world has never seen since your son was 3.

cattailwind1 votes

LOL Tosha.. I see your European.. I work there all the time. I won't expect you to understand the depths that Americans see freedom and understanding right vs wrong. I have owned up to my situation and I'm not throwing a tantrum. My concern is how far is riot going inside peoples lives to jump from one account to another without any facts? Again you have to see the picture here.. a bit like Snowden or a million other ways of getting within peoples private space... if you accept it you are owned. My concern is how they do it.. not a shallow reason about my account. I could care less about this silly game.

Kitty Cat Tosha4 votes

It's not the content of the message that I was referring to, it was the manner in which it was said.

HexaDecimel2 votes

What does being European have to do with anything? But I guess you are an American, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the basic concepts of respect and humility.

vampirekid131 votes

{quoted}

Appreciate the link. The problem is that it is NOT an official list by LOL. Words like "use at your own risk" doesn't speak yes or no. I've looked for an official list from LOL and I haven't found one but maybe there is.. if you look up legal LOL script you will get about 1 million hits on the internet with no real answers. Riot is being vague and vague for a reason I suspect.. just like how they determine your ban. At this point, I'll hold those suspicions to myself but they aren't good. Again thank you for the reply!

how is that not an "official list" when its written by a senior arbiter and confirmed by a riot employee?

Sukishoo1 votes

Here is the story.. trust me its absolute

Stopped reading.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Two weeks ago I loaded EloBuddy because it claims it is legal.

If that's the case, I have a bridge to sell you.

Third-party application are, by default, black-listed from League of Legends.

While Riot might not punish players for certain programs, that is always subject to change if the application is updated or policy is modified.

You don't use third-party applications. Full-stop.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

You used EloBuddy, get banned nerd

FurriesAreHot1 votes

I've been to law school, and I'm a tech engineer for ITT Technical Institute. Simply installing a script (EloBuddy) modifies the League Of Legends folder, making it flagged as Illegal.

Wolfess1 votes

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Today I was notified my account was banned. Two weeks ago I loaded EloBuddy because it claims it is legal.

this is where you goofed.

Of course they're going to claim they are legal, they want you to use their program. I've seen many elo boosting sites that claim they are legal, which is a joke in all its entirety. Even one where you got to chat with a "representative" where the guy on the chat even claims that they are legit when they ask you for login information (It's hilarious watching these guys try to BS their arguments to get your login info, gives me a good chuckle for the day)

you should have contacted riot and asked them in a ticket if elo buddy was acceptable for use with the game. Sorry to say but this was your fault for just taking their word at face value, which seems like quite a blunder for someone supposedly worked in the military.

SturmPioniere1 votes

Alright mister 30 years 'Murica software engineer. First of all, you agreed to the terms of the application and that lets them collect diagnostic information along with a lot of other non personally identifiable stuff (like your MAC). Secondly, your assertion that this is how they banned both accounts is laughable. Literally hilarious.

Two league accounts playing from the exact same IP address through the same routing, and they deduced they are from the same PC? Clearly this is some next level CIA shadow ops stuff right here.

Finally, you ran scripts despite there being a nonstop and very explicit stance declaring zero tolerance for them. What the hell did you expect?

You're a joke and your post is a joke.

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