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Do you think that the BANNING system has issues?

TjohnnyT··2 votes·2,320 views

We are all humans, and no human makes no mistakes. Being toxic is in our blood, but there are limits of being toxic. What I'm saying is that there are some word like, stfu, noob, idiot, wtf, these should not be considered ban-able because we use them a lot daily. However, telling people to kill themselves or that they shouldn't play this game or any racism speech or talking about family or telling people they are disabled, these people should be banned. The idea of riot banning people is not about saying things, but hurting other people's feeling. However, I didn't hurt anyone's feeling. I was angry for my actions, whereas actions are sometimes taken toxic as what riots puts it. My main point is that players always say things due to anger problems or someone screwed up the game play. When I said somethings such as wtf, I'm simply trying to tell the player that they did something really wrong, and I'm willing to help. Sometimes I as the player if they are new so I can lead them because I have more knowledge then them. When I say noob, is because they made a mistake, trying to get them to prove me wrong; not everyone was arsed the same way or in same environment. So the "LEAGUE OF LEGENDS® TERMS OF USE (NA)" are not really good, they need work on the banning system, make improvement on it. I would like to read your thoughts, if you agree or disagree that Banning system is not good and needs work.

thank you for your time.

I just posted this discussion: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/kOrexn6z-improvements-of-the-game-before-banning Its about Banning system improvement. Sorry if I don't understand some players and repeat what I'm saying, but English is 3rd language please do understand that.

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Umbral Regent5 votes

Being toxic is in our blood...

This is a flat-out lie.

The human condition does not intrinsically involve venting your anger maliciously on other people. Anger (and dealing with it) is a part of the human condition, but not toxicity. Toxicity is just the result of arrogant jerks deciding that they don't want to give the bare-minimum respect other people deserve.

What I'm saying is that there are some word like, stfu, noob, idiot, wtf, these should not be considered ban-able because we use them a lot daily.

Flaming and harassing people is against the rules, so, like it or not, telling people to shut the fuck up, or calling them "noobs" or "idiots" is against the rules, and consequently bannable.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

The idea of riot banning people is not about saying things, but hurting other people's feeling.

Or, it's about toxic players disrupting the game and making it un-fun for everyone else, hurt feelings or no.

When I said somethings such as wtf, I'm simply trying to tell the player that they did something really wrong, and I'm willing to help. Sometimes I as the player if they are new so I can lead them because I have more knowledge then them. When I say noob, is because they made a mistake, trying to get them to prove me wrong; not everyone was arsed the same way or in same environment.

This is all, for lack of better words, absolute malarkey.

If someone made a mistake, they already know. They don't need to prove you wrong, especially when all you're doing is insulting them. You're not making any claims that really deserve to be addressed, let alone that should be proven wrong.

Though, let's put it this way; them reporting you and you getting punished for your misbehavior is them proving you wrong. Satisfied?

So the "LEAGUE OF LEGENDS® TERMS OF USE (NA)" are not really good, they need work on the banning system, make improvement on it.

What, so you can go around calling everyone who displeases you an idiot or a noob? Nah.

I would like to read your thoughts, if you agree or disagree that Banning system is not good and needs work.

The system is fine. Your communication skills on the other hand definitely need more work, if you think "wtf" means "I'm willing to help".

TjohnnyT1 votes

You don't understand that people around the world play this game, you think that everyone was born in USA? or some contry where war does not exist? or using bad word is wrong? I'm not in USA and I see lots of people telling their own mother to stfu and wtf, I have never seen that in my country even though we have war. You need to understand that league is open to everyone, but their punishment is too hard. Like I said, there should be limits. Instead of banning the player and make them feel bad and angry, help them improve their behavior; lol is a big game, they can do suck a thing. Also, toxic is in our BLOOD because people can get toxic over easy things, and I have seen it in my job where I work at Walmart. If you live in an environment where everyone is nice then you are not on Earth my friend. Thanks for helping tho.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

so you're not from the USA, post from an NA account, and work at walmart?

wut?

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Also, toxic is in our BLOOD because people can get toxic over easy things

this is complete crap

TjohnnyT1 votes

I said, I'm not from USA, but I'm in USA. being toxic is in our blood, if you don't think so then you must be out of this world :D Thanks for the help.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

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I said, I'm not from USA, but I'm in USA. being toxic is in our blood, if you don't think so then you must be out of this world :D Thanks for the help.

seeing as you're not FROM the USA I'm not sure how you can can claim to know what's in "our" blood

maybe it's in your blood but as someone born and raised in a great part of the US i can tell you that "being toxic is in our blood" is 100% BULLSHIT

TjohnnyT1 votes

Do you think that people born in USA don't have bad thoughts? they don't get angry? they don't hate? I'm sorry for you, but we are all humans and we all have it. If you don't think so then that it on you. Thanks for the help :D

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

This

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Do you think that people born in USA don't have bad thoughts? they don't get angry? they don't hate?

and this

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being toxic is in our blood

are very different things, dont be obtuse

TjohnnyT1 votes

Do explain more please. Thanks for your help!

AIQ2 votes

Do you think that people born in USA don't have bad thoughts?

Do you not think that people born anywhere don't have "good" thoughts?

So being "nice" is in our blood right? Soooo... why are people toxic?

Is it because we are bad or good? Or could it be simply the fact that it's not that linear?

TjohnnyT1 votes

I agree that we are nice people and we are toxic, that is why I'm making this board, the system is punishing players hard. We are nice to those who are nice but some players make you hate your life on the day you found LoL. Thanks for your help.

AIQ3 votes

Not exactly what I was trying to say. Your dichotomy should be stated as "people (in general) can be nice and can be toxic." Most people try to give people respect (albeit minor sometimes) to each other.

This system has no effect on a person that is being nice. Only on people that are being toxic.

Short example. If someone murders a mans wife, he is not allowed in kind to murder the murderers wife. If he does he will be punished.

Likewise in League if a player is toxic, you are not allowed to be toxic in return. You will be punished.

The auxiliary semantics associated with it are irrelevant. That is the only truth that matters in this situation, you cannot be toxic to fight toxicity.

So things like

some players make you hate your life on the day you found LoL.

don't really matter as thats not an excuse to be toxic.

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

bad thoughts, anger, hate. these are feelings

being toxic is an action, a choice

TjohnnyT1 votes

Ok, do you agree that we all have these things, "anger, hate"? Also, do these get used when the other person makes you use them? Does that mean you are at fault for using your feelings when someone makes you feel bad about yourself? Thanks for helping.

Ecophile1 votes

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Thanks for helping.

You really gotta say that when all you do is repeating the same thing again and again to what people bring to you? You obviously do not want to open your eyes on other's perspectives and just keep hammering that you are toxic and believe everyone is.

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but players make me say them

Mmmh, not too sure about that. If they really make you type that, without your consent, you should probably seek some help... because consent is important! xd

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

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do these get used when the other person makes you use them? Does that mean you are at fault for using your feelings

no one MAKES you do anything over a video game chat window

you CHOOSE to react

Bettnachleger3 votes

toxic is in our BLOOD because people can get toxic over easy things

lol

TjohnnyT1 votes

So, what are you trying to say here? any help? or just "lol"? thanks for your time.

Punctual5 votes

When I said somethings such as wtf, I'm simply trying to tell the player that they did something really wrong, and I'm willing to help.

Then instead of using curse words, how about you give them constructive criticism. Simply saying "wtf" is toxic not helpful.

What I'm saying is that there are some word like, stfu, noob, idiot, wtf, these should not be considered ban-able because we use them a lot daily.

People don't use them a lot daily. If your life is made up of these words, you should rethink what you say and change the way you communicate with others because I can tell you for sure that if you brought that type of language into your work place or home, you would get punished.

I didn't hurt anyone's feeling.

How do you know what you said didn't offend the person? They could be going through depression and negativity could add onto it.

Instead of saying the ToS is wrong, how about you change the way you talk to others?

Hethalean6 votes

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Instead of saying the ToS is wrong, how about you change the way you talk to others?

Good luck convincing people these days that course of action exists. ;)

TjohnnyT1 votes

that is what I am saying, it is not something that can be helped win in short time. Humans need an outcome for what they have to do. Example: you have to work to earn money, so you can buy food and live. If money was not a thing and humans did not need to eat to live then no one would have worked. Do you get what I am saying; that is why I say toxic is in our blood because we don't live in a dream where everything is nice. This is the real work, bad words are something that we use when we get frustrated and angry, but there are limited. That is why I'm saying the ban should be limited to what kind of things are said. I don't like using stfu or noob, but players make me say them, but I'm still improving myself to not using these words, but it isn't something easy to be done in short time. Thanks for the help :).

TjohnnyT1 votes

I do try to be nice, but they flame me man, that makes me angry, I don't want to mute and play because they are not playing right and I don't want to lose in ranked match..... The flamer get a way and I get the ban that is what is happening. My friend, I'm a nice person to those who show respect, but in game you can't really know who is respecting. Players feed, and I lose, I don't give up but I know the result and that gets me to call them noobs. Not everyone is living in a good environment where saying stfu is something wrong. English is my 3rd language, and stfu is not a very bad word that people care about, it is just a thing used to say I don't want to talk to you (for a time limit). I try to use mute, but I need to know what the other player is thinking so I can help win the game even though they losing their lane or flaming me. Thanks for the help tho.

Ecophile1 votes

Not sure you may want to know what they think if they flame you already and don't seem to understand how the game is evolving as they feed...

Slim Gragas2 votes

Riot causes players to be more toxic because of all the unbalance in their game in which causes toxicity over time because of everyone's frustration and anger, they only get more mad when people get banned for bad words, but not for legit trolling matches. It doesn't matter if it's harder to detect a troll or not, it's still infuriating when you are the one who just got muted or banned for some simple bad words while the person who was "stealth" trolling gets a pass everytime. Not everything is detectable by a bot, so they seem to get banned a lot less since you actually need someone to see the match to ban them, because even if they are like 0/10, its still considered a bad match which it can be or not. Not saying that its 100% Riot's fault of course, some people just really have anger issues, but i was never this angry about this game years ago. It's just become so ridiculous especially this season and can cause people to lash out more at eachother. But its not always you initiating the toxicity, you can still be banned for replying to someone else who was originally toxic/trolling. For example, me being temporarily banned for getting mad in chat about someone trolling my ranked match, i get no notice like other times that the player has been penalized, but i get a temp ban just because of bad words.

TjohnnyT1 votes

That is a true point, but I'm hoping for an improvement on their ban system and helping players become better. They should not be hard on their judgment because that makes the person even worse. That is why they need to have real investigators when it gets to 14 days ban and try to help the player improve, instead of telling them why they are getting banned and that is what their deserve. Instead of making the ban, they should tell the player that #more reports and they will do an investigation on the last couple of games and if the reports where true or the player was defending himself saying wtf or stfu to those who are telling him/her that they are going to report him/her. I really dislike players who troll and make it my fault and say they are going to report me, and they have another player saying that they are going to do that, that what makes me say things like, wtf and stfu noob. Thanks for helping.

Vreivai2 votes

It's an automated system, of course it has issues.

TjohnnyT1 votes

thanks for the help.

Eleshakai2 votes

There's always room for improvement, but I think it works pretty well.

My only concern is that they don't manually review BEFORE permanently banning. I feel like that should be the one place where a manual review is performed by default... but aside from that, I'm pretty happy with the way it's working.

TjohnnyT1 votes

The problem is that even when they do, they look at the system and say the same thing; that your account was reported and here are the last 3 game chats. They are not willing to admit that their system needs work and that it is not really good. Thanks for your time.

Eleshakai2 votes

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The problem is that even when they do, they look at the system and say the same thing; that your account was reported and here are the last 3 game chats. They are not willing to admit that their system needs work and that it is not really good. Thanks for your time.

They are ALWAYS working on the system, making small changes here and there, so your statement is fundamentally wrong.

I don't think there's a single person working on it who thinks its perfect.

TjohnnyT1 votes

It maybe true that they are working on it, but they have to lower their punishments or make improvement instead of banning make different things. I already brought an idea to someone who I hope will help me make the explanation better so I can post it here and change the banning system. They system is made to help the player chose to nice or not, so the consequences are picked from the start by the player. Be nice and you get something be bad and you will be punished until you reach the last part of punishment; Also, before getting the punishment you will get a pop up that will tell you about it, and there is a way to get the punishment off by being nice with a small reward. This is just the brad idea. When I get if fixed I'll hope to see your thoughts on it.

Eleshakai2 votes

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It maybe true that they are working on it, but they have to lower their punishments or make improvement instead of banning make different things. I already brought an idea to someone who I hope will help me make the explanation better so I can post it here and change the banning system. They system is made to help the player chose to nice or not, so the consequences are picked from the start by the player. Be nice and you get something be bad and you will be punished until you reach the last part of punishment; Also, before getting the punishment you will get a pop up that will tell you about it, and there is a way to get the punishment off by being nice with a small reward. This is just the brad idea. When I get if fixed I'll hope to see your thoughts on it.

But... you can already get the punishment off by being nice. If you get a 10 game chat restriction, 10 games of being nice will get rid of it! How easy is that?

The only punishments you can't get rid of by being nice are the ones that happen because you've already proven you don't care about being nice.

TjohnnyT1 votes

The problem is they don't tell you, so I don't think that is true. Trying to change takes time, and I did change over time, but I can't do it in one day. That is what riot is not understanding. They have the bans made without you seeing it coming, and they have the perma ban which is very bad.

Eleshakai1 votes

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The problem is they don't tell you, so I don't think that is true. Trying to change takes time, and I did change over time, but I can't do it in one day. That is what riot is not understanding. They have the bans made without you seeing it coming, and they have the perma ban which is very bad.

What do you mean by they don't tell you? Are you saying that the punishment hierarchy isn't published to you? If that's the case then that's a fair critique. Knowing what the next punishment you get would be valuable. I don't know if this is CURRENTLY made clear as I've never been punished, but I can see value in having it tell you 'if you are punished again for this same type of action, then <punishment> will be next' or something along those lines.

Yes, change takes time, that's why you have multiple sets of chat restrictions before you see a ban unless you do something horrendous. They're trying to give you both the opportunity and a little shove to change.

Faneseeker2 votes

yes, we are all human, may I remind you that a very important human trait is the aspiration to be better.

TjohnnyT1 votes

I agree, but do you think that being flamed is easy? No everyone can not respond to a flamer.

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