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PermaBanned - Lost Money / Unjust?

º öT í º··4 votes·2,559 views

Dear Riot, Just like any game, League of Legends has a set of guidelines and rules to follow. I was actually a huge COD fan, up until the summer of 2013 when my best friend introduces me to League. Ever since then, my passion for the game, and interests grew. Watching Montages, Championships, and excelling my own skills immensely. Just like any game, it became more of a passionate goal to get better and better. Throughout these 5 years of playing, I have faced many challenges, whether it be fellow summoners and/or my own friends. No matter what game you play, frustration can grow when you play competitively. I have been suspended a couple times throughout the 5 years of playing. I remember what I said , and what the outcomes were. But i never thought about the possibility of getting Permanently Banned. 5 years of playing league consisted of purchasing many champions, skins, and in-game accessories. Not only was this my First Account, but it is the only ONE that I have invested in since I started my League Of Legends journey. I don't condone unsportsmanlike conduct, nor do I appreciate Negative Attitude towards other players, BUT in game of ALL-Concept Chat, anything can be said, and anything can be said back. Keep in mind, this account has been the only account I have ever spent Money on. It's not embarrassing to say, but If i could add up all purchases I have made for my passion of League, it could be well over a couple thousand dollars. Some might say that is extreme. It could be, but after 5 years of playing and stuff constantly coming out, money adds up. That being said, those 5 years come with hours and hours spent on gaming. I have probably over 3 - 4000 games (if not more) played. Now these games, have basically molded the Type of Player I am now. (skill wise and in-game abilities).
I just cant grasp my mind around the fact that I will no longer be able to LOG into the same Account that I once logged in when i STARTED my journey, I cant LOG in the ONE account I have made Many friends, both locally, and internationally, and I CANT ever enjoy another game of League of Legends the same way on a different account. It's super unfortunate and a stomach-wrenching feeling.
Like i said, I don't condone in-game violence, negative attitude, etc. This is one of the few things that I still cherish from my younger days, whether it be a couple games throughout the month, once a month, or even times I play non-stop. Now that I don't have that opportunity, I don't know what else to do. Making another Account is NOT an option for me. Not after all the time and money I have spent over the past 5 years. I have never reached out to RIOT about this matter until now. What can I do?

37 Comments

Arcade Lulu4 votes

Why did you even get banned?

If the was was justified, riot ain't gonna unban u

º öT í º1 votes

Like stated above, I have been suspended at times throughout my League Career, but at the end of the day, I suppose it was just that time.

SeanpaulI4 votes

you should have think about all of those things before flaming , by the way in a couple of months you'll be on another acc if you have no other game to play trust me

º öT í º1 votes

yeah, without a doubt, but in the moment , you dont ever consider your account being PERM banned, ya know? I dont know , but the whole idea was oblivious to me. on Rare occasions does something happen, but 99% of the time the game is enjoyed by a party of 3 or more of my friends, and they become comical. and no, i dont believe i will be playing League, i just can't take the idea of investing my money in another.

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

They will never lift permabans unless it's an error. If making another account isn't an option for you, then this game is longer an option for you to play. Being toxic is also an option. You can choose not to do it and continue to play by the Term of Use you agreed to or you can be toxic and put everything at risk. You chose the latter.

If Riot Support says no, then there's nothing you can do will ever get your account back.

ModPrandine4 votes

If you wish to actually discuss your punishment and get some help understanding it then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here in this thread. That said you should have already known what behavior was considered punish worthy since by your own admission this isn't the first time you've been in trouble for poor behavior. Permanent bans are only handed out for consistently poor behavior (and after failing to reform after 3+ chances to do so) or for extremely poor behavior (i.e. death threats, hate speech, racist comments, trolling, intentionally feeding, etc.) and are never overturned unless given out in error.

Again if you wish to actually discuss your punishment and get some help understanding it then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here in this thread. Other than that though all I can say is that if you truly valued your account then you should have thought of that before you decided to act up multiple times.

º öT í º1 votes

Dear Riot, Just like any game, League of Legends has a set of guidelines and rules to follow. I was actually a huge COD fan, up until the summer of 2013 when my best friend introduces me to League. Ever since then, my passion for the game, and interests grew. Watching Montages, Championships, and excelling my own skills immensely. Just like any game, it became more of a passionate goal to get better and better. Throughout these 5 years of playing, I have faced many challenges, whether it be fellow summoners and/or my own friends. No matter what game you play, frustration can grow when you play competitively. I have been suspended a couple times throughout the 5 years of playing. I remember what I said , and what the outcomes were. But i never thought about the possibility of getting Permanently Banned. 5 years of playing league consisted of purchasing many champions, skins, and in-game accessories. Not only was this my First Account, but it is the only ONE that I have invested in since I started my League Of Legends journey. I don't condone unsportsmanlike conduct, nor do I appreciate Negative Attitude towards other players, BUT in game of ALL-Concept Chat, anything can be said, and anything can be said back. Keep in mind, this account has been the only account I have ever spent Money on. It's not embarrassing to say, but If i could add up all purchases I have made for my passion of League, it could be well over a couple thousand dollars. Some might say that is extreme. It could be, but after 5 years of playing and stuff constantly coming out, money adds up. That being said, those 5 years come with hours and hours spent on gaming. I have probably over 3 - 4000 games (if not more) played. Now these games, have basically molded the Type of Player I am now. (skill wise and in-game abilities). I just cant grasp my mind around the fact that I will no longer be able to LOG into the same Account that I once logged in when i STARTED my journey, I cant LOG in the ONE account I have made Many friends, both locally, and internationally, and I CANT ever enjoy another game of League of Legends the same way on a different account. It's super unfortunate and a stomach-wrenching feeling. Like i said, I don't condone in-game violence, negative attitude, etc. This is one of the few things that I still cherish from my younger days, whether it be a couple games throughout the month, once a month, or even times I play non-stop. Now that I don't have that opportunity, I don't know what else to do. Making another Account is NOT an option for me. Not after all the time and money I have spent over the past 5 years. I have never reached out to RIOT about this matter until now. What can I do?

º öT í º1 votes

i hope that is what you meant, and also, yes, of course i understand the rules and regulations that they have set forth, and is totally understandable. It was my mistake not to realize. In all honesty, I haven't gotten a suspension until recently, its been several months, if not years, i did not know that suspensions carry over. Even so, its how most people say, you really dont know what you had till you lose it.. and in this scenario, its highly unfortunate, because you can't favor a negative players actions, but in some cases, that's not always the case.

ModPrandine1 votes

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i hope that is what you meant, and also, yes, of course i understand the rules and regulations that they have set forth, and is totally understandable. It was my mistake not to realize. In all honesty, I haven't gotten a suspension until recently, its been several months, if not years, i did not know that suspensions carry over. Even so, its how most people say, you really dont know what you had till you lose it.. and in this scenario, its highly unfortunate, because you can't favor a negative players actions, but in some cases, that's not always the case.

The IFS works on an escalating punishment system that goes as so:

1st offense=10-game chat restriction. 2nd offense=25-game chat restriction. 3rd offense=2-week ban. 4th offense=permanent ban.

It is possible to skip directly to a 2-week ban or permaban if your behavior includes things like trolling/inting, death threats/wishes, hate speech and racist comments. However improve your account so if you do get punished again you get a lesser punishment, like a 25-game CR instead of a 2-week ban for example. It is all based on your behavior and how you behave in games though (i.e. it's based primarily on games played rather than just time spent/played if that makes sense). If you were toxic 5 months ago, take a break for those same 5 months and then come back and act up in your very next game or two, the IFS (Instant Feedback System) is just gonna assume that you still haven't changed your behavior because there's not enough evidence or data to suggest otherwise.

As for what I meant if you log into the client you should be greeted with a pop-up presenting you with a Reform Card that shows the things you typed in 1-3 recent games that led to your punishment. If you can't find it there then file a Support Ticket asking for it. Only your chat is shown because it's only your behavior that got you punished rather than someone elses. If you post that here then people can help you better figure out where you went wrong at and how you can improve for the future. There's no need to repost that giant wall of text though as people can already see it in the OP.

PlebTV1 votes

I recieved 2 - 10 game chat restrictions and just now a 25 game chat restriction. I've posted multiple times on this forum asking for an explanation and none of my posts and been granted any sort of attention from riot or an Advisor or anything. So I guess riot picks and chooses who they talk to and explain things to.

ModPrandine2 votes

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I recieved 2 - 10 game chat restrictions and just now a 25 game chat restriction. I've posted multiple times on this forum asking for an explanation and none of my posts and been granted any sort of attention from riot or an Advisor or anything. So I guess riot picks and chooses who they talk to and explain things to.

Oh really now? Because in your most recent thread you got quite a few responses from people, including an Advisor. You also got a response from someone in your thread before that one as well. You not liking the answers given is allot different than not getting any answers at all. Also, keep in mind that the Advisors and its variants are all volunteers and just like Rioters aren't able or need to respond to every single thread.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

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If you wish to actually discuss your punishment and get some help understanding it then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here in this thread. That said you should have already known what behavior was considered punish worthy since by your own admission this isn't the first time you've been in trouble for poor behavior. Permanent bans are only handed out for consistently poor behavior (and after failing to reform after 3+ chances to do so) or for extremely poor behavior (i.e. death threats, hate speech, racist comments, trolling, intentionally feeding, etc.) and are never overturned unless given out in error.

Again if you wish to actually discuss your punishment and get some help understanding it then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here in this thread. Other than that though all I can say is that if you truly valued your account then you should have thought of that before you decided to act up multiple times.

It would require legal action and win at that action to force riot to overturn their perma ban decision. This would result in some changes to the ToU as well.

Kei1433 votes

You either make a new amount or leave the game.

You won't get your money back.

º öT í º2 votes

Leaving the game is a heartbreaking decision, but its the choice I'm going to have to make. If you look up at T3H UB3RN07's response, I explain why.

Hammermancer2 votes

best thing I can suggest is that you get on an alt, be super nice, get a decent rank, and then re-approach them next season with good honors and reformed record

º öT í º2 votes

In all honesty, I am 22 years of age, in less than 13 days I will be leaving to BOOT. Not that any of that matters to you, but the point I'm trying to make is, I simply just don't have time to do all of that, My Friend. I want to be able to Log on My ONE and Only account once in awhile and throw in a couple games. It's more of a memory at this point, something that I can still relate my older times to. It's sad to say, but if this is the case of getting banned, I just can't see myself doing the same thing to another.

NocturnalSheild1 votes

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In all honesty, I am 22 years of age, in less than 13 days I will be leaving to BOOT. Not that any of that matters to you, but the point I'm trying to make is, I simply just don't have time to do all of that, My Friend. I want to be able to Log on My ONE and Only account once in awhile and throw in a couple games. It's more of a memory at this point, something that I can still relate my older times to. It's sad to say, but if this is the case of getting banned, I just can't see myself doing the same thing to another.

Meh I have plenty of freind in the army,navy and airforce.

They play games almost constantly.

Do your job properly and dont cause you fellows any harm and the army is easy peasy.

Gear Jammer1 votes

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In all honesty, I am 22 years of age, in less than 13 days I will be leaving to BOOT. Not that any of that matters to you, but the point I'm trying to make is, I simply just don't have time to do all of that, My Friend. I want to be able to Log on My ONE and Only account once in awhile and throw in a couple games. It's more of a memory at this point, something that I can still relate my older times to. It's sad to say, but if this is the case of getting banned, I just can't see myself doing the same thing to another.

Oh well this will be the least of your worries soon enough. Good luck in boot.

Coopa1238 votes

Which absolutely and with 100% certainty will not work. Justified permanent bans for toxicity are never lifted

º öT í º2 votes

what about Tyler 1?

ModPrandine5 votes

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what about Tyler 1?

Tyler1 received an ID ban, meaning that any accounts that were found to belong to him were banned on the spot. Only the ID ban was lifted though, meaning that he no longer has to fear having his accounts instabanned on the spot. His permabanned accounts remain permabanned to this day.

Hammermancer3 votes

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Tyler1 received an ID ban, meaning that any accounts that were found to belong to him were banned on the spot. Only the ID ban was lifted though, meaning that he no longer has to fear having his accounts instabanned on the spot. His permabanned accounts remain permabanned to this day.

So reforming isn't even good in your eyes

ok, sometimes I think the ban system is just there to get people to rebuy the same shit over and over

ModPrandine2 votes

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So reforming isn't even good in your eyes

ok, sometimes I think the ban system is just there to get people to rebuy the same shit over and over

Tyler1 had over 20 accounts permabanned around the time Riot decided to ID ban him. Before then he was repeatedly ruining other peoples games constantly with no care for anyone else but himself. He was also from my understanding streaming his poor behavior live on Twitch for people to see and making money for doing it. When someone is this dedicated to ruining the experience of other league players across multiple accounts with no interest in shaping up I see no reason why Riot shouldn't ID ban them.

That said, the fact that Riot was willing to release the ID ban on him shows that Riot is willing to give even ID banned players another shot at redemption, but only if that player proves that they deserve it. Now whether or not he actually deserved to get unbanned is a matter for another thread, but Riot isn't as heartless as most banned troll ragers think they are.

CooL Ice Tea2 votes

It's there to get rid of people which harras other customers. If a restaurant owner kicks 2 people out because they are fighting it's not because he wants them to buy the exact food order the next day again.

If someone is trolling and another person is shit talking him for that i have 2 idiots in my team which are fking my game up. If i had that in every game since it's not being punished i would think about leaving this game and play something else.

You wouldn't go to the next starbucks if every customer there would yell and insult at each other.

Gloric3 votes

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It's there to get rid of people which harras other customers. If a restaurant owner kicks 2 people out because they are fighting it's not because he wants them to buy the exact food order the next day again.

If someone is trolling and another person is shit talking him for that i have 2 idiots in my team which are fking my game up. If i had that in every game since it's not being punished i would think about leaving this game and play something else.

You wouldn't go to the next starbucks if every customer there would yell and insult at each other.

But going by your analogy. Starbucks would have a dude with a gun, stealing from the store, a dude raping some women in the corner. And Starbucks instead of actually calling the police and getting the real criminals punished, are instead demanding the guy who is a bit irrate and swearing too often, or even the guy who tried to stop the guy raping the woman/the guy who stands up to the guy with a gun (even if in a dumb way), demanding that he leave the store for being toxic.

I'm not even joking, this is an accurate analogy of what's wrong with League's punishment system.

AeroWaffle3 votes

I'm not even joking, this is an accurate analogy of what's wrong with League's punishment system.

No it isn't. Because there is nothing that you can say or do that will actually prevent someone from being an asshole in league. Fighting fire with fire just starts a verbal war in chat.

Gloric2 votes

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No it isn't. Because there is nothing that you can say or do that will actually prevent someone from being an asshole in league. Fighting fire with fire just starts a verbal war in chat.

I think you missed my point. What you said it pure logic, sure, nothing a trolled party says to the troll will change anything. But it vents frustration, frustration from years of trolls being untouched. But also, the point you missed; The only people being punished are the people firing back, not the grave instigators of pure and utter trolling within the game.

I can assure you that if i knew a troll was getting banned after a game of 100% legitimate banning, I would never have gotten as angry over this game as I did.

AeroWaffle2 votes

If "venting frustration" was a valid excuse, many trolls would argue that they were just "venting frustration" at having such horrible teammates time and time again.

It's not an acceptable excuse. You're responsible for your own behavior and the fact that it's harder to detect and catch someone for trolling doesn't mean that the system should be intentionally turning a blind eye towards other forms of poor behavior.

Gloric3 votes

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If "venting frustration" was a valid excuse, many trolls would argue that they were just "venting frustration" at having such horrible teammates time and time again.

It's not an acceptable excuse. You're responsible for your own behavior and the fact that it's harder to detect and catch someone for trolling doesn't mean that the system should be intentionally turning a blind eye towards other forms of poor behavior.

My god you still miss the point. I'm not arguing for individual fucking innocence. I'm arguing for the overall problem and why the toxicity is there, Riot's responsibility and role within the increased toxicity, and how their focus is solely on one side of the spectrum, ignoring the role of their complacency towards trolls and such. If we're going to talk about the problem, talk about the entire problem. And right now, one side gets insane levels of punishment, while the other clearly does not. Of course that is going to increase anger and frustration within the community for those who give a shit/care.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Considering that the first punishment for trolling/intentional feeding is a 14-day ban, skipping both the previous punishments, while poor chat behavior often results in several chat restrictions before reaching the 14-day ban I don't see where you're making the claim that one side is getting insane levels of punishments.

Bahtzcrank2 votes

I actually have never had a chat ban and immediately got a 14 for flaming a troll just now so thats wrong. The troll is probably ruining some other guys game right now though. Im fine with my ban Its w/e I said some stupid shit. But lets start removing the instigators for once

AeroWaffle1 votes

while poor chat behavior often results in several chat restrictions

Extremely poor chat behavior results in escalation. The kind of behavior you should know was unacceptable in front of other humans.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

Starbucks would have a dude with a gun, stealing from the store, a dude raping some women in the corner.

first of all, never is your health or your life in danger while you play a video game. There are laws which allow you to defend yourself from anything that will cause damage do you or your health. But there is no law i can remember which allows you to defend yourself with punching someone down cause he said or did something stupid (toxic behaviour or trolling). It sounds like you want to hurt people, that's why i am using the punching example.

Secondly:

I'm not even joking, this is an accurate analogy

Is it? You wanna tell me you are fine with an analogy which makes a Troll a Rapist or a life threat?

What about this one:

A guy is in a coffee shop and he is throwing his coffee over you (intended but without looking that way). Now you are going for a shout out, he is "flaming" you back and you 2 get in a word fight. I can promise you that you both will get kicked out since you are distracting the other customers.

Now lets pretend he finished his coffee (intended but without any chance to proof that) over you again. You start to yell at him and he says sorry and smiles at you. Now YOU, fully knowing that he is trying to piss you off, you keep blaming and calling him out as he stays calm and trys to trigger you even more.

Which one of you is getting kicked out of the Coffee shop? Answer this like an objective adult.

Gloric2 votes

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first of all, never is your health or your life in danger while you play a video game. There are laws which allow you to defend yourself from anything that will cause damage do you or your health. But there is no law i can remember which allows you to defend yourself with punching someone down cause he said or did something stupid (toxic behaviour or trolling). It sounds like you want to hurt people, that's why i am using the punching example.

Secondly:

Is it? You wanna tell me you are fine with an analogy which makes a Troll a Rapist or a life threat?

What about this one:

A guy is in a coffee shop and he is throwing his coffee over you (intended but without looking that way). Now you are going for a shout out, he is "flaming" you back and you 2 get in a word fight. I can promise you that you both will get kicked out since you are distracting the other customers.

Now lets pretend he finished his coffee (intended but without any chance to proof that) over you again. You start to yell at him and he says sorry and smiles at you. Now YOU, fully knowing that he is trying to piss you off, you keep blaming and calling him out as he stays calm and trys to trigger you even more.

Which one of you is getting kicked out of the Coffee shop? Answer this like an objective adult.

I would follow the guy out of the store, pull him into some nook or cranny and punch his teeth square out of his mouth and probably maim the %%%% lol. But since this is a game I have to rely on the system to punish the twats like this, the system needs to be that much better. And if it can't be, it needs to be JUST as forgiving to those who lose their temper. This is 2 sides of a coin, and right now the coin looks like this in terms of punishment ratio; ¯ (this gets corrected due to spam filter but think of it as 10x longer on each side)

But you should get the jist of what i'm saying.

DBS Ronovon2 votes

Take the loss of money, this is Riot stealing from players. Or hire a lawyer and do a class action lawsuit, calling their ToU into question, and eliminate toxic based perma bans entirely.

WorksAtAGayBar1 votes

So what did you actually say that made Riot permaban you? You still haven't said.

stainlord1 votes

stop playing lol....., no proper rules

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