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Banned for a joke taken out of context.

IArmedWithWingsI··1 votes·1,100 views

I was recently banned for telling someone to 'kys' even though this isn't, according to the code of conduct against the rules, and I was joking it was a clearly a joke.One Rioter said 'kys' falls under hate speech when by definition hate speech is talk that attacks an individual or a specific group based on a protected attribute such as the target’s sexual orientation, gender, religion, disability, color, or country of origin. It doesn't fall under harassment by definition because I wasn't being aggressive or trying to intimidate anyone.The enemy cho gath said at the beginning of the game "You wouldn't hurt a little cho gath would you?" And I responded with "kys".Even though NOWHERE IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT does it say i'm not allowed to say this even jokingly I have my honor reset and a 14 day suspension and the next time something like this happens I could be banned.When I spoke with a Rioter(Hana) in a live chat she implied that Riot can remove anyone they please if they feel like they are harming others.I'm pretty sure that Cho gath forgot I even exist after that game while i'm here suspended with my honor reset on the verge of losing all my money,2 years of playtime,and progress playing that game because of a joke I made.I know people may not find saying 'kys' funny but this is my sense of humor and a lot of people tend to share the same dumb sense of humor as I do,I mean memes are proof of this.My intention wasn't to hurt the Cho's feelings or be toxic in general.My understanding of toxicity is unclear since I see people like Qtpie and IWD flame their teammates all the time and never get banned.I have ADHD so i'm pretty impulsive which is dangerous with my sense of humor,since if I think it i'll immediately type it without thinking about the outcome,i'm honestly afraid that i'm going to do this again and get perma banned,Riot isn't listening to me and I don't know who else to turn to.I tried not typing,I got banned for the same exact reason in August and stopped using chat but I forgot why I stopped using it and used it again for better communication and surprise! Banned again.I just want to know what the community thinks about this since Riot Hana told me to come post it on the boards after closing my chat after I rebutted her claim that I was using hate speech with facts.

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Jo0o4 votes

There's a space after the period in English. Perhaps it's not your first language, but hey, you're on NA.

"kys" isn't hate speech, but as it's a call for somebody to kill themselves, it receives the same treatment as hate speech: zero tolerance. I'm not going to get into a pedantic discussion with you over what you interpret the code of conduct to say. You told somebody to kill themselves. Over a video game. That's fucked up, and if you were trying to "make a joke", you need to seriously re-evaluate your sense of humor.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

If it's not hate speech it shouldn't be treated as such,I could of been telling Cho to kill himself in the game since it was aram,but just saying that could be taken out of context to make it seem like I was telling him to him kill himself irl,it's all about perspective.

Jo0o2 votes

You knew damn well what you were saying, and none of your half-assed explanations will fool anybody.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

If it's not hate speech it shouldn't be treated as such,I could of been telling Cho to kill himself in the game since it was aram,but just saying that could be taken out of context to make it seem like I was telling him to him kill himself irl,it's all about perspective,also " Over a video game. That's fucked up, and if you were trying to "make a joke", you need to seriously re-evaluate your sense of humor."

1.I was not upset at this player or upset in general I was simply joking 2."That's fuck up." You must be new to the internet if you think saying 'kys' is fucked up. 3.humor is perspective and subjective and we all have our own sense of humor and i'm not going to change it because YOU don't like it. 4.Since you want to be the grammar police you don't say you're on North America,it's 'In' even if you meant NA server it's In the NA server not on.

Jo0o1 votes

I usually don't give a shit about being the grammar police, but your posts are ridiculously hard to read. All the words get clumped up. It messes up folks who read quickly.

Your sense of humor got you banned, so I'm hardly a single voice concerning its quality.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

Yeah because not putting a space after a period is sooooooooo hard to read. No one said you were a single voice you just seem to be like one of those people who think that their humor is the only funny humor/acceptable and their opinion is the only valid one same with Riot,they already have issues with admitting to their wrong even when it's supported with facts it's the same here,there was no way I would of known that i'd get banned for this since it's not in the code of conduct and I don't really get involved in the boards/riot support I just play the game so for me to be suspended and my honor reset for something I didn't know rather than getting a warning like they do with leaverbuster isn't really fair in my opinion and i'm expressing that.Right now what you are doing can be viewed as being toxic,saying my humor is fucked up,making fun of my grammar for just not spacing a period,further putting me down for just expressing my opinion.

Jo0o1 votes

I'm not making fun of anything involving your grammar. Assuming English isn't your first language, I'm telling you that there's a convention of the language that you're missing that will help you communicate better if you adapt.

I'm not expressing my opinion, I'm expressing the opinion of Riot, the controllers of the game you're playing. You agreed to their terms of service when you got your account. It happens to mirror my own opinion, sure.

Riot's not your babysitter. They don't need to provide you a list of specific things you aren't allowed to do or say. The Summoner's Code, broadly, tells you to treat your fellow players with respect and to not flame or harass them. Telling somebody to kill themselves is a FLAGRANT violation of the rules of conduct in this game, not to mention a common-sense violation of basic human decency. At-risk teens are allowed to play this game, and your disregard for sportsmanlike conversation could be at best hurtful and at worst actively damaging to people. THAT'S why you got a ban.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

It's not about specific things,just general would be fine but they said specifically hate speech and saying 'kys' doesn't fall under that category,it doesn't fall under any category in the code of conduct yet I got banned for saying it,if you were going to take medicine and all it said for the side effects is: May cause side effects wouldn't you want to know what specific side effects it may cause before you take it? I already know why I got banned i'm stating why I believe it's not valid and I spent a fair amount of money buying rp so as a customer and supporter of this company y'know the people who are making them money I expect to be not banned,wasting all that money for something I didn't know I could get banned for.I understand NOW why it's bannable but it doesn't mean i'm not going to be upset for getting banned about it in the first place when I was unaware even after reading the code of conduct to verifiy what I can and can't do.

Jo0o1 votes

You said something horrible and don't see it specifically addressed in the code of conduct. That's no excuse.

Since you've acknowledged that you "understand NOW why it's bannable", then you recognize that it was a horrible thing to say to somebody. With that in mind, re-read the Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

Number 4 in the Code addresses saying horrible shit to people:

Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense "Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get >excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining >anybody else's day. Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete >stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react >unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once >communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured >teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success.

Beyond the letter of the law, thinking that you have immunity to something just because nobody has explicitly named it as something you cannot do is a dangerous view of how the world works. My roommates and I signed a "roommate contract" when we moved in together regarding a division of chores and basic rules of conduct in the house we share. Nowhere in the contract does it state that I can't go take a shit in my roommate's bed. Do you honestly think I could get away with taking a shit in my roommate's bed?

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

1.I see why it's bannable now because they told me it is,not because it's a horrible thing to say IN THEIR OPINION. 2.I'm pretty sure most people would agree that pooping on the place where they sleep is way worse than someone telling them to 'kys' in a video game where they will probably never see that person ever again in real life and in the game. 3.Me and the Cho were on opposite teams and it was an aram game,a gamemode meant to be laid back and not taking seriously. 4.Again,instead of just assuming that someone is offending you,you could always just communicate this like a community should and rather than punish someone for being by Riot's definition toxic,focus on reform to show they actually care about their players,imagine how this could've turned out if Riot got in contact with Cho and we got together in a chat or call and talked this out so he could tell his side of it and i'd tell mine,we'd settle our differences,i'd apologize and we could possibly become friends and go back to playing the game leaving off on a good note.

Jo0o1 votes

Christ on a jetski, that's a stretch.

Is it so much to ask that you take responsibility for your actions and reform?

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I'm not toxic,that's the problem and I am taking responsibility for what I said,saying kys can hurt someone's feelings but I won't know this unless the person tells me this,and I don't like the idea of having to censor myself because society says something is wrong,I believe in the freedom of speech,I have nothing against Cho and I was just trying to make the enemy team cheer up a bit I do this all the time,the enemy team will say "glhf" and i'll respond with 'kys' which normally results in a few 'lols' and 'xD's here and there and we get along,that's how I met most of the people on my friendslist,through humor.I understand that not everyone is going to take me saying that as a joke i'm not asking you to,but you could at least not get my acc suspended and my honor reset because you don't agree with what I said in an aram game.

Jo0o1 votes

Freedom of speech is meaningless in regards to the communication between two players in a video game. Come on.

Here's the crux of the issue: It's not the responsibility of others, in League or otherwise, to inform you when you're being shitty. It's your responsibility to not be shitty in the first place. You don't get to decide whether what you're saying is offensive; it is the privilege of the recipient of your speech to determine how they feel about what you're saying. You won't find that in a rule book anywhere, that's just a fundamental truth about communication.

If nothing else, take this as real-world lesson on effective communication. You will never get a pass for somebody being hurt, outraged, offended or otherwise uncomfortable with what you're saying based on your intent not being adequately conveyed to them. You cannot make assumptions on how somebody will receive your questionable expressions, ESPECIALLY when you're using an imperfect form of communication such as internet chat. You cannot convey tone, body language, or timing with this form of communication, so it was foolish of you to assume that your contemporaries would understand what you meant.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes
  1. Implying that i'm shitty for making a joke:Not toxic I guess. 2.That's perspective so how am I supposed to know that i'm being a 'shitty person' to someone if they don't show it. 3.If you don't understand something why make assumptions when you could easily figure it out by asking/communicating? Where's the logic behind that?
Jo0o1 votes

As fun as this has been, I'm done with it. You're clearly more interested in attempting to win cheap internet arguments than you are in actually developing an understanding of societal expectations and effective communication.

It is utterly ridiculous and indefensible that, after your second ban for saying "kys", you still claim ignorance and innocence. You have a shockingly toxic attitude that has failed you in league and will likely fail you in the real world as well. For your sake, I hope losing your League account will be a low point from which you will learn and mature... but based on this conversation, I don't think it likely.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I already understand your ideology doesn't mean i'm going to conform to it because you feel it's right,and shockingly toxic attitude? because i'm a free thinker and I don't just go with whatever is PC? You can go ahead and do that this entire time you've just been arguing your side without even bothering to look at my point of view at all,and in the real world there are going to be people who are way worse than me,rather than trying to just get rid of these people maybe you should teach yourself how to cope with them,the world doesn't revolve around just your opinions I was simply showing you mine,you don't have to agree with it,as you are trying to make me do with yours.Then when I ask valid questions you decide to leave,understandable,you can't really argue with logic.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

Riot isn't listening to me...

Riot is listening to you -- they're simply under no obligation to agree. A private company is allowed to set rules for behavior on their property (real or virtual), and Riot has decided that telling another player to end their own life is not acceptable behavior for a video game.

I would agree that it isn't hate speech, but I would say that it falls into the same unacceptable category as that. While comedians use that language, many also use terms we consider hate speech. The important catch there is that their comedy is an entirely opt-in experience: you know what to expect when you go to see comedians who make that language part of their act.

That isn't the case in League. No one signed up to go into a game only to be told to kill themselves. THAT is what makes it unacceptable. If you want to use that language among people you know are 100% okay with it, do it with my blessings. Don't, however, force people to experience that sort of "joke" without knowing it's okay with your audience.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

No one is forcing anyone to experience that sort of joke,they have a mute button and they could always you know communicate??? and say "Hey,I didn't find that funny,are you actually being toxic or just joking?" This is what's wrong with the world nowadays everyone is so quick to get offended but no one wants to discuss why or even accept that not everyone thinks like them,if the Cho were to say this I would of apologized knowing that he found this offensive instead he just stays quiet till the end of the game and says "This is why people think the community is toxic."

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}No one is forcing anyone to experience that sort of joke,they have a mute button and they could always you know communicate???

The existence of a shield is not a defense for firing the first shot. If you want to use offensive jokes, the responsibility is to check that the audience is receptive FIRST, rather than blaming them when the reception is not appreciated. The mute button exists to avoid toxicity and offensive behavior when it is encountered, but it does NOT exist to EXCUSE such behavior.

This is what's wrong with the world nowadays everyone is so quick to get offended but no one wants to discuss why or even accept that not everyone thinks like them...

No one is saying that everyone thinks the same, or should. That's different from saying that Riot is obligated to change their rules just because someone disagrees. I personally, for example, hate it when people shout in movie theaters. Some people want to be able to shout in movie theaters. Is my local theater obligated to allow shouting, or only ban shouting if someone shouts at the screen and I tell them nicely that I'd prefer they didn't shout? No -- they can just say "hey -- we don't allow shouting at the screen here. Go to another theater if you don't like our rules."

ModUlanopo1 votes

This is what's wrong with the world nowadays everyone is so quick to get offended but no one wants to discuss why or even accept that not everyone thinks like them,if the Cho were to say this I would of apologized knowing that he found this offensive instead he just stays quiet till the end of the game and says "This is why people think the community is toxic."

Why would you have it be the Cho's responsibility to speak up? That's hardly fair. Cho's not the one using inappropriate speech. Cho shouldn't have to deal with the inevitable crybabies who will accuse him of being weak or sensitive for having done so (seeing as how you have already accused people of this in this thread, certainly you can see how it would happen).

Not only are you responsible for what you say, but you could have very easily found a better way to suggest the Cho die so he could shop. As a matter of fact "die to shop" is an excellent suggestion for that circumstance.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

It's Cho's responsibility because he knows that it's offending him I DON'T.Here you go forcing your ideologies and morals on someone else. 1.It's your opinion that it's inappropriate speech. 2.If I were to call him weak for telling me that he doesn't find it funny or offensive then that'd actually be toxic and I said 'seems' meaning from observing how people were responding to this with their own morals rather than having an open mind.

ModUlanopo1 votes

{quoted}

It's Cho's responsibility because he knows that it's offending him I DON'T.Here you go forcing your ideologies and morals on someone else.

That's completely backwards. You are responsible for the consequences of your speech and behavior at all times.

1.It's your opinion that it's inappropriate speech.

Actually, it's the community's opinion that it should not be tolerated.

2.If I were to call him weak for telling me that he doesn't find it funny or offensive then that'd actually be toxic and I said 'seems' meaning from observing how people were responding to this with their own morals rather than having an open mind.

To which I would reply that you are doing exactly what you accuse us of: responding to this with your morals rather than having an open mind You feel the incident should be viewed and responded to in light of your values, while remaining unwilling to consider other peoples' perspective.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

it isn't that it's an option for comedy. comedians you know are joking and can hear their tone of voice. some randomwad on the internet in a tiny text box is a different story. even after reading the explanation he was joking I couldn't tell with the text exchange. I hope he got off with a warning or a short ban now he knows people are that sensitive about something so minor.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I got a 14 day suspension with my honor reset i'm more upset about my honor being reset because I worked hard to get it back and now they are threatening to ban my ban account the next time this happens. I have ADHD i'm impulsive, I won't be surprised if in a few months i'll forget and do the same thing out of impulse and lose my money and progress.

Rester2 votes

"kys" falls under Zero-Tolerance. End of story.

No matter what context, circumstance, or otherwise.

ModPeriscope1 votes

"Sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

Well now you know.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

And you think you should still be arrested for something you didn't know even when it wasn't clearly stated that it was illegal?

Jo0o1 votes

Is that a serious question?

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

If you are going to be sarcastic and passive aggressive you can just leave the discussion,I already dealt with Riot with that and I don't need to see it coming from someone who is actually being toxic.That's clearly a serious question,you are just trying to belittle and mock me.

ModUlanopo3 votes

You don't need to be snotty in your response. I think he was simply incredulous that you would make the argument that ignorance of the rule should mitigate your punishment - especially given we haven't anywhere near established your ignorance.

If you're looking for the punishment systems to mirror American jurisprudence, you're really out of luck. There's a well-established precedent that ignorance is not a defense at law.

Jo0o1 votes

This is much more eloquent than my "I can't shit in my roommate's bed" metaphor above.

ModPeriscope2 votes

There are plenty of very basic laws that every human regardless of where you're born know and abide by. Sometimes it's called the "Golden Rule".

Here, it's don't be a jerk.

I could buy that you might think it were ok when other players harass others with your typical "Dude you stink. Sell that skin. omg why didn't you exhaust." This junk would normally result in a chat restriction (barring prior punishments) and if anything, inform the offender of the rule.

But when you use hate speech or tell someone to go kill themselves, there's no way you can rationalize using that language. It doesn't belong in games. It doesn't belong anywhere.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

You are enforcing your opinions and ideology on others, just because you feel like it's wrong doesn't mean it automatically is. I went through depression after my parent's divorce and my grandfather's death,I used humor to cope with this and make light out of sad or depressing things such as death is this wrong?

ModPeriscope1 votes

You are enforcing your opinions and ideology on others,

You're right. That's pretty far from what your post is about. I apologize, I shouldn't have even brought it up.

You came here posting about "kys" and why you felt this was over the top, since you were joking. So two things:

  1. KYS is wrong, and worse than your run-of-the-mill toxicity
  2. It should be abundantly clear that this absolutely not tolerated

2 relates to your "I was joking so I shouldn't be so harshly punished" (paraphrased) in your OP. Punishing it even when it's in jest shows you how seriously they take the subject of suicide as well as hate speech.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

1.Opinion. 2.That is true it has become not tolerated but it isn't clear that even when you are joking you'd be punished that drastically when other players do worse and get chat restrictions. 3.It does not hate speech, look up the definition of hate speech. 4.Would you rather have someone who constantly harasses you in game or someone says 'kys' when you say 'hi' at the beginning of the game. Because apparently harassment is worse than that.

ModPeriscope1 votes

If we disagree on 1, then there's not much else to discuss. The next step after a 2-week is a permanent ban. You can get your account back into good standing after your punishment, but only by playing non-toxic games.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I already know how it works I was banned before for being actually toxic because an enemy player kept BMing me.I got all the way back up to honor 3 only to get banned again for joking,that's my issue,not that I was banned but why I was.I just really dislike when people can't communicate and would rather jump to punishment rather than discussion.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I appreciate you not being a hypocrite and being toxic while discussing this like the people who are calling me out for being toxic are ironically doing.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

A better example, do you think someone who jokes about shooting up the school should be charged the same as someone who actually shoots up the school?

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

Also,being a jerk is perspective,I could say you're being a jerk for making fun of grammar even though you said you didn't mean to,but that's the way I took it,does that make you a jerk still?

ModPeriscope2 votes

I don't think I made fun of your grammar. The boards should be a comfortable place as long as everyone can understand one another. So, feel free to space, comma, or hyphenate wherever the h-ck you want.

Anastaecia1 votes

It's harassment which IS against the rules. There you go, wrong category...fixed, ez.

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

Harassment:aggressive pressure or intimidation. Aggression:a forceful action or procedure especially when intended to dominate or master Intimidation:frighten or overawe (someone), especially in order to make them do what one wants.

I just said 'kys' jokingly because Chogath asked:"you guys wouldn't hurt a tiny cho gath would you?" I was not trying to frighten this person who is probably older than me. I was not aggressively pressuring him into doing anything.

ModUlanopo1 votes

I just said 'kys' jokingly because Chogath asked:"you guys wouldn't hurt a tiny cho gath would you?"

So, wait, which was it? Did you tell the Cho to kill himself so he could shop or because you thought it was funny?

IArmedWithWingsI1 votes

I told Cho as a champion to kys.

AraMoOse1 votes

{quoted}

I told Cho as a champion to kys.

Ok, so can we just cut through all the bullshit and agree that you won't say that again? It doesn't really matter that you disagree with the judgment as your opinion is not relevant to the judgment itself.

If that's the only thing you say to people, then stop saying it and you'll be fine and we don't have to put up with your paragraphs upon paragraphs of half assed excuses anymore.

Chermorg1 votes

I was recently banned for telling someone to 'kys' even though this isn't, according to the code of conduct against the rules

You know, I didn't think a code of conduct would have to explicitly prohibit encouraging someone to literally end their entire life, completely, for good, over a video game.

Coran1 votes

Yeah you don't tell people that as a general rule of being a good person.

ModUlanopo1 votes

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