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🔒 P.S.A To Create A Less Homophobic Community! [HAS SEMI-EXPLICIT PICTURES (BLURRED SWEARING)]

MID OR ÁFK··16 votes·2,255 views
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Hey guys, I'm gonna rant for a bit as this is an important subject to me, feel free to disagree/agree in the comments down below :) Also, this is a re-post as I didn't know name shaming wasn't allowed, so I deleted my old post and recreated it without the usage of the homophobic players name involved.

Today I encountered a player in the NA server. He was severely homophobic without anyone provoking him. He used some insensitive insults towards one of my teammates which involved being gay, so I then stood up for him and briefly discussed with him his views on gay men (This discussion was very quick as I did not want to ruin the game by talking). The moment I stood up for my teammate, he asked me "are you a gay boy trist?" (I said yes, because I am, but I also mentioned that it doesn't matter what my sexuality is, I just don't like people hating on others for no reason). I ended up just muting him and reporting after the game, once I got screen shots of his awful words. Anyways, here are some screen shots of the chat up there^^^, and I'd really appreciate it if Riot checked out his account and previous games, as I reported him at the end of the game. Also, those screen shots aren't of everything he said, I didn't want to waste too much time taking screen shots, so I just got the general idea for the pictures. I just want this community to crack down on homophobia, and to make this game inclusive to everybody, no matter who they are.

This is a P.S.A to all players, that if you see someone being severely homophobic, here's something you CAN do, even if it's a competitive, fast paced game: If you are in-game, and you don't have time for chat, you should just mute the homophobic person, and you can report them after the game. The report is really important, because it shows players that homophobia, and any other kind of hatred, is not accepted in this community.

I'm honestly sorry for writing such a long rant, and I know my opinions are NOT 100% correct (as everyone has different morals and things they stand for). This subject is very important to me, as there's quite a bit of homophobia online, and in the League community. I honestly don't care what this guy said to me in particular, because I'm mature enough to not care what some homophobic guy on the internet says about me. This posts main intention is to try to get the LOL community to become just a tinnyyy bit less homophobic, so it's a little bit more pleasant for EVERYONE

If you are wondering why I decided to add those photos to this post, it is because I wanted to show that homophobia is very real in the community, and that I'm not just basing all of this on nothing. If Riot decides that the photos are too explicit, I'll remake this post but without the photos. Thanks for reading this, if you've managed to read this whole thing that is impressive :) [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

110 Comments

Glîtchy7 votes

Why can't we just call it "prejudice" instead of making up words that make no sense?

phobic means "afraid" not "hateful"

ModDaenrysTargaryen8 votes

homophobic ho·mo·pho·bic /hōməˈfōbik/ adjective having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people. "homophobic remarks"

Glîtchy4 votes

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homophobic ho·mo·pho·bic /hōməˈfōbik/ adjective having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people. "homophobic remarks"

My point being, just call it "Prejudice" also I stand by what I said about "phobic" making 0 sense here

YerroFever3 votes

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My point being, just call it "Prejudice" also I stand by what I said about "phobic" making 0 sense here

Is this like an "all hate matters" reply?

Glîtchy1 votes

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Is this like an "all hate matters" reply?

Yes, hate towards Christians, Muslims, and Homosexuals (and yes all this genderfluid bs) is unnecessary, so the proper term is prejudice, I mean if we have Islamiphobic and Homophobic (still prejudice not these shitty made up terms), why is there no Christphobic for Christians? They just all it prejudice and even display hatred and that's somehow different from the other two, I mean people act like we Christians are evil just because of the crusades, not every Christian is suddenly "evil" because of one thing, so explain how are the other 2 examples different from "prejudice"?

TrulyBland1 votes

When a concept becomes relevant enough in discussions and the likes, we make up new words for it. In part to avoid saying longer phrases, in part to allows our brains to focus on it as a singular concept rather than just an aspect of another concept.

And that happens constantly... have you been with LoL long enough to know what a "superman pull" is? Why do people tell others to "xPeke it" when the enemy nexus is low HP? How about when people used "to olaf" as a verb for when Riot remakes a champion but in the process nerfs them into uselessness? Speaking of nerf: That's (in this context) made-up, too.

And for social issues there are words like homophobia, islamophobia and - drumroll please - christophobia.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christophobia#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christianophobia

Edit: In the end, these sort of words are simply memes. Not in the popularly used definition of the word, but the actual meaning of the word.

Glîtchy1 votes

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When a concept becomes relevant enough in discussions and the likes, we make up new words for it. In part to avoid saying longer phrases, in part to allows our brains to focus on it as a singular concept rather than just an aspect of another concept.

And that happens constantly... have you been with LoL long enough to know what a "superman pull" is? Why do people tell others to "xPeke it" when the enemy nexus is low HP? How about when people used "to olaf" as a verb for when Riot remakes a champion but in the process nerfs them into uselessness? Speaking of nerf: That's (in this context) made-up, too.

And for social issues there are words like homophobia, islamophobia and - drumroll please - christophobia.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christophobia#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christianophobia

Edit: In the end, these sort of words are simply memes. Not in the popularly used definition of the word, but the actual meaning of the word.

I mean for when there's already a word for it. Nerf is a word that originally was a toy brand, and Homophobic isn't a real word, the word you lot are looking for is prejudice, no matter how you look at it, prejudice is the correct word.

TrulyBland3 votes

No, the "word" would be "prejudice against homosexuals" which is long and unwieldy in conversations.

I mean, by your logic even the word "homosexuality" isn't necessary because you could always say "people who are sexually attracted to the same gender as them".

Every single word you use has at some point been made up... and plenty of them are "unnecessary" in that our language(s) already had a way to describe the same thing with different words.

YerroFever3 votes

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Yes, hate towards Christians, Muslims, and Homosexuals (and yes all this genderfluid bs) is unnecessary, so the proper term is prejudice, I mean if we have Islamiphobic and Homophobic (still prejudice not these shitty made up terms), why is there no Christphobic for Christians? They just all it prejudice and even display hatred and that's somehow different from the other two, I mean people act like we Christians are evil just because of the crusades, not every Christian is suddenly "evil" because of one thing, so explain how are the other 2 examples different from "prejudice"?

Uh, yeah there is... the phobia is actually called Christianophobia. The most notable instance of it is in the middle east. Some areas of the middle east will persecute Christians for trying to convert Islamic people to Christianity.

The difference is accuracy.

It's like being shown a picture of a cube.

Prejudice is calling it a "shape." Christianophobia is calling it a "cube."

Glîtchy1 votes

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Uh, yeah there is... the phobia is actually called Christianophobia. The most notable instance of it is in the middle east. Some areas of the middle east will persecute Christians for trying to convert Islamic people to Christianity.

The difference is accuracy.

It's like being shown a picture of a cube.

Prejudice is calling it a "shape." Christianophobia is calling it a "cube."

yet the left don't call themselves christianophobes for hating us so much, but then they have a problem with us disagreeing, literally JUST disagreeing with the "love is love" stuff, doesn't that seem just A LITTLE one sided?

I can't tell you how many times those who are all "love is love" have threatened violence, because they ask how i feel about it and I just answer "meh, I don't agree with it, but I don't hate anyone who follows it" then suddenly they get all up in arms.

YerroFever4 votes

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yet the left don't call themselves christianophobes for hating us so much, but then they have a problem with us disagreeing, literally JUST disagreeing with the "love is love" stuff, doesn't that seem just A LITTLE one sided?

I can't tell you how many times those who are all "love is love" have threatened violence, because they ask how i feel about it and I just answer "meh, I don't agree with it, but I don't hate anyone who follows it" then suddenly they get all up in arms.

Are you sure the left disagrees with you because you are Christian or is it that the left disagrees with you because it is in conflict with their view of what human rights are?

That's the difference between disagreeing with Christians and being a Christianophobe. being a Christianophobe vs disagreeing with Christian.

EDIT: edited the second for parallel structure to match the other statement.

REEDIT: also, specifically addressing the "up in arms" issue you bring up. Do you find it a little ironic that you previously stated in a reply:

I mean people act like we Christians are evil just because of the crusades, not every Christian is suddenly "evil" because of one thing

You're doing exactly what you are upset about. You're stereotyping left siding people and are upset that people are stereotyping Christians....

TrulyBland2 votes

Let me ignore that strawman for a second and ask you this:

Do you think homophobes call themselves homophobes? Do you think islamophobes call themselves islamophobes? Do you think xenophobes call themselves xenophobes?

The ending phobes implies irrationality. Calling yourself an anything-phobe is an admission of bias. And nobody likes to admit they are being irrational about the very subject they are talking about.

nGio3 votes

Edit: #1 and #2 for online dictionaries, as opposed to Google default(definition was changed in 2015) http://www.dictionary.com/browse/phobia?s=t https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia I guess we'll just change the meaning of phobia for that 1 word to appease certain groups. Seems to happen a lot lately.

YerroFever7 votes

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pho·bi·a ˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something. "he had a phobia about being under water"

I guess we'll just change the meaning of phobia for that 1 word to appease certain groups. Seems to happen a lot lately.

If we're going to just start quoting dictionaries...

xen·o·pho·bi·a ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/Submit noun intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

It's not just one word.

nGio5 votes

Okay, how about for all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'?

I'm not a fan of any kind of abuse based on someone's race/sex/sexual preference/etc. I am just a fan of the English language, which has been bastardized over the last 25 years. Homophobic slurs, bad. Manipulation of a language to empower victim groups, also bad.

YerroFever4 votes

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Okay, how about for all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'?

I'm not a fan of any kind of abuse based on someone's race/sex/sexual preference/etc. I am just a fan of the English language, which has been bastardized over the last 25 years. Homophobic slurs, bad. Manipulation of a language to empower victim groups, also bad.

This is a complete tangent and derailment of the actual purpose of the OP...

If you want to take the pure form of phobia, fear or aversions (greek root phobos, from which phobia comes from). To what extent does that fear or aversion manifest? Typically when you encounter someone with say arachnophobia, they say "I HATE SPIDERS!" when they mean they're arachnophobic and have a fear or aversion to them.

If you're upset with how people describe their fears and aversions... that's not the fault of the victim. You're victim blaming. The people who are actually at fault are the ones who express their homophobia as hatred instead of a fear or aversion. Are you upset that people express that aversion to such an extreme that it manifests as hatred... no, you're upset with the targets of that phobia and that phobia gets expressed towards the targets as hatred.

Are you also upset with the term hydrophobic in chemistry? Hydrophobic substances repel water. Are you going to blame water for chemists using the term phobia?

Back on track with the OP: _ **homophobic ** _ language has no place in the league community.

nGio2 votes

Okay, now your comments are becoming laughable. Did you really just college campus buzzword me with "victim blaming"? Wow...just sad.

I have never heard of someone who suffers arachnophobia saying "I HATE SPIDERS", without some level of fear towards them. I have never heard an agoraphobic person say "I HATE CONFINED SPACES", without being fearful. Those are fears. Clearly defined, no room for misinterpretation, and no room for victim blaming, race cards, or whatever other ammunition that your college professor sent you into the world with when he created you.

Can you ALSO hate something that you fear? Indeed. But you can't be agoraphobic unless there is some level of FEAR in enclosed spaces. That is a fact, which means your arrogant opinions will need to be saved for your next visit to the MSNBC and FOX News boards.

I personally hate bad drivers. Am I scared of them? Nope. Do I have a phobia of bad drivers? I don't. I just hate them. See how that works? Different words do different things, and the English language can't be broken every time you need to break it to make a point. Keep making silly nonsensical arguments though. I'm sure that eventually you'll declare yourself 'the king of all debates' and 'the master of snuffing facts with strong rhetorical based opinions', and your parents will treat you to ice cream.

ag·o·ra·pho·bi·a ˌaɡərəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of crowded spaces or enclosed public places.

a·rach·no·pho·bi·a əˌraknəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of spiders.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Hmmm....all taken from Webster. Some things just aren't adding up, but with the level of brainwash that you suffer, I'm sure that you'll try and talk your way out of this, fail, and resort to misdirection. Have a nice day bud.

YerroFever5 votes

I'm not going into the ad hominem insult spiral you're trying to start and I'm not going to continue your misdirection of trying to undermine the actual problem of homophobic speech used in game to harass people.

Topic is: homophobic speech being used in the game

My opinion is: homophobic speech has no place in league

nGio2 votes

hy·dro·pho·bi·a ˌhīdrəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of water, especially as a symptom of rabies in humans. rabies, especially in humans.

I'm sure that if you have a point, you'll reach it eventually. This is partially my fault though. I kind of left you nowhere to go, by preemptively burning your race card.

It's pretty late right now though. You should wait until morning hits, and you can call up the college professor who indoctrinated you. Tell him that the rhetoric didn't work, dropping the "victim blaming" backfired, and your race card was spent before you could even play it. He might have some really sweet ideas of where you can go next.

ag·o·ra·pho·bi·a ˌaɡərəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of crowded spaces or enclosed public places.

a·rach·no·pho·bi·a əˌraknəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of spiders.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Brainwash x10

Edit: Ninja editing your posts now? What happened the cool guy who was following me around, arguing with everything that I said on any topic? Where is guy with all the accounts, where every one of your replies magically came with multiple downvotes to mine simultaneously? You tried to overpower FACTS with your rhetorical opinions and insults, and I didn't let you. Now take your ball and go home.

Goldilux2 votes

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hy·dro·pho·bi·a ˌhīdrəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of water, especially as a symptom of rabies in humans. rabies, especially in humans.

what are you quoting?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hydrophobic

nGio1 votes

You're linking the definition of 'hydrophobic'. I linked 'hydrophobia'. This might come as a shock to you....wait for it....they're 2 different words. I know, right?

There are slight variations in definition wording between hydrophobia and hydrophobic on both Webster's and Dictionary.com(not sure why, but feel free to email them on it), but the meaning remains the same.

If you have a point, please make it.

Goldilux3 votes

you said you were quoting websters and you totally weren't. basically it sounds like you just say things because you want to be right regardless of whether you actually are.

the definitions you used aren't from Webster. hydrophobia isn't the same

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hydrophobia

phobia isn't the same https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia

arachnophobia isn't the same https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arachnophobia

even websters says arachnophobia includes loathing spiders.

here's loathing's definition for you too

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loathing

if you're going to say youre quoting something, don't lie about it. you are basically discrediting yourself when you do and it makes it harder for people to side with you.

nGio1 votes

WEBSTER'S

Definition of homophobia : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals homophobicplay \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bik\ adjective

Definition of arachnophobia : pathological fear or loathing of spiders arachnophobeplay -ˈrak-nə-ˌfōb\ noun arachnophobicplay -ˌrak-nə-ˈfō-bik\ adjective or noun

Definition of agoraphobia : abnormal fear of being helpless in a situation from which escape may be difficult or embarrassing that is characterized initially often by panic or anticipatory anxiety and finally by the avoidance of open or public places agoraphobeplay \ˈa-g(ə-)rə-ˌfōb\ noun agoraphobicplay -ˈfō-bik\ adjective or noun

DICTIONARY.COM

homophobia [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

arachnophobia [uh-rak-nuh-foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. an abnormal or pathological fear of spiders.

agoraphobia [ag-er-uh-foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun, Psychiatry. 1. an abnormal fear of being in crowds, public places, or open areas, sometimes accompanied by anxiety attacks.

I currently use 3 sources when referencing a dictionary. Google(default), Webster's, and Dictionary.com. All 3 sources site classic phobias as 'fear of', but all 3 define homophobia as 'hatred'.

Now if you have a point, I'd really like you to get to it, or are you going to just keep talking about which site specifically shows the anomaly in specific definitions. Because if so, THEY ALL DO. Again, get to your point, and if you don't have one then please quit nagging.

TrulyBland3 votes

All 3 sources site classic phobias as 'fear of'

Really, do they now?

Definition of arachnophobia : pathological fear or loathing of spiders

Let's continue that sentence:

but all 3 define homophobia as 'hatred'.

Or fear.

Definition of homophobia : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

You keep ignoring parts of definitions when they don't serve your purpose. I wonder why.

TrulyBland2 votes

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You've really backed yourself into a corner now, and I kind of feel bad for you. Read what I'm going to type several times, so that you fully understand it.

The entire context of which we've been tirelessly arguing is the word 'hatred'. I would agree that a FEAR of homosexuals would indeed be considered homophobia, and I have never argued otherwise. You're only arguing with yourself here, because we're all on board, and the ship left 3 hours ago on this one.

Again, we have been discussing the HATRED of homosexuals, which I would classify as simple minded, ignorant, and idiotic, but a HATRED of homosexuals would not be considered homophobia by the standards set of traditional phobias, which is what we are arguing.

Arachnophobia is not considered 'a fear of, OR HATRED OF', nor is any phobia that doesn't relate to political or minority groups. That's a fact, and one we've gone over too many times to count now.

"Irrational fear" of 'x' falls into specific phobias, but hatred does not. You are just lost in the conversation. At least the other guy just completely misdirects to something irrelevant, while you expose your own flaws every time you type. Seriously man, just let the other guy take over from here, because you just can't hang.

Okay, since you keep avoiding direct questions, let's make this simple:

Does, or does phobia not mean fear OR AVERSION by your own cited definition? Does, or does arachnophobia not mean fear OR LOATHING of spiders by your own cited definition?

Simple yes or no questions.

My Dough6 votes

You really need to learn to read things correctly Ngio. You just defeated your whole argument when you quoted what the definition of phobia is. Let me recap the definition just for you..

Phobia: an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something

Just to save you time, aversion means a strong dislike or disinclination. So before you go on a full rant trying to make yourself seem like a professor in the English language, do you research properly. GG WP.

TrulyBland4 votes

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That was actually taken from default google, which I did cite admittedly, but not purposefully. The word "aversion" was added to Google's default definition of phobia in 2015, which actually makes my entire argument stronger. Since you want to be a smartass though, and put your entire rant on that one crutch, I'll just go ahead and knock you off of it.

DICTIONARY.COM phobia [foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun 1. a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

WEBSTER phobiaplay noun pho·bia \ˈfō-bē-ə
Examples: phobia in a Sentence Definition of phobia : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

There you go, taken directly from #1 and #2. No mention of the word hatred, WHICH IS THE SINGLE WORD THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN ABOUT. If you have a point now, please make it.

You used the definitions as the base for your argument up until I pointed out they contradicted your argument. Then you searched for new definitions.

I recommend looking up "confirmation bias". Either way, you have just proven that you will ignore definitions if they don't suit you.

Edit: Oh, and when google added that part of the definition is entirely meaningless when the original Greek word can mean aversion, too. To quote you: You're grasping at straws now.

YerroFever4 votes

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That was actually taken from default google, which I did cite admittedly, but not purposefully. The word "aversion" was added to Google's default definition of phobia in 2015, which actually makes my entire argument stronger. Since you want to be a smartass though, and put your entire rant on that one crutch, I'll just go ahead and knock you off of it.

DICTIONARY.COM phobia [foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun 1. a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

WEBSTER phobiaplay noun pho·bia \ˈfō-bē-ə
Examples: phobia in a Sentence Definition of phobia : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

There you go, taken directly from #1 and #2. No mention of the word hatred, WHICH IS THE SINGLE WORD THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN ABOUT. If you have a point now, please make it.

I'm coming back in because this is the premise that started my difference in opinion with you. The above quoted reply does not match the same sentiment I perceived in your first reply, which is:

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Okay, how about for all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'?

I'm not a fan of any kind of abuse based on someone's race/sex/sexual preference/etc. I am just a fan of the English language, which has been bastardized over the last 25 years. Homophobic slurs, bad. Manipulation of a language to empower victim groups, also bad.

Specifically this sentence:

how about for all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'

You specifically said that for everything else it means fear. However.... you started quoting the actual dictionaries and I googled them to confirm the verisimilitude of your quotations... the accurate ones that were cited for Websters and for Oxford:

  1. You yourself have quoted phobia with the definition to include aversions.

  2. You yourself have quoted hydrophobia with the first definition of rabies... I mean come on... Rabies?

  3. You yourself have quoted arachnophobia which has loathing.

Now your emphasis is "no mention of the word hatred, WHICH IS THE SINGLE WORD THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN ABOUT"

This may have been a misunderstanding in what you intended to convey and what I interpreted you to convey.

My interpretation of what you intended to convey was "phobias are fears of things but in the case of people, it's a hatred of people."

Which is why I vehemently disagreed. My issue is that phobias, in all of its forms ( -phobias, -phobic, -phobe, etc...) does not solely mean fear of things and hatred of people.

Now what I'm interpreting as what you are saying is "hate is not a part of phobias for non-humans" which I still disagree with based specifically on arachnophobia, which includes loathing. Arachnids are not people and yet the definition includes loathe.

I'm honestly still not sure what you really meant because your opinion seems to be in flux. Whether it actually is or is not, isn't the problem for me. The problem for me is understanding exactly what you mean because it's not coming through clearly.

TrulyBland5 votes

The definitions only backed up and solidified what I said.

Except for when they didn't. Then you chose new ones.

Sorry, but you have no leg to stand on when you abandon your own sources the moment they contradict your viewpoint. And since your viewpoint was "Phobia means fear and only fear" one of your definitions even still does. My guess? The moment you yourself find it impossible to ignore that you will search for a new definition of arachnophobia.

Edit: It is interesting that you've now jumped to discrimination, rather than hatred, because discrimination is even easier. Your own sources consider phobias irrational fear. Irrational fear leads to irrational way of handling things. Handling humans would be considered treating. What would you say is a good word for "treating humans irrationally based on their sexual orientation"?

YerroFever5 votes

{quoted} (edited for brevity) On Webster, arachnophobia does contain the word "loathing", but Webster also uses the word "discrimination" in very broad definition of homophobia, which is just silly.

This is actually terrible for your position. To everyone else, this looks like you're not actually trying to be objective at all. It looks like you're being ridiculously selective and only cherry picking parts of your evidence, not even cherry picking sources, but cherry picking parts of evidence from cherry picked sources. You're trying to change the format of how the dictionary goes by reading them inconsistently within the same source.

Homophobia was coined in 1955, and was originally defined as a fear of homosexual behavior. There are people who legitimately fear homosexuals(I'm sure you've seen psychotic church groups are open about this). The definition has been modified multiple times, and is at a point now where it doesn't even resemble a classic 'phobia'. 'Fear of water', 'fear of birds', aaaaand 'fear of homosexual behavior...and hatred too...and discrimination....'. This is why I correctly used the term bastardized.

Again this might be a misinterpretation, but it sounds like you're saying "modified multiple times" is "bastardized." That's a very different connotation from "manipulate" which is the exact word you used when you first posted. If you have a problem with English being bastardized, you need to go back and relearn English because the original Anglo Frisian English is not like current English at all. Even old English, the Anglo Saxon English, isn't like modern day English.

Linguistically, your position of "bastardized" English over the past 25 years just makes no sense. Ask any linguist, language is constantly changing to meet the needs of the present. New words and new connotations come and go.

There is no pure version of English that you know because you were taught a bastardized English. Your frame of reference starts at your life when English has been around for a lot longer than you have been alive. The English you were taught isn't THE original English. It's YOUR original English.

Goldilux2 votes

The English you were taught isn't THE original English. It's YOUR original English.

[zombie-nunu-hearts]

TrulyBland2 votes

{quoted} You can't just choose which words suit you best, and leave the rest out bud.

Yes I can. You cannot. Your claim is that something is not included in a definition. My claim is that you are wrong.

That means I only have to find counterexamples to your claim; which means I can ignore as many partial definitions as I want.

That's elementary logic.

I didn't choose new ones. I was corrected by someone attacking me.

Nobody corrected you, people pointed out that they don't support your argument. You only consider them "wrong" because they don't support your argument. And you considered them "correct" for as long as you didn't realize that.

Seriously: Why would anybody even consider any of the "facts" you use to support your arguments, when you yourself don't trust some of those that you provided?

YerroFever5 votes

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Wait, didn't you say this earlier? Why are you still here talking in circles, giving us history recaps, and trying to reclaim your soul? Man, I really took a piece of you.

Anyway, more rhetoric. That is only going work in chants with your group of fellow social justice warriors. This has just gone on too long. Every question you can't answer, it's redirected. Every fact that you can't debunk, is turned from fact into differing opinion. You must have majored in community organizing and psychology, because this last entry is literally 100% opinion based bias that you vomited out without thinking.

"Relearn English because the original Anglo Frisian English is not like current English at all" "Your frame of reference starts at your life when English has been around for a lot longer than you have been alive." Aaaaand, again. More vomit that no one is arguing. I guess next you'll inform me that water is wet, or that the earth isn't flat. I'm clearly dealing with a real genius here. I really pity you and anyone who is falling for these sad attempts at whatever point it is that you're trying to make. You derail absolutely everything thrown at you, because you can't debate the topic on it's simplest level.

Honestly, you're just a dumb kid, and the 'social justice warrior manual of how to debate good' isn't going to fucking work on me. You're a spoiled brat who's never been punched in the mouth, and when I hit back, it was all hands on deck for you. Now you're left with multiple responses to questions you asked, were answered, and then the results were ignored. I squashed your "victim blaming" attack, shit on your misdirection at every turn, and burned your race card preemptively. I took all of your weapons immediately, and now it's been 15+ responses just stating a bunch of shit that no one is talking about or arguing, sprinkled with well thought out opinion based irrelevant campus 101 garbage.

Didn't you already state earlier that you were done arguing, because you couldn't answer a question, and all of your bullshit was destroyed? Why do you keep coming back, and better, why do you keep coming back with nothing to say? Hurry up and pick a single statement, sentence, or word from my post, and reply to it, so that we can go further down your rabbit hole of nonsensical irrelevant shit.

If you had a point, you would have made it by now. You're a walking derailment rhetoric machine, and as someone else did earlier, I'll again leave you with this.

https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif

What's sad is that you're actually ignoring everything that everyone says. You're even ignoring your own cited evidence because it doesn't agree with you.

What's even worse is that you're now making a false narrative and then calling it fact. You call it a derailment but it's addressing every single thing you've said. Unlike you, I actually address things you say. I don't make things up and then claim you said it.

I've tried to be respectful but you're actually impossible to talk to because you actually don't read, you don't listen.

EDIT:

You just yell. You make up shit and you yell. No matter what is said. No matter what people show you. You're angry and you're upset and all you want to hear is that you're right even when you contradict yourself.

There's absolutely no point in actually trying to have a discussion with you because you're having a monologue.

REEDIT:

Also, your non stop ad hominem attacks are pretty much proof that you can't actually discuss facts, logic, and reasoning. Your argument style is the antithesis of factual, logical, and well reasoned discussion because it's just a one sided screaming of insults.

YerroFever4 votes

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Wait, didn't you say this earlier? Why are you still here talking in circles, giving us history recaps, and trying to reclaim your soul? Man, I really took a piece of you.

Anyway, more rhetoric. That is only going work in chants with your group of fellow social justice warriors. This has just gone on too long. Every question you can't answer, it's redirected. Every fact that you can't debunk, is turned from fact into differing opinion. You must have majored in community organizing and psychology, because this last entry is literally 100% opinion based bias that you vomited out without thinking.

Sadly, there have actually been no questions you have asked that haven't been addressed. You just dismiss anything that isn't your opinion. It's ironic that you're accusing people of opinion bias but you have demonstrated that you not only have opinion bias but you actively practice confirmation bias. I'm sorry that scrutinizing what you say and the examples you bring up to actually see if your opinion holds waters has offended you so much but if you say X and someone asks "why?" and all you do is stomp your feet and just say you're right and then start cherry picking pieces of evidence that support your idea and then disregard the rest... I don't even know how to guide you into a factual analysis of actually forming a cogent argument because you won't even listen or read for that matter.

"Relearn English because the original Anglo Frisian English is not like current English at all" "Your frame of reference starts at your life when English has been around for a lot longer than you have been alive." Aaaaand, again. More vomit that no one is arguing. I guess next you'll inform me that water is wet, or that the earth isn't flat. I'm clearly dealing with a real genius here. I really pity you and anyone who is falling for these sad attempts at whatever point it is that you're trying to make. You derail absolutely everything thrown at you, because you can't debate the topic on it's simplest level.

No one is arguing this? You seem to forget what you actually type. This was you:

Homophobia was coined in 1955, and was originally defined as a fear of homosexual behavior. There are people who legitimately fear homosexuals(I'm sure you've seen some psychotic religious factions who are open about this). The definition has been modified multiple times, and is at a point now where it doesn't even resemble a classic 'phobia'. 'Fear of water', 'fear of birds', aaaaand 'fear of homosexual behavior...and hatred too...and discrimination....'. This is why I correctly used the term bastardized.

Back to your reply

Honestly, you're just a dumb kid, and the 'social justice warrior manual of how to debate good' isn't going to fucking work on me. You're a spoiled brat who's never been punched in the mouth, and when I hit back, it was all hands on deck for you. Now you're left with multiple responses to questions you asked, were answered, and then the results were ignored. I squashed your "victim blaming" attack, shit on your misdirection at every turn, and burned your race card preemptively. I took all of your weapons immediately, and now it's been 15+ responses just stating a bunch of shit that no one is talking about or arguing, sprinkled with well thought out opinion based irrelevant campus 101 garbage.

Well thanks for calling it well thought out. Too bad you still think its "irrelevant campus 101 garbage" but unfortunately, you still have yet to actually address the issue that not only does language change and has changed and that just because you learned it one way does not mean it's the absolute right way.... but it is what it is.

Didn't you already state earlier that you were done arguing, because you couldn't answer a question, and all of your bullshit was destroyed? Why do you keep coming back, and better, why do you keep coming back with nothing to say? Hurry up and pick a single statement, sentence, or word from my post, and reply to it, so that we can go further down your rabbit hole of nonsensical irrelevant shit.

I didn't say I was done arguing and I never stated I couldn't answer a question. None of my bullshit was destroyed. You actually just say it did but the plurality of this thread seems to indicate your bullshit has been destroyed as you seem to be the only one who agrees with your opinion, and there are roughly half a dozen people who seem to have a differing opinion that is similar to mine.

If you had a point, you would have made it by now. You're a walking derailment rhetoric machine, and as someone else did earlier, I'll again leave you with this.

Again, you actually constantly say that people aren't addressing things you say and people don't have a point, however, I'll show you my quotes:

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Which is why I vehemently disagreed. My issue is that phobias, in all of its forms ( -phobias, -phobic, -phobe, etc...) does not solely mean fear of things and hatred of people.

You can keep calling it derailments all you like but if you're going to talk about it and make it a cornerstone of your argument, you can't really say it's a derailment when someone actually addresses and knocks out one of your cornerstones.

You also keep saying no one is making a point however, several people have made it a point to tell you that your definition is not consistent with current linguistic standards and that your basis is a personal preference that isn't rooted in linguistics or facts. However, the one thing that is consistent is you believe your opinion to be fact.

YerroFever2 votes

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Like you said, it was the premise. You fell on your face, said you were dipping, and came back to something said before you announced your departure. Try again.

You can quote when I'm coming back into the argument because you were being horribly inconsistent and so I had to step in because the premise of your argument changed. You can't seem to quote any sort of statement that shows I conceded in any way shape or form in the sum and substance of the debate.

Try again.

We've been over this about 15ish times now? Okay, rhetoric.

Yeah no matter how many times your own definitions are used against you, you say it's irrelevant or it's silly or its rhetoric. You actually don't have any reasoning as to why your own definitions shouldn't count against you except "it's silly"

Again, been over it too many times to count. The definition of hydrophobia references the word's origin in rabies on the top 2 most used dictionary sites, and both sites also describe it as a fear of water or drowning. More rhetoric. Take a picture of this, because I won't explain it to you again.

Again, you used the same thoughts here and can't defend your position as to why your definitions that you cited don't work for you.

Again....this is getting old. Anyway, yes Webster does use the word loathing in it's definition, and the word discrimination also appears there when defining homophobia. Go ahead and bet the farm on this one. More pictures, not explaining again.

Same thing again. You keep avoiding any explanations as to why your sources don't support you. You

More talking in circles and repeating yourself. If you have a point get to it.

Unlike you, I'm actually trying to understand you and get to why you're being such an asshole. The point of actually trying to repeating back what you say is because it's how I know if I'm understanding you or not. However, you actually have no interest in actually understand

I never said that, you did. Another derailment. Yawn, getting bored.

Actually this is where I got it from

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Okay, how about for all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'?

I'm not a fan of any kind of abuse based on someone's race/sex/sexual preference/etc. I am just a fan of the English language, which has been bastardized over the last 25 years. Homophobic slurs, bad. Manipulation of a language to empower victim groups, also bad.

See, victim groups is hate and everything else is fear... You can call quoting you a derailment of your own arguments...

Hey dumb dumb, I didn't write the dictionary lol. If you don't want the word 'loathe' in the definition of arachnophobia then email M Webster. This is such a pathetic attempt at debate, that I'm now questioning your ability to even function at the level of a simple primate. What's next, another 'victim blame' card? You haven't used it in a while, so fuck it, give it a shot. You're clearly out of ammunition.

You've mentioned twice already that the current english is bastardized. Why are YOU bringing it up?

The only flux is how many times you derail a topic. Typical social justice warrior talking points. You were only programmed with so many responses, so I don't blame you, only your creator. You've hit rock bottom so hard that you're building arguments against me because dictionary sites use the words loathe and rabies. Seriously man, your last 15 comments are the same exact thing over and over. Just bend the knee, like you promised to do earlier, but decided that the premise would bring you back. The premise that was the premise. Then the premise didn't matter so you left. But then the premise did matter again, so you came back. I bet that right now you really wish you were as smart as you thought you were yesterday.

Actually, I quoted you to show where your inconsistency is and trying to find clarity. Sorry that you find that as derailment... of your argument...

Grow up and learn to start thinking for yourself kiddo. Beating down the incompetent people of society with rhetoric, talking points, and ideologies won't mean shit when you run into someone smarter than you in the real world.

The dunning kruger effect is strong with you

Goldilux2 votes

you havent been arguing tho... you have been saying people are wrong and then claiming you won the argument. you say you destroy peoples arguments but that's all you do. you just say the arguments are destroyed without actually doing anything to destroy the argument.

this is going to be insulting no matter how its said... you sound the stupidest out of the people who are posting and keep saying youre more intelligent than other people and that people are stupid and youre condescending when you have no reason to be condescending, or even any justification.

EDIT: I see you deleted the reply to

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lol I accidentally replied to a message meant for you. I thought nGio was talking to me because he/she said "keep asking." Damn this chronological view... makes it easy to quote but makes it hard to figure out who nGio is talking to.

Also, this makes me think nGio thinks we're the same person. You've asked for hydrophobic once while I have done it multiple times.

Where you quoted the OP and then said you agreed and had enjoyed the exchange.

Trying to cover up how you failed to demonstrate how much more intelligent you are than others.

Goldilux2 votes

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https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif

is this your response to everyone who counters your arguments? your points get countered and in response, you just say theyre derailing the conversation. you keep saying how much more intelligent and educated you are and then replying with derailing gifs when youre clearly losing an argument where all you do is call other people stupid but dont understand simple context clues.

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Maybe we are :D. Seriously though, it's been a fun back and forth either way. You went on the attack and I'm feisty tonight, so I accepted.

your debate skills are probably the worst in this discussion and youre so mean to everyone for no reason

nGio1 votes

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is this your response to everyone who counters your arguments?

I haven't seen any counters yet. Just a bunch of https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif

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Goldilux1 votes

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I ~~haven't seen any ~~ _ignored _ counters yet. _responding to them is hard. its easier calling them _ Just a bunch of https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif

https://i.imgur.com/vGSgH53.gif[/img]

fixed those typos for you

YerroFever4 votes

{quoted}

hy·dro·pho·bi·a ˌhīdrəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of water, especially as a symptom of rabies in humans. rabies, especially in humans.

I'm sure that if you have a point, you'll reach it eventually. This is partially my fault though. I kind of left you nowhere to go, by preemptively burning your race card.

It's pretty late right now though. You should wait until morning hits, and you can call up the college professor who indoctrinated you. Tell him that the rhetoric didn't work, dropping the "victim blaming" backfired, and your race card was spent before you could even play it. He might have some really sweet ideas of where you can go next.

ag·o·ra·pho·bi·a ˌaɡərəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of crowded spaces or enclosed public places.

a·rach·no·pho·bi·a əˌraknəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of spiders.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Brainwash x10

The absence of hydrophobic is quite glaring.

It appears you like using the oxford dictionary and not websters, as someone has already pointed out. Go to the definition of hydrophobic. Don't try to skirt it again.

Am I correct that your position is that you don't like "empowering victims" and this is demonstrated by "bastardized" English over the past 25 years and that your position is that "all victim groups phobia means 'hate', and for everything else, it means it's intended definition of 'fear'"?

However, I have shown you a word that still uses the phobia root and you are trying to skirt around it. It doesn't always mean fear. It also means aversions, chemically and socially.

nGio1 votes

Here we go. More misdirection, and more rhetoric. You are just straight up out of shit to say at this point lol.

No, I don't have a 'dislike' for empowering victims, nor would I waste a breath empowering them. There are so many "victims" in the world, and some suffering much more than the most vocal ones. This is you assuming incorrectly again, and this is me calling you on it....again.

I am an advocate of the English language, or what's left of it at this point. The language was made to be bent, but never broken. For the third time, I'll direct you to this, because you are "trying to skirt around it"...

ag·o·ra·pho·bi·a ˌaɡərəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of crowded spaces or enclosed public places.

a·rach·no·pho·bi·a əˌraknəˈfōbēə/Submit noun extreme or irrational fear of spiders.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

That is bastardization, it's politically driven, and an intelligent person can look at that and understand it for what it is. Do I expect you to? The kid who sounds like every other robot getting churned out of college campuses across the nation, with your race cards, rhetorical garbage wrapped in insults and arrogance, and "FIRED UP AND READY TO MAKE VICTIM BLAME". No. You'll just keep sputtering out your programmed rhetoric, taking topics off course, and trying to redirect people with double talk.

This shit won't work on me though, but I commend you for the perseverance and indefatigable torch carrying. I know your type, and you aren't used to someone standing up to you. You are used to just talking over people and bullying them, so it must be really difficult for you to battle logic, reason, and anything based in fact with just your strong opinions.

TrulyBland2 votes

Quoting random (or really: very non-random) definitions isn't logic and isn't reason... they are technically facts, but they're inconclusive facts when they are chosen deliberately based on how well the support your view.

Logic would be asking why you keep ignoring that "phobia" by your own definition includes "aversion". Logic would be asking why you are intentionally avoiding words like "hydrophobic" which could not possibly be politically motivated. Logic would be asking why you are insisting so strongly on a semantic argument that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

nGio1 votes

I already sited the 3 most used online dictionary sources as of 2016. I posted 2 of them, showing the variation of the phobias defined. All 3 sources define agoraphobia and arachnophobia(and nearly any specific phobia) as 'fear'. All 3 define homophobia as a form of hatred. You really are just grasping at straws now, and listening to you clumsily talk in circles is making me tired.

You wanted hydrophobia too? You keep asking, so I'll go ahead and burn this one down like I did your race card, your rhetoric, your opinions based in fantasy, and your soul. I look forward to your next 'going nowhere' reply.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hydrophobia?s=t hydrophobia [hahy-druh-foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. rabies. 2. an abnormal or unnatural dread of water.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hydrophobia hydrophobia noun hy·dro·pho·bia \ˌhī-drə-ˈfō-bē-ə
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words Definition of hydrophobia 1 : rabies 2 : a morbid dread of water

YerroFever2 votes

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I already sited the 3 most used online dictionary sources as of 2016. I posted 2 of them, showing the variation of the phobias defined. All 3 sources define agoraphobia and arachnophobia(and nearly any specific phobia) as 'fear'. All 3 define homophobia as a form of hatred. You really are just grasping at straws now, and listening to you clumsily talk in circles is making me tired.

You wanted hydrophobia too? You keep asking, so I'll ahead and burn this one down like I did your race card, your rhetoric, your opinions based in fantasy, and your soul. I look forward to your next 'going nowhere' reply.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hydrophobia?s=t hydrophobia [hahy-druh-foh-bee-uh] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. rabies. 2. an abnormal or unnatural dread of water.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hydrophobia hydrophobiaplay noun hy·dro·pho·bia \ˌhī-drə-ˈfō-bē-ə
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words Definition of hydrophobia 1 : rabies 2 : a morbid dread of water

Um....

First definition for both is rabies. If I am not mistaken, rabies is that viral infection you get from the rabies virus...

I actually asked for hydrophobic but this is just as good.

TrulyBland3 votes

Hydrophobic. People asked for hydrophobic. This isn't even the first time people point it out. Hydrophobia is context-wise only used in terms of the fear of water, hydrophobic/hydrophobe (coming from the same base word) have an additional different meaning.

All 3 sources do not define arachnophobia as fear as I pointed out in the other post, where you flat out ignore the "loathing" part of the definition.

You also ignored my question why you do not acknowledge your very first definition including "aversion" as a possible meaning of "phobia".

I'm not grasping at straws, I'm attacking the very foundation of your argument. Phobia can mean aversion, as a stand-alone and in other words that are not politically driven.

YerroFever2 votes

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Hydrophobic. I asked for hydrophobic. This isn't even the first time people point it out. Hydrophobia is context-wise only used in terms of the fear of water, hydrophobic/hydrophobe (coming from the same base word) have an additional different meaning.

All 3 sources do not define arachnophobia as fear as I pointed out in the other post, where you flat out ignore the "loathing" part of the definition.

You also ignored my question why you do not acknowledge your very first definition including "aversion" as a possible meaning of "phobia".

I'm not grasping at straws, I'm attacking the very foundation of your argument. Phobia can mean aversion, as a stand-alone and in other words that are not politically driven.

lol I accidentally replied to a message meant for you. I thought nGio was talking to me because he/she said "keep asking." Damn this chronological view... makes it easy to quote but makes it hard to figure out who nGio is talking to.

Also, this makes me think nGio thinks we're the same person. You've asked for hydrophobic once while I have done it multiple times.

TrulyBland4 votes

We are arguing whether or not homophobia should be allowed to take on the word hatred, as opposed to only pertaining to fear, a rule that phobias have carried since their existence.

Which you just admitted is not actually the case. It has other meanings. The fact that you deny that it has other meanings directly after you even ADMITTED those other definitions exist shows how delusional you are at this point.

Either way, your argument has fallen apart from "phobia means exclusively fear and never anything else" to "no other definition uses literally the word "hatred", so it cannot mean that."

Would you be fine if homophobia was defined as "loathing" homosexuals, then?

YerroFever4 votes

{quoted}

Which you just admitted is not actually the case. It has other meanings. The fact that you deny that it has other meanings directly after you even ADMITTED those other definitions exist shows how delusional you are at this point.

Either way, your argument has fallen apart from "phobia means exclusively fear and never anything else" to "no other definition uses literally the word "hatred", so it cannot mean that."

Would you be fine if homophobia was defined as "loathing" homosexuals, then?

I know I'm totally poking the bear with this...

What about photophobia? Photophobia is an intolerance to light... especially painful sensitiveness to strong light... I mean... that doesn't even have fear or hatred in the definition.

TrulyBland3 votes

Why don't you go ahead and read the full definition that you just wrote?

an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

Goldilux2 votes

^ this

{quoted}

Hmmm....all taken from Webster. Some things just aren't adding up, but with the level of brainwash that you suffer, I'm sure that you'll try and talk your way out of this, fail, and resort to misdirection. Have a nice day bud.

Also, maybe use actual Webster definitions instead of saying they're Webster definitions.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agoraphobia

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