Hivemind

evildoer34·Mar 30, 2016·5 votes·1,576 views

This board really is one huge hivemind of people that need to develop thicker skin. I mean I'm all for bans when someone is being verbally abusive, racist or homophobic but I'm seeing more and more threads of people getting suspended for really benign things. The worse part about it is you all mindlessly agree with riot no matter what the chat log contains. To many of you it doesn't matter if people ruin the game, troll, intentionally try to get a rise out of people, as long as your feelings aren't hurt you don't see a problem. It's really quite fascinating to see such a consensus on here and I suspect it has something to do with the sheltered millennial generation, where feelings are more important than rational thought or facts. The worst part is you can mute someone who is telling you to play better but you can't stop someone from playing sona jungle and wasting your time. It's sad that you all think the former is worse than the latter.

46 Comments

AxestsMar 30, 20168 votes

all that i've seen in the people complaining about their bans is toxic individuals ripping on one or more individuals in the game. Sure it may seem like friendly banter for them, but to the person they're speaking to and form others perspectives it's simply mindless toxicity. If the others in the game believed it warranted a report then chances are it did. People being sensitive isn't an excuse to allow the kind of behavior that gets you banned, that's like saying freedom of speech is an excuse to call people racial slurs, and be okay with it.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

The person they are speaking to can mute them
The emphasis should be put on people ruining the game in the first place and not people reacting to it.
Like I said, I find it perfectly fine that hate speech has a zero tolerance policy but some of these chat logs are far from what I would call offensive.

Your analogy is wrong, it's more like being arrested for getting mad at someone who carelessly drove his car into yours.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20165 votes

the mute button is stop your game from being ruined any more. A report button is to ensure no one else has to deal with said toxic individual.
toxic players do ruin the game.
toxicity stacks. You make a habit out of it? You will be punished. No ifs, ands, or buts.

And no, your analogy is wrong. Here's what it would actually be: you get in a minor fender bender with a guy, and you beat him up over it, so you get arrested.

So, sorry not sorry mate, enjoy your ban.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

Hahah comparing what I said to a beating. You are way out of touch my friend.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20165 votes

You recieved two warning before hand. You continued to be toxic.

Little advise, your next step is a permaban, and it takes 3 months for the teir to go down once. Any little amount of toxicity that is validated will get you a permaban, doesn't matter who bad it is.

And I continued and fixed your analogy of the car crash, as yours was hopelessly wrong. And the fact that you then argue certain words about mine shows that: a) you are flailing because all of your supposed arguments have been shut down by myself or others, or b) you don't have any idea how to behave I society and feel that what you did was completely validated

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

The fact that you think your analogy is valid shows me that A) you probably don't go out much B) you were way too sheltered as a child.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20165 votes

Yeah, alright, this already shows everything that led to you getting banned.

Seeing as you probably aren't going to reform anytime soon (just a general guess), then have fun with your new account (and don't you dare crying back here with something along the line of "I spent so much money on this game!")

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Here's what my 25 game chat ban was for. Lol mid zil or feed Please report Zil he said mid zil or feed when he didnt have mid Wtf FF Just report please

So tell me please, how was I supposed to react when dynamic queue was specifically made for this purpose and this inconsiderate jerk decides he's taking my lane? You know the worst part is I actually let him go mid and went support, all I asked was that people report him. But I'm sure you'll be able to justify this as well with the level of delusion you seem to suffer from.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20165 votes

You don't ask for reports, as one report os as good as 9 in a single game.

You don't call for "FF", you play the game, and if you do actually need to surrender, you just call the vote.

You report the guy at the end of the game for stealing the lane (dynamic queue is the ability the play ranked with multiple people. You're thinking of new champ select), and seeing as, in this scenario you didn't do anything wrong, you don't get punished.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

You're grasping dude, I literally said nothing wrong and got escalated to the next level of punishment.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20164 votes

People have already explained what you did wrong.

You called for reports, multiple times: harassment. You called "FF": unsportsmanlike, defeatist attitude.

Being that you were already punished (and I'm going out on a limb here and guess that you were still on your 10 game restriction there), it grades you harsher then if someone said that and they had no punishments (again, make a habit out of it, you will get punished)

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

You're the kind of person I was referring to in my OP. Thanks for proving my point. Have a nice day.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20164 votes

Yes because stating the right answer automatically makes you a hive mind. Ever stop to consider that you are the who's wrong?

I mean it shouldn't be too hard, seeing as you are the one on the final punishment stage, and all the people telling you what you did wrong aren't.

But hey, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Have you ever stopped to consider that you are the one who's wrong? Also, way to imply that Riot has the supreme moral authority on anything. I can guarantee that most people in real life would agree with me, like I said, many people in this community are sheltered and obsessed with their feelings. Thanks again for proving my point this has been quite fascinating.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20164 votes

Wow you are delusional. Grasping at imagined straws because all your "reasons" have fallen flat on their face.

I never implied riot has moral authority. Where did you even get that? What riot does have is complete authority over their game, something you agree to everytike you patch.

I think the fact that no one on this thread is supporting you, as well as your post currently negatively voted speaks volumes against "I can guarantee that most people in real life would agree with me"

And as someone who was bullied as a kid, lives in the real world, and plays this game for fun, I can ensure that I am not sheltered and obsessed with my feelings.

I wouldn't put it past it that you were however, seeing as you cannot accept that what you did was wrong, feel the need to insult anyone who actually proves you wrong, and then resorts to deflecting and logical fallacies when you are wrong and have nowhere to go.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

{quoted} And as someone who was bullied as a kid, lives in the real world, and plays this game for fun, I can ensure that I am not sheltered and obsessed with my feelings.

This, I'm really not surprised about this.

czisbackMar 31, 20162 votes

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And as someone who was bullied as a kid,

lol

ModWulf HelhammerMar 31, 20161 votes

Your point? When people are trying to take advantage of your emotions, you learn to not let them, by showing that you are the better person, and not letting them take advantage of you

Lothàrs EdgeMar 31, 20161 votes

Have you ever let a bully continuously bother you while not reacting? Doesn't work so well. They just think of you as a doormat to walk over.

The irony is that the few times I had "beef" with classmates in school, after a brief fight/mix-up with both of them on separate occasions, they stopped.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 31, 20163 votes

Calling for a report is never the right option. Simply report them yourself after the game is over.

This isn't a comment about whether or not you should be punished for this specific behavior; that's not my place to judge. It's advice on how to do it better next time, without any chance of being reported or punished for it, falsely or otherwise.

DrCyanideMar 30, 20165 votes

Last time I saw a chat log like that the punishment was considered valid, not because of the chat, but because that person had been trolling or intentionally feeding.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Judging from my thread do you think I would have trolled or intentionally fed? I'm highly competitive and although I do get carried away in the chat sometimes I have never intentionally ruined the experience for others with my play.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Here's another analogy since you have such a hard time grasping a simple concept. Some of us played competitive team sports when we were younger. Let's pretend one outfielder on a baseball team constantly tried to catch fly balls with his bare hands and almost always dropped the ball. Now in this instance I can guarantee most people on the team would get upset at him and probably call him a few names. How do you think the coach would react?? Do you think he would bench the players who reacted because catching a ball with your bare hands is not against the rules or do you think he would bench the player who seems hellbent on ruining the game for the rest of the team?

ModWulf HelhammerMar 30, 20164 votes

As someone who also played competative sports, yes, the coach would likely bench the kid not playing well. But he would also likely bench you for being a nuisance of a human being. You don't a a coach's job -- you leave anything above your pay grade above your pay grade.

You do not have any authority on any player in this game. Anything you do will be held to the same standards as everyone else. Stop thinking you are some innocent angel when you are in fact the complete opposite.

Lothàrs EdgeMar 31, 20161 votes

Do people not notice their own exaggerations within their analogy to the point where they have to falsely accuse the other person of doing something they didn't?

"You get in a minor fender bender with a guy and you beat him up over it" How are words the equivalent of beating up? And how is a consistent amount of flame/insults equivalent to a minor fender bender?

A more accurate analogy would be 2 teams playing a sports game, let's say basketball. 2 people on one of the team's are being complete assholes and they decide to verbally gang up on someone to an extreme degree for every little mistake or whatever have you. That person either A. puts in earphones or B. walks away from the situation or maybe even C. he insults them back, maybe even makes a mom joke or tells them to go fk off

A verbal gang up would be the equivalent to the massive amount of inflammatory remarks and spamming of pings. Putting on earphones would be almost like muting, but not really. Walking away from the situation would be like leaving the game, but that isn't allowed freely. Insulting them back would be... insulting them back. There's literally no difference here, other than the consequences of doing so. In Riot's world, you're just as toxic. In the real world, you're... a typical normal human being.

Do you see how analogies work now? Lmao, enjoy your life.

SerevasMar 30, 20161 votes

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The person they are speaking to can mute them

Typically the raging person who is supposed to be muted ends up tilting the whole team, and god forbid someone speaks up and tells the raging person to back off and leave the guy alone.

The emphasis should be put on people ruining the game in the first place and not people reacting to it.

Most people would argue that the rager is in fact ruining the game as they're typically spending more time typing than even playing, at least the troll pick isn't always a detriment to the team.

Like I said, I find it perfectly fine that hate speech has a zero tolerance policy but some of these chat logs are far from what I would call offensive.

Some of those specific chat logs are in fact less than offensive to a lot of people, however, some of the posts happen to not include every bit of the chat log, not include all of the chat logs listed, or the fact that they've been previously punished for other things. Expecting them to put everything all the time is like blindly believing an alcoholic sitting in a bar of empty bottles with whiskey on his breath that he didn't drink a drop.

Your analogy is wrong, it's more like being arrested for getting mad at someone who carelessly drove his car into yours.

I find that this is actually very rarely the case, and the ragers are typically the ones starting the issue to begin with. Jungler wouldn't gank their lane so they start flaming him. Jungler took the kill instead of giving it up to the laner, so he starts flaming him. Someone had a bad game, flame them. Someone gives up first blood, flame them. Rager gives up first blood, flame someone else.

Just because someone locks in Teemo jungle doesn't give you the right to call them a worthless sack of shit. What if their win rate on Teemo jungle is 90% across 100 games? Is that likely the case? No, but it's always possible. I've actually won several games with some pretty horrific troll picks on my team.

Trolls don't get banned because Riot basically refuses to acknowledge a meta game anywhere except professional play, but yet it exists. They make champions for the meta game on their release. It's just a very fine line to start banning people for their champion and role choices. Quinn came out as a marksman rework, but ended up being played primarily Top and Jungle, likewise for Graves. Probably came across as troll as all hell initially, until it worked really well. Maybe Sona jungle works really well if it gets rolling, that ult could make for some really nasty ganks.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

This is the first reasonable response I've gotten and I agree with you for the most part so congratulations. I still think in some instances the instant feedback system is wrong. Take my 25 game chat ban for example:

Lol mid zil or feed Please report Zil he said mid zil or feed when he didnt have mid Wtf FF Just report please

I had mid and had to go support because of this particular inconsiderate player. How can you justify me getting a 25 chat ban for this?

SerevasMar 31, 20161 votes

You do realize that inciting people to report another player is actually a bannable offense, and the entire reason you got the chat ban?

AxestsApr 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

The person they are speaking to can mute them

The emphasis should be put on people ruining the game in the first place and not people reacting to it.

Like I said, I find it perfectly fine that hate speech has a zero tolerance policy but some of these chat logs are far from what I would call offensive.

Your analogy is wrong, it's more like being arrested for getting mad at someone who carelessly drove his car into yours.

the chat policy applies not just to offensive things, any form of negativity or verbal abuse, no matter how mild or light hearted, can get you banned under riots policy. And yes while a player can simply mute them, they shouldn't be forced to mute their team, which dissuades teamwork, because they're being flamed in chat.

SerevasMar 30, 20163 votes

Couldn't have said it better myself.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Thread title ;)

AstôlfoMar 30, 20164 votes

the salt it's killing me help

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

You must be the most clever poster on here. Nice to meet you.

o Maui oMar 30, 20164 votes

This is very clever, OP! Now you can just dismiss everyone who disagrees with you by slapping a simple label on them, without the bother of having to deal with their points or perspectives. What a time-saver!

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

Except practically no one has posted a nuanced well thought-out opinion, it was exactly as I predicted. Please be my guest and be the first to post an intelligent perspective I'd love to read one.

o Maui oMar 30, 20162 votes

Exactly! You don't even have to bother with alternate points of view. Great work!

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

Especially since they haven't been presented. Thank you.

MasterSomethingMar 30, 20162 votes

...That was sarcasm, man...

DeloricVIMar 30, 20162 votes

Look, a lot of people don't read chat logs because it's none of our business. People who go on the forums and complain about bans are complaining for no reason to the wrong people.

They should submit a support ticket if they feel their ban was unjust. How the community feels is wholly irrelevant. Not to mention, how the forums feel is beyond the point. Riot didn't like what the person did, it's their game, their rules, and you agree to this every time you accept their Terms of Service. Aside from that, it's not really that hard to not be toxic. Most of these people having it coming to them, and the chat logs prove it most of the time, whenever I bother to read them.

I do agree that this community does need to stop acting like a bunch of brats, but you have to consider that there are definitely some 8-10 year olds playing the game, and further, people who are older and have the mind set of 8-10 year olds. There's nothing you can really do about it except don't be an asshole. There is a time and place to express your anger towards these people, and it is not in a way that Riot doesn't agree with. At the end of the day, Riot can ban whoever they please, because it's their game, and they're letting you play it for free. You can buy a skin, champion, ward skin, etc with your money if you want to support them, but otherwise you have no obligation to pay them. Thus, Riot has no obligation to bat an eye when someone gets banned because they have a much larger community to keep in check.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20161 votes

Reasonable response but I still think their philosophy of only punishing base on the chat is inefficient.

DeloricVIMar 30, 20162 votes

Like I said, you can send a support ticket and explain yourself if you think the ban was undeserved, or based in a misunderstanding. Although, it is important to keep in mind that, the more times you've been banned with no contest, the less lenient they'll be. I have no idea what stage of being banned you are in or referring to. If you're permabanned, it's very hard to catch a break, because so many preliminary bans for toxicity contribute to the permaban.

If you are forced to create a new account, I'm sorry to hear that, especially if you feel that this was a misunderstanding. Otherwise, I'll leave with some advice. I'm no saint, but I've never been reported (to my knowledge). I get angry, sure, but I make sure that what I have to say is constructive, and I try to make sure that it's clear I'm saying what I am out of wanting to improve this player's abilities or their experience. If I tell someone who's feeding in ranked that uses excuses like "I don't play this role/champion/style of champion often" I tell them to play normal games. Then I make it clear that I mean, because you'll get fewer people raging at you, and you can be free to feed without people getting nearly as angry and frustrated with you as in ranked. It'll overall be a better experience more often. Or, maybe I explain why their choice of Sona Jungle was bad. Not in detail, just small facts that say, "look, don't do this again; it was a bad idea." And I often get away with telling them how frustrated it makes me and the team as a whole.

Just some food for thought, should you find yourself in need of it.

evildoer34Mar 30, 20162 votes

I'm too hot-headed for that but thanks for the suggestion. I actually have a macro on my keyboard to mute everyone in game so I'm gonna start using that. Thank you for actually posting a nuanced opinion and not being like 90% of these over-zealous riot defenders.

czisbackMar 31, 20162 votes