14 day ban, possible ban reset if reformed?

Synoxia·Dec 10, 2017·0 votes·2,394 views

Just got a 14 day ban. So, after the first permabanned account what riot achieved from me is just me not spending a single euro anymore on lol. (I had 200€ worth of skin acc)

Now, i think i'm not playing on that account anymore, not going to risk losing all time spent on it because I WILL eventually flame and get banned, and next one is a permaban. I think riot ban system is bad, but also that Riot has to understand that punishing toxic player doesn't stop them from being toxic, or atleast doesn't stop me. I am not tyler1, but as most of the champs that i play do not cost much BE, or are free. I will just move on another account, for free, be sporty until i get honor rewards, but ieventually lose patience some games. Then i'll just create new account > find lv 30 bots and repeat. I actually tried to reform after a chat ban, because i saw this honor 4 acc getting so much free stuff for free, but level 0 honor is too hard to exit from, i have rage problems and not being rewarded for being sporty doesn't help.

Flaming others make me feel good when they tilt me from their bs, so i will continue that way, unless reforming on the 14 day acc ban will reset the bans. But i don't think this is going to happen, riot isn't even unbanning reformed people accounts.

Random toxic plat that has to carry 4 monkeys every game

26 Comments

Magical PlayerDec 10, 20174 votes

I don’t get what you’re asking for Riot doesn’t want toxic players Can you restate your desire without sounding like it’s not your failt

Hextech OwIDec 10, 20173 votes

Possible ban reset if reformed?

No. You already have a chance to get reformed by having a 2 week ban rather than a perma.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20172 votes

Perfect. I'll just keep flaming then on other accounts.

Hextech OwIDec 10, 20171 votes

Seeing you this mentality, I really think the 14 days ban was deserved.

SynoxiaDec 11, 20171 votes

y, i will keep being a retarded flamer until riot unbans my 1st account i think, which will never happen. tyler1 apprentice xd

Pandemic PunchDec 10, 20171 votes

I understand the sentiment but this blanket statement is a really stupid way of looking at it. What if your account was 8 years old with no history of toxicity and someone is calling you a %%%got repeatedly? What if you respond to this person by calling them an idiot once and you get a 14-day ban as your first punishment ever and they don't get punished?

Is it fair to you to have to walk on egg shells for the rest of League's existence while their account is still getting rewards and is in good standing?

Learn to empathize before you respond. Riot isn't as consistent or lenient as they lead on. It is TERRIBLE.

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20172 votes

First of all, getting a 14-day Ban as a first punishment right out of the gate for calling someone an idiot is unrealistic. It's never going to happen, ever.

Second, if that person's account is still in good standing while you've been punished, then it's only because you let them be. If you don't report, they don't get punished. It's that simple.

You really aught to think things through before you start making up wild scenarios that don't actually align with the system in place.

Pandemic PunchDec 10, 20171 votes

I am not making up wild scenarios. I actually just gave you a real scenario.

I have reported in-game AND sent support tickets AND made forums threads about people calling others, "%%%got" in game or the client. Nothing happened to them.

"But how did you know nothing happened to them"

Because their account remains active for weeks afterward.

Stop digging your heels into your argument and please understand that this happens all of the time. People would be shocked at the amount of toxicity that toxic players get away with. Usually the only time it gets any attention is if the player being insulted defends themselves. This scenario usually creates a back and forth that triggers the automated system to pick up on it easier. The player that gets banned is almost always the one who is defending themselves or a teammate who is being bullied.

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20171 votes

Yes, it is a wild scenario. You don't get a 14-day ban as a first punishment for calling someone an idiot. You only get a 14-day ban as a first punishment for chat-related offences if you use hate-speech or encouragements of self-harm - or other stuff deemed zero-tolerance.

So, if you got a 14-day ban right off the bat, you probably said something that's considered zero tolerance - whether leveled at whoever you were (for whatever reason) arguing with, or quoting them (for, again, god knows what reason).

Now, note, I mean "you" in the figurative sense. I'm not going to assume if you've been hit with a punishment or not.

Next - stalking? Really? If you're going to sink that low and deliberately track other players you've reported, then I'm inclined to call into question whether you're playing League to play it or to stalk its players.

Even going beyond your questionable habits, I'm willing to throw doubt on your statements. "for weeks afterward" - I'm betting you mean "they went dark for two weeks and picked back up".

And, lastly, I'm going to echo quite a few comments I've seen from some reputable posters on these boards: There's nothing to defend against. If you're "defending yourself" in a game where you can mute and report and move on, you're really just flaming back.

All you do by "defending yourself" is create an echo chamber of toxicity that nobody wants to deal with. Hence why the people "defending themselves" get punished.

Pandemic PunchDec 10, 20171 votes

You are digging your heels into an argument that I have first hand experience in. It did happen. No matter how much you believe it to be untrue, it won't make it untrue. Since you can't get passed that, everything else you say is a waste.

Probably should have concentrated on that one before you typed a wall of text. lol

SynoxiaDec 11, 20171 votes

Dude. It doesn't work that way. Telling to someone "idiot" is negative attitude. So the first time u will get 25 game chat restriction, if u do it again, even after 1 year, u get 14 days ban, and then the same, if after 2 years u suddenly become toxic again you get permaban. The smartest thing to do is to figure out what the system bans, and what does not. Because even if u say "i suck" system will add that to ban you (happened to me)

And by the way, there's no such thing as emphatize in this game, this is my chat log. Where i had both games a tristana that mutes me since champ select because i was giving advices on how to play my main role and she start to flame me back in game and mute me, second game i had whole team flaming each other with morgana that proceeds to Int toplane straight into tower because rengar failed invade and gave a kill to varus (which i destroyed anyway, so idk why morgana kept being like this)

You cannot flame people who flame at you, at the end of the day if u dont want to be banned u just have to suck the flame or start to int the game ^^

Game 3 i just failed with thresh because i had no purpose of being offensive by telling him "pussy" but that was the fastest thing that came in my mind to tell him not to be afraid, whatever, system is stupid.

My mother will die die if afk flamer tristana or the int morgana gets banned. The problem with the system is that it is a damn bot. Game admins would empathize and would never ban you because u defended yourself or counterflame, and after all they did to me i still tried to win every game of these, won game 1 and 2, unfortunately 3 was not winnable.

Game 1 ********: good for us ********: they have no frontliner ********: trist ********: come ********: probuilds ********: concentrate ********: this is hard poke lane ********: as soon we lv 2 ********: if possible i eng ********: xDD ********: do i have to start? ********: you engaged without creeps ********: with me everything on cd ********: focus on your own play ********: coz ur gold 3 garbage ********: no answer? ********: mute me? ********: yeah? ********: k ********: he mute me ********: :) ********: nope ********: he mutem e ********: i let him play my main ********: he flames me ********: he ruins my game :) ********: 21 ********: yes ********: mute me ********: nah ********: just someone keeping demote from plat 3 mmr ********: coz of ppl like this adc ********: told him not to mute me ********: what? ********: im not doing anything ********: trist do not follow my engages ********: he also mute me ********: so ********: yeah because ********: i thought i could kill you ********: what? ********: i cant tell you ********: what i am doing ********: coz u muted me ********: nope ********: i am bad ********: sorry team :( ********: now tristana is mad at me ********: idk ********: nah dude ********: he flames me ********: i told him ********: in champ select ********: to not mute me ********: see ********: its her ********: my plays are good ********: dude u will win anyway ********: bewcause tristana muted me ********: there is no coordination ********: im trying to help her ********: xd ********: i can ********: if trist unmute me ********: this dude is gold 3 ********: so arrogant ********: the problem is ********: player toxic like tristana ********: deserve to lose ********: if u see ********: someone is tilted ********: coz can't carry 1v9 game ********: you chill ********: you do not flame ********: im trying to dodge ez Q ********: and escape ********: i dont understand whats wrong with those guys :) ********: you probably ********: dont want someone ********: like tristana ********: he muted me ********: i said i would not coperate aswell ********: if im muted :) ********: now they wanna ff ********: :( ********: report trist afk in abse ********: i agree ********: preseason is garbage ********: i had one game each other flaming each other ********: i was the only one playing ********: i lost 2 games like that ********: 19-2 9-2 trist 300 cs ********: now tristana doesnt want to co-operate ********: with tilted guy ********: i even let him my role :) ********: instead of chill out ********: he mutes me ********: rfc cannon tristana ********: we wouldn't have won this anyway i guess ********: idk ********: but i am playing ********: trist is the one afk ********: see ********: she ints ********: now the team ********: instead of focusing ********: to win ********: is flaming me ********: i had bad timeù ********: :DD ********: is there someone that didn't mute me ********: i am actually playing ********: lets win just to ********: make this trist feel bad ********: i will carry the other 4 person ********: and report you ********: annie too ********: this is why ********: you are stuck in this elo ********: we are actually playing ********: its you, being afk ********: doesnt matter ********: they throw ********: LOL ********: NSHBR ********: IS NO WRD ********: NMSHR IS NOT WARDED ********: they have 0 wards ********: nvm ********: wp ********: they have ********: no vision ********: 4v5 ********: we c an force ********: rammus ********: we had free nshr ********: kust ********: force ********: FROCE SNHR ********: inhb ********: nashor ********: b and nshr ********: tpld you ********: to nshr ********: ^^ ********: i fail all w+q today ********: lol ********: def ********: close ********: rammus lost ********: a free nshr ********: btew ********: he's teamfight god ********: xd ********: i am carrying too ********: but you dont notice ********: because you are low elo ********: and only see score ********: exaclty ********: you do no dmg ********: trist ********: xd ********: xddd ********: gg wp ********: nah ********: just throwing ********: by everyone ********: ambush ********: is not free ********: they should contest ********: :) Game 2 ********: OMG ********: COMKE ********: AND HELP ME ********: GOD DAMN ********: REPORT MORGANA ********: X9 ********: INT ********: U FARM ********: more than thresh ********: god damn ********: bot has lethality ********: for now we are doing kinda fine ********: i got you dude ********: unlucky ********: it is ********: bot is ahead ********: can you chill out ********: our bot is hard losing ********: coz i hard outscale them ********: and i am ahead ********: kayn is 3-1 ********: wp ********: chase azir ********: lose drake ********: engagte varus ********: pls ********: morg ********: im 2 lv ********: ahead ********: ... ********: guys ********: i can solo carry you ********: if u stop flame ********: i was ********: 2 level ahead of varus ********: LOL ********: I COULD FLASH THAT ********: xD ********: oh no ********: nvm ********: flash CD ********: 1v5 ********: feels bad ********: just safe play ********: god damn ********: pls ********: i kicked you into my tier 2 ********: this hitboxes ********: time to mute everyone ********: u tilt me ********: i am playign bad ********: ward... ********: we need vision at nshr ********: theyre probably doign it ********: kayn should go tanky ********: oru comp is really bad ********: morgana get locket ********: what elo is this ********: excuse me? ********: eh ********: pathetic smurf jokes ********: its not even fair ********: at this point ********: because they are wayù ********: way ********: below this elo ********: idk who can get boosted to plat 5 ********: x9 morgana ********: for inting ********: btw ********: §k reported azir too ********: creep dmg ********: 400 ********: xD ********: dmg creep ********: x9 morg Game 3 ********: ALL ********: I NTHAT B USH ********: why ********: op ********: best lead ********: euw ********: thresh dont be so pussy ********: just dont let them grab me ********: should be fine ********: stand in front of me ********: if bc grab ********: <3 ********: ye ********: that w ********: xDD ********: i saw your lantern ********: and didnt jump on drake ********: reflexes ********: ehù ********: why ********: steal my cs ********: xD ********: ? ********: ? ********: ? ********: ? ********: ? ********: W mechanics ********: broken by that skin? ********: i dont get ********: this thresh ********: èpussy ********: i mean ********: i am ahead ********: god damn ********: and u dont stand in front of me ********: idk ********: do i have to mute u? ********: their adc is still 0-3 ********: and i m outfarming him ********: see u no pussy ********: we win trade ********: rammus wtf ********: thresh wtf ********: WHY U ARE TAXING ********: yeah ********: push my lane ********: take exp ********: but dont last hit ********: muted dian ********: useless no follow his mid ********: eh ********: get dived ********: coz thresh no here ********: risky ********: where is xin ********: garbage people ********: garbage ********: gotta mute u all ********: gotta carry this gamme ********: i dont mute shen ********: if they montain ********: we baron ********: yeah ********: exactly ********: ^^ ********: take this atleast

ExaggeratedToastDec 10, 20172 votes

Not playing an account actually doesn't improve it's standings, you have to play games on the account with improved attitude, getting honors helps with this process (if your last game was super toxic and you separate that 1 year from your next game and that game you are super toxic... how does that look? looks like you didn't improve in over a year)
Not a single person can force you to care about your account/money spent, we can only point you the direction (you can lead a horse to water, you cant force him to shut his yap)
when reports are filled out, it's their opinion being voiced, not yours. so caring about someone else opinion is a must if you really want to reform
having anger problems doesn't excuse anyone in life, how many people would be out on the streets instead of behind bars if we let yours and others anger problems excuse them from foul play.
finally, you can't be rewarded for doing what you are suppose to do, you can expect riot to say "OH you did't flame for 100 games REWARDS!!!!", people already go thousands of games without a report, they get no special treatment other than getting keys and capsules every so often. you are expected to be on good behavior regardless.

Jo0oDec 10, 20172 votes

not going to risk losing all time spent on it because I WILL eventually flame and get banned, and next one is a permaban.

You've admitted to an extremely sad personal flaw. This is not normal behavior.

Riot's system isn't at fault, you are. Get help.

SynoxiaDec 12, 20171 votes

Or get a new account, until they fix the system.

Jo0oDec 12, 20171 votes

Fix the system to do what? Develop a personalized method of behavioral evaluation to identify folks with the inability to regulate their own behavior and... give them targeted leniency?

Let's be clear. You have admitted that, given enough time, you will lose your cool and break the rules. That is NOT normal human behavior. You, personally, need to adjust how you behave. The system will never help you until you help yourself.

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20171 votes

not going to risk losing all time spent on it because I WILL eventually flame and get banned

If you're conscious of your own toxicity, why do you not do anything to change it?

but also that Riot has to understand that punishing toxic player doesn't stop them from being toxic, or atleast doesn't stop me.

Negative reinforcement can work - it may not work 100% of the time, but most players who get punished learn to shape up pretty quickly.

Also - not punishing players wouldn't stop toxic players from being toxic, either, so I'd rather have the marginally more effective "try and fail" over the "do nothing" option.

I will just move on another account, for free, be sporty until i get honor rewards, but ieventually lose patience some games.

Again - if you're fully conscious of your own toxicity, why do you not try to improve yourself? All you're doing is just letting yourself sit in a perpetual cycle of "be toxic, get banned, start again, be toxic, get banned, etc." - You should take your punishments as a message that you need to reform.

Then i'll just create new account > find lv 30 bots and repeat.

What do you mean by this? Your wording's pretty weird, but I assume you mean that you let a bot run your account up to Level 30? That's probably only going to result in a ban once it's detected.

I actually tried to reform after a chat ban, because i saw this honor 4 acc getting so much free stuff for free, but level 0 honor is too hard to exit from, i have rage problems and not being rewarded for being sporty doesn't help.

See, I can get anger issues - I grew up dealing with anger issues, but you can't just try once and then stop when the road uphill starts looking too steep. If you want some of my advice on dealing with anger, I'm more than glad to offer it.

As for Honor Level 0 being hard to exit from - I've seen quite a lot of statements to that effect. Though, of course, that should be the case when dishonored. But, if you truly want to break free of Honor Level 0, you have to start with reform. With that, and patience, you can re-climb the Honor levels.

Flaming others make me feel good when they tilt me from their bs,

Getting catharsis from petty retaliation is a weak comfort, and - as you're likely already familiar, considering the punishments you've received - pretty damn self-destructive.

I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but this is where self-improvement and reform are meant to kick in.

so i will continue that way, unless reforming on the 14 day acc ban will reset the bans.

This is neither the way to go, nor the way things work. If you're strictly hell-bent on flaming and being toxic, you're - again - only going to keep getting banned. You need to see that your behavior and attitude are the problem, and you need to fix them.

As for bans - Riot only overturns punishments if they find they issued it in error. And since you're openly proclaiming that you're toxic and you flame people frequently - you're not likely to get your 14-day ban removed.

But i don't think this is going to happen, riot isn't even unbanning reformed people accounts.

Nope. The whole point of the punishment would be lost if people could have their accounts back if they showed "reform" only after getting their account banned.

Random toxic plat that has to carry 4 monkeys every game

Again; mindset. Has to change.

You're not playing with "4 monkeys", you're playing with four people. Ironically, four players of apparently similar skill level to you.

And I don't care if you actually are carrying or if you think you're carrying just because you just took down a turret, you need to see your teammates as equals. You need to change your mindset and behavior, or else - and again, pardon if I sound like a broken record - you'll just keep getting punished until you either change, or leave.

One last thing;

I think riot ban system is bad

Explain, please.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20171 votes

TLDR

The only thing that keeps me from flaming on this account is lv 4 honor. I dont care, its riot that has to change. It stupid to permaban people for chat, permaban the chat, not the accounts :) I will get as many account banned as needed to fullfill my needs to insult the other person if i think they deserve. If my 14 day ban doesn't get reset even if reform theres no point of continue playing on that account. I can't risk a random report/some patience loss to lose all of that time on an account

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20171 votes

Riot doesn't need to change, you do.

It stupid to permaban people for chat, permaban the chat, not the accounts

Funny thing is, they tried this. Indefinite chat restrictions were a thing, but, players suffering these indefinite chat restrictions simply resorted to non-chat related forms of toxicity. Trolling, griefing, int-feeding - so, lemme ask you - what's the point in a permanent chat ban when all it will eventually lead to is a permanent account ban?

I will get as many account banned as needed to fullfill my needs to insult the other person if i think they deserve.

So, you're an unrepentant toxic jerk who's hellbent on getting punished indefinitely? Then, my only advice is this: leave League of Legends. Go find another game. If you're not going to change, you're not welcome here. End of discussion.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20171 votes

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Riot doesn't need to change, you do.

Funny thing is, they tried this. Indefinite chat restrictions were a thing, but, players suffering these indefinite chat restrictions simply resorted to non-chat related forms of toxicity. Trolling, griefing, int-feeding - so, lemme ask you - what's the point in a permanent chat ban when all it will eventually lead to is a permanent account ban?

I play since s2. Never seen anything like that. I just know that i always flamed and suddenly after 14 days ban i get 5years old account where i spent moneys permabanned just because i flamed.

So, you're an unrepentant toxic jerk who's hellbent on getting punished indefinitely? Then, my only advice is this: leave League of Legends. Go find another game. If you're not going to change, you're not welcome here. End of discussion. I'm not going to change if this system is going only to punish people rather than make them reform. I am not welcome? I dont care, until they IPban me i will just repeat the cycle as i dont care of new accounts

Play > If honor > 1 i try not to write, if honor < 1 i will flame the monkeys that steal air on my team

If i had my account back/i had chance to reset ban on my 14day banned account things would have been different, i don't want even try to reform as its really easy to get banned, i got banned for telling the supp not to be a pussy xd thats bad attitude not even flaming...

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20171 votes

Okay, first off - Seriously, stop referring to your teammates as "monkeys". They are people. You are one of them. Calling them "monkeys" is to call YOURSELF one.

Second; your whole "if/then" thing is pretty fucked up. It shouldn't be "if I'm below Honor 1 I should act like it, and if I'm above Honor 1 I should not even speak" - it should be "If I'm below Honor 1 I should work to be better, and if I'm above Honor 1 I should try to be more sportsmanlike to show I'm worth it".

Like Prandine said - Honor 4 should be a goal, a motivation, something you strive for in the long-term.

If i had my account back/i had chance to reset ban on my 14day banned account things would have been different,

No, they probably wouldn't have. You said it yourself, several times - you're toxic. You know it. If you could rewind to before you got your punishments, would you act any differently knowing that? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't.

You're greedily trying to frame it as though Riot had done you wrong, even after stating that you are toxic. With all respect - that's completely delusional.

i got banned for telling the supp not to be a pussy xd thats bad attitude not even flaming...

That punishment was likely just the straw that broke the camel's back, as minor chat-related offences can only result in a permaban if they follow a 14-day ban.
That is moderate flaming and moderate harassment, because you're accusing your teammate of being a coward, and being needlessly vulgar about it.
Negative Attitude just so happens to be a report category, so "bad attitude" isn't even close to an excuse.

i don't want even try to reform as its really easy to get banned,

If it's really easy to get banned, then why have I yet to be banned? I've had some bad games here and there - I've had the scarce matches where I've made a sarcastic or passive-aggressive quip, and yet, I'm still in the clear. I imagine, though, that it's only really easy for you to get banned, since getting banned can be either about severity or frequency of negative behavior.

You have no reason to not try to reform, and you have plenty of reason to try to reform.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20171 votes

No. My teammates are monkeys, because they act like that. Calling what they act like stops me from depressing everytime i lose because i can't carry them. Because they are monkeys. Its hard to carry monkeys. You climb when u are able to carry even monkeys and win.

If im below honor lv 1 theres no way to get back, i tried it, its almost impossible because people report you for whatever reason, and not flaming does not provide the catarsys effect you mentioned, so why force myself not to flame if i want to, im not getting honor rewards either?

I do not want to rewind before my punishments, i want that if i reform, but suddenly i get toxic again (because i can fail, as a human being) i do not get permabanned and waste an account and time.

Yeah riot has done me wrong because this stupid game has 0 tolerance, you can get punished so easily, thats why u never see very old player speak in chat.

Nah dude, this was from the 14 day chatlog, i was just being negative in a game and the pussy thing in another. Didn't use curse words or being vulgar apart from that.

I have no reason to try to reform, atleast on the 14day banned account. As i said, if i reform nothing will change, if i get toxic again my "reform period" won't count, straight permaban even if im not being hard toxic. On the honor 4 acc i just dont write in chat :)

Umbral RegentDec 10, 20172 votes

If im below honor lv 1 theres no way to get back, i tried it, its almost impossible

Yes, there is a way back. By being honorable, humble, positive, and most of all patient. You may get honor locked, but it isn't indefinite - you can work your way back into good standing.

and not flaming does not provide the catarsys effect you mentioned,

There are other ways to find catharsis than being a dick to your teammates and fucking yourself over in the long run. Like I said - I've dealt and still deal with anger issues, if you need or want advice, just ask.

so why force myself not to flame if i want to, im not getting honor rewards either?

Because if you do flame, you'll never get honor rewards? Again - if you want honor, but still let yourself be toxic, that's horrendously counterproductive. You're only screwing yourself over.

i want that if i reform, but suddenly i get toxic again (because i can fail, as a human being)

As I mentioned before, bans can happen out of either severity or frequency. So, I can only imagine one of two things happen:

You "fail" in one spectacular, explosive outburst that demands you get permabanned (unlikely)
You "fail" quite a number of times in succession, ultimately working your way up the punishment ladder quickly. (likely)

Like I mentioned, even I've displayed human failings in some matches, but clearly not to any degree that would demand punishment.

Yeah riot has done me wrong because this stupid game has 0 tolerance, you can get punished so easily, thats why u never see very old player speak in chat.

Again, you say Riot has done you wrong, but you state several times that you're toxic and unwilling to bother with change. Riot may be doing wrong by you, but for the community at large, they're doing right. You're the one doing wrong.

As for punishments and old players never speaking - read above.

As a semi-related note - anyone remember when Lucian was released? 'Cause I started playing around then. I imagine that was quite a few years ago.

I have no reason to try to reform, atleast on the 14day banned account. As i said, if i reform nothing will change, if i get toxic again my "reform period" won't count, straight permaban even if im not being hard toxic.

If you "reform" and then somehow slip into toxicity, you didn't reform at all. You need to actually work at it, address your problems and work to resolve them in some way.

So, I offer you one last time; I can try to help you, or you can turn me away and keep acting like you're the victim. Your next reply will determine whether I lend you what aid I can, or rescind my offer and abandon you and this conversation both.

So, weigh your options. If you choose to stay miserable and hateful - I'll let these be my last words: Leave League of Legends, and find a game where you can be as hateful and vile as you like. Your toxicity isn't welcome here.

Elsewise, we'll see what you choose.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20171 votes

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Yes, there is a way back. By being honorable, humble, positive, and most of all patient. You may get honor locked, but it isn't indefinite - you can work your way back into good standing.

There are other ways to find catharsis than being a dick to your teammates and fucking yourself over in the long run. Like I said - I've dealt and still deal with anger issues, if you need or want advice, just ask.

Because if you do flame, you'll never get honor rewards? Again - if you want honor, but still let yourself be toxic, that's horrendously counterproductive. You're only screwing yourself over.

As I mentioned before, bans can happen out of either severity or frequency. So, I can only imagine one of two things happen:

You "fail" in one spectacular, explosive outburst that demands you get permabanned (unlikely)

You "fail" quite a number of times in succession, ultimately working your way up the punishment ladder quickly. (likely)

Like I mentioned, even I've displayed human failings in some matches, but clearly not to any degree that would demand punishment.

Again, you say Riot has done you wrong, but you state several times that you're toxic and unwilling to bother with change. Riot may be doing wrong by you, but for the community at large, they're doing right. You're the one doing wrong.

As for punishments and old players never speaking - read above.

As a semi-related note - anyone remember when Lucian was released? 'Cause I started playing around then. I imagine that was quite a few years ago.

If you "reform" and then somehow slip into toxicity, you didn't reform at all. You need to actually work at it, address your problems and work to resolve them in some way.

So, I offer you one last time; I can try to help you, or you can turn me away and keep acting like you're the victim. Your next reply will determine whether I lend you what aid I can, or rescind my offer and abandon you and this conversation both.

So, weigh your options. If you choose to stay miserable and hateful - I'll let these be my last words: Leave League of Legends, and find a game where you can be as hateful and vile as you like. Your toxicity isn't welcome here.

Elsewise, we'll see what you choose.

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U can help me, but the point is even if i reform on the 14day banned account, i dont have any chances left. Its not true that if somehow i slip into toxicity i failed to reform. Lets say that after a year of honor 6 i decide to say f u garbage support to someone in game. One, or twice, or three. The point is that next punishment is permaban. They won't give me another chance if i fail, even if i reform :)

And by the way, no. I stay here until rito lets me register.

ModPrandineDec 10, 20171 votes

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The only thing that keeps me from flaming on this account is lv 4 honor. I dont care, its riot that has to change. It stupid to permaban people for chat, permaban the chat, not the accounts :) I will get as many account banned as needed to fullfill my needs to insult the other person if i think they deserve.

Riot tried that once before and many people with that punishment just resorted to gameplay trolling instead. Riot Tantram even posted about this a few months ago:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

If Honor 4 really is the only thing that stops you from being a jerk then you should work to prove that you truly deserve to be at that level. Rather than have a "if I can't be happy then no one can" kind of mindset, the mindset that's causing you to follow the definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results), try having getting to Honor 4 and staying there be a motivator to try to improve your behavior instead. Otherwise just find a different game to play that has more lenient rules on poor behavior.

SynoxiaDec 10, 20171 votes

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Riot tried that once before and many people with that punishment just resorted to gameplay trolling instead. Riot Tantram even posted about this a few months ago:

If Honor 4 really is the only thing that stops you from being a jerk then you should work to prove that you truly deserve to be at that level. Rather than have a "if I can't be happy then no one can" kind of mindset, the mindset that's causing you to follow the definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results), try having getting to Honor 4 and staying there be a motivator to try to improve your behavior instead. Otherwise just find a different game to play that has more lenient rules on poor behavior.

There are already many feeders. Because inters do not get banned, negative players are.

i am moving to the mindset of inting. I can get mad that teammate without risking ban :)

ModPrandineDec 10, 20172 votes

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There are already many feeders. Because inters do not get banned, negative players are.

i am moving to the mindset of inting. I can get mad that teammate without risking ban :)

Compared to chat-related offenses they are harder to detect and prove intent, however that doesn't mean that they never get punished. Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don't believe me on this point here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

P.S. I would also suggest actually reading Umbral Regents comments as they're actually trying to help you out. Yes their replies to you are a bit lengthy but so are the posts of yours they're replying to.