We need actual game admins, not bots :)

Synoxia·12/11/2017, 7:43:17 AM·2 votes·845 views

I find it ridicolous that anyone isn't permablaming riot for this. With all the money that they make, they don't want to afford game admins, instead they put a stupid automatic system that bans you because you wrote triggered words.

The bot Doesn't care of seeing the whole game scenario and doesn't empathize. A real person would not full punish if you are counterflaming/someone else is inting. You can't treat the flame starter, and the person that's defending himself the same way.

And the system is completely bs, because now you know what? You can still flame people, just try not to tell them trigger words like kys, or flame using ascii's (i think bot is good enough to detect numbers but idk)

Innocent people can still be banned coz they say "kill myself, i am so bad" "i wanna die" "i suck" because bot doesn't care about context. The best example of this is someone that got banned for saying "dude your english gave me cancer" ...

I'd rather have to wait an ethernity to get people banned than this stupid istantfeedback report bot. With more Game Admins actually seeing the game inting people bans can become possible, and people would complain less about toxicity bans.

RIOT TURN OFF BAN BOT AND HIRE GAME ADMINS!

18 Comments

Umbral Regent12/11/2017, 8:09:41 AM10 votes

With all the money that they make, they don't want to afford game admins

Considering how poorly the Tribunal went - which consisted of the entire League of Legends community - I doubt they're going to hire a modest handful of Administrators to try to do something that already failed.

Also, you can't just throw money at a problem and make it go away.

instead they put a stupid automatic system that bans you because you wrote triggered words.

It doesn't work 100% off of trigger words. Yes, there are some scant few keywords that will automatically trigger a punishment if seen in review ("kys" and various forms of hate speech), but if I recall correctly, one of the Forum Mods mentioned that the IFS works off of a pretty thorough algorithm that allows it to detect speech patterns and the meanings behind them.

So, if you're flaming - I.E., aggravatedly throwing hate at a specific player, or at any non-specific player - the IFS'll pick up on it and punish you appropriately.

The bot Doesn't care of seeing the whole game scenario and doesn't empathize. A real person would not full punish if you are counterflaming/someone else is inting. You can't treat the flame starter, and the person that's defending himself the same way.

Back in the Tribunal, people were punished for flaming regardless of whether or not they started it, or if they were flaming someone who was trolling or feeding. Because, guess what? People dislike flamers just as much as trolls and feeders. Hence why the IFS punishes flamers regardless of circumstance.

Also, empathy and context don't matter. If you flamed "because someone was inting", you flamed. The only way you can "defend yourself" is by muting the person flaming you.


And the system is completely bs, because now you know what? You can still flame people, just try not to tell them trigger words like kys, or flame using ascii's (i think bot is good enough to detect numbers but idk)

Again, the above statement is false, as (if I'm not mistaken, Prandine? Don't quote me though - and, Prandine/whoever I'm actually quoting, if I'm misattributing quotes, feel free to point it out.) the IFS can detect speech patterns, and I'm pretty sure it can understand ASCII replacements. (If we're talking printable characters, of course.)

Innocent people can still be banned coz they say "kill myself, i am so bad" "i wanna die" "i suck" because bot doesn't care about context.

The first statement is false, and the second statement doesn't matter. Read above.

I'd rather have to wait an ethernity to get people banned than this stupid istantfeedback report bot.

I'm pretty sure you mean "I want my toxicity to go under the radar longer".

With more Game Admins actually seeing the game inting people bans can become possible, and people would complain less about toxicity bans.

No. Hypothetically, it is possible to increase the chance that intentional feeding can get caught through use of human review, but again: there is no way that can be accomplished efficiently. So, you actually effectively LOWER the chance that intentional feeders get caught by replacing the IFS with human Administrators.

Second - sure, we would like less people complaining about toxicity bans, but not in this way. I'd rather toxic players be here on the boards complaining about their justified bans than out playing League of Legends and ruining the game for everyone else.

General Esdeath 12/11/2017, 7:48:17 AM6 votes

What's wrong with a bot banning you for breaking the rules? Did you not read the ToS? And live people (AKA Tribunal) was a massive failure, with people being banned 2 months after being reported. They could still see full chat logs, guess what happened? They still banned people and claimed "You are responsible for your own words. If you don't like someone, mute them". This system is so much faster and better.

Please point me to whoever got banned for any of those lines...I'll wait.

Real life people would follow Riot's rules, and still ban you, resulting in your 14-day ban.

ModPeriscope12/11/2017, 7:56:21 AM5 votes

I mean, that's absurdly cost inefficient. Even if they hired someone to observe a game, there's bias, fatigue, and the fact that having an observer will still not prevent toxicity in games. Aside from that, they do go over games to ensure that either punishments were correctly placed or that no punishment was correctly not levied.

You can still flame people, just try not to tell them trigger words

You can still be punished without using kys or hate speech.

Taeseuk12/11/2017, 8:23:07 AM4 votes

I find it ridicolous that anyone isn't permablaming riot for this. With all the money that they make, they don't want to afford game admins, instead they put a stupid automatic system that bans you because you wrote triggered words.

They had this it was the tribunal system, it was too slow the current system bans for the same reasons the tribunal system just much quicker.

The bot Doesn't care of seeing the whole game scenario and doesn't empathize. A real person would not full punish if you are counterflaming/someone else is inting. You can't treat the flame starter, and the person that's defending himself the same way.

Yes they would, first of all they're under riots control and would ban for exactly the same reasons the bot does. Second it does not matter what the person does to you does not give you the right to flame them.

And the system is completely bs, because now you know what? You can still flame people, just try not to tell them trigger words like kys, or flame using ascii's (i think bot is good enough to detect numbers but idk)

The system is very good at finding toxicity in games, it also learns so that it can adapt to new ways of flaming once they have been reported for it.

Innocent people can still be banned coz they say "kill myself, i am so bad" "i wanna die" "i suck" because bot doesn't care about context.

These people are more than welcome to submit a support ticket and get their ban looked at if it's genuinely wrong riot will overturn it.

The best example of this is someone that got banned for saying "dude your english gave me cancer" ..

This was toxic so he wasn't innocent.

With more Game Admins actually seeing the game inting people bans can become possible, and people would complain less about toxicity bans.

While they might happen more often they still wouldn't be that frequent as inting isn't something that is so easily picked out.


All in all the bot is actually very useful and saves time, the only instance where a bot isn't the best option is when it comes to trolling.

Kei14312/11/2017, 3:33:27 PM2 votes

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A real person would not full punish if you are counterflaming/someone else is inting.

I'm a real person and during Tribunal days, I would click on "punish" for those that counter flame.

This Is Your Dad12/11/2017, 8:02:16 AM2 votes

The current system is still fine. If you are wrongfully banned by a bot, you may speak to a human about repealing your ban. They most likely won't because the ban would have been deserved either way.

Synoxia12/11/2017, 7:56:03 AM1 votes

Well by the answers to this poll i understand now why is trump president now xd

ExaggeratedToast12/11/2017, 2:28:59 PM1 votes

Have you read the Summoners code? specifically number 7?https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

you can break rules because someone else has broken rules first, you simple put yourself at his level and for that your have been punished. even if he gets punished as well, your punishment is still deserved.

no need to remove the bots, they seem to be working.

Lumiose912/11/2017, 7:45:24 AM1 votes

both are required. so i kinda agree. but dont remove ban bots [sg-zephyr]