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Is there anyway i can express my frustration w/o being toxic?

DivineGodKing··2 votes·2,570 views

Game 1 Pre-Game DivineGodKing: anyone want adc? DivineGodKing: i was autofilled here DivineGodKing: just for the record In-Game DivineGodKing: free gold plz DivineGodKing: my support is raka.. DivineGodKing: op strats DivineGodKing: plz bro DivineGodKing: cry more DivineGodKing: you clearly died at red there DivineGodKing: ? DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: stop bitching DivineGodKing: or i will afk DivineGodKing: he gonna keep crying this whole game DivineGodKing: thought i was muted DivineGodKing: guess not DivineGodKing: am i? DivineGodKing: ok DivineGodKing: i will DivineGodKing: report raka afk DivineGodKing: i got autofilled bot and my support left me solol DivineGodKing: but i;'m trolling DivineGodKing: k DivineGodKing: me also DivineGodKing: i was autofilled adc.. DivineGodKing: i'm not allowed to type? DivineGodKing: plz.. DivineGodKing: and your afk in a bush bro DivineGodKing: plz don't cry about me DivineGodKing: not sure who garen is talking too DivineGodKing: not stuck in gold.. DivineGodKing: why i'm fine DivineGodKing: you should have adced then DivineGodKing: i would have supported DivineGodKing: that loser mentality DivineGodKing: bro i was autofilled adc DivineGodKing: i offered it to you DivineGodKing: now you mad cuz i was forced to adc DivineGodKing: not jg? DivineGodKing: i hit the buff DivineGodKing: didn't i? DivineGodKing: so did i help him or not? DivineGodKing: gj getting drag DivineGodKing: to bad its still a 4v5 DivineGodKing: stay mid lux DivineGodKing: if i defend it raka leaves me to die DivineGodKing: they dont want too DivineGodKing: full ap nunu DivineGodKing: lol if we win this.. DivineGodKing: thanks lux DivineGodKing: for trying to save me Post-Game DivineGodKing: we still won.. DivineGodKing: how amusing DivineGodKing: sorry raka DivineGodKing: i know how much you wanted me to lose DivineGodKing: =( DivineGodKing: its ok raka i'll lose next time i'm autofilled adc Game 2 In-Game DivineGodKing: my fault DivineGodKing: if i notece we had no adc DivineGodKing: would have dodged DivineGodKing: noticed* DivineGodKing: give me some free kills too diana DivineGodKing: pinged him DivineGodKing: still stayed DivineGodKing: w.e DivineGodKing: i have 0 idea why you guys engaged that DivineGodKing: now you crying bout yi DivineGodKing: plz report irelia for the troll pick DivineGodKing: ggwp DivineGodKing: legit DivineGodKing: your maining irelia bot? DivineGodKing: why should i? DivineGodKing: your playing irelia bot lane DivineGodKing: about what? DivineGodKing: you playing ielia bot lane? DivineGodKing: i think i'm right about that.. DivineGodKing: who said it was bad? DivineGodKing: its a troll pick DivineGodKing: irelia is op overall DivineGodKing: yea irelia bot is trolling DivineGodKing: you could play her mid or top DivineGodKing: instead you pick adc DivineGodKing: and run her bot DivineGodKing: why do that? DivineGodKing: plz what? DivineGodKing: you trying to tell me ireila adc is better then irelia top or mid DivineGodKing: really? DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: irelia adc is now better then irelia mid or top DivineGodKing: tell rito DivineGodKing: cuz your scared to admit the truth DivineGodKing: just say it if you believe it DivineGodKing: say you beleve irela bot is better then her mid Post-Game DivineGodKing: oh so you can admit the truth DivineGodKing: you don't know DivineGodKing: you just run her bot DivineGodKing: for kicks DivineGodKing: cuz you can't solo lane i guess DivineGodKing: w.e DivineGodKing: good luck in the future DivineGodKing: no DivineGodKing: ? DivineGodKing: cuz it won't change the truth

I'm just gonna post the logs unedited,

  1. My question here is why are we not allowed to analyze the game in "post game chat"?

  2. If someone is trying "unconventional" strats, why am i not allowed to dodge the game without penalty?

  3. Is there a proper way to handle someone coming into champ select saying mid or feed (or some other variant of this) whats your recourse play the whole game and report them after?

  4. Is there a way to express my frustration without it being "toxic"

45 Comments

Chermorg5 votes
  1. Because you weren't analyzing the game, you were blaming. Giving advice, pointing out what could've gone better? Fine. Blaming and flaming? No.

  2. Because there is no enforced meta.

  3. Yes - give them mid, or don't. If they feed in game, report them.

  4. You're allowed to express frustration.. but not by flaming or blaming others.

DivineGodKing1 votes

I'm not sure what you mean i was "blaming" i'm only posting my own logs so i would like some feedback. Where exactly do you seem me "blaming" another player for anything? I didn't blame Irelia for us losing we were just talking about whether Irelia bot was better then mid or top. Same thing with my game with Soraka. I guess my question here is what do you seem in my logs that you describe as "blaming"?

Chermorg2 votes

You didn't just ask "hey, is irelia better top, bot, or mid", you said she was trolling, you cried for reports on them, and you harassed them the entire game.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Do you mind not using vague words like "harassed", some of my logs weren't even to Irelia.

DivineGodKing: you could play her mid or top - Is this Harassment? DivineGodKing: instead you pick adc DivineGodKing: and run her bot DivineGodKing: why do that?- Is this Harassment? DivineGodKing: plz what? DivineGodKing: you trying to tell me ireila adc is better then irelia top or mid DivineGodKing: really?- Is this Harassment? DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: irelia adc is now better then irelia mid or top DivineGodKing: tell rito DivineGodKing: cuz your scared to admit the truth DivineGodKing: just say it if you believe it DivineGodKing: say you beleve irela bot is better then her mid -Is this Harassment?

Thats the extent of my comments to her in the whole game

Post-Game DivineGodKing: oh so you can admit the truth DivineGodKing: you don't know DivineGodKing: you just run her bot DivineGodKing: for kicks DivineGodKing: cuz you can't solo lane i guess DivineGodKing: w.e DivineGodKing: good luck in the future DivineGodKing: no DivineGodKing: ? DivineGodKing: cuz it won't change the truth

Where do you see me "Harassing"her where do you see me "blaming her"?

What did i "blame her for"?

Chermorg2 votes

I don't think harass is a vague word:

Wikipedia:

It is commonly understood as behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive.

Merriam Webster:

b (1) : to annoy persistently (2) :** to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct**

I think harass definitely describes your behavior - you consistently pressured her, flamed her for her champion selection, and were all around just blaming her for the loss. You trying to hide it behind memes or jokes does not make it okay.

DivineGodKing1 votes

I still am confused by this consistent portion of your claim. I'm also not trying to say i'm innocent and honestly i didn't blame her for the loss, i don't believe it was her fault. Me and her had a conversation she told me to check her match history and i asked her if she thought Irelia was better bot, than mid or top. Honestly i'm more shocked that this is the portion being analyzed so much i'm sure we've all been in this position and i don't believe what i said to Irelia met the level of 1-to annoy persistently or 2-to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct.

Here is how i understand the term "flaming"

flaming

  1. To engage in an online argument usually involving **unfounded personal attacks by one or more parties. ** I made no personal attacks, all of my comments where about whether or not Irelia is good bot lane.

When I say the term harrasse is vague what I'm saying is your responses are all just blame.

You claim I blamed her for the loss- please show me the example in my posts.

You claim i flamed her please show me the example from my post.

You claim u harrassed her and then defined it, but still no example.

I'm trying to figure out where I crossed the line and your responses are vague.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Just a question regarding

2.Because there is no enforced meta.

How does that make sense? Que literally requires you to pick 2 of 5 roles you have even broken down Picks by roles in Champ select. How can you then say there is no Meta?

Chermorg2 votes

Because you are not required to play a champion in their "designated" role. There is no rule that says they can't play whatever they want.

There is enforced role comp of the team in draft pick, but not champions. Champions can be played in any role.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Just to be clear here, your saying i can play any champion as ADC? But that i'm required to take them "bot".

For example: I get assigned bot pick caitlyn and then in game i Run her mid and refuse to go bot lane.. is that against any rules??

Chermorg2 votes

Yes, that example is against the rules. You refused to play your assigned role.

You must play your assigned role: Top, Jungle, Mid, Bot, Support. You are not limited in champion selection, spell selection, damage type, build path, or any other way.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Thanks that is clear. Now if someone is doing this would it be acceptable to ask the other team to report also? Or is this also not advisable?

Chermorg5 votes

No, it is not appropriate to "call for reports" on someone, as it's unnecessary at best, and at worst it constitutes harassment and verbal abuse.

DivineGodKing1 votes

I dont understand how calling for reports constitutes as harassment or verbal abuse. To be honest, that's just my opinion and its seems what your expressing is a sliding scale of your opinion. I've seen "verbal abuse" while playing league and someone asking me to report for an afk or a troll personally does not rise in any instance to either of those terms. But I'm not asking for opinions a more concise question would he does riot considers asking for reports as inappropriate or against the summons code?

Chermorg2 votes

Well, it's basically flaming, but even if it doesn't delve to flaming it's just bullying.

And given that it is harassment and verbal abuse, regardless of if you accept that, and both of those are against the Summoner's Code.

DivineGodKing1 votes

You seem to have a different definition of flaming then I do, can i please see this definition. Once more flaming to me is "personal attacks" to me it sounds like you believe flaming is saying something others dont like to hear whether true or not.

That to me is not the definition of flaming or bullying.

Also are you saying to me now that - anyone asking for reports is flaming [however you define it] and harassing others and is therefore reportable?

Is this correct?

I just want to make sure I'm getting a clear understanding of whether or not you believe asking for reports is against the summoner code or that this is situational.

To me I understand you to be saying that it is reportable because it falls under your or riots definition of "flaming".

Chermorg1 votes

You were personally attacking them though:

In-Game

DivineGodKing: plz bro DivineGodKing: cry more DivineGodKing: you clearly died at red there

DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: stop bitching DivineGodKing: or i will afk

DivineGodKing: he gonna keep crying this whole game DivineGodKing: thought i was muted DivineGodKing: guess not DivineGodKing: am i?

DivineGodKing: report raka afk DivineGodKing: i got autofilled bot and my support left me solol

DivineGodKing: and your afk in a bush bro DivineGodKing: plz don't cry about me

DivineGodKing: not sure who garen is talking too DivineGodKing: not stuck in gold..

DivineGodKing: that loser mentality

DivineGodKing: to bad its still a 4v5

DivineGodKing: if i defend it raka leaves me to die

DivineGodKing: lol if we win this..

DivineGodKing: sorry raka DivineGodKing: i know how much you wanted me to lose

DivineGodKing: its ok raka i'll lose next time i'm autofilled adc

DivineGodKing: if i notece we had no adc DivineGodKing: would have dodged DivineGodKing: noticed*

DivineGodKing: i have 0 idea why you guys engaged that DivineGodKing: now you crying bout yi DivineGodKing: plz report irelia for the troll pick

DivineGodKing: legit DivineGodKing: your maining irelia bot?

DivineGodKing: why should i? DivineGodKing: your playing irelia bot lane

DivineGodKing: about what? DivineGodKing: you playing ielia bot lane?

DivineGodKing: i think i'm right about that.. DivineGodKing: who said it was bad? DivineGodKing: its a troll pick

DivineGodKing: yea irelia bot is trolling

DivineGodKing: tell rito DivineGodKing: cuz your scared to admit the truth DivineGodKing: just say it if you believe it DivineGodKing: say you beleve irela bot is better then her mid

DivineGodKing: oh so you can admit the truth DivineGodKing: you don't know DivineGodKing: you just run her bot DivineGodKing: for kicks DivineGodKing: cuz you can't solo lane i guess

Literally all of this is you personally attacking your teammates - especially the bolded lines.

DivineGodKing1 votes

That's not a "personal attack" none of what you highlighted is.

Let's just a get a clear definition here.

Noun. personal attack (plural personal attacks) Making of an abusive remark on or relating to somebody's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments.

A very clear example of that is "any form of name calling". None of what you highlighted is a personal attack. For example if one of my teammates is afk in a Bush and I let the enemy team or my team know hey they are afk in the Bush that's not a personal attack.

Chermorg1 votes

Yes it is. It says any form of name calling. Not just "if it's a lie". Even telling the truth can be namecalling. Good examples are calling people "fat" or "idiot".

You were flaming them - you were attacking them for their champion selection - you weren't attacking the game and saying "wow irelia is busted", you were saying "you're an idiot for picking this and it's your fault we lost". Even if you didn't use those words, your intent was obvious.

Using nice words doesn't make it not flaming. Don't try and skirt the line next time - just don't be a jerk and blame/flame to begin with.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Sorry but I dont think it's fair to try to determine "intent" based on text. It seems to me that's what your saying here. And your still trying to make this about my personal actions. I've been playing league for a long time and I believe its competitive and fun, but there are also a lot of toxic people who do personally attack and "flame others" it seems to me like your saying even if I dont use any form of name calling if people feel my intent is negative I deserve to be punished.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Can you give me an example where explaining what happened truthfully can be considered name calling?

DivineGodKing1 votes

Also the part you quoted is not part of the definition. It says "any form of name calling" that part "any form of name calling" was written by me as an example it's not part of the definition of "personal attacks" by definition none of what you highlighted is a personal attack. Critziing people's actions are choices are not considered "personal attacks".

1989, Douglas N. Walton, Informal Logic‎[1]: Basically, it is a personal attack on an arguer that brings the individuals's personal circumstances, trustworthiness, or character into question.

I'm sure you would agree

-I Did not at any point do this.

DivineGodKing1 votes

My question here is adding "please report" cross it into the line the territory of how riot defines flaming? Would it be ok if I just said Raka is currently afk in the fountain or afk in the bush. As long I dont add the please report part?

Kei1431 votes

There isn't a need to ask for reports. 1 report is all is needed for the system to review the game for negative behavior. Multiple reports within the same game are treated the same as 1 report. The system is purposely programmed that way to prevent abuse from premades against a solo guy.

Your intent with asking for reports is basically to get their account punished, and because of the nature of how you are using it as a threat, it is considered a harassment tool.

That said. If you know multiple reports don't do anything extra, then there isn't any reason to ask for extra reports.

DivineGodKing1 votes

But isn't that the point of a report? Most people dont do a lot of stuff in the game because they will get reported.

An example to me would be telling someone your're calling the police.

But personally I learned about asking about reports from playing league, until this thread I've never heard it's considered "harassment".

MYSTlCFLOW1 votes

well Divine you see, it only takes one report. so asking others to report is harassment.. because you already know you're going to report. why would you need 2+?

Kei1432 votes

What chermog is referring to is Off-META champs in unconventional positions.

Support zed is certainly non-traditional but not against the rules. The same can be said for a support champ (like soraka) in top or mid lane to funnel gold into the jgler.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Ok but how am i supposed to know the difference between that and actual trolling? If someone runs teemo support with a 20% win rate amd a 1.0 KDA at what point does that cross over into actual trolling?

DrCyanide4 votes

It crosses the line when their intent isn't to win. Just like someone can have 20% w/r and 1.0 KDA on Teemo support someone can have a 20% w/r and 1.0 KDA on Tyndamere top. It doesn't make either pick a troll. It either means that they're unlucky (5 games played, other factors outweighed them in the result) or they're bad.

You have to look beyond KDA and Win Rate, look at what they're trying to do in game.

DivineGodKing1 votes

Here I guess is a better question. Is there any examples of a "troll pick" in your opinion?

Kei1433 votes

No.

Trolling the the act of purposely losing, and not related to champion pick.

DrCyanide1 votes

Not really.

I've had a Shaco Support that expertly countered a Zed roam by placing a box for me to stand on. Zed ults in on me, then is instantly feared, almost killed him as a result.

Years ago I lost hard to a Pantheon + Xin Zhao bot lane. The CC chain was unreal.

I had a game where our team's Lulu jungle was the only one keeping us in the game.

I'm willing to give just about anyone the benefit of the doubt. There's lots of people who love a certain champion, and love trying to make them work in new ways. It would be selling the community short to assume something couldn't work from the start.

MYSTlCFLOW1 votes

singed smite bot. nunu smite bot.. both had above 50% winrate and were plat-diamond+ yet got banned by riot manually because team mates didn't like it

DrCyanide1 votes

That situation was an extreme mess, no doubt. Riot's side was "communicate what you're doing with your teammates a little better so fewer people are frustrated". Riot did unban them early for what that's worth.

IcyPepper1 votes

There is a meta, but you can't enforce it is what I believe he is saying.

If you want to go Sona midlane, you are welcome to give it a shot. There are recommendations when going off meta though (experiment in normals, only bring your A-game to ranked; make sure it doesn't require your team to bend over backwards to adjust to; don't do it just to piss off your teammates).

HalcyonDweller3 votes

I feel your pain mate, it sucks to get toxic teammates and then have to try to keep your cool. I wrote a bit about it a while back, this might help you out, check it out if you're interested:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Also, here's something I wrote about more recently that's not in that post, verb tense.

Verb tense affects how people perceive what you say, even when both you and they are not aware of the difference it makes. It's subconscious.

Past tense is used to attribute credit/blame for things which already happened. Thus it is safest to never use past tense to talk about something someone did wrong. Made this mistake with a friend of mine recently and oh boy did it go badly. Trust me, don't use past tense unless you plan on giving credit for something good that happened. otherwise you're just begging for people to become combative with you.

Present tense is for talking about values. This can be seen when people say "unlucky" when their ally dies. It's helpful to use to align people to your values, by showing sympathy for their perspective you can sometimes set them up to be more receptive to advice you give right afterwards.

Future tense is where the magic happens. If you can keep talking about what to do next time and talk about how it will work rather than talk about how they should have avoided X, then you will keep them oriented on the goal of playing better, and they will not subconsciously feel the need to stop and argue with you about if it really was their fault or not.

DivineGodKing2 votes

Thanks man, I do believe this might prove very helpful. I understand how people in league can feel attacked sometimes since it happens so often. But sometimes you just want to analyze the game with people you just played with (since they are the only one who will understand unless someone is spectating) I don't believe this kind of anaylisis is bad but it seems that no matter my actual intent or even my words if it is deemed to be coming from a "negative place" I deserve to be punished. If something as simple as tense will help I will try it.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Best of luck!

ModPrandine2 votes

If you must rage then do so at the screen or into a pillow or something instead of in the chat. Doing this allows you to vent your frustrations without compromising your teams chances of success.

Totalwanabe2 votes

yes there's a way it's called log out and do something else.

Dragfin1 votes

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Game 1 Pre-Game DivineGodKing: anyone want adc? DivineGodKing: i was autofilled here DivineGodKing: just for the record In-Game DivineGodKing: free gold plz DivineGodKing: my support is raka.. DivineGodKing: op strats DivineGodKing: plz bro DivineGodKing: cry more DivineGodKing: you clearly died at red there DivineGodKing: ? DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: stop bitching DivineGodKing: or i will afk DivineGodKing: he gonna keep crying this whole game DivineGodKing: thought i was muted DivineGodKing: guess not DivineGodKing: am i? DivineGodKing: ok DivineGodKing: i will DivineGodKing: report raka afk DivineGodKing: i got autofilled bot and my support left me solol DivineGodKing: but i;'m trolling DivineGodKing: k DivineGodKing: me also DivineGodKing: i was autofilled adc.. DivineGodKing: i'm not allowed to type? DivineGodKing: plz.. DivineGodKing: and your afk in a bush bro DivineGodKing: plz don't cry about me DivineGodKing: not sure who garen is talking too DivineGodKing: not stuck in gold.. DivineGodKing: why i'm fine DivineGodKing: you should have adced then DivineGodKing: i would have supported DivineGodKing: that loser mentality DivineGodKing: bro i was autofilled adc DivineGodKing: i offered it to you DivineGodKing: now you mad cuz i was forced to adc DivineGodKing: not jg? DivineGodKing: i hit the buff DivineGodKing: didn't i? DivineGodKing: so did i help him or not? DivineGodKing: gj getting drag DivineGodKing: to bad its still a 4v5 DivineGodKing: stay mid lux DivineGodKing: if i defend it raka leaves me to die DivineGodKing: they dont want too DivineGodKing: full ap nunu DivineGodKing: lol if we win this.. DivineGodKing: thanks lux DivineGodKing: for trying to save me Post-Game DivineGodKing: we still won.. DivineGodKing: how amusing DivineGodKing: sorry raka DivineGodKing: i know how much you wanted me to lose DivineGodKing: =( DivineGodKing: its ok raka i'll lose next time i'm autofilled adc Game 2 In-Game DivineGodKing: my fault DivineGodKing: if i notece we had no adc DivineGodKing: would have dodged DivineGodKing: noticed* DivineGodKing: give me some free kills too diana DivineGodKing: pinged him DivineGodKing: still stayed DivineGodKing: w.e DivineGodKing: i have 0 idea why you guys engaged that DivineGodKing: now you crying bout yi DivineGodKing: plz report irelia for the troll pick DivineGodKing: ggwp DivineGodKing: legit DivineGodKing: your maining irelia bot? DivineGodKing: why should i? DivineGodKing: your playing irelia bot lane DivineGodKing: about what? DivineGodKing: you playing ielia bot lane? DivineGodKing: i think i'm right about that.. DivineGodKing: who said it was bad? DivineGodKing: its a troll pick DivineGodKing: irelia is op overall DivineGodKing: yea irelia bot is trolling DivineGodKing: you could play her mid or top DivineGodKing: instead you pick adc DivineGodKing: and run her bot DivineGodKing: why do that? DivineGodKing: plz what? DivineGodKing: you trying to tell me ireila adc is better then irelia top or mid DivineGodKing: really? DivineGodKing: plz DivineGodKing: irelia adc is now better then irelia mid or top DivineGodKing: tell rito DivineGodKing: cuz your scared to admit the truth DivineGodKing: just say it if you believe it DivineGodKing: say you beleve irela bot is better then her mid Post-Game DivineGodKing: oh so you can admit the truth DivineGodKing: you don't know DivineGodKing: you just run her bot DivineGodKing: for kicks DivineGodKing: cuz you can't solo lane i guess DivineGodKing: w.e DivineGodKing: good luck in the future DivineGodKing: no DivineGodKing: ? DivineGodKing: cuz it won't change the truth

I'm just gonna post the logs unedited,

  1. My question here is why are we not allowed to analyze the game in "post game chat"?

  2. If someone is trying "unconventional" strats, why am i not allowed to dodge the game without penalty?

  3. Is there a proper way to handle someone coming into champ select saying mid or feed (or some other variant of this) whats your recourse play the whole game and report them after?

  4. Is there a way to express my frustration without it being "toxic"

Nope, RIOT says frustration is not allowed yet they do everything in their power to increase it with this bullshit system.

Silent Gravity1 votes

Just like any other frustrating thing you may encounter in life, one of the best things to do is to find someone to talk with. Someone who loves and values you will certainly take the time to listen.

If you go to a wise person, they may be able to help you learn how to interact with your emotions.

If you go to a smart person, they may be able to find a solution to the things that frustrate you.

RookPusher1 votes

I'm not going to read all that, but the way to vent frustration to the team causing it without getting banned requires a few thigns:

A. It needs to be constructive. Telling someone they suck is bannable. Telling them to stop chasing in the jungle isn't. B. It needs to have poetic flourish. You can't say "stop fucking around in the jungle." You should say something like "If people stopped having a picnic at the Red Buff we might not be getting dumpstered." Picnic in the jungle is my favorite phrase. C. Be a shot gun, not a sniper rifle. Talk generally. You're fucking ridiculous = bad. This is fucking ridiculous = less bad.

I also like to say things such as

you need to look at the map twice as much as you are right now We need towers not kills, group mid Dragon is not the priority right now, we need towers Join the Nintendo Fun Club today, Mac! Towers are more important than your IRL children Keep one eye on baron Stop Typing

DivineGodKing1 votes

I've tried this in the past, I was once reported for asking a team member to "rotate" or "cover a lane". Honestly at this point they're even adding my pre-game and after game chat logs where me and a teammate will analyze the game and call it "toxic". Not trying to say i'm a saint here i'm not, i'm just trying to find the line so i don't cross it with others.

Kei1431 votes

Is there anyway i can express my frustration w/o being toxic?

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VeganScout1 votes

You can insult him to vent off.

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