Supposedly these deaths were the reasoning behind Hashinshin's 14 day suspension. I admit these were clear bad plays by him, but were any of these justifiably intentional? Maybe I'm the crazy one but it seems to me like maybe someone just saw the score and the report and said "Yeah that's an int game".
Anyone have an explanation for me??
Namîste8 votesThe point that I see is that he was constantly 2+ levels down and he's TPing in right to her and not respecting a fed lane opponent and not even playing safe. To me that is intentionally feeding. He's playing like a complete idiot.
TPing into 2-3 opponents and just not caring if he dies.
TPing to a lost tower that is 1-2 hits away from going down?
That's inting. He's a high elo...he should know better then that...even a low elo play would have more respect for a 10/0 Riven or any fed champion.
KitaruArashi2 votesI mean he should, but Hashinshin has never been the greatest player in the world. He's got a reputation for being reckless
TrikzterzArma7 votes15 Deaths in 21 minutes is inting.
KitaruArashi4 votesLast I checked, being bad at the game for one game on a champion you've never played against a challenger one-trick isn't inting
Stracony1 votesThis
Oleandervine6 votesWell, he's being intentionally reckless and stupid with how he's playing champion and build he's never used before ... in ranked no less... so at some point, he's got to take some responsibility for his idiot decisions and inability to play safe. I mean, looking at his deaths, he wasn't poking her at all, he was marching right up into her face and then dying immediately. He knows top lane. It's his main lane. Being Diamond, he knows how to play against Riven. He knows her swing range with her mobility, yet he consistently placed himself in her danger range with a squishy mage. Plus, his first death solo against her was due to him having his shop open for some reason while he was walking into a top side bush. Overall, this game is riddled with idiot plays and his bloodthirsty march straight for Riven every time he sees her. I don't think he was trying to play this game, and a lot of his behavior constitutes what I'd call feeding and inting.
Plus, he also called Riven "retard proof broken" in all chat. That language alone is enough to have a valid report filed against him, especially for someone as high profile and notorious for being a whiny manchild in the League community.
KitaruArashi2 votesYeah but that would be Verbal Abuse not Inting. I could see the guy getting chat restricted for that and several other games, but banned for inting? i dunno, it seems wrong
Oleandervine1 votesYeah but that would be Verbal Abuse not Inting. I could see the guy getting chat restricted for that and several other games, but banned for inting? i dunno, it seems wrong
And how do we know he was banned for inting though? Because he told us he was? I mean, unless we see the actual image of the "You've been banned!" screen, are we really going to take his word for it?
Iota Theta1 votesAnd how do we know he was banned for inting though? Because he told us he was? I mean, unless we see the actual image of the "You've been banned!" screen, are we really going to take his word for it?
If I remember correctly from the piece I saw, it was during his stream and it popped up on his display and the viewers could see it. By the comments it seemed like it was right after his Cho’gath match (comments avout amount of health and 1k true damage) Did say intentionally feeding.
Jolteon405 voteshow come he didnt upgrade the hex core?
DrCyanide1 votesI know, right?
There's this enemy champion that ignores slows because she's got so many dashes, and instead of rushing the core item that gives him movement speed on Q so he can get away from her he rushes Iceborn Gauntlet?
I get 
, but after that he really needed the movement speed to stand a chance.
Jolteon401 votesdoes Iceborn Gauntlet even work for viktor?
DrCyanide1 votesYes, his Q is basically built for sheen items because it's a spell first that gives you an empowered auto afterwards, so you use both auto attack modifiers in the same follow up auto attack. Decently low cooldown too. And since nothing stops Iceborn Gauntlet from working on ranged champions, it's a fine choice in general. As I understand it, the Viktor Top relies on it to harass most tops, keeping them from closing the gap or from getting away.
The problem is that when Riven chooses to engage on you, a champion without dashes, she doesn't walk - she dashes. That makes your slows entirely pointless. So rather than prioritize even more ineffective CC with a little bit of damage, getting some movement speed to kite her makes more sense - which is a compelling reason to get the Q upgrade earlier.
Jolteon401 voteswill celerity or/and taste of blood work for him to survive longer?
DrCyanide1 votesNo idea, I basically haven't played this season.
SonicAF1 votesYes, his Q is basically built for sheen items because it's a spell first that gives you an empowered auto afterwards, so you use both auto attack modifiers in the same follow up auto attack. Decently low cooldown too. And since nothing stops Iceborn Gauntlet from working on ranged champions, it's a fine choice in general. As I understand it, the Viktor Top relies on it to harass most tops, keeping them from closing the gap or from getting away.
The problem is that when Riven chooses to engage on you, a champion without dashes, she doesn't walk - she dashes. That makes your slows entirely pointless. So rather than prioritize even more ineffective CC with a little bit of damage, getting some movement speed to kite her makes more sense - which is a compelling reason to get the Q upgrade earlier.
I had very bad time against AD assassins as Viktor. Iceborn+tabi+hourglass prevents you from getting oneshotted. Q hex core doesn't. It's not about slows.
This is also not the first time I see a pro player getting demolished on Viktor, the other being russian master tier streamer who went for AP per level runes and got demolished. The champion is clunky and takes quite a bit of time to grasp.
DrCyanide1 votesWe're not talking about a matchup vs an AD Assassin (who instantly close the gap on you), we're talking about a matchup vs Riven. Being able to maintain your distance is what keeps you alive against her. Slows do not help you maintain your distance, as she just uses her dashes to close the gap. Movement speed does help you maintain your distance.
Like I said, some armor at first was understandable. But he reach a point where you're way too far behind on gold to survive by just buying armor, and he delayed 
to get a 
for 
when a 
would have been more effective against the Riven. A 19 minute 
? A 23 minute 
? A 25 minute 
? No part of that build makes sense at the time he's doing it.
At some point you have to expect a Diamond level Top Main to know the basics of going against Riven better than a Silver or Gold level player.
Ice Weasel X1 votesThis is also not the first time I see a pro player getting demolished on Viktor, the other being russian master tier streamer who went for AP per level runes and got demolished. The champion is clunky and takes quite a bit of time to grasp.
This is an odd comparison. AP per level runes means your example is from at least a year ago. Viktor has been buffed in multiple patches this season alone. Was the player you're referring to also new to Viktor and playing him in a ranked game without learning how to use him first? Unless I'm mistaken, Hashinshin also isn't a pro player. He's a professional streamer.
SonicAF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZygnzEE,comment-id=000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-10-24T17:26:10.672+0000)
This is an odd comparison. AP per level runes means your example is from at least a year ago. Viktor has been buffed in multiple patches this season alone. Was the player you're referring to also new to Viktor and playing him in a ranked game without learning how to use him first? Unless I'm mistaken, Hashinshin also isn't a pro player. He's a professional streamer.
Yes, he firsttimed it, but he was sure he can do it for the memes - massive AP by lvl 18. As you can guess, it didn't work out.
As for "pro player", yes, that one is also just a professional streamer. He was later banned for toxicity, which he found unfair - not because he didn't deserve it, but because his reform card consisted out of fairly lenient games in comparison to what he is.
Who Fed Ru3 votesThe explanation is that Riots automated int detect system is broken.
But damn 18 deaths.
Thing is he didn't literally int but kind of soft inted. But idk why the system picked it up while I've encountered people who ran it down and weren't banned.
Jo0o3 votesI’m a silver 1 toplaner, and I can’t fathom playing that badly. The first few deaths were bad luck and cheese, sure. But eventually he’s just picking awful fights again and again. For somebody closer to my elo, I’d call it inexperience or tilt. But Hash should %100 know better.
Though to be clear, I watched the clip sound off.
ez mental boom3 votesA diamond---maybe master---player will never unintentionally go 0/19
sleepysithlord2 votesI mean he is facing a challenger riven player when he is D3 and first timing viktor. Your gonna have a bad time.
However, I'm sure he gets reported for inting all the time for all the rage splitting he does. So yea this game wasn't intentional but it was probably the icing on the cake. Like Adrian was going to win that game against 100% no matter who the D3 top laner was he went against. He's straight smurfing
ModPeriscope1 votes...Did anyone bother watching any other game of his? It just says game 1, but idk if we know it's that one for sure.
KitaruArashi1 votesThis was the game that riot cited as cementing the ban.
ModPeriscope1 votesThis was the game that riot cited as cementing the ban.
So did he say that, cuz we wouldn’t know otherwise.
Iota Theta1 votesSo did he say that, cuz we wouldn’t know otherwise.
He figured it was the Viktor one, but didn’t open to see which game was actually listed as game 1.
Vreivai1 votesMy guess is that the system automatically bans if you exceed X deaths per minute. Can't say for sure, though, because there is no public knowledge about how the system detects inting.