Stop Forcing Supp Roles

SpecToutBlad·Jun 23, 2017·4 votes·851 views

I completely believe everyone should know every role - especially support. But you guys need to stop trying to force it. When people queue for dps roles, that means they wanna play dps. Forcing support roles encourages: trolling, tilting due to discouragement of not wanting the role, people that don't know how to support properly, support picks like Vayne, etc.

I have played this game for 7 years and I just want to be heard. There are people willing to play support out there. Myself included. Just to shorten queue times. Video games are for fun. No one is gonna have fun playing a game where they don't get to choose how they play it without messing up the experience for their team. I personally would prefer to wait longer as long as it meant playing my selected roles.

PS: Queue timers are garbage. No one should have to be punished for avoided what could be an obvious loss/waste of time.

20 Comments

MartensiticJun 23, 20174 votes

Forcing support roles encourages: trolling, tilting due to discouragement of not wanting the role, people that don't know how to support properly, support picks like Vayne, etc.

And not forcing supp roles forces average wait times of 30minutes and more...mind you, that's just to get into a pregame...if then someone leaves champ select, you wait again.

And just FYI my friend: Not so long ago, there was no role-chosing at all! You were put into a pregame screen, in a random QUEUE POSITION (not role, queue position). Whoever was first pick could pick whatever role he wanted, then 2nd pick, then 3rd...if you were unlucky and had 4th or 5th pick, you had to take what was left.

So stop QQing. You have it AMAZINGLY better than we did.

Has No TeamJun 23, 20172 votes

I honestly would not mind waiting ten minutes for a match if it meant i'd get one of my two roles. I believe taking a willing participant in the game and forcing them to a role outside what they queue'd for just makes them an unwilling and negative minded player right from champ select. It impacts a LOT of players especially in low elo and makes the botlane lose most times. You cannot just throw someone in support. If they don't know the role this screws two people on the team. The AD most times expects their support to know where and when to ward. Hell supports even know most match ups and what to be looking for. Filled players don't and make the lane hard for no reason.

archerno1Jun 23, 20172 votes

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I honestly would not mind waiting ten minutes for a match if it meant i'd get one of my two roles. I believe taking a willing participant in the game and forcing them to a role outside what they queue'd for just makes them an unwilling and negative minded player right from champ select. It impacts a LOT of players especially in low elo and makes the botlane lose most times. You cannot just throw someone in support. If they don't know the role this screws two people on the team. The AD most times expects their support to know where and when to ward. Hell supports even know most match ups and what to be looking for. Filled players don't and make the lane hard for no reason.

Everyone says they wouldnt mind 10 mins, but what about 45? 1h?

Has No TeamJun 23, 20171 votes

I'm still with it. There's no reason someone who doesn't know how to jungle gets filled... if not enough players want to play the role maybe you need a bigger overhaul of the roles stopping us from being able to reliably get our chosen roles though.

Edit: SUpport and jungle are two pretty vital roles to other members of the team and I get filled to them all the time... Overhaul the roles.

MartensiticJun 23, 20173 votes

I'm still with it.

I don't believe you. Plain and simple.

If you had to wait 30-45min for ONE CHAMP SELECT (which doesn't necesarily result in a game, mind you), you would likely quit the game.

TulareJun 23, 20171 votes

You can't just overhaul the roles, though. There's literally nothing stopping two players from picking marksmen and both of them going bot lane right now. Nobody does it because it's a bad idea. Support emerges from there being five players but only four reliable income streams. Unless you change that, which would be a huge, drastic change, there will always be a role defined by how well it can thrive with minimal income.

hshtagniemehrcduJun 23, 20171 votes

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You can't just overhaul the roles, though. There's literally nothing stopping two players from picking marksmen and both of them going bot lane right now. Nobody does it because it's a bad idea. Support emerges from there being five players but only four reliable income streams. Unless you change that, which would be a huge, drastic change, there will always be a role defined by how well it can thrive with minimal income.

Nothing stopping you...? Go ahead, try it. You will see whats gonna stop you...

EndlessSorcererJun 23, 20171 votes

Clearly you have forgetten the existence of MF "Support".

hshtagniemehrcduJun 23, 20171 votes

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Clearly you have forgetten the existence of MF "Support".

Clearly you have never played a non-meta support.. something that didn't get "legalized" by the pro scene.

TulareJun 23, 20172 votes

Okay, that's fair. The other players will stop you. I acknowledge I was using hyperbole. The point I was trying to make is that "support" isn't something that exists because Riot arbitrarily says it should exist. It just emerges from the structure of the game: three lanes of minions and a jungle. The fifth player has to go somewhere and it's been found time and again that it's best for the team if that player doesn't scoop income from one of the other players. This cannot be changed by changing champion kits or support itemization. Make support items too good and laners will buy them, obviating their benefits; make support items too bad and "the meta" will insist that supports just play with bad items; change champion kits and different champions will be found that can adequately manage with low income.

If you want that to change, you have to address the income issue. They've introduced a support-specific income stream in the form of the Coin/Edge/Shield items. That part's not too shabby, IMO. The part I don't like is how support seems to have become defined as the "carrier of active items", in much the same way that it used to be the "carrier of aura items". I can see, however, that it's one stable solution to the bigger problem. It provides items with a fixed, above average power level for champs that don't scale - while leaving scaling items as the superior choice for champs with more income. It's not a solution that I like but I don't have anything better to suggest, so I live with it.

(This is coming from a bot/support main, by the way. I play a lot more marksmen this season than I used to but I have about twice the mastery with Janna and Morgana than I do with any other champs.)

EndlessSorcererJun 23, 20172 votes

Did it before (on many occasions) when queuing for teambuilder.

I'd just tab out and watch videos during the wait.

King of DemonsJun 23, 20174 votes

Not everybody has the time for that though

I wouldn't trade my 5 min queue on bad days against a 30 minute queue on average

Those 25 minutes could have been a whole new game

archerno1Jun 23, 20173 votes

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Did it before (on many occasions) when queuing for teambuilder.

I'd just tab out and watch videos during the wait.

Ye but what about people who maybe have 1 hour to play?

blackid101Jun 23, 20171 votes

auto filled supports honestly make it so hard to win lane....

DamagefoxJun 23, 20172 votes

The Que times WOULD be shorter if more people -wanted- to play support. But why DONT people want to play support? The reason is simple. They are treated like shit. Just an abuseable Lane-slave you can abuse and degrade, talk down to, verbally demean for not doing or building what you want. Then if your support does a good job and gets you fed, but you need someone to blame, you can use their kda, the deaths they sacrificed to GET YOU THOSE KILLS, and turn around and tell the slave....sorry...SUPPORT...How useless they are. How they did nothing for the team all game. How they didnt take down any towers, it was all you. How they didnt help you get any kills, all you again. and how All they did was Be complete trash and feed the enemy..

If Riot wants to know why no one WANTS to play support. Its simple, the rest of the DPS and KILL-FOCUSED roles are too busy patting themselves on the back and congradulating each other on how OP they are to care about the support who keeps them alive, or the jungle who provides the neccecary ganks to get the enemy's boot off your neck. But its not like they matter, they are just used as a scapegoat, someone you can blame when you want to say "I played perfect, we lost because of useless/trash/garbage Support/Jungle"

THATS why no one wants to play support. and this is coming from someone who has played support sinse season 3. So I am already numb to the insults. If you throw your support under the bus, or toss them to the enemy because its convenient for you, Dont ask why they dont bust their ass to save YOUR ASS later.

CheapKillJun 23, 20171 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8N5yTdGhIU

EvilDustManJun 23, 20171 votes

Blind. Pick. You had the same damn problem.

Umbral RegentJun 23, 20171 votes

Playing Support or Filling into a role (through Autofill or the actual Fill option) awards you a few game's worth of Autofill Protection.
Autofill actually (in my experience) happens very rarely, and on top of that, I've only commonly been filled to Support - I've had some matches where I've been filled to Mid, some to Jungle, etc.
Autofill isn't to force the Support role, it's to shorten queue times and, on the side, increase diversity of player skill.
Queue-dodging should incur a penalty, because you're just making the queue times longer by dodging a match. If you're dodging because you expect the match to be a loss, then the phrase "bite the bullet" applies.

KirotheImmortalJun 23, 20171 votes

Support also has potiential as dps role. Just not the kill kind. I main zyra and i usualy have the dps of a mid laner. Just little to no kill potential. Then theres brand, morg, sona whi are all dps champs.

AlienPrimateJun 23, 20171 votes

Even if you get filled every single time possible, you will still only play support in 1 out of 3 games. This leaves 2 out of 3 to play "carry roles" to boost your ego.