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Hoping to reach out to someone at Riot about a ban, player reading encouraged aswell.

Annie Mid Pref··1 votes·1,494 views

So this thread has two points to it that i want to get across before reading the game chat and what had happened. My accounts name is "annie mid pref" ive been playing for about 2 years now, I have 114 skins, almost all champions, and am a passionate player that loves the game. Ive seriously spent thousands of dollars on this account, im saying that not to show how much i spent but to show how much i love the game. So here are my two points.

  1. This kind of talk was NOT every game, id gotten honored for teamwork alot of the games prior to it, it was a bad slip up on my part
  2. (And the biggest point) My chat was bad, but was it permanent ban bad honestly? I didnt intentionally feed which is much worse because it completely gives the other team the advantage, I didnt play with less effort or to help the other team win, I typed. I know it was a mistake, but my chat could easily be muted by someone not wanting to see it. If one of them had muted me, they wouldnt have even noticed me in a negative way, and I would have recollected myself after.

If you've read this far thankyou for your time, and if you want to see the chat that triggered the permanent ban look below. Have a nice day and my last words are.... rito pls.

"Game 1 Annie Mid Pref: tf Annie Mid Pref: team Annie Mid Pref: what yall doing Annie Mid Pref: sigh Annie Mid Pref: wish yall knew i was a tankl Annie Mid Pref: w/e Annie Mid Pref: sigh Annie Mid Pref: can we get any pressure so i can ult lol Annie Mid Pref: amumu go in if you can Annie Mid Pref: nvm Annie Mid Pref: he leaving Annie Mid Pref: why Annie Mid Pref: did you go behind her Annie Mid Pref: i dont gety oyu guys Annie Mid Pref: ff20 Annie Mid Pref: this is honestly a joke Annie Mid Pref: i ult and talon runs to base Annie Mid Pref: like why Annie Mid Pref: oh yeah im sure Annie Mid Pref: as youre adc down 30 farm Annie Mid Pref: worryu about yourself Annie Mid Pref: cause every lane getting raped Annie Mid Pref: except top Annie Mid Pref: because yall got destroyed Annie Mid Pref: to khazix camping Annie Mid Pref: garen 0 kills Annie Mid Pref: i die from trying to help yall shitty lanes Annie Mid Pref: dude stfu Annie Mid Pref: learn league Annie Mid Pref: learn to carry trash Annie Mid Pref: you dont support shit tho Annie Mid Pref: idc Annie Mid Pref: dodge Annie Mid Pref: other way around please :) Annie Mid Pref: same Annie Mid Pref: report tali please Annie Mid Pref: this tali so toxic Annie Mid Pref: you still talking bruh? Annie Mid Pref: talk about me dying then die lol Annie Mid Pref: taliyah no toxic talk? Annie Mid Pref: i died come on Annie Mid Pref: say something Annie Mid Pref: np another reason we'll lose Annie Mid Pref: im not 5/19 mate Annie Mid Pref: ? Annie Mid Pref: dude i havent even said anything for like 20 mins Annie Mid Pref: stop talking Annie Mid Pref: cause you were being toxic lol Annie Mid Pref: youd keep talking about me when i died Annie Mid Pref: just report tali she just refuses to play and keeps talking Annie Mid Pref: lol"

34 Comments

AeroWaffle3 votes

I find it unlikely that you only received a single game in your card. Are you sure there were no others? There have been quite a few other people on the board that only show a single game of chat, only for a Rioter to hop in and say that there were games that the player was hiding.

I know it was a mistake, but my chat could easily be muted by someone not wanting to see it. If one of them had muted me, they wouldnt have even noticed me in a negative way, and I would have recollected myself after. Tyler1 wasnt banned because of chat, but because he would intentionally throw games and troll people which is something i have never and will never do.

You are responsible for your own behavior. Muting is a tool that should only need to be used as a last resort. Tyler1 had plenty of bans, many of them WAS for verbal abuse.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

I was banned a while ago for 14 days I wont sit here and lie to you, but I have NEVER had chat restrictions, which makes zero sense to me because that was the ONLY problem I had. I never used racial slurs, and mainly my toxic chat was directed in general not at any person. And if the language is too mature there is a mute button. But you are right and i would agree with your points if they had ever given me a chance with chat restriction, short or long term.

AeroWaffle3 votes

If a 14-day ban didn't encourage you to keep the poor behavior out of chat, why would any amount of chat restriction do so?

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

because it you permanently mute me (instead of permanently banning) then it solves every issue.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Riot tried that. In one of the previous automatic chat restriction system, many people were running around with what was essentially permanent chat restrictions (over 500 games).

Riot found that these players more often than not just lashed out in different ways when they couldn't do it in chat. If they didn't have the self-control to keep their anger out of chat, they didn't have the self-control to not intentionally troll to piss off their teammates.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

I would never intentionally feed because my main goal is to win. The reason why my chat gets aggressive sometimes, because I want to win so bad. So no, I would never change over to feeding and trolling, never have and never will.

AeroWaffle3 votes

I don't consider trolling limited to just intentional feeding, but anything done in game just to piss someone off. This would include spam-pinging, entering someone else's lane just to take all the cs, banning the champ they want, etc.

I doubt Riot will take you at your word, and I doubt Riot would make a specific exception for a single player. Especially since the 14-day ban was very clear that it was the last chance before the perma-ban.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

I know all that entails trolling, and I dont do any of that, riot may or may not believe me, but thats why theres a comment section when reporting, and i know i havent ever done anything besides verbal. Also, it wasn't clear that I would be perm banned when i got the 14 day ban? They never said that to me when it happened, I honestly thought I would be chat restricted if anything. Also, games like this one dont happen alot im not a regularly toxic person, in 30 games i may be toxic in 2 or 3 of them but those always get me.

AeroWaffle3 votes

So you believed that after getting banned for 14-days due to verbal abuse, Riot would only give you chat bans for verbal abuse?

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

Sigh, I dont see what you are trying to accomplish here, I didnt receive a chat restriction so I believed it would have to happen at some point before a perm ban, but it didnt. So im on here trying to see if they could look into it more and maybe if i am lucky change it to a huge chat restriction. I dont see why you come on here wanting to rip into people who already lost there accounts, obviously I made mistakes, but I feel as if I shouldve been given a chat restriction in all fairness, if you dont agree thats fine, but to carry it out and keep trying to rip into me makes no sense.

HexaDecimel2 votes

Riot only hands out 10 or 25 day chat bans, and 14 day to Permanent Suspensions. They have long since stopped handing out chat bans for varying lengths of time.

Also, regardless of whether you received any chat restrictions, if the 14 day ban was valid then it is unlikely that the perma ban will be over turned. Along with the 14 day ban notification it does state that this is a final warning and the next punishment will be a permanent suspension.

WiseWoodrow3 votes

Just Riot moderation losing it's shit because someone was anything less than Hunky-Dory during a game that is insanely stressful.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

We play thousands of games over the years, and I swear im not generally toxic lol, like my friends list is full from recent players and i have alot of honors after games. It really just sucks to lose the 114 skins one of which was hextech annie and it took me forever :/ But thankyou for reading, have a good day man.

HexaDecimel3 votes

The first thing to understand is the progression of punishments. To put it simply any violation of the TOS is grounds for a punishment, however players typically need to show consistent bad behaviour and be getting valid reports in order to eventually get a suspension. Punishments follow a tier system of 10 day chat ban, 25 day chat ban, 14 day suspension, and finally a permanent suspension. Actions such as homophobic, racial, or sexist comments, death threats, and cheating can result in skipping the lower tiers of punishment and receiving an automatic perma ban. Otherwise, players that continue to consistently do minor things that violate the TOS will progress along the punishment tiers with the system slowly getting more sensitive as the behaviour pattern is further developed.

So when it comes to getting a perma ban it doesn't really matter how big of a violation it was. What matters is does it technically violate the TOS, and has the player created a pattern of behaviour and moved up the punishment system at a consistent pace. If you have already received a 14 day suspension that makes the account sensitivity extremely high and requires fewer valid reports in order for the player to get suspended. The 3rd suspension is basically your last chance and a warning that the next time you even slightly step out of line you will get the account suspended.

From the chat log you posted I don't believe that you should have been permanently suspended. However, it still technically counts has harassing your teammates which is against the TOS. In addition, Riot generally includes more then one chatlog, and bare in mind that they are just a sample of the behaviour. So perhaps you have already received punishments and this was the last straw. Or you did something really bad in a past match and got immediately escalated.

If you need more info you can always contact Riot Support.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

Then explain this to me, I got banned 4 seconds after the reported offense, as soon as I left the game, meaning it was an automatic ban based on the teammates that decided to report me that game. So I was permanently banned based on three toxic teammates, not on riots further examination. If you're going to perm ban me after all the hard work I put in at least be kind enough to personally ban me based off what THEY see at riot, not based on what a couple people thought that game

HexaDecimel2 votes

One report in a match has the exact same weight as three reports in a match. The system looks at how frequently an account is reported per match to develop a pattern of behaviour. It also determines whether or not the reports are valid. False reports are thrown out, and the the weight of future reports from the false reporter will drop.

If you got banned right after that match then it means that getting a report in that match was the final straw. But it also means that your account had been consistently getting valid reports in other matches until it finally resulted in a permanent suspension.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

And their logs aren't shown but they were 10x more toxic than me that game, but yet they decided my fate. Thankyou for your reply btw, you put effort into it and I appreciate the information

HexaDecimel3 votes

Riot will never show the other players logs because what they wrote isn't what got you banned. They will only look at what the individual typed in chat. You are judged by your actions. And even if what you said was fairly mild, as long as it technically goes against the TOS then it is grounds for a punishment. If they were toxic then the right course of action would have been to mute and report. Like it or not that is their system and we all have to abide by it.

Astôlfo2 votes

Their logs are irrelevant.

TankofGod2 votes

I avoid typing in chat as much as possible but I don't think what you said is bad enough for reporting or getting banned.

Sarutobi2 votes

First off I want to say that no this isn't permaban worthy, as in if this is your first offense this should at least be chat restriction worthy. With that said I'm going to assume you were probably punished before (chat restriction and 14 day ban) if that is the case then sadly this is a legit punishment and the next tier after 14 day ban is the Permanant, you were on thin ice and you basically added fuel to the fire.

Now there are other things to talk about. Like others have said you should have gotten more than 1 game logs. Seeing how you only show one kind of points out that you have something to hide. Either that or you said things in post/pre game chat which doesn't show in the chatlogs so while it might be mild with the evidence you shown, it doesn't show us what actually happen.

I'm not even going to go into your points especially with giving tyler1 as an example is just pathetic if you truely believe he shouldn't have been ban, and at this point just kind of makes your topic just not to be taken seriously. It would be like giving Dunkey as an example.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

First off, I COMPLETELY THINK TYLER1 SHOULDVE BEEN BANNED. Lol, i said he did much more than typing, he literally trolled people and threw games. Second, you are right i recieved the 14 day ban, (have no chat about it but alot of f bombs were dropped) but you were wrong about one thing. I have NEVER received a chat restriction, ever. To add to that ive only received the one game log i relayed to you all. Thankyou for taking the time to read this.

HexaDecimel1 votes

If you only got one chat log you can contact Riot Support in order to get more examples.

archerno12 votes

"(And the biggest point) My chat was bad, but was it permanent ban bad honestly? I didnt intentionally feed which is much worse because it completely gives the other team the advantage"

No, intentionally feeding is not worse than flaming. Intentional feeding entire purpose is to attract attention and hurt players game progress. Entire purpose of flaming is to hurt someone personally.

You didnt get permanent ban for this. You got permanent ban because even after your last warning (14 days ban) you didnt reform. 14 days ban is technically Riot telling you "You are not welcome here anymore, your behavior is not acceptable, but we are willing to give you last chance, you are on thin ice now, ANY misstep will lead to permanent ban, no matter how big or smal lit is, no matter reason why it happened".

Why do you mention Tyler1? He had 19 accounts perma banned, for various reasons (yes even for chat). This latest thing was not perma account ban, but he isnt even allowed to make new account. Dont compare your case in ANY way to Tyler, you are allowed to make new account, he isnt.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

you seriously would rather take an intention feeder over a flamer that you can just mute? Im sorry but someone who intentionally feeds or attempts to help the other team win is much worse than someone typing. Also my main point is why riot would not perma mute me or mute me in any type of way since thats the whole reason i was banned.

archerno12 votes

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you seriously would rather take an intention feeder over a flamer that you can just mute? Im sorry but someone who intentionally feeds or attempts to help the other team win is much worse than someone typing. Also my main point is why riot would not perma mute me or mute me in any type of way since thats the whole reason i was banned.

TBH yes. In past 100 games i only maybe lost 1 due to intentional feeder. Yet i lost way more due to toxic chatters.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

Because not much people intentionally feed lol, alot of people type, if you had a decision between the two the one feeding will give you more a chance to lose then the one you can tell your team to mute. But thats not my point, what i did was wrong, but i feel as if a perm. chat restriction shouldve been right punishment

archerno12 votes

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Because not much people intentionally feed lol, alot of people type, if you had a decision between the two the one feeding will give you more a chance to lose then the one you can tell your team to mute. But thats not my point, what i did was wrong, but i feel as if a perm. chat restriction shouldve been right punishment

They tried with increasing chat restrictions, not perma but to point where people had 2000+ games with chat restrictions. It failed however, most of those punished transfered their toxic chat into toxic gameplay.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

But ive NEVER been reported for toxic gameplay, so obviously it would have a good chance to work on me, and I have also never been chat restricted for even 1 game. So I dont see how some people got 2000+ games and i couldnt get 1

archerno13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Annie Mid Pref,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IhoEx6x5,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-01T17:38:22.009+0000)

But ive NEVER been reported for toxic gameplay, so obviously it would have a good chance to work on me, and I have also never been chat restricted for even 1 game. So I dont see how some people got 2000+ games and i couldnt get 1

Yes but game doesnt revolve arround you. If they do something for you, they have to do it for everyone else.

Annie Mid Pref2 votes

the world may not revolve around me, but this case does, because it has everything to do with me. So sorry if I ask them to look into my case personally and do all they can to make sure its done right when I just spent thousands on their game. I dont think im being unfair making this request, and i dont think its unreasonable.

HexaDecimel1 votes

I have to agree with you Archerno1, It is way more common to find verbal toxicity in games then intentional feeding. I barely ever see an intentional feeder and when I do I just understand that nothing can be done. Basically just accept that the match is a loss, do my best to learn from it, and try not to get frustrated because nothing will change it.

But when I have a toxic player in my chat it is far more irritating, even if we end up winning the match. Often times they will say things just to get a reaction, will spam in chat, and overall verbally harass the players.

Annie Mid Pref1 votes

You are so right about trying to chat as little as possible but I always find myself trying to talk, it was dumb of me, but I think the worst I shouldve gotten shouldve been permanent mute. That wouldve solved every issue

Astôlfo1 votes

Yes, it was well-deserved.

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