I had a Kalista in a match where she didn't ult the entire game. She never said anything the whole match, either. I reported for giving up and intentional feeding, adding a note that she hadn't ulted during the match. This seemed reportable, maybe punishable, but wanted to know your thoughts.
NinjaGuy695 votesTo me, that kind of sounds like she was just an unskilled player (which you can't report people for anymore). It sucks having those people on your team when it happens but you can't really punish people just for being bad.
ModPeriscope1 votesBut, she wasn't unskilled. She grouped. She cs'd well (not better than enemy adc, but still good). Her items looked standard. Just didn't press R. I don't think this was inting, but I felt like she wasn't trying to win.
AdeBug2 votesThat's game knowledge, not champ knowledge. Kalista is not the easiest champ.
Jo0o1 votesDid she pair with you at all?
Glancing at your match history, she's got a non-terrible KDA and a regular build, decent CS, etc. That's hardly inting.
ModPeriscope1 votesAll of what you said is true. I just didn't know how to report "not trying to win." Because if you're not using your ult, I don't think you're trying to win. She did well in lane and did bond with me.
Jo0o4 votes"Giving up" is appropriate, generally.
But I dunno. Kalista has a wonky, atypical ult. It's quite strong and versatile, but also simply not some straightforward ability that can be fired off willy-nilly. I've certainly played with Kalistas that have ulted me at bad times, taking me out of position or stopping me from finishing off a fleeing enemy. In those cases, it would have been better if they had not ulted at all.
When I was learning Bard, I probably had a few games where I wouldn't fire his ult off. Ults like Bard's, Kalista's, Kindred's, etc. that have friendly-fire potential are difficult to master, and I can kinda understand a lower-skilled player being intimidated out of ever using them.
MysterQ1 votesI had a Kalista in a bot game that was terrible. I get it it is bots fine. But we were actually losing every lane due to feeding.
So I typed like multiple times USE YOUR item shard to declare partner. I type it a second or third time, and finally Kalista said I have never played Kalista before trying it out... So I type USE YOUR item shard for your ult again lol.
It was ridiculous. In the end it was bots so it didn't matter. But I was pretty upset when I tried to help her use her Ult and she never even chose a partner the whole game.
ModPeriscope1 votesEverything goes in bots games. Just be glad she wasn't a bot too.
MysterQ1 votesIt doesnt matter in the end.
But like isnt she curiousbwhy this champion has no RRR. What this strange item in the inventory is. You know wasnt he pllaying yo test out the character lol.
BigBellBrute1 votesI had a Kalista in a bot game that was terrible. I get it it is bots fine. But we were actually losing every lane due to feeding.
So I typed like multiple times USE YOUR item shard to declare partner. I type it a second or third time, and finally Kalista said I have never played Kalista before trying it out... So I type USE YOUR item shard for your ult again lol.
It was ridiculous. In the end it was bots so it didn't matter. But I was pretty upset when I tried to help her use her Ult and she never even chose a partner the whole game.
It's bots. That Kallista may not have even known what that particular item is or where it is in the inventory. And in such a case merely typing in use your item shard is insufficient help. When teaching someone to cook you don't merely say Make some Hollandaise sauce and expect them to just do it. You give them detailed instructions.
MysterQ1 votesI never said I was perfect.
But if you are truly trying to learn a champ, i imagine eventually Kalista would take team to figure out how to bond. No excuses.
AdeBug1 votesActually you were better off, she could've paired with a squishy and thrown em into the enemy to troll. I find that reportable, but even then you can justify that she didn't know she could use it defensively (to save the squishy), or that she could actually change who to be paired with. I once told this to a Kalista and she just refused to believe me and/or try it.
Jo0o1 votesThe target of her ult still gets to aim, so even if she pairs with a squishy they can still fire backwards if needed.
AdeBug1 votesas far as i can remember, backwards will only get you in your initial spot, so for a few clinching seconds, you as a squishy have no escape, and you're better off running away with no ult than being stuck in between where she wants to throw u and where u initially were standing
but again i might remember it wrong, as it's a rare case to be paired with her
what i do remember is losing precious time smack mid of a fight, it's only fun if you're a (half) tank
MysterQ1 votesWait, can she change bonds??
ModPeriscope1 votesNegatory ghost rider. It'd be real silly to be able to change who your "Oathsworn" is.
AdeBug1 voteshttp://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-421-notes#patch-kalista
in the first 3 mins, in case champ select didnt go so well and someone picked kalista into a squishy supp, or supp picked smth squishy into kalista, but kalista fkn binds anyways. in the fountain, support asks to change the bind to jg or anyone else. she rebuys the black spear and voila. i think it works in aram, too
and after that, again, i see no point in trying to knockup the enemies using a squishy, but still getting someone out with the ult is better than NOT ulting all game
ModPeriscope1 votesWow. I stand corrected.
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesHe/she may be one of those players who /mutes everyone before the match and just doesn't talk. Looking at the match, I wouldn't consider it reportable. There's no sign of giving up in their build, or the locations of their deaths, and you said that they didn't talk, so they didn't start with the "gg ff@20" at 2 minutes in. And there's no indication of any intentional feeding. They are clearly not just trying to die, or running it down a lane, or building troll items. It sounds like he/she just didn't know how to use the ult properly and didn't do it. Which, given that it's not a damage-dealer, isn't quite the same as not using a Miss Fortune ult (for example).
Is it a bit unskilled, sure. Did it lead to missed opportunities for initiations/saves, definitely. Does it mean they were not trying to win, no.
ModPeriscope2 votes2 things. What's a summoner's best ability?
And how do you learn to use an ult? Edit: Usually, their ult is what makes them both powerful and unique. Aside from reading guides and watching pros, I'd assume most people learn ult by using them.
So if you don't know how something works and aren't trying to figure out how to use your ult, are you trying to win?
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesAn ultimate isn't always the best ability, but it is usually a game-changing or play-making ability. For many champions, it is their best, but not all. When you think of a Blitzcrank, or a Thresh, while their ults are great abilities, it's their hooks/flay that people tend to consider as their best tools.
Did you consider just asking her to ult you in? Or saying "My ult is up, if you can ult me in, I'll flay and box the Twitch for you."
And when she is csing well, building properly and taking objectives, then yes, she is trying to win. And she took two inhibs at one point, so she was definitely trying to win. I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree with you on this one. No evidence points to her actively trying not to win. At the worst, it points to her being unskilled with the champion, and that is not against the rules.
MysterQ1 votesCan i pose a terrible hypothetical.
I am level 18 with 0 skills but 4 items. I am playing with my team. Am i trying to win? You can say yes i am. But i am placing a strange hndicap on myself (no skills). I may think i am still good enough to win, but any reasonable person would say i am trolling and deserve the be punished.
This Kalista wasnt that bad it sounds. But trolling is imo griefing and just ignoring one of your 4 skills for an entire game is pretty bad.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesThat's an interesting question, and a very good point. In that situation, especially in a ranked match, I would definitely agree that it was trolling and griefing. Not learning any skills just puts a champion at too much of a risk for losing trades, losing lane, losing teamfights, and losing the game. It would be one thing if it was in a normal match or if the player was grouped with friends who were all aware of it (like playing Ultimate Bravery).
But as far as just not using an ability? It's like when you have a bad Bard on your team. Would you rather him ult badly, and cost the team fights and objectives? Or just not use the ult? Me personally, I'd rather him just not use the ult rather than get me and everyone else on the team killed, and have us lose a dragon, baron or turret for it.
There's always going to be a difference in deliberately trolling your team, and being unskilled with the champion. If the way to win a League match is through obtaining objectives, and the player is actively working to take those objectives then they are trying to win. Riot doesn't punish people for being bad players. If she was making use of her primary abilities, managing her summoner spells, farming, taking inhibitors, dragons, barons and turrets, building appropriately AND not flaming or saying anything negative to anyone on the team, even the players who were feeding pretty badly, I'd say she was doing decently. Especially on someone like a Kalista, whose primary damage/burst doesn't come from her ult, it comes from her rend.
Out of curiosity, did you ever play AP Sion before his rework? Back then, not only was it common to not bother using his ult, but you weren't supposed to even level it up at 6. You didn't put a point in it until you absolutely had to because there was nothing else to put a point in.
ModPeriscope2 votesNo, I didn't try asking her to ult me -.- I had said "Have you ulted" and "She hasn't ulted all game". Not very helpful, and not opening her to any dialogue, really.
I do agree that she was trying to win, but I don't think to the minimum that we expect in league.
Additionally, I just noticed that she ranked up her ultimate at every opportunity, which is odd.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesIt never hurts to ask them nicely. And if you say it in a way that leaves it up to them to pick the when/where, most people don't get offended by the suggestion. At least then you know you have tried, and done what you can to try and give your team that chance.