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Does my dishonorable status punish me indefinately?

Penta Fail··1 votes·1,317 views

_**TL;DR

Riot, stop matching me with pre-mades so much, they are more commonly toxic. Is this matching due to my honor level? **_

        It feels like my honor level 0 status is truly affecting every single game I play. This is particularly unfair because I was given an honor level or zero after being reported while being penalized. The story is unimportant, because why my honor is at zero currently is not really of importance (but a case could be made against such, clearly).

       **The bottom line is, I have been matched with pre-mades of 3 or 4 almost every single game throughout the preseason and much of the regular season.** The abuse that I regularly endure is getting to be irritating, because I ultimately end up reporting these peoples for their various messed up actions. For example, calling my family members gay (which is more of an annoyance than an insult, but it's still reportable for a variety of reasons), baiting me into fights or similar behavior where I am intentionally left alone to die for the amusement of the pre-made (it's hard to describe, but as a support main you can imagine how this could occur), flat out spam pinging me until I have to mute my entire team, and most commonly, general bullying where they all harrass me and threaten to report me as a team.

It's not as much that I'm asking Riot to deal with these individual people, as that would be pointless, difficult, and most importantly not addressing the problem.** I simply want to be matched with pre-mades for less frequently. **

Perhaps I am being punished for having the lowest honor level, by only being matched with the most toxic players, or simply matched with pre-mades. If that is the case, which I suppose makes sense, for how long must I endure such?

I have been at honor level 0 for at least 2 months now, and have received a ton of honor since then with no promotion.

**I wonder if Riot is:

A) punishing the wrong people in the wrong way, and

B) Being a little too unforgiving on those of us unlucky enough to be slapped with the ban hammer.**

58 Comments

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

A) No

B) And no. Luck had nothing to do with someone getting banned, as a side note.

Penta Fail1 votes

Your comment is a nice combination of not at all helpful and very arrogant. Thanks? Lol.

I'm not sure if you missed my point, didn't read my post, or decided that you didn't care but chose to reply anyway.

If you want to answer the question I'm struggling with, it's, "Does Riot prioritize premade matches for those who have lower honor levels as an additional form of punishment?"

Butt Ρlug5 votes

No, the answer is no just like he said.

Kei1432 votes

being banned is not part of luck.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

being banned is not part of luck.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

I disagree. I think that some players who are deserving of bans get away with it, while others don't. I can't know this for sure, obviously. But to deal with toxic people every day - about 5 times a day at least - suggests that there are a number of people who have been behaving inappropriately for a significant number of games. Otherwise, this would be saying that I only encounter first time offenders, and that's typically not how people work (in all seriousness, I would take pleasure in describing the psychological factors here, lol).

so then, "luck" is someone not yet caught doing something bad. I guess they'll all eventually get banned or whatnot, but maybe that's not even true.

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

First of all, premade has nothing to do with your own toxicity problems and their reports don't matter if there's nothing to report. It is only you that can control your own anger, frustration, and self-control. No one else and most certainly not luck. I've been matched with premade all the time, and they're toxic to me when I do get matched up with the bad ones. I don't respond back is all. Still Honor 4. So no, they're not punishing the wrong people. It's you.

Secondly, Riot has tried to be more forgiving, and your type screwed Riot many times over. They learned their lessons and they're not going to be forgiving nor be lifting any punishments that are at faults.

That concludes to this, you just need to stop responding to toxicity, if you do get banned you deserve it. You are responsible for your own actions. Whatever punishments you get, it's because you deserve it. You are not obligated to respond to toxicity and if you lack the self-control to help yourself, then this game isn't for you.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-15T05:38:21.928+0000)

First of all, premade has nothing to do with your own toxicity problems and their reports don't matter if there's nothing to report. It is only you that can control your own anger, frustration, and self-control. No one else and most certainly not luck. I've been matched with premade all the time, and they're toxic to me when I do get matched up with the bad ones. I don't respond back is all. Still Honor 4. So no, they're not punishing the wrong people. It's you.

Secondly, Riot has tried to be more forgiving, and your type screwed Riot many times over. They learned their lessons and they're not going to be forgiving nor be lifting any punishments that are at faults.

That concludes to this, you just need to stop responding to toxicity, if you do get banned you deserve it. You are responsible for your own actions. Whatever punishments you get, it's because you deserve it. You are not obligated to respond to toxicity and if you lack the self-control to help yourself, then this game isn't for you.

Ironic, that you choose those words and pretend that you're on the moral high ground still. Perhaps there's a psychological effect attached to certain honor levels, and I'm expressing frustration while you're expressing self-righteousness.

Anyway, ignoring your attitude (which you should work on, by the way), I was suggesting that it was a matter of percentage increases in premade matches, not simply an exclusive feature.

Let's look at it in a more practical way, let's say that my MMR is that of those premades, or rather, my MMR is the missing piece of the equation that makes that premade, plus me, match with whatever combination we're playing against. That would make sense, right? If that's the case, than wouldn't I eventually be lifted from this streak? You need to understand that I've been matched with at least a premade of 2 for over 30 games, and the only reason it's "over 30" is because I stopped counting a while back.

I usually wouldn't give such a thorough response, but your attitude inspired me to be a little more descriptive so that you can better grasp what I'm saying.

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

Oh, I am definitely not worried about my attitude, nor will I ever work on it. Been here for since beta on the same account and I will never be banned. So no, your advice is ignored. Especially from players like yourself who can't even get out of dishonorable. Why would anyone ever take your advice in the first place? Work on your own attitude before you advise someone else to. So that overall statement of your's, ignored. Indefinitely.

Now that's aside. Your matchmaking has nothing to do with your dishonored, as most people already told you, but you still continue to ignore it. Once again, it's you and you alone. Just because you do end up with premade, that doesn't and never will indicate your honor or your overall attitude. You and you alone is responsible for your own actions. Not your matchmaking, not your mmr, not luck and not at your honor level. Nothing will be lifted till your attitude change. That's all.

As for my attitude stands, it should inspire you not to be toxic and realize where you're at and why a player like myself has never lost honor and never will lose honor. So you have to think to yourself, "why hell, I do need to change, and stop being toxic overall and stop blaming other people for my lack of self-control". That's what it should inspire you.

Also, not responding nor reading your next response, because you seem to be one of those people who ignores everything and just responds out of anger. Because unlike you, I ignore negativity. But knowing players like you, you'll reply to this anyway. You can't help yourselves. So good luck with your attitude.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Ninja Assassin1 votes

Talking down to someone is not the best way to give advice. I can't say I'd blame him for ignoring yours. -_-

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

I wasn't talking down to him at first. I told him what he did wrong and that Riot nor other players are not responsible for his dishonored. Literally saying it's all luck and that it all had to do with matchmaking and I told him otherwise. Instead, he tried to flips my response negatively, saying my attitude was uncalled for when there was no attitude, to begin with.

Then I showed him my boldness, and yes, I am proud of my position and attitude. Because I've never been punished nor lost any honor. He tried to insult me and turn it all around negatively. I simply proved him wrong. So yes, I did in the last part. Only to show him he can't talk down to other players and be telling other players that they need to change their attitude when he can't even fix his own. So much like his bans, he deserved it.

As for him ignoring my response, I could care less. I forgot he already existed till you responded. But I'll forget him in the next 10 seconds. Regardless if he did or didn't ignore my response, he still has to change no matter what if he wants to get anywhere like I stated. So he'll have to take the advice no matter what he does or he'll be catching the next and final punishment. And then he'll have to take my advice for his next account.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-15T20:14:38.252+0000)

I wasn't talking down to him at first. I told him what he did wrong and that Riot nor other players are not responsible for his dishonored. Literally saying it's all luck and that it all had to do with matchmaking and I told him otherwise. Instead, he tried to flips my response negatively, saying my attitude was uncalled for when there was no attitude, to begin with.

Then I showed him my boldness, and yes, I am proud of my position and attitude. Because I've never been punished nor lost any honor. He tried to insult me and turn it all around negatively. I simply proved him wrong. So yes, I did in the last part. Only to show him he can't talk down to other players and be telling other players that they need to change their attitude when he can't even fix his own. So much like his bans, he deserved it.

As for him ignoring my response, I could care less. I forgot he already existed till you responded. But I'll forget him in the next 10 seconds. Regardless if he did or didn't ignore my response, he still has to change no matter what if he wants to get anywhere like I stated. So he'll have to take the advice no matter what he does or he'll be catching the next and final punishment. And then he'll have to take my advice for his next account.

You are clearly an elitist. You're sense of entitlement couldn't possibly be justified. I believe that you need to humble yourself, as neither your veteran status nor your honor status give you any right to speak to me as if you're better than me.

Frankly, it's silly that I'm responding to you at all, but I find it entertaining to prove how much of a hypocrite you are.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

  • " I've been matched with premade all the time, and they're toxic to me when I do get matched up with the bad ones. I don't respond back is all. Still Honor 4. So no, they're not punishing the wrong people. It's you."

  • "Riot has tried to be more forgiving, and your type screwed Riot many times over."

  • "if you do get banned you deserve it. You are responsible for your own actions. Whatever punishments you get, it's because you deserve it. You are not obligated to respond to toxicity and if you lack the self-control to help yourself, then this game isn't for you."

You're basically saying:

  • Hey, I deal with the same shit and don't let it get to me, so you should too. Then you go on to assume he is toxic and that he screws over the company for trusting him. Finally, you indicate that he lacks self-control and suggest he quit the game. Instead of trying to understand the situation you undermine it by implying that you are capable of dealing with it and say: that's why I'm honor level 4 and never get punished unlike you. Sounds pretty condescending if you ask me, but whatever you do you.
Zombie Gerbil1 votes

As I said, he'll reply, which he did (I am never wrong about that kind of thing),** but I didn't even look at it**. And I definitely won't reply to it. I am good at ignoring negativity. This is what I am teaching him. He should learn from this and start ignoring whatever he may consider negative. But he is toxic, no assumptions there. Otherwise, he wouldn't be where he's at and making an attempt to blame other people for his position.

But you can try and puzzle my words all you want, try to take it out of context, form an opinion of me, none of it matters. Because much like what I said to him, I am ignoring this debate. This goes for you too now. So move on.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

Yup, best to drop this. Maybe someday you will follow your own advice and learn to reflect on your own attitude and behavior. If not, no big deal. Not everyone is capable of thinking introspectively.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Agreed on dropping. And no, I am not worried about myself nor my attitude because I know I am perfectly fine. I'll be here for the next 8 years with the same account with the same attitude and perfectly happy with who I am. So your hope for me changing myself will never happen. This isn't about thinking introspectively especially when your standards isn't a proper standard worth thinking into.

Thank you and goodbye.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=000400000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-16T03:50:53.904+0000)

Agreed on dropping. And no, I am not worried about myself nor my attitude because I know I am perfectly fine. I'll be here for the next 8 years with the same account with the same attitude and perfectly happy with who I am. So your hope for me changing myself will never happen. This isn't about thinking introspectively especially when your standards isn't a proper standard worth thinking into.

Thank you and goodbye.

This is not a matter of, "being yourself" or "morality is relative". This is you being a rude and arrogant person, and trying to justify it. You can't though. You can feel how you want, but you're still behaving inappropriately, as your behavior hurts others, and arguably you too (after all, if you're truly that confident that there's nothing wrong with you being that way, you're damaging your future and current relationships).

I can tell though, that you have no interest in listening to me, because for some reason, you've allowed yourself to believe that you are better than me.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-16T03:28:10.325+0000)

As I said, he'll reply, which he did (I am never wrong about that kind of thing),** but I didn't even look at it**. And I definitely won't reply to it. I am good at ignoring negativity. This is what I am teaching him. He should learn from this and start ignoring whatever he may consider negative. But he is toxic, no assumptions there. Otherwise, he wouldn't be where he's at and making an attempt to blame other people for his position.

But you can try and puzzle my words all you want, try to take it out of context, form an opinion of me, none of it matters. Because much like what I said to him, I am ignoring this debate. This goes for you too now. So move on.

I really think that you need to explore the idea of humbling yourself. Your arrogance is unbelievable, and I can't be the only one to have told you this in your life time. I came to this board asking for advice/help/or whatever would allow me to better interpret my understanding. All you have given me thus far is a bad attitude with a side of arrogance, and it's truly unsettling.

Chrysi72 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-16T03:28:10.325+0000)

As I said, he'll reply, which he did (I am never wrong about that kind of thing),** but I didn't even look at it**. And I definitely won't reply to it. I am good at ignoring negativity. This is what I am teaching him. He should learn from this and start ignoring whatever he may consider negative. But he is toxic, no assumptions there. Otherwise, he wouldn't be where he's at and making an attempt to blame other people for his position.

But you can try and puzzle my words all you want, try to take it out of context, form an opinion of me, none of it matters. Because much like what I said to him, I am ignoring this debate. This goes for you too now. So move on.

claps

I normally don't respond to these kinds of discussions, but I want you to know I completely agree. Also, I seriously adore your username on many levels, and I need you to know that I love your username.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-01-15T06:07:24.634+0000)

Oh, I am definitely not worried about my attitude, nor will I ever work on it. Been here for since beta on the same account and I will never be banned. So no, your advice is ignored. Especially from players like yourself who can't even get out of dishonorable. Why would anyone ever take your advice in the first place? Work on your own attitude before you advise someone else to. So that overall statement of your's, ignored. Indefinitely.

Now that's aside. Your matchmaking has nothing to do with your dishonored, as most people already told you, but you still continue to ignore it. Once again, it's you and you alone. Just because you do end up with premade, that doesn't and never will indicate your honor or your overall attitude. You and you alone is responsible for your own actions. Not your matchmaking, not your mmr, not luck and not at your honor level. Nothing will be lifted till your attitude change. That's all.

As for my attitude stands, it should inspire you not to be toxic and realize where you're at and why a player like myself has never lost honor and never will lose honor. So you have to think to yourself, "why hell, I do need to change, and stop being toxic overall and stop blaming other people for my lack of self-control". That's what it should inspire you.

Also, not responding nor reading your next response, because you seem to be one of those people who ignores everything and just responds out of anger. Because unlike you, I ignore negativity. But knowing players like you, you'll reply to this anyway. You can't help yourselves. So good luck with your attitude.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

I'm deeply concerned by the amount of up-votes you've gotten for this response. You're clearly very arrogant, and you don't see a problem with that. I won't bother trying to diagnose your problem, because what point would there be in doing so. I should however point out, simply, that you're a hypocrite.

As for you never losing honor or never being reported, it's simply the case that Riot doesn't consider people like you worthy of punishment. This is where the company and I would disagree. I see you as the type of person who would go 10/0/0 and lose a game, and then scoff to yourself at how poorly your teammates performed.

Your actually help is appreciated, but again, your attitude and especially your arrogance is not. Frankly speaking, it's because of people like you, that ideas don't flourish in the world.

YerroFever2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Penta Fail,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-15T04:04:34.873+0000)

A) punishing the wrong people in the wrong way,

Based on what reds have said, their current system is pretty good compared to their old system of indefinitely extending chat restrictions. They say that their numbers are better and although the punished people become more upset, the people who are not being punished seem to be reporting overall better player base experiences.

Personally, I played for many many years and I find this current environment of 30+ much better than like season 2 30+.

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B) Being a little too unforgiving on those of us unlucky enough to be slapped with the ban hammer.**

The dishonorable doesn't last forever if you aren't dishonorable. Don't be dishonorable and you'll get out of it.

lmagine the current system as a rating of 0-10 for each reported game for toxicity

0 = not toxic 1 to 3 = toxic but very mildly toxic but not enough for a chat restriction 4 to 9 = toxic ready for punishment 10 = Punishment escalation.

If you're getting reported and you're scoring a 1, 2, or 3 on your games, it still keeps in dishonorable. If you get a 0, you're golden and you'll progress out of dishonorable status.

Penta Fail2 votes

{quoted}

Based on what reds have said, their current system is pretty good compared to their old system of indefinitely extending chat restrictions. They say that their numbers are better and although the punished people become more upset, the people who are not being punished seem to be reporting overall better player base experiences.

Personally, I played for many many years and I find this current environment of 30+ much better than like season 2 30+.

The dishonorable doesn't last forever if you aren't dishonorable. Don't be dishonorable and you'll get out of it.

lmagine the current system as a rating of 0-10 for each reported game for toxicity

0 = not toxic 1 to 3 = toxic but very mildly toxic but not enough for a chat restriction 4 to 9 = toxic ready for punishment 10 = Punishment escalation.

If you're getting reported and you're scoring a 1, 2, or 3 on your games, it still keeps in dishonorable. If you get a 0, you're golden and you'll progress out of dishonorable status.

That does help, thank you. I'm not sure how my behavior currently is getting those bad scores though. Do you know of specific behavior they look for?

YerroFever1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Penta Fail,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-01-16T04:43:01.156+0000)

That does help, thank you. I'm not sure how my behavior currently is getting those bad scores though. Do you know of specific behavior they look for?

When you're dishonorable, they watch you like a hawk. The easiest way they can detect negative behavior is through chat but they also still will watch your games if you're reported for things like inting, trolling, etc...

Essentially, lay off the enter button and it'll be easier for you to regain honor as most of the time, people make a few flames and then mute all and think they're OK because they didn't flame much... but the IFS still can rate your game poorly if you flame even in one line of text. When you flame even just once in a game, you're proving that you aren't reformed and thus extends your reform period. If you can't demonstrate that you've reformed, you'll stay in dishonorable forever.

If you read the posts from people who have gotten out of dishonorable, they'll tell you the best thing to do is to just stop typing to people.

Penta Fail1 votes

It seems like no one who posts replies in this section has any intention to help the authors of the threads. I suppose I should thank you two for your feedback, but honestly, neither one of you were helpful.

Jo0o5 votes

Well, there's really no indication beyond your experience, absent comparative data, that being Honor 0 would change your matchmaking at all.

There are already explicit downsides of being Honor 0. I can't think of a reason why Riot would also pile on unwritten downsides to it.

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

Well, there's really no indication beyond your experience, absent comparative data, that being Honor 0 would change your matchmaking at all.

There are already explicit downsides of being Honor 0. I can't think of a reason why Riot would also pile on unwritten downsides to it.

Exactly. But I've been consistently matched with premades. And please understand, I'm talking about a streak of maybe 30 or more. That is a lot of premades.

Jo0o2 votes

I think it's just bad luck. Maybe there's correlation between premades and the new season beginning? Personally, I've had several friends express renewed interest in League due to the impending Season 8, so I've been constantly queueing with at least one buddy at a time.

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

I think it's just bad luck. Maybe there's correlation between premades and the new season beginning? Personally, I've had several friends express renewed interest in League due to the impending Season 8, so I've been constantly queueing with at least one buddy at a time.

That would indeed make a lot of sense. I just wish that they'd match with someone else. You truly can't imagine how frequently I end up muting people.

Also, muting people sucks, because that's one less person that you can communicate with :/.

o brigid o1 votes

Pings have only gotten better and better through the seasons.

There's now pretty much a ping to indicate 99% of all your intentions in a game. With pings, and now emoji's (the most basic of which is free) that help express things like "good job" or "oops" or any number of things, there's literally zero reason you should need to type to your team or see their chat.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to just /mute all by default. You won't believe how much more peaceful your gaming experience becomes once you try it for a week.

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

Pings have only gotten better and better through the seasons.

There's now pretty much a ping to indicate 99% of all your intentions in a game. With pings, and now emoji's (the most basic of which is free) that help express things like "good job" or "oops" or any number of things, there's literally zero reason you should need to type to your team or see their chat.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to just /mute all by default. You won't believe how much more peaceful your gaming experience becomes once you try it for a week.

You're right. I'm working on doing that.

I still regret not being able to type certain things though. Especially when I'm in an off role, I like to indicate to the jungler early that ganking for me will be less effective.

o brigid o1 votes

That can be done in the pregame lobby as soon as you see what your role is. It can also be done when you see the jungler coming toward your lane with a "fall back" yellow ping.

Kei1431 votes

it's not like you are asking for anything so far.

You ask the questions, we'll answer it. But you got to ask the right questions.

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

it's not like you are asking for anything so far.

You ask the questions, we'll answer it. But you got to ask the right questions.

I was suggesting that an honor level of zero would cause me to be constantly matched with premades as a form of punishment.

Chermorg6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Penta Fail,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-01-15T05:45:13.461+0000)

I was suggesting that an honor level of zero would cause me to be constantly matched with premades as a form of punishment.

Multiple people have told you that this is incorrect and that Riot has explicitly said they're against this type of "toxicity level affecting matchmaking" many times before.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

No one on here has that kind of information. Ask in a support ticket or something.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-15T05:53:37.110+0000)

No one on here has that kind of information. Ask in a support ticket or something.

I see your point, but I posted here thinking that eventually a moderator would respond. I also value the feedback of players (although, I can see that some toxic players also frequent the forums).

Ninja Assassin2 votes

Even mods don't have that info though. Player behavior is never a good place to ask for advice, especially if you have any criticisms of riot's banning system. Also, if you have any sort of presence on these boards you are subject to either instant up-votes or down-votes. I legitimately cannot post on here without being instantly down-voted regardless of what I am saying.

ModPeriscope4 votes

Maybe if you didn't post things that were simply wrong, like "Player behavior is never a good place to ask for advice."

His question deals specifically with honor and matchmaking. The only other place to ask this is gameplay, but the same responses would/should be given there.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

Sorry if my opinion offends you, go ahead and down-vote if you believe that warrants it. I was just tying to be honest with him about what to expect when posting on these boards. I guess talking about my own experiences was a little unnecessary, but I just wanted to establish some credibility in the advice I was giving the op.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-15T08:15:41.744+0000)

Sorry if my opinion offends you, go ahead and down-vote if you believe that warrants it. I was just tying to be honest with him about what to expect when posting on these boards. I guess talking about my own experiences was a little unnecessary, but I just wanted to establish some credibility in the advice I was giving the op.

I can't imagine why anything you said could be perceived as offensive. Maybe that's why I got banned, lol, I'm not a softy.

Penta Fail1 votes

{quoted}

Maybe if you didn't post things that were simply wrong, like "Player behavior is never a good place to ask for advice."

His question deals specifically with honor and matchmaking. The only other place to ask this is gameplay, but the same responses would/should be given there.

I am not salty about receiving the responses that I am, but I am a bit regretful that my initial post was understood how it was, and not how I intended it.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I was responding to a different player. That first sentence was not directed at you.

Kei1433 votes

You are probably getting downvoted cos you are giving out advice based on incorrect information. Which ultimately becomes bad advice.

We can criticize Riot's system, but we make sure that we have the proper facts and information before critising it.

This kind of goes back to your point that if you have any presence, you will be instant up/down voted, but it's not because of the person, it is because what they say is factually correct / opinion that is similar to the general members of the boards.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

That's a pretty big assumption to make. Where exactly am I using incorrect information?

Kei1432 votes

No one on here has that kind of information.

We do have that information. Riot is pretty open about not having prisoner's island.

Player behavior is never a good place to ask for advice.

It's only a bad location if one refuses to listen and blames everyone for their bad behavior, while thinking that their toxic view is correct and/or just.

especially if you have any criticisms of riot's banning system. lso, if you have any sort of presence on these boards you are subject to either instant up-votes or down-votes. I legitimately cannot post on here without being instantly down-voted regardless of what I am saying.

Mentioned the answer to this already.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

Can you tell me explicitly where any of this information about honor affecting matchmaking was stated by riot? Who on here has access to information regarding this? This thread is not about the prisoner's island concept. It's about matchmaking with premades based on a person's honor. The only people who have access to this information are riot employees.

My opinion about player behavior is not information its just an opinion. Just like your opinion that its only a bad location if people are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

I'm not spreading false information or making any conclusions based on such. You trying to unsuccessfully deconstruct my statements is just a weak way to attack the assertion that I'm making. Emotion trumps logic on here.

Kei1432 votes

Wait... I just reread what OP was asking, and he is indeed asking for premades match making and not prisoner island...

Lol.. I so misread him.

My bad.

Your arguements are fine arguements, though I truly did feel like you were spreading misinformation initially when I read your stuff.

But facts aside, your opinion seems to be pretty unpopular

Ninja Assassin1 votes

I appreciate your honesty.

Agreed, my opinions are definitely unpopular, but popularity is not something I really consider when making my own conclusions. I just post what I honestly feel, within logical reason of course.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-01-15T06:24:29.380+0000)

Even mods don't have that info though. Player behavior is never a good place to ask for advice, especially if you have any criticisms of riot's banning system. Also, if you have any sort of presence on these boards you are subject to either instant up-votes or down-votes. I legitimately cannot post on here without being instantly down-voted regardless of what I am saying.

I understand what you're saying Crimson. You need to realize that if my question was answered, I listened. However, I then after responded to the other things that were said, which made it seem as if I did not.

Does that make sense?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Ima guess you mean Rioter and not moderator.

Blue/green/purple named board people are community volunteers. Just regular players in other words.

Penta Fail1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvEJGXWJ,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2018-01-15T06:27:36.288+0000)

Ima guess you mean Rioter and not moderator.

Blue/green/purple named board people are community volunteers. Just regular players in other words.

Thanks. I actually did not know that.

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