How long do you have to be a decent human being?

GarthBrooksIV·Aug 22, 2016·2 votes·957 views

Before your rewards are restored after being 14 day banned?

23 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 22, 20164 votes

well a good start would be from the get go. if you were a decent human all along it wouldnt be a question.

i hope you arent trying to be a "decent human" just for rewards because that isnt the point. but if you are sincerely trying to better yourself and how you act towards others then bravo.

ModPrandineAug 22, 20162 votes

From the Hextech Crafting FAQ:

How long does it usually take for someone to be eligible again?

There is no specific timeframe for eligibility, and the length of the reform period may vary on a case by case basis. It all depends on the severity of your punishment, and on your behavior moving forward.

RedTaoAug 22, 20162 votes

3 months. That's how long you have to wait.

ModPrandineAug 22, 20162 votes

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3 months. That's how long you have to wait.

Riot Tantram explained this to you 5 months ago:

I can tell you that it does not take 3 months to regain eligibility from a single chat restriction, as long as you are being sportsmanlike. You can look around the message boards and see lots of people regaining eligibility. For some it takes longer than others. It is not impossible, or even difficult. Simply play the game, have fun, display sportsmanship and you will begin earning loot shards before you know it.

Not receiving loot is not a punishment. Earning loot is a reward.

RedTaoAug 22, 20162 votes

Its a BS statement, that much I know. It took me 3 months to the day, so it takes 3 months to get it back.

But what do I know? Im just a toxic player that Riot refuses to permaban.

ModPrandineAug 22, 20162 votes

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Its a BS statement, that much I know. It took me 3 months to the day, so it takes 3 months to get it back.

But what do I know? Im just a toxic player that Riot refuses to permaban.

It may have taken you 3 months but that doesn't mean that it takes everyone else 3 months. From the Hextech Crafting FAQ:

How long does it usually take for someone to be eligible again?

There is no specific timeframe for eligibility, and the length of the reform period may vary on a case by case basis. It all depends on the severity of your punishment, and on your behavior moving forward.

RedTaoAug 22, 20162 votes

There has yet to be anyone who got it in any less time than 3 months when it comes to 2-week bans. More time is debateable, but still not present from anyone else's account. Unless such a thing is shown, then yes. 3 months is the answer.

Chewbacca MerkinAug 22, 20162 votes

Isnt Imperfection the epitome of a decent human being?

RedTaoAug 22, 20161 votes

Only in a perfect world would peoples imperfections be accepted. A paradox in itself, but it's not wrong.

Desolas ArteriusAug 22, 20162 votes

Tip: You should always be a decent human being. There should never be a time limit on how long you should bea decent human being. You should always strive to be decent or better. This way you never have to worry about having to wait to be eligible for rewards! :D

But from what I know, the restrictions are game based not time related. You need to play a certain amount of games without receiving valid reports (to prevent troll reporting if you honestly didn't deserve it). This can vary depending on the severity of your punishment, but if you manage to play a few games a day with positive behavior you should be eligible in 2-3 months. Mostly because you're already at your 14-day ban which is close to being permabanned.

The reason they aren't time related is so players can't remain inactive on their accounts to wait for the ban to be over. They have to actively show improvement by playing games to prove they've reformed.

Hope that helps, and good luck!

RedTaoAug 22, 20161 votes

Unfortunately, the concept of being a "decent human being" is such a subjective thing, even Riot cant tell you what it looks like. Decent for one person is not the same as another. Because I was declared reformed by being toxic, it shows that Riot doesn't have the same definition of what a decent person as players do. Just look at all of my posts and logs. I've become a scumbag because of Riot's current system. I've done nothing but badmouth myself and apoligize for everything even if I had nothing to do with it. I tell people we're going to lose, that i'm crap, that im useless, that i cant do anything right... and they reward me for that behavior...

They've made this the face of what a "decent human being" is. Someone who has no self-confidence and no pride in themselves. But hey, at least they don't defend themselves. Otherwise that'd created a negative experience to the people who are trash talking them all game.

Desolas ArteriusAug 22, 20162 votes

It's not really subjective, and Riot has said plenty of times what being "a decent human being" is like.

Example: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751874-Behavior-Worthy-of-a-Champion

It is very likely that you have received some negativity from your teammates, which probably did not make you feel any better. So why inflict this on someone else?

As human beings, we are often quick to judge but slow to praise, especially when it comes to strangers. Try turning that around – highlight and compliment achievement of others during a game. It does not matter if the achievement is game changing, or even significant.

This was taken directly from the Support page as I linked above. This is like the Golden Rule if you've ever heard of it. "Treat others the way you wish to be treated". I'd say that's a pretty darn good example of what a decent human being is and what Riot would like to see from its players. And there is no subjective way to perceive the Golden Rule, the only subjective part that can come from this rule is how you want to be treated. The rule is pretty black and white. If you want to be treated like scum of the earth, then I guess you can treat others like that, but you won't be rewarded for that nor will you make many friends. It's also pretty miserable to live like that, so wouldn't it be better just to be polite to others? Even if it's just a "GGWP" at the end of a match or a "Good job!" in the game, it's still better than acting rude or negative towards other players.

Another example is pretty much the whole Summoner's Code: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

Having a great game is one of the biggest joys that League of Legends can bring you. But always bear in mind that when you're relishing that landslide victory there is someone on the receiving end that is probably ripping their hair out. While it's alright to celebrate, make sure that you keep any **gloating **(or any other mode of self-indulgence) out of all chat. Instead, thank your opponents for the game. After all, despite their best efforts, they just made you a very happy person.

Moreover, if you've just lost,** avoid pointing any fingers or deploying excuses**. Even if you had a great game, it's not alright to blame your team. You had five opponents in that game, and - seeing as you just lost - chances are that they had something to do with it. We all know that losing can be frustrating, particularly if it's a close game or one that's completely one sided, but nobody likes a sore loser. Instead, thank your opponents for the game, and take a moment at the end of game screen to ask what you could have done better.** If you're polite**, you might pick up a few pointers that can help you counter your opponent's strategy in the future.

While this is only a part of the Code of Conduct, it still paints a pretty detailed picture of what Riot expects out of its players. You can say trying to be a decent human being is subjective all you want, but it's pretty obvious how to be one. Be polite, be thankful, and be helpful. Pretty simple really. Majority of people are taught this growing up. And if you weren't then just read the Code of Conduct (like everyone is supposed to) and the Player Behavior articles Riot puts out to get a clear idea of what they expect in their players.

You can pretend to be a martyr all you want, but I highly doubt Riot is "rewarding" you for lowering your self-confidence and belittling yourself. You are doing that on your own, and probably exaggerating to prove a point.

If you legitimately feel this way however (i.e. useless, hopeless, negative, sad, etc.), then I recommend getting help and reaching out to others about possible signs of depression. Beating yourself up isn't healthy for the mind, and it's always good to get help.

Hope this helps and good luck.

RedTaoAug 22, 20161 votes

The following response is long and I do apoligize for it. But I felt that every point you made deserved proper disection from what's been happening personally with me. Bear with it please. Thank you and I'm sorry.

It's not really subjective, and Riot has said plenty of times what being "a decent human being" is like.

So the refugees in germany who're raping women, this is not their subject view of what's acceptable? Because where they came from it's considered acceptable behavior. The Japanese who can still smack their children in the heads with wooden bats if they act up, this is not subjective? Because over there it's still acceptable to beat their children if they act up, unlike in the US.

So yes, "Decent human being" is a subjective concept. This is why there needs to be an actual template, standard as to what Riot considers a "Decent human being". Because their definition of what it is is not everyones.

I've gone to that page. I wrote an essay as to how it pertained to me following Riot's definition as to what is considered acceptable behavior. I've also used it to show how the people who reported me were in the wrong by their own words used in that page as well as their page saying what's considered reportable and what's not. The summoners code was used in the essay as well. If you would like to see it, please let me know and I'm more than happy to share it with you.

"Treat others the way you wish to be treated"

Those who've read the Kuran can all tell you that their use of the golden rule is different. Theirs pretty much says "If they're stronger than you, treat them well. When you're stronger than them, slit their throats unless they convert". So yes, even the golden rule is subjective to people/cultures.

Does this description as to how I act in games sound like a "Decent person" to you? If it does not, then why does Riot seem to think so? If you agree with Riot's opinion on this, explain to me why? Because I do not understand your subjective view if you agree with Riot on this case.

You can pretend to be a martyr all you want, but I highly doubt Riot is "rewarding" you for lowering your self-confidence and belittling yourself. You are doing that on your own, and probably exaggerating to prove a point.

If you dont believe me, then ask Riot for my logs and ask them why have not permabanned me yet. I give you full permission to see them. Otherwise I can give you the logs from my ban and that'll give you an idea on how I was when they decided to reform me as well.

You can say trying to be a decent human being is subjective all you want, but it's pretty obvious how to be one. Be polite, be thankful, and be helpful. Pretty simple really. Majority of people are taught this growing up. And if you weren't then just read the Code of Conduct (like everyone is supposed to) and the Player Behavior articles Riot puts out to get a clear idea of what they expect in their players.

Lets assume you're right. That if you follow this, then you're never going to be on Riot's bad list... Why did they reform me for my behavior then? I've done nothing but self-deprecate, verbally abuse myself and apoglize in every game for the past year. REMEMBER, I GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO LOOK AT MY LOGS. THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE FROM RIOTS PART AS FAR AS PRIVACY GOES. You can look at ANY logs from a year ago till now and see that in almost every single game I was a miserable, self loathing person. I was banned for this... But I was also declared reformed from this. Riot members are saying that by doing this i'm "Being a better person"...

If you legitimately feel this way however (i.e. useless, hopeless, negative, sad, etc.), then I recommend getting help and reaching out to others about possible signs of depression. Beating yourself up isn't healthy for the mind, and it's always good to get help.

I don't feel this way. This is just the behavior that got me reformed. Riot is not telling me any different and is not telling me to behave in any way different. They are not telling me what's considered offensive and what's not. They're not telling me what THEY deem appropriate. By all means, my current behavior is deplorable. I give people the impression that I'm depressed and could be slitting my wrists as I type. HOWEVER, take this into consideration:

Riot says that "the community decides what they want to see in the game"

So, if the community decides what behavior is acceptable and we both agree that this behavior is unacceptable... Then why isn't the community doing anything about it? Riot has been telling me they have no say as to what behavior is considered acceptable, that it's ALL the community. So if my behavior is not the behavior of a decent human being, why am I still here? Does this mean that this is the behavior the community WANTS to see? The select few of us like you and me may disagree with this behavior, the rest of the community however... Well, their standards as the behavior they like to see is evidently significantly lower than your and my standards.

So yes, I agree. Beating myself up is not healthy for me mentally... But it's apperantly the behavior that the community wants to see. My current behavior goes against EVERYTHING in the code, code of conduct, everything Riot currently has in place. But this is apperantly what the community wants to see from their fellow players, so Riot will not do anything to me. My behavior is making players happy, regardless of what it's doing to myself personally.

If you read it all the way through, thank you. I'm sorry you had to put in the time to read my response and apolgiize if anything I said offended you. It was not my intention.

Desolas ArteriusAug 23, 20161 votes

Okay, I don't know where to start, but ho doggy this is quite a doozy.

Anyways:

So the refugees in germany who're raping women, this is not their subject view of what's acceptable? Because where they came from it's considered acceptable behavior. The Japanese who can still smack their children in the heads with wooden bats if they act up, this is not subjective? Because over there it's still acceptable to beat their children if they act up, unlike in the US.

Pardon my attitude, but what the hell does this have to do with league of legends? The issues you listed are social /government issues involving the fucked up parts of other countries. Those cases have nothing to do with how players should conduct themselves in League of Legends. Players in league of legends aren't raping people, they aren't beating their kids with wooden bats, they're playing a video game online with millions of other players. This is a terrible comparison and has virtually nothing to do with being a "decent human being" in a video game.

So yes, "Decent human being" is a subjective concept. This is why there needs to be an actual template, standard as to what Riot considers a "Decent human being". Because their definition of what it is is not everyones.

It's still not subjective. Being a good person doesn't mean you have to go feed the homeless or save a kitten from a burning tree over a shark tank while fending off from a horde of alligators. It means just don't be an asshole to others. If you're playing a game and you have the tendency to yell at people or call them names, then don't do it. It's that simple. You're overthinking a basic concept of "Don't be an asshole". A template isn't needed, this isn't a resume or an essay you're submitting. It's about a person not being a jerk in a video game and instead just having fun and being positive.

I've gone to that page. I wrote an essay as to how it pertained to me following Riot's definition as to what is considered acceptable behavior. I've also used it to show how the people who reported me were in the wrong by their own words used in that page as well as their page saying what's considered reportable and what's not.

If you followed what Riot put out then how did you get punished? From what you stated in the rest of your comment you said you were punished, which couldn't happen if you were honestly following the guidelines Riot put on how to be a "good" player. I'm not trying to point fingers at you, I'm just saying it contradicts what you're trying to tell me.

Those who've read the Kuran can all tell you that their use of the golden rule is different. Theirs pretty much says "If they're stronger than you, treat them well. When you're stronger than them, slit their throats unless they convert". So yes, even the golden rule is subjective to people/cultures. Does this description as to how I act in games sound like a "Decent person" to you? If it does not, then why does Riot seem to think so? If you agree with Riot's opinion on this, explain to me why? Because I do not understand your subjective view if you agree with Riot on this case.

This makes absolutely no sense to the conversation at hand. We are talking about a video game, not cultural differences and interpretations. Everyone will interpret something differently, but when we're talking about the behavior of online players in a video game, then cultural interpretations don't belong here. When someone says to "be nice" they aren't telling you to go compare cultural/religious interpretations of what "being nice" means. They just mean the literal definition of being nice. Which means "dont be rude towards another person".

Also I have no idea why what the Kuran says has anything to do with Riot. I agree with Riot because they want their players to be good sportsmans and not perpetuate toxic/negative attitudes towards other players. Why? Because we're all human and we all have our stories, so why the hell should I be rude towards someone when I would be upset if they were rude towards me?

Also, the origin of the Golden Rule was to teach people empathy, which is what Riot tries to tell players because nowadays lots of people are lacking in it when they act toxic and negative towards other people. (The phrase is a part of many religions and cultures but the root of it was to teach empathy, Do ut des if you will, and used as early as 664 B.C.)

If you dont believe me, then ask Riot for my logs and ask them why have not permabanned me yet. I give you full permission to see them. Otherwise I can give you the logs from my ban and that'll give you an idea on how I was when they decided to reform me as well.

Riot cannot and should not ever give logs/information to another player who isn't the original player. If you wish to share your own then so be it. But they cannot give me your logs regardless if you give me permission. That is a security hazard and a safety concern. So please never encourage this with any other player. End of discussion.

Lets assume you're right. That if you follow this, then you're never going to be on Riot's bad list... Why did they reform me for my behavior then? I've done nothing but self-deprecate, verbally abuse myself and apoglize in every game for the past year. You can look at ANY logs from a year ago till now and see that in almost every single game I was a miserable, self loathing person. I was banned for this... But I was also declared reformed from this. Riot members are saying that by doing this i'm "Being a better person"...

Because the attitude you perpetuate now is not reportable. The reason you're considered "reformed" is because you are no longer being reported for toxic behavior towards your team and other players. Being self-loathing is not reportable, but belittling your team is. Does that make sense? Of course they wont permaban you if you don't fall under the criteria to be banned (such as threats, name calling, harassment, etc.).

But I bet you that if you stopped that behavior and perhaps didn't talk at all in the game, or maybe just said "GG", "GJ" or simple polite phrases you would be fine as well.

And you know how I'm right? Because I do this in my games. I try to be as helpful, polite, and funny as I can to make the game enjoyable for my team. Even the enemy team as well because we're all people, and no one is better than the other. I follow Riot's Code of Conduct and I try my damn hardest to show good sportsmanship and be a positive influence in the community. Because dangnabbit I want to be the change I want to see. I want to see more players being friendly and helpful to all players, and be less toxic/rude. So I have to fill those shoes first before I can even hope to see any type of change.

So yes, I agree. Beating myself up is not healthy for me mentally... But it's apperantly the behavior that the community wants to see. My current behavior goes against EVERYTHING in the code, code of conduct, everything Riot currently has in place. But this is apperantly what the community wants to see from their fellow players, so Riot will not do anything to me. My behavior is making players happy, regardless of what it's doing to myself personally.

This is not the behavior the entire community wants to see. This the behavior the vocal minority wants to push onto players so they can harass and bully them easier without fear of retaliation. I will personally tell you that being negative to the point of depression is not what I want to see in a fellow league player. I want to see someone who is upbeat, wants to have fun, or wants to be challenged at a video game. Do not assume because you are no longer being reported is because this behavior is what the community wants to see. These do not correlate in anyway, I promise you. It's simple because your behavior now is not reportable by Riot's standards. Beating yourself up, calling yourself worthless or being essentially depressed on all levels is not healthy nor is it what Riot, or anyone wants. I really suggest getting help or reaching out to someone. Talk your thoughts out as to why you feel the need to act like this. I promise it will help. Don't let thoughts like that cloud your judgement. That is not how anyone should hold themselves up in life, and on the fields of Justice.

If you read it all the way through, thank you. I'm sorry you had to put in the time to read my response and apolgiize if anything I said offended you. It was not my intention.

Don't worry about offending me or anyone by speaking your thoughts, regardless if you are wrong or right. But I will suggest constructing your arguments/opinions to make a little more sense to the topic at hand :P I applaud you for trying, but the majority of this was filled with Red Herrings. Nothing too wrong with that, but I do suggest using relevant comparisons to the topics at hand to keep your opinion credible :)

Hope that helps and good luck

RedTaoAug 23, 20161 votes

Pardon my attitude, but what the hell does this have to do with league of legends? The issues you listed are social /government issues involving the fucked up parts of other countries.

The example I gave you regarding other cultures and groups was to show that everyone's definition as to what a decent human being looks like is indeed a subjective one. In most 1st world countries it's unacceptable to rape anyone, most middle eastern territories still rape their women/children on a daily basis. They dont see anything wrong with it, we do. We don't see this as a decent human being, they do. It's their norm, it's not ours. I was hoping by expressing this that you wouldn't get too caught up on the parallels to lose sight of what I was trying to express.

It's still not subjective. Being a good person doesn't mean you have to go feed the homeless or save a kitten from a burning tree over a shark tank while fending off from a horde of alligators.

As expressed above, what constitutes as a decent human being is not universal. I was a decent human being before this 4-strike rule came out. In every instance punishment was given, I got worse since there was nothing to base my behavior on so I can make correct changes. Like you said, decent human beings dont need to do extraordinary good deeds to be considered decent. However, according to Riot's logic, telling your team "No" because they're telling you to do something that keeps getting you killed and does nothing to help you win the game is considered "Indecent" behavior. It was one of the reasons they decided to ban me, so now I do nothing but what the team tells me to, regardless if I know for a fact it wont work, and continue to fail at most/all the things I'm told to do. Im not a pro, I can't do pro moves, I continue to fail and lose most of my games because of the stupid things people are telling me to do... But hey, at least I'm not offending anyone by telling them "No, this order is stupid and I told you why it was". It only costed us the game, but noone's feelings were hurt by me. It's not like people want to win more than they don't want their egos bruised.

If you followed what Riot put out then how did you get punished?

Riot did this wonky thing where they keep flipping their reasons for my ban. They went from "You broke our rules" to "The players decide what they want to see in the game. They don't want you in the game". This is just an oversimplification of what they said. So because I submitted that essay to Riot showing how because of how intentionally vague they made the summoners code and most other things they have on their site, my behavior was within the limitations set by their vague standards. They eventually had to summerize it to "You're negative, the players decided you were negative, end of story". So now I'm left in the dark as to what they want to see from me since they still provided no examples as to what they want from me.

This makes absolutely no sense to the conversation at hand. We are talking about a video game, not cultural differences and interpretations. Everyone will interpret something differently, but when we're talking about the behavior of online players in a video game, then cultural interpretations don't belong here.

Culture has everything to do with what we're talking about. Video gaming is a culture in itself. Look at all the conventions people have for all their fandoms. Each one with their own different characteristics and varying customs. People here in LoL have their own culture as well, what we forget is that people have other cultural rules they follow. The example you provided with the Golden Rule was derived from several religious scriptures. Most of them are the same "Dont be a jerk if you dont want to be treated a jerk". However, the Muslim culture who follow the Kuran have the same Golden Rule, however it's different in which they tell you "Dont be a jerk if you're weaker than the people around you. Save that when you're stronger than they are" 2 different Golden Rules from 2 different cultures. The reason I feel you got lost in my example is because you're only focused on the "LoL culture" that you don't broaden out to realize that LoL culture is drastically different from even many other gaming cultures, let alone irl cultures. Every single gamer alive today came from some type of irl culture and every culture has things that's not the same as LoL culture.

Riot cannot and should not ever give logs/information to another player who isn't the original player.

They can provide you with the logs as long as expressed consent is given, it can only be of that specific person and not the rest of the team for privacy reasons. If you want me to get logs from my more recent matches, please let me know and I'll submit a ticket asking for the previous few.

Because the attitude you perpetuate now is not reportable. The reason you're considered "reformed" is because you are no longer being reported for toxic behavior towards your team and other players.

Everything is reportable, not everything is acted upon however. If something was reported enough times, then action will be taken regardless if it's following the rules or not. "Because the players decide what they want to see in their game"

Being self-loathing is not reportable

It is reportable. It was the reason why they temp banned me. For whatever reason it was also the reason they reformed me.

This is not the behavior the entire community wants to see. This the behavior the vocal minority wants to push onto players so they can harass and bully them easier without fear of retaliation.

If this was the case, then why are only the vocal minority getting what they want? If what you're saying is true, then the main reason why REAL toxic behavior is still running rampant is because the majority of the playerbase do nothing to say what they want in the game. Instead you have players like me who have to self-butcher myself verbally in order to please these select minority who seem to love reporting me regardless of what I do.

Do not assume because you are no longer being reported is because this behavior is what the community wants to see.

I know for a fact that im not being reported. Riot reformed me for doing this, so this is plenty evidence that self-mutilating my comments is what's making Riot happy. If this wasn't what Riot/Community wanted to see, something would have happened by now. They've had 13 months to permaban me, 7 months and counting after my temp-ban to say something as to what they want to see from me.

They tell me nothing = This is what they want from me.

I want to see someone who is upbeat, wants to have fun, or wants to be challenged at a video game.

I want to be like this again as well. However this is considered negative behavior because thin-skinned players take everything as an act of aggression, bait people into defending themselves and get away scot-free because the person who tells the person "No" for any reason is the one at fault. Not the person who tell people all game that their stupid and suck at the game.

I really suggest getting help or reaching out to someone. Talk your thoughts out as to why you feel the need to act like this. I promise it will help. Don't let thoughts like that cloud your judgement. That is not how anyone should hold themselves up in life, and on the fields of Justice.

I've been asking RIOT for this help. I've been reaching out to RIOT for the past 7 months. I've been talking my thoughts out TO RIOT and why they validate my behavior and say nothing as to what it should be changed to. They're the people with the behavioral specialists, yes? Why are they not using their behavioral authority to say "Do this and you're golden". That's all I've wanted from them for the past 13 months that I've been doing this depressing act. Just them to say "Do this", not "Follow our vague rules that you've already shown that you've been following. We wont tell you want exactly is right/wrong, but we'll let you figure it out yourself". I wan't something black and white to follow. THIS IS RIGHT, THIS IS WRONG. That's all I've wanted and they intentionally avoid giving me anything like this. It's not like the community here is doing anything to show what Right looks like. Look at all the people who act just as vague as Riot. They almost all say to follow the same exact vague rules that i've already been following rather than saying what right no matter what and what's wrong no matter what.

the majority of this was filled with Red Herrings.

To make a comparison to anything is a Red Herring. Unfortunately it's the only thing I can do to express that differences are there and similies are there as well.

Im sorry for my ramblings. I'm just tired of noone telling me, black and white, what's right and what's wrong. I can't work with vague messages that Riot keeps giving. I need actual guidance.

Desolas ArteriusAug 24, 20161 votes

Okay. So you want a black/white example of what to do and why you were reported before and what Riot wants to see now?

I'll give it to you plain and simple and even bold the sentences you should focus on the most:

You were reported for rude behavior (which is breaking the CoC) and were given many chances to reform yourself to avoid that behavior.

Instead of simply removing the negative behavior, you decided to do a 180 and become negative towards yourself.

Since being negative towards yourself is not reportable nor does it break the CoC/ToS, then Riot will not punish you nor look into your case any further.

This is still technically considered what the players what to see (regarding your previous toxic behavior) because THEY reported you. Riot simply looked into your account after it was flagged from reports over the course of numerous games. After they deemed the reports by players were correct, they issued warnings to you as well as minor punishments to encourage you to cease that certain behavior you were being reported for (AKA Toxicity/Negative Behavior).

Because you no longer show that specific behavior that got you reported by players, Riot considers that "reformed". They cannot do much outside of that nor do they have to hold your hand through anything once you've ceased being toxic and receiving reports.

It's that simple. There is no interpretation of that. It is cut and dry. **You were reported for X, stopped doing X, thus Riot no longer needs to focus on your account because X doesn't exist. **

Also, you cannot get reported "for anything". The new system prevents that much more than the Tribunal did. If a person reports you in a game, the system flags your account for review, not punishment. There is an automated machine that glosses over your logs to see if any key words trigger a punishment. If the logs were tame the system dismisses it and moves on. It's only when you were clearly using some of the most foul language, verbally assaulting, or whatever that it can punish you from one report. But those are very extreme cases. Like maybe less than 1%. Most of the time it takes multiple reports over multiple games to flag your account for manual review to see if punishment is needed to reform the player. Even then punishment is dealt out in tiers, so if you've already received the 14 day ban then you had continued showing the same behavior you were being reported for or worse, and will become permanently banned if you do not cease.

But to reiterate again; people cannot report you for anything unless you are clearly breaking the CoC/Tos, which includes but is not limited to; verbal abuse, racial/sexual derogatory words, scripting, 3rd party software use, threats, intentional feeding, and more. All of this is clearly stated, and every player is made aware of this through the Terms & Agreements you get every patch and any time you install the game. This is not new information. This has always been there.

As for guidance:

Stop playing the victim card. Stop being "woe is me Riot and everyone hates me". Stop acting like change is impossible. Stop exaggerating information to continue being a victim. Stop purposefully misinterpreting everything. Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

Start owning up for your mistakes. Start using positive words in your vocabulary. Start listening to advice others give. Start becoming more helpful, kind, and approachable. Start congratulating your team and the enemy team for good games and great plays, regardless if it's a win or lose.

Your life will be better once you stop blaming others and start owning up to your own mistakes. Learn from them and improve yourself by not committing those mistakes again. Don't rely on others to fix your problems for you. They cannot help someone who doesn't wish to help themselves.

Also, stop expecting Riot to solve this issue for you. They don't need to nor do they have the resources to give instructions to their millions of players to "not be a jerk". A blanket statement and rule is all people need. It's those that refuse to admit their own problems and mistakes that cannot follow it. Because they are already in the mindset that everything is someone else's fault, so they should help me do this.

There will be no more retorts, not more Red Herrings, no more blaming Riot and the community for your failings.

This is black and white. It's not easy to digest, but it's what you requested.

RedTaoAug 24, 20161 votes

Logs with what I was banned for http://prnt.sc/c9lg95 http://prnt.sc/c9lga8

Recent log from past few weeks

http://prnt.sc/c9lgqy

They're exactly the same. The toxicity is still there, yet you say I'm not doing what Riot banned me for. This, by the definition that you and the summoners code have in place, is toxic behavior. Why is there only an exception to my behavior now? Is this not still rude behavior? If not, explain how it's not rude? How are these two logs different and why is one an exception to punishment?

Since being negative towards yourself is not reportable nor does it break the CoC/ToS, then Riot will not punish you nor look into your case any further.

Where in these logs was I negative to anyone on my team that wasn't myself? Show it, because I don't see it. If you cant, then why is this case such an exeption that the CoC/ToS does not apply to it? Negative behavior is negative behavior, regardless of who it's directed to. By the Community/Riot's interpretation of the rules, it doesn't matter who it's directed to. So why does Riot continue to let me play when I've been showing such hate towards myself? Is it still not negative behavior?

This is still technically considered what the players what to see (regarding your previous toxic behavior) because THEY reported you.

So players don't actually want to see positive behavior, they just wan't to see player self butcher themselves verbally and take responsibility for everyone else's mistakes and failures? Because if this is the case, then toxicity will never leave LoL. The players have now made it a standard to accept toxicity. The fact that this behavior I display now for the past 13 months proves this. This is the reason why Toxicity will never leave the community. Players apperantly want it in their games.

They cannot do much outside of that nor do they have to hold your hand through anything once you've ceased being toxic and receiving reports.

You were reported for X, stopped doing X, thus Riot no longer needs to focus on your account because X doesn't exist. Again, the logs show that I'm continuing to be a toxic influence in games. By all means they should do something. I've ceased nothing in being a toxic influence in the games. Look at the logs yourself. X is still there.

Even then punishment is dealt out in tiers, so if you've already received the 14 day ban then you had continued showing the same behavior you were being reported for or worse, and will become permanently banned if you do not cease.

I've been doing this behaivor for 13 months now. Riot has said that I'm a "Positive player" at the same time telling me to cut it out. That's 13 months of the behavior you saw in the screenshots. If Riot's not going to do anything in this amount of time, then there's no point in changing anything in my behavior. Especially since they wont tell me what they want to see from me.

people cannot report you for anything unless you are clearly breaking the CoC/Tos, which includes but is not limited to; verbal abuse, racial/sexual derogatory words, scripting, 3rd party software use, threats, intentional feeding, and more.

This is a flat out lie. You can report anyone for anything. The only difference I would say in this is that some reports are true and others are not. There's nothing to stop someone from reporting everyone in their game for whatever reason they would like to come up with. Anyone can be reported for anything. It would be a more accurate statement to say YOU WONT BE PUNISHED FOR ANYTHING/EVERYTHING. Even which then, because players decide what they want to see in their games, that makes even that statement a false one. If players don't want to see something in their game, they report it and eventually punishment will be dealt.

Stop playing the victim card. Stop being "woe is me Riot and everyone hates me".

Start owning up for your mistakes.

When have I ever played the victim card? I've already acknowledged multiple times that my behavior is deplorable and does not belong in the game. I've also stated that because Riot does not tell me what they want to see from me and reformed me from acting the way you saw in the logs, there's no point in changing it to anything else.

Stop acting like change is impossible.

It IS impossible. Because my placement in the punishment tiers is not going down and my next punishment is forever going to be a permaban, the risk of saying anything different from what I'm doing now (see logs provided) is just too high. The risk does not make the reward valuable. Especially when players decide what they want to see in a game. If players would rather see me make a complete a** of myself, then that's what I have to do in order to not get permabanned.

Learn from them and improve yourself by not committing those mistakes again.

What's the point in improving myself and not commiting these mistakes again when Riot is now rewarding me for it and ignoring my behavior? Why? Give me a good reason why I should change anything in what I've been doing? It's not like players are reporting me anymore. I've already shown Riot and told they they have everything they need to permaban me, but they dont do anything. So why should I change anything? There's nothing to change to.

Don't rely on others to fix your problems for you. They cannot help someone who doesn't wish to help themselves.

Also, stop expecting Riot to solve this issue for you. They don't need to nor do they have the resources to give instructions to their millions of players to "not be a jerk". A blanket statement and rule is all people need.

It's clearly not enough for me. I need something that shows what Riot looks like, not vague hints as to what right MIGHT look like. I need "This is good, this is not" not "If you do something that looks right, it might not be right because it offends someone and it's not right anymore. Anything that offends other people, regardless if it's right, is wrong" Just look at the behaivor I'm now getting away with. This proves that the standards of what Riot want's to see in the game is not what you want to see in it. All I've ever asked for in these past 7 months is an example of what Right looks like. That's all. It could be a log, a conversation, ANYTHING. Instead I'm sent back to the same things that I already based my behavior off of. Sending me to the same document that I've already shown made me like this does not show me what Right looks like.

There will be no more retorts, not more Red Herrings, no more blaming Riot and the community for your failings.

And this is precisely why people like me are getting away for toxic/negative behavior. Because people who talk like this does nothing to stand up for what they believe is right. Not once in any of your responses did you show anything saying "This is what right looks like", which was all I've asked for.

MusAug 22, 20161 votes

On one my alt accounts, took me about 5 months to regain rewards. But I played nonstop with 100 games. I also let that account sit for some time thinking it was timebased. I heard some people who still have it when it was launch because of them going inactive.

Its all positive behavior and gameplay. Not time based The system tries to see you reform. So playing games, will eventually lead to reform. So just play your games like you would play your other games.

Hope this help a little, Your EveryDay Otaku San [slayer-jinx-catface]