Riot is actually taking this way too far.

0MAE WA MOU · 2017-05-18T19:09:10.664Z

I have a feeling this will get taken down, but that is exactly why I decided to make this post. What is this obsession with Tyler1. Why is riot going so far to punish this guy. Before you start saying how toxic he was and how he deserved it; take a look at what he has done recently. If any of you who detest him so much would take time to watch any of his streams he ALWAYS brings up his ban, and he ALWAYS advocates for being "reformed". Any time someone brags about int'ing on his stream he says not to do it, he is making every stride possible to become a better player. It has now been over a year that he can't even play the game he loves the most because Riot has gone out of their way to ban any account associated with his IP. He has resorted to binge-playing League where he creates an account and plays for 60 hours consecutively knowing any minute could be his last. In his last session he managed to keep this account for longer than any other, yet to no surprise another ban right after he achieved Masters rank. In my opinion this has gone way too far, I can't see how crucifying one toxic player and constantly making an example out of him makes Riot look good. In fact, his desperation to reform and show good behavior should be a perfect opportunity for Riot to capitalize on their system. They took the absolute worst(best) example of a toxic player and followed up on their ban system, now the thought of displaying toxic behavior in a game of League makes him shudder knowing the consequences - which is the purpose of the system. You can never change a person, you can change how they behave in your game though, which Riot has done. Tyler1 has more than repented for his behavior in game. He has done everything to show his regret, he has reached out to Riot, he has displayed good behavior in his Youtube videos, he advocates it to his viewers. What more purpose does making him the pariah of League of Legends do.. it only makes Riot look petty and childish holding a grudge over a 20 year old who has done everything to show they see the mistakes of their behavior. I think it's been long overdue - free Tyler1. edit -- To add on to this, due to the overlap of content between posts. Most people are bringing up his excessive amount of accounts banned. Yes, this is nothing to make excuses for. He knew what he was doing. I'm not saying he should be exempted from his behaviors like nothing happened. To look at it closer though, once one account is banned, there is no other "compounding punishment" that makes it feel any different than the last. In his mind it was "damn, one banned? oh well, I can make another". Again, not making excuses on his behalf, but there is a diminishing value on seeing "account banned" after a while I'm sure. Again, not advocating for total amnesty and having the slate wiped clean. I know he earned where he is through his toxic behavior. I know he had 20+ accounts banned (also due to the IP ban). But if any of you actually watched his content(which I'm 99.9% sure most of you don't based off the responses I've gotten) you'd see the pain in his face when League gets brought up. The guy is hurting, and wanting to undo what he's done to the community. Why can't we give him one final ultimatum to try, It couldn't hurt.

HethaleanMay 18, 20172 votes

Agreed. Jenson should likely have not had his ban lifted in my opinion. That is up to Riot. I was just saying my opinion.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

But this is what I'm trying to point out. Riot is being petty about this entire situation. No matter which way you look at it, they would benefit from giving him a "parole" unban. And if they're going to be so harsh on one, they should across the board.

HethaleanMay 18, 20175 votes

How is Riot being petty? This is not Riot being petty. If you want to compare it to Jenson, he was banned in 2013, and his audit was in 2015. That's ~2 years. Tyler hasn't even come up to 1 year yet. It's not petty. If you want it across the board, don't even bring this up until he's had equal punishment to Jenson.

Also "across the board treatment" does not mean that everyone gets unbanned. I wasn't there for jensen's ban, but tyler1 was definitely a repeat offender. Based on his previous behavior, I find it hard to believe this is a true reform for him. Even then, does it exonerate him? not in my opinion

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

If you've seen the entire situation you'd most likely side with what I said about it being petty. He has been in contact with Riot and had personal discussions with members of the team. Basically part of Riot agrees with his unban, but a certain few (he wouldn't disclose) are hellbent on making an example out of him. How they handle the Tyler1 situation is just unsettling. For example, I went to worlds last year at Madison Square Garden. At their sign making booth I was told "No signs of Pepe the frog(for being an 'alt-right hate symbol'), racial slurs(for obvious reasons), harambe(not sure why) and 'free Tyler1'". Why he was lumped in with that group goes to show the extent of how they are cracking down on anything related to him.

SarutobiMay 18, 20174 votes

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If you've seen the entire situation you'd most likely side with what I said about it being petty. He has been in contact with Riot and had personal discussions with members of the team. Basically part of Riot agrees with his unban, but a certain few (he wouldn't disclose) are hellbent on making an example out of him. How they handle the Tyler1 situation is just unsettling. For example, I went to worlds last year at Madison Square Garden. At their sign making booth I was told "No signs of Pepe the frog(for being an 'alt-right hate symbol'), racial slurs(for obvious reasons), harambe(not sure why) and 'free Tyler1'". Why he was lumped in with that group goes to show the extent of how they are cracking down on anything related to him.

Probably because it is an annoyance. Just the same with the whole Harambe meme. its just pathetic nowadays, it already happen and there is nothing to change that (at least for the time being) so just let it go. If he truly reform then he would move on as well and when he has proof that he has reformed and changed, not have fans basically post daily to "free" him. Actually look at to why Riot decided to do this instead of just blindly following someone. Would you have liked someone like Tyler1 in your game being toxic and feeding when things dont go their way? Stop making excuses, and claiming that he was a kid despite being well over the age of an adult is just sad. You should know how to act like a decent human while you are growing up, not after your 20's.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

I have had those kinds of games, a lot of them have been draven too. It's just part of the game, people are going to be toxic regardless, it doesn't matter if they had a Tyler1 to mimic or not. It just gives us a target to be mad at when there's a larger problem of toxicity. A lot of your phrasing seems rather hostile. I'm trying to be more objective and empathetic to the situation, whereas I can tell you're well set in your mentality.

SarutobiMay 18, 20172 votes

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I have had those kinds of games, a lot of them have been draven too. It's just part of the game, people are going to be toxic regardless, it doesn't matter if they had a Tyler1 to mimic or not. It just gives us a target to be mad at when there's a larger problem of toxicity. A lot of your phrasing seems rather hostile. I'm trying to be more objective and empathetic to the situation, whereas I can tell you're well set in your mentality.

WRONG. its not part of the game. or at least that is not what the community nor Riot wants hence why they ban people for doing stuff like that. It ruins the experience. When i play a game i want to be relaxed and enjoying it. Not having someone ruin it by feeding, or trolling, or being toxic. Why would you even want people like this in your games? Im by all means willing to accept he has reform. What you failed to have shown (as well as everyone who claims he has reform) is actually shown prove.

We have seen countless evidence of him trolling, feeding, and being toxic. What i havent seen is those same number of accounts of him actual reform. Ive seen maybe one video, basically a short clip of him claiming he changed, and that is it. Nothing else to warrant that he has actually changed for the better. Im not going to sit through how every many times he streams because i dont want to watch it. If you can prove to me he has changed by showing me evidence id change my stance, until then in my eyes he is still toxic, or at the very least someone who shown to me improved just for the fact he can get the streaming money. Its a personality i truly dislike. I rather someone be true/real than live up to the limelife because they are getting paid and people want to see him be toxic.

0MAE WA MOUMay 19, 20171 votes

Have you ever seen a game that has a E, T, M rating through the ESRB? Then if it's online it says "Online experience may change" (paraphrasing). That's due to the humans on the other end. You can never take into account other people and their interactions with you or others. Riot is no exception. In a world of sunshines and lollipops everyone would be nice and work together and say "Gg guys!" but we don't live in that world. That being said, players you run into may have a short fuse, and decide to ruin your game in one way or another. No matter what Riot does they cannot stop this. So this is part of league, in a grander scheme of things - a part of life.

Onto the evidence part, I urge you to watch any of his new youtube videos, or look at any opinion of the other popular streamers out there. Qtpie, IWD, Dyrus, Meteos, etc. Many of them have given their stance on the topic and agree it's time for him to be unbanned. There are many screenshots of people who have played with him and he displayed good behavior. There are many "gg"'s and "gj"'s being said by him. Even in his masters promos last week when he had 4 AFK's he continued to play and didn't flame once. In short, the evidence is everywhere, it really just depends if you're willing to accept the poster-boy for toxicity has truly reformed or not.

SarutobiMay 19, 20171 votes

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Have you ever seen a game that has a E, T, M rating through the ESRB? Then if it's online it says "Online experience may change" (paraphrasing). That's due to the humans on the other end. You can never take into account other people and their interactions with you or others. Riot is no exception. In a world of sunshines and lollipops everyone would be nice and work together and say "Gg guys!" but we don't live in that world. That being said, players you run into may have a short fuse, and decide to ruin your game in one way or another. No matter what Riot does they cannot stop this. So this is part of league, in a grander scheme of things - a part of life.

Onto the evidence part, I urge you to watch any of his new youtube videos, or look at any opinion of the other popular streamers out there. Qtpie, IWD, Dyrus, Meteos, etc. Many of them have given their stance on the topic and agree it's time for him to be unbanned. There are many screenshots of people who have played with him and he displayed good behavior. There are many "gg"'s and "gj"'s being said by him. Even in his masters promos last week when he had 4 AFK's he continued to play and didn't flame once. In short, the evidence is everywhere, it really just depends if you're willing to accept the poster-boy for toxicity has truly reformed or not.

Yes, but in the real world we have consequences for our actions. Could you imagine had he said/done those things at his job? They would have fired him would they not? It would be the equivalent of going to your job and not doing anything, or harassing another employee/customer because someone else said/did something to you. At the same time the ESRB cannot regulate every single aspect of the game especially when other people are involved. Riot can because they have a department just for that, so im not sure why you brought that up because it is completely irrelevant towards Tyler1.

If the evidence are true why are you not presenting them? Why must i do your job for you? you claimed he reform, but dont show evidence basically telling me to just look for it. You need to back up your claims with evidence! With that said though i would rather get the opinions of people actually playing with him, not some buddy-buddy pro players who all know each other.

HethaleanMay 18, 20172 votes

Don't make assumptions on my reasoning. I'm perfectly capable of making judgments and assumptions. Unless you are Tyler1 himself, I doubt you know the entire situation as well. You know what he's told you. I've watched his reformed stream, and hear things he has claimed. I don't find them convincing. Maybe Riot does want to make an example out of him. I would say that he was trying to make an example out of Riot for a long time and trying to ruin tons of other people's experiences as well. When you're at the level Tyler1 made sure he was at, I'm not that upset by someone wanting you to be an example.

Here's another reason that I don't find him particularly convincing. He cannot accept his punishment. If league was a game that he cared for so much, then I doubt the number of unbans and then permaban would have been the level of punishment he would have needed to reform.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

Right, and I've stated it before, I think Riot would have more going on their crusade to stamp out toxicity if they had the poster-boy of toxic behavior preaching reformed behavior. You seem rather hostile with your phrasing, I never once questioned your intelligence or reasoning. I merely implied that you seem to be logical, and if you knew both sides of what was going on (as best as we could) you'd be singing a different tune. Nothing to be offended by.

HethaleanMay 18, 20171 votes

While it is normally interpreted as such, it is not actually inherently hostile to let someone know not to make assumptions on their opinions or assessments. It's just letting someone know that "if you knew better, you obviously would think different" is a dismissive outlook. I try to be logical as I can usually. Sometimes I fail as we all do. I'm sure very few people know both sides: Tyler1, important managers at Riot, and the people he's directly contacted.

I'm quite cynical myself in scenarios involving toxic (potentially previously toxic and why my previous list is quite short), and would be interested if Tyler1 has indeed reformed. Though I'm not sure how that would look in the end if he had reformed as it took quite a lot to get him to reform in that case.

0MAE WA MOUMay 19, 20171 votes

I urge you to look into it further if you're interested on how he has/has not changed. That is up to you to determine. I've watched him out of curiosity over the past few months, seen his youtube content(and that pertaining to league) and seen first hand accounts of games with Tyler when he had no reason to "impress" or decieve the audience, through screenshots of people who have played with him, forum posts, etc. I remain skeptical until I find enough evidence to make a decision I deem logical. So I find you and I are similar in that sense.

Just through observation, I can see the "pain" (not to dramatize it) in his face when he brings up league, or the ban is the topic at hand. That compounded with what seems to be a genuine attempt to be a more friendly player and less toxic, and attempting to nullify and sort of "shame" players who are toxic - to me - seems like a real attempt to change. He earned where he is now, by all means. But it pains me to see someone genuinely trying (I believe) to change themselves, and still getting punished for a past they aren't associated with anymore. Thats my perspective, you're up to your own interpretation on the topic. I thank you for having a humble discussion, and my apologies for the error in communication.

HethaleanMay 19, 20171 votes

No need to apologize. Communication is two way, and I'm sure that I could have phrased it better!

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20179 votes

Jenson didn't take 20 plus accounts to show he had reformed, he made a mistake, given a second chance and is not wasting it. Tyler took pride in all his bans even stating himself as "the most toxic player", Riot gave him plenty of chances to improve his behavior and he wasted all of them.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20173 votes

Most of those 20 plus accounts were the product of his IP ban. And yes, he wore it on his sleeve. Which was not something to condone or make excuses for. But he was ~20 years old. A kid. And his streaming career was taking off due to his toxic "brand". Of course he embraced it. Now that he has the choice between making a 6 figure salary streaming or playing league, he picks league. He hasn't been on twitch in weeks because he thought riot had unbanned him.

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20175 votes

One and probably a really important one, I am 18 and have been playing since I was 14, haven't been banned once dude "20 years old" you are an adult, learn to grow up.

two, most of those 20 bans came before the permanent ban, where they started to check his Ip to stop him from playing.

three, if your career is building cause YOU call yourself toxic then it is a mistake, he should have known that earlier and stopped himself, not embrace it.

He had plenty of second chances, he became a role model for toxic players and encouraged it, to his fans before his ban, He doesn't deserve any other chances.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20172 votes

Right, but this is where I ask on peoples human nature. He's human. We're all human. Why are we so cold and vindictive to a human. Give him a REAL second chance. I get he had other accounts and whatnot, but make it clear as day. "If you infringe on the rules 1 more time. You're done. Forever." I mean... as taxpayers we spend money for convicts to do it. Why can't we just see it from good morals to give someone an ultimatum.

SarutobiMay 18, 20172 votes

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Right, but this is where I ask on peoples human nature. He's human. We're all human. Why are we so cold and vindictive to a human. Give him a REAL second chance. I get he had other accounts and whatnot, but make it clear as day. "If you infringe on the rules 1 more time. You're done. Forever." I mean... as taxpayers we spend money for convicts to do it. Why can't we just see it from good morals to give someone an ultimatum.

But again he had other chances, he was told countless times his attitude wasnt welcome hence why Riot had to do what they did. If he didnt learn from all others other chances why do you think he will actually learn from this one when it obviously did nothing all those other times?

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

I think now he fully understands the sting of a year ban. After he understood the punishment and how it finally felt to have real justice brought down on him he fully repented and did a 180. If you were to watch anything recent of his (within the last 6 months) you can see a full change in his demeanor. Nobody can understand what a punishment that severe feels like until it actually happens. And I've said it before, I think it would serve Riot better to make him a pinnacle of "reformed justice after ban" rather than keep him in the depths of hell.

JorenciceMay 19, 20172 votes

Lol dude your being a little fucking dramatic.

I have had plenty of friends perms banned from games and they just shrug and don't play it again.

It's just a fucking game...

Also this isn't his first perma ban. So obviously the "severe punishment" didn't bother him in the slightest.

ModThe DjinnMay 18, 20173 votes

{quoted}Give him a REAL second chance. I get he had other accounts and whatnot, but make it clear as day.

When you get your 14-day ban it explicitly states that further bans will be permanent. He HAD his last chance. That's the issue here. There comes a time when you run out of last chances.

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20173 votes

Human... are you really bringing a "he is human" into this discussion? Guess what, so where the other players that had to suffer his toxicity, so are the other players that have to suffer the toxicity of his fans. Why should others suffer since he "can't grow up" and "I wanted a 6 figure paycheck".
Toxicity is an awful thing with real consequences, there are literal reports of kids killing themselves for it, and you want me to feel bad for him. No kid learn to see that he did wrong and if he truly reformed and respects the game he would just stop, trying to get people to fight for him.

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

I mean... I think him running down mid is probably not anywhere near enough to cause someone to kill themselves. That seems a little extreme. And if so they were most likely predispositioned to do it anyways. I've said it many times this thread - it would do Riot more good to unban him rather than keep him crucified as an example.

JorenciceMay 19, 20172 votes

It wouldn't do any good at all.

It would literally just let toxic people know that there is 0 consequences to being toxic.

All you need to do is get famous enough that tons of dumbasses will fight for your freedom even though Tyler 1 gives 0 shit about them as a person.

Baka RedMay 19, 20172 votes

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Right, but this is where I ask on peoples human nature. He's human. We're all human. Why are we so cold and vindictive to a human. Give him a REAL second chance. I get he had other accounts and whatnot, but make it clear as day. "If you infringe on the rules 1 more time. You're done. Forever." I mean... as taxpayers we spend money for convicts to do it. Why can't we just see it from good morals to give someone an ultimatum.

I thought he got nineteen second chances already. My math skills aren't that great, but even I think there is something wrong with the math there. Does he really need yet another 'second chance'? I think not. Also, you mentioned in some post that he had potential for 6 figure salary. Maybe he should have thought about that when he got his first ban, and second, and I don't really know how many times he has been banned. Anyways, in my opinion that second chance has been given plenty of times already and he wasted every one of them. It is time for him to rethink how he is going to get that salary now. Unfortunately for him, the punishment by Riot quite simply tells us that it won't be in the League.

HethaleanMay 18, 20171 votes

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Now that he has the choice between making a 6 figure salary streaming or playing league, he picks league.

My guess is that Twitch would also step in similar to Riot if he kept up his behavior for every game. Youtube would probably be similar. I don't see it as 'him picking league' but as him being like "OH SHIT, this affects my bottom line! My brand is going to be cut off anyway! I need to hedge my bets and see if I can salvage a job with a different brand."

0MAE WA MOUMay 18, 20171 votes

Riot reached out to Twitch, he was able to stream on his new accounts before they were IP banned until Riot had a nice word with him. So now he's not allowed to stream League on Twitch or else he's perma'd from twitch as well. He has been Toxic in other games, but across the board he has exemplified good behavior. I always see him stopping and catching himself and rephrasing his sentences to be more friendly and not so toxic. Its a matter of perspective, I suppose. I see him as another person, not a pariah to sentence to eternal damnation for his past.

HethaleanMay 18, 20177 votes

He is another person, and like the rest of us, we have to face the consequences of our actions. I'm still not unconvinced that his behavior is not more aligned with $$ than his desire to play league. That's just my own personal judgement. I'm not going to think about whether not unbanning him is fair as I feel permanently banning him was a good decision. You mentioned in other posts that 'a 1 time trial'. He had those. Lots of those. He's had enough of those in my opinion.

He's had enough that I wouldn't crusade for it by trying to turn it on Riot for being the bad guy. Saying 'it is too far' is hinting that he SHOULD BE UNBANNED and Riot is being rediculous in not doing so. This is not the case. Tyler1 had plenty of chances, and it's not something Riot HAS to do.

Not xPekeMay 18, 20171 votes

Jensen would actually hack/ddos, find out people's address. Literally threaten them he'd find them IRL, tell them to fight him and that he knew where they lived, etc.

I don't care what you say about Jensen and the number of accounts Tyler1 had banned, but what Jensen did is much worse than anything Tyler1 has ever done. Jensen was not only toxic but he CHEATED to win.

Actual ddos, real threats after finding someones location, country, town. C'mon. That's much worse than someone running it down mid or swearing at you in chat.

Having said this, I love Jensen and he HAS reformed. So I'm totally happy he's been allowed to play again, even in competitive. I'd like to add that like Fallenreaper88 said, there IS precedence for Tyler1's ban to be lifted. And quite frankly I don't see why it shouldn't be at some point. Recently, videos of Tyler1 playing have surfaced thanks to playing with famous players while they were streaming. You can observe a change in his behaviour. Monitor it a bit longer, and keep the door open for an unban. That's all I'm saying.

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20172 votes

This is new information to me, care to share a reliable link where I can look at this to investigate it more

Not xPekeMay 18, 20171 votes

Well I can quickly point out this 2 minute video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBC_lqlSwo

There's screenshots and a couple snaps of interviews, it kinda explains what went on with Jensen basically. If you pause at 0:52 you can read properly what the ruling was on Jensen's ban.

I know it's just a youtube vid not an official board or whatever, but I'm sure you can find other information out there. There were plenty of reddit posts and LoL news outlet talking about Jensens reinstatement while also explaining why he was banned initially.

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20171 votes

Though a youtube video is not really the most reliable someone else linked it. I don't speak for Riot and I don't know the actual discussion for this but I see that though he has done it multiple times, it was his first ban, please correct me if I am wrong, and I am a believer of second chances (not 21). I ain't one hundred percent sure how I feel with this info but at the moment I can't say I approve of Riots choice here.

Not xPekeMay 18, 20171 votes

Nah it wasn't his first ban, he was permanently banned on 2 accounts before that, but also had other numerous more bans (or rather suspensions + chat restrictions) in addition to the 2 perma bans.

I understand the video may not be as reliable as we wish it to be, but it did have actual board screenshots and stuff. At least it wasn't just a fanboy just stating something without any evidence at all. I'd personally still see this video as true.

I'd like to add that what you say is true. Second chances are fair, 21 is already too many. No arguing there. However if Tyler1 TRULY reforms, would you not be open to consider lifting his ban? He had more than enough chances, I get that. But what's truly important here? Isn't it important to see someone change for the better? And IF he actually has changed, should we really let his past haunt him?

Anyway, Jensen was reviewed and monitored something like a year and a half after his player ban. So, while Tyler1 is indeed showing improvement, he might have to wait a while longer for Riot to truly consider him changed. Afterall unless I'm mistaken it hasn't even been a full year since he was indefinitely suspended (correct me if I'm wrong please).

Going back to Jensen, if I'm honest I don't think Riot made a wrong choice in unbanning him. It's obviously easy to say that now that we know Jensen the way he is now. They took a chance on him, and it paid off. I probably wouldn't have approved of their choice back then. However knowing what we know now, I don't see much wrong with it. He's a great player and also seems to be a great guy that left his toxic days behind him and truly reformed.

I can only hope Tyler1 does the same, and one day who knows, he might be unbanned as well. It would be a true shame for Riot to unban Tyler1 and for him to ruin it all by being toxic again though. That's why they have to be careful, that would really harm Riot as a company. It's probably why Riot cannot afford to unban Tyler1 unless they are certain he's worth it. So yeah, I guess it'll take some more time.

My personal opinion? He's improved ALOT. From the recent clips that have come out he does seem like he's a completely different player. If I were Riot I still wouldn't unban him yet though. I'd need more time to study his behaviour. I'd leave the door open though for the future.

EDIT: I'd like to add that Jensen's ban was a LIFETIME ban, Tyler1's was an indefinite suspenion. Jensen's mistakes were more severe than Tyler1 hence awarding him a lifetime ban.

ForgottenLuckMay 19, 20171 votes

I mean looking into it a bit more Jenson was not allowed back into the game until 2015 where the ban was in 2013, basically spending two years not allowed to play. I don't agree with Riot's unbanning of Jenson, yet feel more lenient to it than Tylers for just how tyler was proud of the fact he was toxic, I can't say I can trust people like that to change and don't feel like Riot should allow him back into the game. I know it might sound a bit hypocritical, yet the one thing that ruins this game for me is toxicity, tyler took pride in it, and I can't agree with him coming back to the game without at least a 3-year ban and not being allowed to play rank since I feel like he lost the right to do so.

Not xPekeMay 19, 20171 votes

Yep, it took longer for Jensen to be reinstated, so if Tyler1 hopes for his ban to be lifted I would expect some more time to pass before it happens.

I completely get what you mean Tyler1 was proud to be toxic, it's how he got famous. Let me ask you this though: Could you somehow believe that he was putting a show on? He used his toxicity to gain game. To put himself on a spectacle and attract more people to his stream/youtube. We don't know if he was truly a horrible human being. For all we know he might have used that side of him for popularity.

This is something that actually happens alot in life. Some people exaggerate, put on a show (negative or positive doesn't matter to them) to be more popular, they also fake their personality, etc. Some people put barriers up and act tough, or act like they have no feelings, they don't care about anyone, etc. Eventually they do get "exposed" and you realise that hey, he's not so bad. You get what I'm saying? Not sure if I'm explaining it as well as I could. I don't know if this is the case with Tyler1 but it might be. Even when he was at the peak of his toxicity there were moments where he would see him to be genuine, kind, and all that sort of stuff. So who knows, maybe he was putting up a show. He saw an easy and quick way to become famous and embraced it.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make it right in the slightest. I'm not saying he wasn't toxic, god he really was. But what I'm saying is that it might have been stretched, almost becoming a parody, an entertainment. However, it can give us insight on his actual toxicity and whatnot.

Ap Mid BurstMay 18, 20172 votes

He was DDOS'ing, which is much worse and from what I know, illegal. He even had multiple warnings AND had a lifetime ban

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1122163

A lifetime ban is lifetime, while indefinite means however long riot chose. So by that logic, riot should be more lenient on Tyler1 than Jenson.

IMO, riot should give tyler1 a second chance because they gave Jenson a second chance.

ForgottenLuckMay 18, 20171 votes

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that Jensens 1st ban, different from tylers 21st ban. I don't know how I feel about this knowledge, but same as how Riot made a decision for tyler they did the same for Jensen. Now on a personal thing, the one thing that destroys this game to me is toxicity which was what tyler took pride in doing so, I dislike him greatly for it, I don't really agree with Riot on this decision, yet can't say it within me to say it is bad.

Ap Mid BurstMay 19, 20171 votes

I know, I dislike him also for toxicity. However, the post says that Jensen has a long history of DDOSING. Even if it was his first ban, ddoing is MUCH worse than toxicity.

You may not agree with Riots decision to unban Jensen, but it did result in a reformed player.

EDIT: He has been banned twice before his LCS ban

ForgottenLuckMay 19, 20171 votes

I can't find it in myself to agree with you on DDOSING (though illegal) seeing the effects of toxicity first hand, but that is a personal thing. I also should point out that Jensen wasn't allowed in the game till 2 years after (being allowed back in 2015 when he was banned in 2013), where tyler still only has 1 year at most, personally I would want 3 year ban on him and restriction from rank if he were allowed back into the game.

Not xPekeMay 19, 20171 votes

Sorry, but DDOSING and cheating is much worse than toxicity.

Toxicity has a simple fix: /mute. Toxicity also affects people subjectively - not at the same degree.

CHEATING affects everyone to the highest extent possible in all instances. You can't mute a cheater, you can't ignore a cheater, you can't rise above a cheater. The cheater will just cheat you out of a fair game.

Sure, the effects of toxicity can be severe, but in almost every aspect cheating is worse than verbal abuse. Both related to cheating on a game online and cheating in an IRL competition or even cheating in life in general. Cheating is worse in my opinion.

ForgottenLuckMay 19, 20171 votes

Say that when you see someone you care kill themselves because of toxicity, say that when you find their body with a note beside it that has tears as one wrote it. Cheating sucks but it affects the game, not the individual. Toxicity affects the player, and it makes one wish he saw it sooner.

Not xPekeMay 19, 20171 votes

:C I'm sorry to hear that if that happened to you.

I do see where you're coming from, honestly I do and it's really sad. But realistically speaking that is probably an outlier.

Obviously in these cases it depends on the situation and I'm not sure you want to get into more details and that's more than fair enough. Thing is the way I see it what you described is rare though. It doesn't mean it's not bad, but it's not a common occurance to lead the majority of people to see toxicity as worse than cheating.

However this just became a more sensitive matter now, maybe I should just avoid saying anything else. Don't wanna annoy anyone. Sorry about that mate.

EDIT: oops double posted lol.

DrCyanideMay 18, 20172 votes

Jensen was reviewed after 18 months of laying low.

I don't recall daily posts of "Free Incarnati0n!", nor do I recall people thinking the behavior that lead to his player ban was acceptable (I was seeing people mimicing Tyler1 in game before his ban, literally saying they could get away with feeding because he was).

If his fans are right and he actually has changed, then in ~6 months time his player ban will be lifted. In the meantime if he wants to avoid having accounts banned away from him he should probably stop using those accounts in streams and vods, otherwise Riot will do what they said up front and ban those accounts on sight.

ShonjlMay 18, 20171 votes

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Then by that logic jenson should be removed from c9 stipped of all his accomplishments and indefinately banned again because he was player banned years ago but he showed reform and was allowed to play and it now a pro player. Am i saying tyler1 should be reinstated immediately? No but i am saying there is a precedence for indefinate bans being lifted.

There is a difference between being banned once and like 15 perma bans Tyler1 has been. If you are going to make an arguement, at least don't sound like an idiot while doing it.

Most people when they get banned ONCE usually learn their lesson, most that don't that get PERMABANNED either don't come back or learn their lesson when they make a new account, if that still doesn't do it, you have no right ever returning.

That guy did it got perma banned so often that it was pathetic. He did what he did and got what he deserves. Truthfully that man has no right to even have an internet connection.

Warlord ScrapMay 18, 20171 votes

Your talking about someone beeing banned for toxicity honestly read your statement. And no accourding to section 2.2 of the tou that you and i and every other league player has agreed to god knows how many times once a player is banned riot can ban any of there other accounts. again tyler1 is toxic yes and hes inted yes but jensen straight up cheated like how are you saying what tyler1 did is worse.

Riot is actually taking this way too far.

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