🔒 RIOT your ban/suspension system sucks

WTFGuysICaldMid·Mar 5, 2016·3 votes·2,930 views

I have been suspended for 14 days. I am a repeat offender. I am not contesting the suspension. What I am contesting is the reasoning. In the 3 total games that the chat messages were linked for my suspension, the worst thing I said was YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS. I have never called someone racial, homophobic or other slurs. In 2 of the 3 games, there was a player on my team being SUPER toxic to myself and other teammates and I was reacting to their garbage, but I STILL didn't say anything that warrants a 14 day suspension. I get what you guys are trying to do, but what I don't get is how the trolls who have racist names, called people racist and other slurs, don't get insta-banned, but I get a 14 day suspension for calling people idiots. I have played this game since almost the beginning and I have not seen the player attitudes get one drop better even after all your bullcrap pre-game messages about friendly players performing better. I see the same stupid trolls every other game. Had one quit earlier today because a teammate flashed to KS him. So he just rage quit a ranked game. After intentionally feeding and talking trash of course. Maybe you guys should put some effort into your banning/suspension system. Ranked play gets heated. People are going to say stupid things. Stupid things should not result in a 14 day suspension. CONSTANT flaming and racial/homophobic/other slurs should result in suspensions/bans. It's an online game. People are going to say bad words and call each other idiots once in a while when they are frustrated. Stop making it more than it is.

TL:DR - I was wrong. I got suspended. The ban/suspension system makes things out to be way worse than they are. It's stupid.

28 Comments

Deep Terror NamiMar 5, 20169 votes

It's less about the severity and more about the consistency that you do it. Sure you can get banned immediately for extreme toxicity such as hate speech or death threats, but minor offenses will stack up and eventually result in a punishment if you keep doing it. Just because it is minor doesn't mean it's ok.

TwoChikfilaSauceJul 23, 20171 votes

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It's less about the severity and more about the consistency that you do it. Sure you can get banned immediately for extreme toxicity such as hate speech or death threats, but minor offenses will stack up and eventually result in a punishment if you keep doing it. Just because it is minor doesn't mean it's ok.

Sure it does, and the fact someone can't deal with mean words on the internet such as, "you're terrible", is indicative of a deeper problem. I mean the horror, right? Someone getting called terrible? No one should EVER have to experience such vitriol! Am I right?

MeilinIIMar 5, 20165 votes

Just because you're not AS toxic as other people doesn't mean you arn't toxic. The Summoner's Code says THOU SHALT NOT BE NEGATIVE so "YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS" is absolutely banworthy.

WTFGuysICaldMidMar 5, 20162 votes

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Just because you're not AS toxic as other people doesn't mean you arn't toxic. The Summoner's Code says THOU SHALT NOT BE NEGATIVE so "YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS" is absolutely banworthy.

It's a GAME. A RANKED GAME. People are serious. I want to win. When my teammates flame or intentionally troll, I get pissed off. That doesn't get taken into consideration. It's just that I reacted and I deserve a ban. That's a crock.

MeilinIIMar 5, 20163 votes

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It's a GAME. A RANKED GAME. People are serious. I want to win. When my teammates flame or intentionally troll, I get pissed off. That doesn't get taken into consideration. It's just that I reacted and I deserve a ban. That's a crock.

It's not a crock, because YOU are responsible for what you type. It sucks to be in a losing game, but that doesn't make it okay to break rules. You being pissed off is not grounds to be an asshole. Reactions don't excuse your behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right.

WTFGuysICaldMidMar 5, 20161 votes

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It's not a crock, because YOU are responsible for what you type. It sucks to be in a losing game, but that doesn't make it okay to break rules. You being pissed off is not grounds to be an asshole. Reactions don't excuse your behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Right. I'm not saying it does or how I react is okay. I am saying that a 14 day suspension for REACTING to someone deliberately trolling or feeding is pretty extreme. It's a crock. We can agree to disagree.

MeilinIIMar 5, 20163 votes

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Right. I'm not saying it does or how I react is okay. I am saying that a 14 day suspension for REACTING to someone deliberately trolling or feeding is pretty extreme. It's a crock. We can agree to disagree.

It's not a crock, it's part of the rules you agree to every patch, and on top of that, it's how life works. "This customer was mean to me" is not gonna stop your boss from firing you if you retaliate. And you better learn to follow said rules or your next step is a perma.

INSTANT FEEDBACK SYSTEM FAQ PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction

Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction

Third Offense: Two Week Suspension

Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

WTFGuysICaldMidMar 5, 20162 votes

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It's not a crock, it's part of the rules you agree to every patch, and on top of that, it's how life works. "This customer was mean to me" is not gonna stop your boss from firing you if you retaliate. And you better learn to follow said rules or your next step is a perma.

It doesn't go in that order. I was 14 day suspended 2 seasons ago for a similar reason and got chat banned after that. I am just going to mute everyone at the start of every game when I can log in again. I love the game, but I cannot tolerate trolls and not respond. It's just not who I am. I would be pretty upset with a perma ban. I never disputed that I deserved punishment. Perma-chat ban me. I don't care. But a perm ban from the game is just bullshit and stupid.

MeilinIIMar 5, 20162 votes

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It doesn't go in that order. I was 14 day suspended 2 seasons ago for a similar reason and got chat banned after that. I am just going to mute everyone at the start of every game when I can log in again. I love the game, but I cannot tolerate trolls and not respond. It's just not who I am. I would be pretty upset with a perma ban. I never disputed that I deserved punishment. Perma-chat ban me. I don't care. But a perm ban from the game is just bullshit and stupid.

It does go in that order, but this system only went into effect last season. You got 14 days 2 years ago, but got chatbans since the new system and now you're on a 14-day again. Under the current system, you're about to be perma'd if you don't change FAST. Again, "It's just not who I am" is not an excuse that works here or in the real world. Whether it's being fired from a job or banned from league, the punishments are just.

Kei143Mar 6, 20162 votes

that is how it works right now. next punishment is a permaban.

if you maintain toxic-free for 3 months, you will drop a punishment tier. so at that point, if you get punished again, it will be a 14-day ban instead of a permaban.

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

WRONG!!!! WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!

I stopped playing the game for over 3 and a half years (almost 4 years) in 2013 after riot crashed at the END of my promo out of gold (game 5 of 5, I won it and should have been promoted but it crashed in the after game lobby) and long story short, when I came back not only did they still have a leaver buster timer penalty on me (because according to their game, crashes in end game lobby meant I LEFT the game, even though EVERYBODY crashed) and they refused to over turn it, and then they banned me not even 2 games later PERMANENTLY (after 3 and a half years of toxic free behavior) because I complained in chat I didn't like the rengar reworks. LITERALLY. Not offensive to ANYBODY except "damn I hate what riot did with rengar. This is garbage, his ult is basically eve's passive" and BAM they PERMANENTLY BANNED MY ACCOUNT after OVER THREE AND A HALF YEARS of no bad behavior. They hold onto their reports FOREVER and they ban for ANY LITTLE TINY WORD YOU SAY.

You don't know what you're talking about but I sincerely hope they do it to you, so you DO finally ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND how RIDICULOUSLY unfair it is.

Kei143Jul 22, 20171 votes

buddy, don't go necroing threads a year ago.

So much information has changed since then.

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

Get off the internet. Just..... get off. Seriously. Go away. Don't come back. You lack the maturity to handle the internet.

TwoChikfilaSauceJun 2, 20172 votes

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Just because you're not AS toxic as other people doesn't mean you arn't toxic. The Summoner's Code says THOU SHALT NOT BE NEGATIVE so "YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS" is absolutely banworthy.

Negativity is subjective and if someone can't handle being called an idiot they shouldn't be playing online games.

VikådinJul 22, 20172 votes

Exactly. If you choose not to be offended, there is no offense. But if you choose to be offended because somebody likes blue and the colour blue offends you, well... LOOK OUT!!! Riot will come after you with the BAN HAMMER!!!!! HOW DARE YOU OFFEND OUR PLAYERS!!!!

If you can't handle certain letter combinations without having a tantrum and crying to riot, you should be banned from the internet. Seriously. We don't let babies eat steak, they're simply not equipped to handle it. No teeth. You cry babies crying to riot are exactly that; babies. You can't chew the steak so we should prevent you from having access to it. That is what is fair and what makes sense.

if you report people for anything less than blatant feeding and trolling, instead of "just muting them" you should be banned from the internet. All of the internet. Because it's proof you're incapable of handling what the internet is, just as a baby is incapable of chewing a steak.

Grow up.

TwoChikfilaSauceJul 23, 20171 votes

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Exactly. If you choose not to be offended, there is no offense. But if you choose to be offended because somebody likes blue and the colour blue offends you, well... LOOK OUT!!! Riot will come after you with the BAN HAMMER!!!!! HOW DARE YOU OFFEND OUR PLAYERS!!!!

If you can't handle certain letter combinations without having a tantrum and crying to riot, you should be banned from the internet. Seriously. We don't let babies eat steak, they're simply not equipped to handle it. No teeth. You cry babies crying to riot are exactly that; babies. You can't chew the steak so we should prevent you from having access to it. That is what is fair and what makes sense.

if you report people for anything less than blatant feeding and trolling, instead of "just muting them" you should be banned from the internet. All of the internet. Because it's proof you're incapable of handling what the internet is, just as a baby is incapable of chewing a steak.

Grow up.

Freaking preach it!

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

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Just because you're not AS toxic as other people doesn't mean you arn't toxic. The Summoner's Code says THOU SHALT NOT BE NEGATIVE so "YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS" is absolutely banworthy.

And this is EXACTLY what I am talking about, diseased mentality of the player base. You're sick in the head and need a doctor. You should be banned from the internet, you're obviously not mature enough to handle it.

ONLY in North America are the players such CRY BABY CHILDREN they have to whine to their riot mommy to ban people who said mean things to them on the internet. The bans and suspensions are just a symptom of an underlying disease, which is that we promote whiners and weak minded children and enable them (through systems such as this one) to feel vindicated when they whine and cry to somebody they consider an authority figure.

WTFGuysICaldMidMar 5, 20162 votes

I honestly think they should just take the chat system out of this game. The only time people chat is to talk trash or flame or say something dumb at the start of the game. Deep, I definitely agree with you. I do it way too much, but I have never trolled someone for a whole game or nonstop. I will say, 'That was a stupid ass play' or something like that. Is it right? No. Is it extreme? No. Does it deserve a ban? Hell no. Permanent ban me from chat, but banning me from the game entirely for 2 weeks isn't going to change who I am. It just pisses me off. It's not about how much money I've spent or how many GOOD games I've played. It's just that I said someone was an idiot 3 times over a week period. I've genuinely been LIGHTYEARS better behaved since I got my chat ban. I've been trying to be a good teammate and not bitch. I climbed from Bronze 3 to Gold 1 over the last few days. You don't do that by flaming your team. This was extreme and stupid. Riot wants a community of 9 year olds that don't say swear words or mean things. That isn't the gaming community. 5 minutes on Call of Duty will show you that.

AthinaMar 6, 20162 votes

If you really feel that way, why use the chat system at all? Just drag it off the screen. It's that simple. There is no reason to let everyone know you are mad at them. More often than not, they know what is going wrong. Yelling at them for it helps no one, and can only frustrate you more if they respond with something you don't like. It's a vicious cycle where no one wins. And if you don't start taking steps to change the way you present yourself to others in this game, I highly expect you to be back here in a month complaining about your permaban.

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

Have I been playing this game for almost 7 years and never knew you could just drag the chat box off the screen? I'm going to try this. Would be easier than my /mute all at the start of every game.

It's funny because you just said the words but you still don't get it.

"Why use the chat system at all"

Why indeed? Take it out. If you're banning all these players all the time because of CHAT, just TAKE CHAT OUT OF THE GAME. TAKE IT OUT. The only reason NOT to just TAKE CHAT OUT OF THE GAME COMPLETELY is because riot LIKES banning people and making them spend more money rebuying their champs and skins. That's it. But you're too blind to see that.

You are the problem with league. The disease that infected and destroyed it since they started this whole banning campaign. The tribunal. What a joke. Letting idiots vote on important things is suicide, just ask Socrates.

dXwP62e8N9Nov 6, 20162 votes

Kinda with WTFGuysICaldMid, If you are that concerned with chat and tip toeing around peoples feelings in a GAME then you need to also start banning accounts for offensive names which I see all to often. My feelings are hurt in game because I have to play with a dude named PermaFeeD etc. and if I don't then I have to take a point loss regardless how minimal and it affects my game play. Unacceptable I demand justice.

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

I was going to make comments about how they should start banning people for trolly champ picks but there is already a precedent of riot banning players for taking nunu support and singed support.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

FrozthellMar 5, 20161 votes

#feelsbadman

VikådinJul 22, 20171 votes

You're completely right, morally speaking. Riot has no right to ban and suspend so many people because some of their player base are over sensitive, over grown toddlers with severe allergic reactions to certain combinations of letters. It is sickening, the way league continues to promote this baby-fied system of punishing anybody who dares to speak. I actually got an e-mail from riot saying I should "mute everybody or risk my account being punished."

The solution as a player, as an individual, is simple. When you get into a game, EVERY GAME, no matter WHAT you hope or think might be said in terms of team communication, type /mute all. Keep their pings visible so you can see pings, but mute chat completely. Never say ANYTHING, not even GG or GJ or WP or ANYTHING, because when the report goes in they only read YOUR chat log, not the log for the entire game. They will ban you, just as an example, for answering a question asked to you, if upon reading the transcript later it looks like you said something negative. For example, my last 14 day suspension quoted a game wherein a player joined, trolled the hell out of everybody, spamming and macroing and being a troll in other peoples lanes. He was premade with a clan mate, and the clan mate said "he acts this way because he is special."

All I said was "special with a capital R?" and riot decided it was worth a 14 day suspension. The whiny, prepubescent, virgin eared player base of league is too sensitive, weak minded, weak willed, and pathetic to handle certain combinations of our alphabet. This isn't a problem you'll see in Korea or other Asian countries for example. ONLY in North America are the players such CRY BABY CHILDREN they have to whine to their riot mommy to ban people who said mean things to them on the internet. The bans and suspensions are just a symptom of an underlying disease, which is that we promote whiners and weak minded children and enable them (through systems such as this one) to feel vindicated when they whine and cry to somebody they consider an authority figure.

TL DR; don't buy into the lies and hype riot tries to spew about communicating and working as a team. Mute EVERYBODY on your team and communicate 100% with pings and macros ONLY. DO NOT TYPE ANYTHING. EVER. AT ALL. Or you "risk your own account being punished" as per Deme Lovato and their quote to me in an e-mail

**"Deme Lovato Deme Lovato (Riot Games Player Support) Jul 21, 12:12 PM PDT

Hey Vikådin,

Deme Lovato here - covering for Hana. It's literally not worth the time or effort to acknowledge or even engage with these players and risk your own account getting punished. In the future, I would encourage you to simply mute these players, move on, and report them at the end of the game as that brings them to our attention and closer to punishment.

deme lovato riot games player support diana main"**

HOPE THIS HELPS!! REMEMBER, MUTE ALL AND REPORT EVERYBODY IF THEY DARE TO SPEAK!!!!

Scary DoorJul 22, 20171 votes

In the 3 total games that the chat messages were linked for my suspension, the worst thing I said was YOU IDIOTS DESERVE THIS LOSS

I don't believe you. Show me the chat logs, let's see if that's the worst thing you said. Don't edit them either, screenshots and text, let's see it.

TrulyBlandJul 23, 20171 votes

I am a repeat offender.

And just like in real life, that is something that is considered when determining your next punishment. Stealing an apple is no big deal... unless you're on probation.

Deep Terror NamiJul 23, 20171 votes

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