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Chat Restriction but Not Toxic?

Seiten Air··9 votes·1,618 views

I've pasted the reform card below which is the notice you get upon login explaining why you get any given punishment. What do you guys think? Is the AI system right or wrong for giving this punishment?

Game 1 Seiten Air: eve what are you talking about Seiten Air: no one is running it down mid...dafuq Seiten Air: dont worry im doing the same Seiten Air: you would know it desnt work then Seiten Air: dude reported Seiten Air: do you even know why i left Seiten Air: if you knew why i left you shouldnt be asking me to stay with you Seiten Air: no we didnt Seiten Air: plant spawns 6;20 i needed mana and hp regen then gank our own lane at 645 Seiten Air: ok im done Seiten Air: bye Seiten Air: gonna support mid instead Seiten Air: hmm? Seiten Air: and do what afterwards Seiten Air: for what Seiten Air: i didnt take your lane Seiten Air: you left your lane Seiten Air: id rather you be mid with me Seiten Air: why would i go bot, im tired of being harassed by tristana Seiten Air: she complains about everyting i do whether its right or rsong Seiten Air: ori coming bot Seiten Air: nvm Seiten Air: why dont you come back to lane Seiten Air: yes im trying to support you Seiten Air: for what Seiten Air: right im inting but you died 2x mre than me Seiten Air: makes sense Seiten Air: ohhh rekt Seiten Air: burrnnnn Seiten Air: i told you the trist was toxic Seiten Air: eve why are you standing still watching us fight Seiten Air: apparently i have final vote Seiten Air: what should it be

Note: I gave up on supporting my adc after he was continually toxic to me and telling me to kill myself. Additionally, some of these comments are me reacting to my teammates berating other teammates (everyone kinda disliked each other). One example: Seiten Air: ohhh rekt Seiten Air: burrnnnn

Game 2 Seiten Air: i havent died once how am i inting... Seiten Air: i stand at tower cuz i dont want to 1 v 2... Seiten Air: yeah im reporting you for trolling Seiten Air: youve been complaining about me since minute 2 Seiten Air: yeah im so reporting you for harrassment Seiten Air: you are the one who is toxic. and btw telling others to report a teammate is also toxic Seiten Air: its called lag dude. but you have no excuse for being toxic Seiten Air: the more you talk the faster youre getting banned mf Seiten Air: if you are complaining about vision then put wards down instead of flaming your team

66 Comments

Kei1436 votes

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...

the way you call for reports kidda irks me a bit. Don't know how to say it, but it feels like "I'm reporting you and you can't do anythingggg to meee ~~~~~ na na na na na ~~~".

[sg-miss-fortune] <-- this is how I picture you when you say that. Feels a bit like minor bullying.

Seeing that you got two games of such behavior kind of shows that you do that alot. Which is how you got punished.

In truth, you really don't need to tell them that they got reported, most the time, it serves to do nothing. If you wanted to tell them that their actions are out of line, just say stuff like "bro, that's not cool", and if they continue, just report them quietly after.

Seiten Air4 votes

True, that is an alternative. As you can see, my logs aren't perfect behavior. My question is if its worthy and bad enough for punishment. Do you agree with the AI feedback system or not really?

Kei1432 votes

If I may be bold to make an assumption, you ask that question because there are many things you don't understand about the system.

The IFS is a learning machine and learns from the community's reporting habits. If something gets overwhelmingly reported by the community, it will be treated as a more severe toxicity. In KR server, "your mom" jokes are treated with much more severity compared to NA server. Also in KR server, calling someone "silver" is also pretty severe, where as in NA, people are much more chill about being in silver.

IFS also punishes based on consistency x severity. Consistent mild toxicity will still get people punished over MMMMAAAANNNNYYYY games.

So would I agree with the IFS here? I've already said in first post that the way you ask for reports irks me, so I would consider this as minor toxicity. Would I have reported it? I guess it'll depend on my mood for that day.

Keep in mind that the reform card shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior. It does not mean you were only punished for these two games. If you were able to see your full behavioral history, you might have a different opinion on whether you agree with this punishment.

Seiten Air2 votes

Actually Kei, I was not aware that the IFS changes based on the community. That's very interesting. I learned something. I wanted to reply to your last paragraph here. I agree that there are some games the reform card did not show because they were not as recent. Luckily I do know those other games not on the card involved me roaming mid after seeing my adc troll at lvl 1. In one game, my kalista adc had the black spear to bind to me, but didn't do it despite me reminding her and pinging her. Once the Jungler showed up for a gank, as I was trying to jump in and save her, she binded to me when they appeared, rendering me unable to move. She dies while I am forced to become immobile during the bind after which I die immediately. My adc then proceeds to taunt me after the whole event.

After this, I do the same thing as above and I roam to support mid instead. My rationale for this is that putting my time and effort into a troll and expecting them to carry is useless. Lo and behold my team says they are reporting me for it. The other games I got dinged for are the same as these where my adc is toxic or trolling and I choose to do my own thing to avoid them. Yet, I am punished when I don't support a troll adc.

Kei1431 votes

I've roamed and ditched my ADC jerk before.

People get upset with a support staying in their lane When the support doesn't contribute. Get them a kill, get them some vision, harass the enemy out and even get their tower. When you actually contribute to the lane, most people are chill with it.

Then again, people can report you for everything, doesn't mean you will actually get punished for it unless you give the system a valid reason to do so.

Roaming to other lanes and staying is an off-meta strategy, but it's not a punishable offense.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

And I've been reported for not building the "correct" items. If the system works the way people are saying it does, that means I will be prevented from rising in honor levels, and at a higher risk of getting punished for small infractions of the rules...

Chermorg2 votes

I think it may have been a little bit fast on the trigger here, but remember that it's also using this as a warning that you may be venturing towards behavior that's more toxic. There may be other games involved that were either too spaced out or for some other reason weren't in your reform card.

I think that it's not likely this gets removed, mainly because of the borderline harassment in the second game, but I also don't doubt that you'll be able to improve your behavior and not get another punishment.

pooped1 votes

Yeah but eventually this is a perma ban, because the flawed system will continue to punish him for it. You're retarded

Chermorg1 votes

Actually, the system is variable and dynamic. It takes into account the entire history of an account. When I said it was fast of the trigger, I meant to imply that this isn't likely something that would rise to the level of a punishment with just two games instead of three.

Seiten Air1 votes

A punishment is a punishment. If a warning was for a punishment but it is already punishing the player, then it's not a warning. It's already giving the punishment it is warning about - just like this chat restriction. Besides, if this was a warning that I am venturing to more toxic behavior, why is Riot already punishing me for something I haven't done yet? That's like getting a speeding ticket when I haven't gone past the speed limit! So much for a warning...

I Do Not Recall4 votes

So if I'm rude I deserve a chat ban? great logic.

Kei1434 votes

yea?

that is absolutely logical. I don't see a problem with that.

I Do Not Recall6 votes

what defines rude? If you don't like me? if you don't like what i said? If you don't agree with what i said? If you just think I'm annoying?

Tough. Get over it. That's why people invented RULES. So that punishments weren't handed out on the basis of SUBJECTIVE OPINIONs of whose RUDE or not.

So would I agree with the IFS here? I've already said in first post that the way you ask for reports irks me, so I would consider this as minor toxicity. Would I have reported it? I guess it'll depend on my mood for that day.

GARBAGE

oh I'm sorry it IRKS you, I guess because YOU'RE in a bad mood, and i IRK'ed you i get BANNED, even though I haven't broken any obvious and clearly defined RULES.

GARBAGE

If somebody calls you a c*** that's an insult, and you should get banned for it. If somebody only says negative things in the chat like FF@15 and picks people apart for mistakes that don't really matter or only blames people, they should be banned. If somebody uses racial slurs and homophobic insults or threats or encourages self harm... banned. Those all break clearly defined rules.

If somebody says, "yo wtf don't push my lane" and "can i get a gank anytime this century", or "why the hell would you build that item, its so bad" don't deserve to be banned, if you can't handle a TINY little bit of frustration in somebodies tone in a competitive environment you can just mute them.

If somebody I've never met before calls me toxic in a video game you know what I do? nothing, because I don't fucking care, and if somebody does that's a personal problem. Mute them and move on, if you feel emotionally damaged by somebody calling you toxic, I cant comprehend how you function as a human being.

Kei1432 votes

Rude is indeed a subjective term.

Riot plays by majority rules in these grey area circumstances.

If such context gets widely reported (talking about over millions of reports here), then it will be counted as a valid report, if not, it will just sit in your behavioral history and not do anything.

Now you can make the arguement that the community is getting soft and should "grow a pair". I would agree with you here.

In OP's example, I feel that the way he asks for reports said he will report just crosses over the fine line of "this is harassment". Your examples that you gave are no where near the line of harassment, as they aren't directed towards anyone in general.

So I guess I should redefine this "rude", it's more about "rude towards others" instead just solely "rude".

Seiten Air1 votes

I never asked for reports. I simply stated i was planning on reporting someone. That is the only thing in my logs that could be construed as bm...Whether it is over the line or not is the real question. I personally think that while its not productive, its not horrible enough to be punishable.

Kei1431 votes

Opps. Let me correct that.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

Sure, thank's for at least seeing my perspective on the issue. But Honestly I'm not asking the League community to grow a pair, they can be what they want to be, IDRC.

All I want is a chat system where punishable behavior is clearly defined by rules. It seems to me that rule that I broke, and the OP broke, and several others I've seen posting here on Player Behavior, is the one regarding harassment. I just don't see how trying to get a teammate to cooperate with the team is harassment. If somebody tells you to stop, but you persist, it's harassment. But If they never respond to you at all, it's not harassment. They either muted you, so your words aren't doing any damage, or they are straight up refusing to communicate with you, which is extremely frustrating, but acceptable behavior going by the rules, and it's perfectly acceptable to continue to try and communicate with them.

That's why context is important for a system that judges whether something is harassment or not. In my case that I posted here, the Morgana never responded to me.

If she muted me, then what am I getting punished for? Harassing somebody that can't see my chat inputs? If she was just ignoring me and didn't bother to tell me to stop, did she really feel harassed if she never even bothered to ask me to stop?

It's not like I came out of the gate calling her toxic and saying she was ruining the game and blah blah blah, it started with me just being confused as to why she was in my lane. She could say "sorry I'm a new player" or she could say "stop bothering me" or she could actually explain herself and that's that I wouldn't get mad I'd just move on.

At the end of the day harassment is a subjective feeling that the "victim" perceives. If I joined a game of league with a friend and we shit talked each other in the chat for fun, what stops somebody on our team from reporting us for harassment and us getting banned. Nobody was harassed, nobodies feelings got hurt, and yet two people get banned.

Kei1431 votes

correct, you can indeed be punished if someone else reported you for harassment, as in their eyes, you were harassing your friend, and I don't fault them for trying to clean up the community that way.

In your specific case, I think it was more of your negative attitude of giving up that got you punished instead of all those questions to Morgana early game.

I don't know how often you have an attitude of giving up, but there typically is a consistent behavior of such for you to get punished.

SKDarkXHeart3 votes

No it should be perfectly fine to be rude to someone that's rude to you. We're not servers, this isn't our job. It's not my job to be nice to some little douchebag on the internet. IF somebody doesn't like what I'm saying that's what they made the mute button for. Why am I being punished?

I Do Not Recall1 votes

That's exactly my question, I'f I'm being rude to somebody that's blatantly being a complete asshole and ruining the game for everybody, why am I getting punished? Whose experience am I ruining? That guy who is running around with 5 tears of the goddess and calling everybody the N word in all chat?

Oh I'm so fucking sorry Riot, for telling that guy to "shut up, idiot". Won't happen again. Sorry for polluting your pristine community with my toxic behavior!

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Thats because Riot uses a completely automated system that doesn't see context. It doesn't have any way of knowing why you are being "rude".

Karunamon1 votes

That's pretty much exactly the logic, yes. If you're using the chatbox to flame, complain, harass, etc, then you will receive a chat ban.

The chat box exists to help strategize and win, not for you to vent your spleen.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

No, the chat box exists because Riot put it there when they made the game for people to use how they want, and they obv don't want people abusing it so they made RULES that defined appropriate use of chat, and if you broke those RULES, then you got that PRIVILEGE revoked.

But now, with this system, its just a popularity system of who the larger community finds annoying.

At the end of the day it's Riots call as to what they allow people to do while using the chat, as much as you like think that you know what the chat is and isn't for, if tomorrow Riot decided that using the chat to discuss the game was inappropriate and started banning people for it, you have no choice but to stop playing the game or go along with it.

That's exctly why almost every company or game producer, or society itself provides RULES that define what good behavior is. The term "toxic" is just a term used by people to paint behavior they don't LIKE as against the RULES.

Here's an example.

I have a chat server, and in my rules i have the condition, If your behavior is found to be "irksome" then you will be punished accordingly. Who defines "irksome"? Well at the start I do, It's still not fair because I have the ability to bend the rules, and as a user you were never given a fair chance because its not a well defined rule. However, there is still a general agreement as to what irksome is because I have a close relationship with my users, so it flies for now.

But eventually my chat server gets big enough or I get lazy or greedy enough that I don;t want to hire an army of moderators, so i implement an automated bot to do my banning for me. Now who defines "irksome"? Well the bot does, and I happen to use the same bot Riot is using now. So what defines irksome is just by popular vote of the people using my servers, and now has close to nothing of what I originally thought of it as.

If enough sheltered and emotionally unstable people start using my server, people will start getting banned for saying things like "you're not supposed to do that" and "Hey can you please stop", because maybe people get really hurt when people ask them to do stuff, like gank a lane, or don;t troll, or stop being a jerk and insulting people.

Below is a transcript of the game that got me a 25 game chat restriction, and If i had already gotten one it would have landed me a 14 day suspension, because that's how the punishment system works now.

Game 1 DragonsDwell: i called mid DragonsDwell: why DragonsDwell: is this happening DragonsDwell: i called mid and nobody even contested DragonsDwell: you didnt even call it DragonsDwell: after me DragonsDwell: youre just in my lane DragonsDwell: hello? DragonsDwell: why DragonsDwell: go top DragonsDwell: nobody is top DragonsDwell: i called mid DragonsDwell: twice DragonsDwell: and nobody said anything DragonsDwell: oh DragonsDwell: we have no jg DragonsDwell: it would be nice if i got solo exp DragonsDwell: so i can hit 6 DragonsDwell: and gank DragonsDwell: like mid laner DragonsDwell: would DragonsDwell: and not be fucked DragonsDwell: thank you DragonsDwell: pls DragonsDwell: please DragonsDwell: i called mid DragonsDwell: mid is a solo lane DragonsDwell: can you pls go top DragonsDwell: so i can not be behind on exp al lgame DragonsDwell: please DragonsDwell: why go mid if we have no jg DragonsDwell: go top DragonsDwell: i called mid DragonsDwell: can you pls not go mid DragonsDwell: can you not deny cannon minions DragonsDwell: like wtf did i do DragonsDwell: to make you angry at me DragonsDwell: did you want mid DragonsDwell: i would have swapped with you DragonsDwell: in pregame DragonsDwell: if yo usaid something DragonsDwell: ?????? DragonsDwell: what kind of q was that DragonsDwell: i jsut asked you to NOT take cannons DragonsDwell: and you try to take it with your q again DragonsDwell: STOP DragonsDwell: maybe save your q for the dragon DragonsDwell: jesus DragonsDwell: no problem holding it to snipe cannons DragonsDwell: go away DragonsDwell: PLEASE DragonsDwell: ez needs HELP DragonsDwell: I DONT DragonsDwell: HELP TOP DragonsDwell: im tilted as fuck DragonsDwell: dont even want to play right now DragonsDwell: tbh DragonsDwell: im down 2 levels on velkoz DragonsDwell: with two kilsl and didnt miss a single minion DragonsDwell: from backing DragonsDwell: literally missed zero minions from backing and had two kills DragonsDwell: and im down 2 levels DragonsDwell: im ff at 15 DragonsDwell: and if you vote no im afk DragonsDwell: i called mid DragonsDwell: and this morg said nothing DragonsDwell: i asked her to leave my lane nicely DragonsDwell: and she just ignores me DragonsDwell: literally wont even respond to me DragonsDwell: this is so fuckign retarded DragonsDwell: what the fuck did i do to you morg? DragonsDwell: i dont join random games DragonsDwell: and just fuck people over DragonsDwell: i dont know DragonsDwell: fro no reason DragonsDwell: if thats your idea of fun DragonsDwell: idk DragonsDwell: congrats DragonsDwell: im not our mid laner anymore DragonsDwell: i give up DragonsDwell: mrog leaches 9 min of exp DragonsDwell: and then leaves DragonsDwell: 4 DragonsDwell: icant hold mid DragonsDwell: im not going top either DragonsDwell: because we have no jungler DragonsDwell: and i cant roam DragonsDwell: cause of morg DragonsDwell: taking my exp DragonsDwell: same DragonsDwell: nobody can help him because of this morg DragonsDwell: could have laned with him DragonsDwell: but instead laned with me DragonsDwell: and made sure i cant help him DragonsDwell: cause im alwasy down exp DragonsDwell: k DragonsDwell: jesus DragonsDwell: like i wasnt mada at the start DragonsDwell: iwas jsut vonfused DragonsDwell: adn i asked you to leave DragonsDwell: for the benifit DragonsDwell: of the team DragonsDwell: and you literally jsut put me on mute DragonsDwell: or wont respond DragonsDwell: thats fuckign toxic DragonsDwell: icalled mid DragonsDwell: and you ddint even say anything DragonsDwell: i would have gladly swapped DragonsDwell: with you DragonsDwell: if you wanted mid DragonsDwell: but you have to fuckign say asoemthing DragonsDwell: i cant take smite DragonsDwell: and go jg DragonsDwell: once the game starts DragonsDwell: you cant jsut show up in my lane DragonsDwell: and say "fuck you" DragonsDwell: and tell me to go top DragonsDwell: wow DragonsDwell: that velkzo is really far ahead DragonsDwell: that sucks DragonsDwell: wow so fun DragonsDwell: im having fun right now DragonsDwell: i tried to deal with this DragonsDwell: im not gonna try anymore DragonsDwell: its not worth the effort DragonsDwell: this isnt ranked DragonsDwell: idgaf if we win or lose

Who did i personally insult? Who did I harass? What racial slurs did I use? Did i encourage self harm? Did I threaten somebody? Did I go into the game with a negative attitude and say the game was over right from the start?

No, I called mid in pregame, nobody said anything about it, so I typically assumed it was fine, then this morg shows up in my lane, NEVER SAYS A WORD ALL GAME LONG, and just lanes mid with me, and uses smite to steal cannon minions. Refuses to communicate, and essentially makes sure the team loses and wastes everybody's time.

And because I tried to reason with her, and then gave up and declared it hopless, I get chat banned for negative attitude. Which is what the riot employee told me my ban was for when i asked him in my support ticket. Negative attitude, for at least trying to communicate with somebody who was very clearly trolling. If i had just not used chat and let this person ruin the game with out even trying to eke out a win I'd be in the clear, but because i WANTED to win, and i tried to use the CHAT to communicate with a TEAMMATE, I got banned. For "negative attitude".

If I had done this after coming out of a 14 day suspension I could have gotten my account PERMANENTLY BANNED. For the chat you just read above, PERMANENTLY BANNED. It's happened to people.

The system should change, but honestly it probably won't. because money

SKDarkXHeart1 votes

Yeah, the system is fucked, you're better off just ignoring the chat and not saying anything.

Sunka3 votes

I feel your pain. You used sarcasm and it was perceived wrongly. Read this board and see what you think about in-game chat and reporting.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/IvRgYhif-a-look-at-toxicity-the-in-game-chat-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-it

Xion The XIV3 votes

The problem is you constantly targeted a single person while being sarcastic. No what you need to do is target everyone. Leave none without being sarcastic to them. That is considered Harassment from what I have been told.

Darkeus3 votes

According to the ToS you sign when you start playing, being rude in defense of rudeness is NOT allowed. Sorry mate.

Fighting Fire with fire does nothing.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

Stop being rude.

Darkeus1 votes

{quoted}

Stop being rude.

Lol, you know that is not what that word even close to means. Come on man. Illogical argument you got going there.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/reasoning-analogy/

SKDarkXHeart2 votes

Actually when you back burn a piece of land so that the fire can not burn over to the rest of the land it can save an entire forest. So, I think people should be allowed to defend themselves when someone is screaming profanities at them and acting like an asshole. Everyone is just so stuck in a fictional world that and they don't know what real life is anymore, because fighting fire with fire is actually a proven way to fight wildfire and as a firefighter something I do every summer. If people said some of the things to me in real life that they say to me on League they wouldn't be just walking away from me with all of their teeth. That's the way it should be. Talk shit get hit. That's what the mute button is for. If you don't like what I'm saying then hit that little fella right there and see if I care. If you can't handle someone being mean to you then don't be mean to people.

Darkeus1 votes

{quoted}

Actually when you back burn a piece of land so that the fire can not burn over to the rest of the land it can save an entire forest. So, I think people should be allowed to defend themselves when someone is screaming profanities at them and acting like an asshole. Everyone is just so stuck in a fictional world that and they don't know what real life is anymore, because fighting fire with fire is actually a proven way to fight wildfire and as a firefighter something I do every summer. If people said some of the things to me in real life that they say to me on League they wouldn't be just walking away from me with all of their teeth. That's the way it should be. Talk shit get hit. That's what the mute button is for. If you don't like what I'm saying then hit that little fella right there and see if I care. If you can't handle someone being mean to you then don't be mean to people.

Yeah we were not talking about clearing for a forest fire. You knew what I meant ;-)

Friendly Ram3 votes

well good luck on your ticket.

Karunamon3 votes

Seiten Air: dude reported

Announcing it isn't cool and will get you in trouble. If you're going to report someone, just do it. No need to harass about it - people have been summoner 11'ed for it.

Seiten Air: ok im done Seiten Air: bye Seiten Air: gonna support mid instead

This reads like you left your ADC on their own because they annoyed you - at that point you started putting your needs above your team's. This is also seriously uncool, and is in fact called out in the summoner's code specifically as something you're not supposed to do.

Seiten Air: i told you the trist was toxic

Namecalling isn't cool.

All of these are why you got a chat restrict.

What you should do next time someone is toxic is:

  1. Mute them - in the chatbox, type /mute (their name) or /mute @(their champion)
  2. Don't tell them, or bang on about it. Mute them and be done.
  3. Continue to play the game in your assigned position and role
  4. Report them after the game
Seiten Air1 votes

Similar to my reply to someone else above, I agree that saying that I plan on reporting someone isn't helpful or beneficial. If that is enough to trigger a punishment, then alright, I'll take it. But is it really that horrible of a comment to be dumping my chat log into the category of the worst 5% of players, the same ones receiving punishments? I would say the answer is no.

The other thing to question is the act of supporting mid instead of bot. When your adc is a complete troll, or is abusing you in chat, one thing to do is to mute and play on, but roaming mid is considered reportable? It sickens me that I am forced to support someone and put my trust into someone who is flat out inting, or telling me to kill myself. If I don't support him, and support mid instead, all of a sudden I'm the bad guy. I have to pick between being shit on/supporting a troll (both of which likely lead to a loss), or being eventually banned by roaming mid.

Karunamon1 votes

But is it really that horrible of a comment to be dumping my chat log into the category of the worst 5% of players, the same ones receiving punishments?

Tl;dr: Yes. Most people don't name call and so forth. This isn't DOTA, this isn't CSGO. Standards are a bit different here.

It's not about it being "horrific" (people get instant 2 week bans for that), it's about it being against the standards here. That's all.

The other thing to question is the act of supporting mid instead of bot. When your adc is a complete troll, or is abusing you in chat, one thing to do is to mute and play on, but roaming mid is considered reportable?

You weren't "roaming mid", you told your ADC that you weren't helping them anymore. Not the same thing.

The reason that bot is always an ADC/Supp combo is because of the C in ADC. They can't solo worth beans early game, doubly so when you're leaving them 2v1. Worse yet, the way the game is now, losing botlane is usually a prelude to losing the game.

Think about it - that's a few hundred gold plus assist for the kill they will absolutely get, plus gold for their whole team for getting first turret, plus two or three creep waves worth of gold, plus lost XP and CS your ADC isn't getting anymore. Your anger has caused a lane to be lost, put your team at a serious gold disadvantage, and put your chances of winning in the toilet.

Fuck the annoying guy, ignore their chat, but you're not playing for their or your benefit, you're playing to get your team a win. Nothing else matters. To put it bluntly, if your ego is more important than the win, you need to play a different game.

Seiten Air1 votes

The same could be said about mid lane. I pick mage supports often, or some other variation of a kill lane. When I go mid, the chance of killing the enemy mid is equally likely as the chance of my adc dying. whether I roam or camp mid, the result is similar to "camping" bot. The whole argument you have about the gold swing goes for both sides.

Essentially, you are saying that we need to ignore whatever hate speech thee adc says and still support a toxic ass/complete troll. Despite that it causes our chances of winning to go down, you argue that I should still support him. I think here we disagree.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Riot is going to say that you replied too much. "Don't respond to toxic behavior". Well Riot, if your system worked then WE WOULDN'T HAVE TOXIC BEHAVIOR TO RESPOND TO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Just a thought :-)

SKDarkXHeart1 votes

Yeah I think they should have somebody actually reading these reports and checking into them so they can truly see how petty and ridiculous it gets.

notice me Sin pi2 votes

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Game 1

Seiten Air: right im inting but you died 2x mre than me

i dont really see a reason for u to get a chat restriction punishment, but at same time u should be glad u got chat restriction n not 14 day ban even after u admitted it.

Seiten Air1 votes

I wasn't admitting to inting. This is a clear case of sarcasm. I was doing fine kda-wise but my jungler was flaming me for inting. So I said "right i'm inting but you died 2x mre than me." I never inted. I was 2/2 when I said this.

notice me Sin pi2 votes

im pretty sure riot support doesnt know what sarcasm is, however, in most cases

Seiten Air1 votes

I agree with you entirely. But, I am pretty sure I was not punished for inting (because I didn't int after all). I was punished for toxicity according to Riot. Of course, I am still trying to find the source of toxicity in my chat logs.

I Do Not Recall1 votes

You prob got flagged for "right i'm inting", I could join a game and say "Hey let's intentionally feed this game, just kidding haha" and "let's intentionally feed" would get flagged. If i happened to do bad that game and somebody on my team was in a bad mood and didn't understand that I was joking before, they could report me, and I would be at a risk of being punished by this idiotic system.

Rainfall1 votes

you shouldn't be banned for being toxic you should be banned for assisting enemy team. if i play top and i open my lane to jungle because i lost i will get banned. you did the same on support .

Seiten Air1 votes

I'm not assisting enemy team if I am crushing mid because it is a 2 v 1 in favor of us. All I'd be doing is trying to snowball mid instead of snowballing bot. Your example of top lane taking jungle doesn't apply here because Top is now encroaching on the jungler's job. The support's job is normally to support a carry. Guess what? Mid is a carry. I'm not stopping my team from doing their job by going mid any more than if I had stayed bot.

By the way, you wrote that you agree I shouldn't be banned for toxicity, but that is the very reason for my punishment according to Riot...

Rainfall1 votes

roaming mid is one thing. saying "im done here" "goodbye" and then abandoning your adc because you lost lane is another. also remember,riot added "giving up" on the unsposrtsmanlike conduct report as well and what you did was definetely giving upT. Edit: not only that but by the chat its also apparent that you being mid is unwanted by your midlaner as well. The first game looks like an obvious game of "giving up" which falls under the unsporstmanlike report category.

Seiten Air1 votes

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roaming mid is one thing. saying "im done here" "goodbye" and then abandoning your adc because you lost lane is another. also remember,riot added "giving up" on the unsposrtsmanlike conduct report as well and what you did was definetely giving upT. Edit: not only that but by the chat its also apparent that you being mid is unwanted by your midlaner as well. The first game looks like an obvious game of "giving up" which falls under the unsporstmanlike report category.

There is a difference between abandoning the game because I lost lane which is actually giving up, versus abandoning lane because the adc is a troll or yelling hate speech at me. Giving up does not apply to going to another lane. Giving up applies to literally not playing the game, staying in base, and refusing to fight and communicate. "giving up" on bot is the same as if your top laner lost their top tower and wants to try to take enemy mid tower instead. It is a rational decision to try to help a lane that isn't already lost yet. I'm not so sure this is an "obvious game of giving up" as you say. I was still trying to win by winning mid. Giving up is saying when you give up on the game, not on a lane. There is nothing in the code that says giving up applies to the lane. By your broad definition, anyone who clicks yes on a surrender vote is also giving up and should be banned. Riot obviously didn't mean this when they say "giving up." Neither does this definition apply to going mid.

Bob the Toastr1 votes

You were pretty toxic in that second game especially. The two main things that probably triggered it were telling the person you're reporting them and saying "I'm done." You don't need to tell someone you're reporting them, just do it. And saying "I'm done" makes it seem like you're giving up, which is against the summoner's code.

Hope you become less toxic in the future.

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