Hey Riot! Your player base is shrinking!

CerebralKnight·2/11/2016, 12:37:55 PM·18 votes·5,562 views

So I have been here since season 1 on another account, and you have had a great product so far. However I have noticed that your game started declining in season five as far as player behavior. This season from watching these boards and discussing the game with players in game I am realizing you are losing a lot of players daily. I have not seen this many players leaving League ever.

 Look how many posts there are on perma bans, that is just the ones posting, so you have lost those people, you also have lost a good amount of people tired of the smaller bans from standing up to trolls.

I have been talking to many people in game and those without bans are fed up with the rediculous amount of trolls in the game recently ( which is causing a lot of the toxicity from the players you are banning) so you have lost these people as well. When the trolls get bored of trolling you lose those players as well as they do not value the great game you created they merely get their joy from ruining the games of others and trying to upset them.

 Now I realize you also have a lot of people coming in, however a good amount of them will also leave when they come in to the trolled and anger filled ranked. Eventually the people coming in will become far less than the people leaving due to word of mouth about the declining nature of your game.

 Some people are all talk and won't leave.
 A good amount will do what they say and leave, I have quite a few people on my friends list who have left this game cause they were tired of nothing being done about the trolls. I have also met people who said they were quitting and I check their accounts later and they have.
 Then there are those that will go down with the ship and remain loyal to the end. I hope to count myself amongst this group but even as much as I like this game I can't deny the declining nature and player base of this game.
 That with your lack of presence to player questions on this board is going to hurt this company in the future. 

So now that I pointed out the problem let me provide a suggestion for a solution.

First: unban all accounts related to verbal abuse. What! You say? Let all those toxic players back? Yes keep reading and you will understand why.

Second: reform your punishment system:

Start by going back to the tribunal system ( this keeps you from having to increase cost for extra employment), In the tribunal have each case reviewed by an odd number of players 7,11,13 or 15 somewhere around here so you don't have a low amount of players just clicking punish or don't punish because they like to troll tribunals (yes I have ran in to players who told me they do that just to screw with people) and end up getting some random verdict, odds of that happening are lower with higher amounts of tribunal reviews. If found guilty of trolling issue 1,7,14 day bans, issue a loss forgiveness and return lp to the trolled team members but not to the troll. If players continue to troll after a 14 day ban then permaban their account.

 Add the ability to insert single or multiple small low res video clips and screen shots (this is how you address the issue of people trolling and how you can distinguish between players who are just bad or having a bad game from players who are intentionally trying to make their team lose) also so that your servers can handle the influx of data delete the submitted reports and media after a verdict has been reached.
  The above will actually make the the gaming experiance more pleasant and decrease the level of hostility and anger in the game resulting in less bans being given for verbal abuse resulting in you losing less players and their money from both bans and quitting the game from discouragement.

  Next add a pre lobby voting system where if a player is going to troll (saying X position or feed, that they are going to feed, afk in game, ect.) the team can vote to kick that player you would need a majority vote to do so though same as ingame surrender and the players and kicked players would not get que'd again.
 Now I have heard the arguments against this let me address those and show you how this would work.

Issue: premades will abuse the system and troll kick players over and over or just kick again and again to get the players they want. Solution: separate solo que so that it is only solo players now it can not be abused.

Issue: this will increase que times. Solution: with the new system add that when a player dodges or is kicked that instead of going back to the waiting screen and waiting for five to be matched again everyone stays in champ select and game searches for a single player instead of five. This would drastically reduce time between games. Plus not that many people want to troll kick and increase their own wait time.

Issue: In higher elos platinum, diamond, challenger it would make the times even longer as the player pool is smaller. Solution: only implement it in the lower elos where the majority of the player base is, also a bonus to the new system there might be more people in the higher elos with the removal of so many trolls and the reduction in hostility. The voting system would also decrease toxicity in game.

  Now what is left of the toxic and verbally abusive players is simple it runs through the same tribunal system of having an odd number players vote if they are guilty or not but we give them a diffrent punishment system. Every time they are found guilty of being toxic they are given 3 chat bans that can stack. Example: If they are reported 3 separate times and each report is found guilty by an odd number of players they receive 9 chat bans. 
 Now during their chat bans they are limited to 5 messages in prelobby so they can try and work with team or suggest a ingame voice communication service for in game comunication. However in game and post game they can not type at all while chat ban. They can make due with pings. The worst thing you can do to a toxic player is silence them. This teaches players to not be toxic it also keeps you from having to perma ban a player thus keeping your player base and profit high while nullifying their toxic behavior. What harm is a toxic player who can't chat.

And this is why you can unban all verbally abussive players. Also add tribunal chat logs for pre lobby and post game lobby to catch those toxic players in pre game and post game who work the system by not talking in game.

Lastly afks, give a loss prevention to the team mates and return any lost lp from the game to afks team. Some may say well this could be abused you could have a losing team just have someone afk. Solution: have the afk player lose higher amounts of lp starting with a base 25 lp just for afking same as if they had lost the game, increase the lp lost for every minute of the game they are afk. Most people will not take that hit for a team mate they don't know I mean just look at the que system, ever asked someone to dodge? Yea doesn't happen.

 For those that read and actually considered the thank you I am not against riot or wanting them to fail I support them but see a problem and am trying to address it. Ty for reading and have a good day!

33 Comments

FooDang2/11/2016, 3:02:24 PM10 votes

What if I told you only a small % of players actually look at these forums.

Dominick Destine2/11/2016, 2:38:23 PM5 votes

Actually I'm pretty sure Riot's playerbase has been steadily rising, continuing to be the most played online game worldwide.

Damagefox2/11/2016, 2:21:17 PM5 votes

If I get the chance, I tell teammates to DROP League of legends and suggest trying Smite as an alternative. Far less toxic, more willing to help new player. League is like...Moba "pre-school" edition. Just crying tantrum kids who have a fit when they dont get a penta EVERY MATCH. Oh no...You didnt let them have the role or champ THEY WANTED. time to watch them have a tantrum and cry to the other team "Whaaaa they took my >champ<. come to mid for feed!"

The level of narcissism, sociopathy and entitlement in this game is truly sickening. And trying to crack some of these brats over the head with the "Reality stick" ends up getting you punished for telling them "yeah, guess what, Your actions have concequences. You screw over your team intentionally for your own greed, dont expect them to turn around and pat you on the back and say "Way to go man, we all died and lost 2 turrets, but at least you got your quadra/penta..and thats all that matters!"

As I said, I do and continue to..and WILL continue to advocate alternatives away from league. Telling the actuall team players I see to try a similar game with a better community. League wants to have its Preschool call of duty kids who only care about getting the penta and having "most kills NA", let them, Let the game flush itself down the toilet. Seems they are doing everything to keep hemorrhaging players so lets have a good old fashion blood letting. Help the good players find better games and let Riot keep the entitled trolls it seems to want so hard to protect.

J E B A ł T E D2/11/2016, 2:22:48 PM4 votes

Upvote farmer here Nasus don't mind me

Gargamel Bot2/11/2016, 12:40:07 PM3 votes

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Makior722/11/2016, 4:06:16 PM3 votes

Body of the post was too long didnt bother reading it. I am here simply to respond to the title.

Please provide a link to hard evidence citing that the player base of league of legends is being greatly reduced from previous years.

Raoul5/17/2016, 1:54:42 PM2 votes

For every old player leaving, there are like 10 new players, who joined this season or the last season.

Let me guess, you got baned because you flamed everyone who gave up first blood till they muted you, then raged in all chat, and now you claim that you were a important part of the commu7nity and losing you will ruin the game.

PIMPSMOOTH2/11/2016, 5:18:33 PM2 votes

Using these message boards to gauge in game participation rates .........

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

FederationNr16/23/2017, 11:23:15 PM1 votes

I agree, since long ago, after 3 years if being exactly, I started to play this game again and as time passed, I noticed Mexican people and other people from different continents in my games despite I'm from Europe, in the past one usually played between Europeans but it's not the case anymore, which makes me think that Riot is desperately in pulling gamers from where they can in order to fake rate of started games, being sincerely, the game was better 3 years ago when I left it, now it's a complete disaster of game, I'm going back to Dota.

AJStarhiker6/24/2017, 12:59:50 AM1 votes

Also a Season 1 player and almost as long in Tribunal Ban Inqueries/Player Behavior sections of the forums and board. Quite frankly? I'm not seeing what you are.

Considering how the total player base has grown, even if the percent of punished players has remained the same, the raw number would have increased at the same rate as the game's growth.

xSleepy2/11/2016, 4:21:43 PM1 votes

ask yourself: what if the reason there are more "i'm quitting" posts is because there are more players overall, so there are more players to quit for instance 10 people join, 3 people quit as opposed to before when 6 people joined and 1 people quit (these aren't actual figures i'm just illustrating my point) that's still 7 people staying, up from 5, but there are more people quitting because there are just more people to quit

do u get me

league is more popular than it's ever been, it was the most popular game in the world last year and tickets for the next IEM Katowice sold out in under 1 minute. i don't think riot is too concerned that their player base is shrinking.

Nilthias3/5/2016, 5:08:55 PM1 votes

Well not entirely untrue though.

Before the average queue time ( for me), was 2-5 minutes on extremely contested roles ( mid) under 30s -1 minute on less wanted one's ( support and jungler). Rest depended on time of the day.

Now on average I get 8-10 minute wait on contested roles, and filler is pretty much instant, and ALWAYS gives support.

I think it's because premade's don't want to risk key roles ( mid, jungler, carry), to random player.

Solution to all this ? : give back the bloody solo que.[zombie-nunu-tears]

TheLittlestLulu3/5/2016, 5:55:44 PM1 votes

tl;dr

Colgate Gator3/5/2016, 6:01:49 PM1 votes

Where are your numbers to back up your claim? It isn't unprecedent that the toxic people are the loudest, so when you check the forum (which is only used by a very very small percentage of the playerbase already) it does seem like its the end of the times, but it isn't really the truth.

Just like cutting off bad weeds off your lawn will take up patches of green off, it's a necessary evil.

sanneh5/17/2016, 1:53:27 PM1 votes

I agree, Riot are really weeaboo when it comes to verbal abuse. Dude, you can't ban players for that. It's a game. Not a social event. Make the difference.

Fáde6/14/2016, 11:05:46 PM1 votes

i got banned today enjoy~!

1sst Time Zed5/12/2017, 11:20:16 PM1 votes

Why is this downvoted? This is a genius idea and OP is completely right about the state of league, I find myself playing less and less because I'm just sick of the BS. Downvoted? seriously?