anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of LoL [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] that's what I'm learning to do. because everything is toxic now, I can say, " hey can you play passive please" and dude be like REPORTED FOR TOXIC! lol dude you're 1/7 and still trying to run in on on an already fed player 
Anomander7 votesReports by themselves don't mean anything..... If your toxic is what matters....
hey can you play passive please
Will never get you banned or punished.........
BRag34 votesReports by themselves don't mean anything..... If your toxic is what matters....
Will never get you banned or punished.........
It certainly can, if you get paired with a few salty ass liberals or a premade. Ive seen plenty of rediculous things be punished. OP is right, DONT SAY ANYTHING EVER. Too bad you cant even communicate anymore without risking your account. On top of that riot wont even allow you to disable your own chat, they will delete your account for using it though ... lol quality company.
RiotRiot Tantram17 votesPlease give me an example of ridiculous things causing punishments. I'd very much like to look into it. The system has an EXTREMELY low false positive rate, and we take false positives very seriously.
If you want to disable your chat, just resize your chat window. There are many discussions around how to do it.
Bloodmorne4 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-28T17:51:38.811+0000)
Please give me an example of ridiculous things causing punishments. I'd very much like to look into it. The system has an EXTREMELY low false positive rate, and we take false positives very seriously.
If you want to disable your chat, just resize your chat window. There are many discussions around how to do it.
your kidding me right? ahah dude people have reported me for saying , " i can count to five" as annie. People report for everything now, so as i stated before its best not to speak at all. I laugh because your system stinks and everyone wants to say it. think streamers on twitch or ragers on your board speak against this game for no reason. Remember no vision no future.
Zerolera7 votesI speak all the time giving tips and advice and have never had an issue - sure people report me when they're angry but it's never caused me to be reprimanded.
Based on your "salty ass liberals" comment, I'm pretty sure your issues stem from more than just giving friendly advice. But who knows, you could be the nicest person in the world.
DualShields3 votesFalse reports dont work. With this attitude, you're saying something else, or not actually being punished.
MISTAFUNKTASTIC5 votesRiot Tantram, with a direct ability to address the system you complain about, asks for your assistance in providing evidence of your complaint and you ignore/troll him further.
How would you recommend fixing this system? You kind of sound like an idiot tbh.
BudgetMessiah2 votesIt's always amusing to hear the paragons of virtue on this particular board bemoan "toxic" behavior, and then call others with whom they disagree idiots. Just the most perfect example of hypocrisy that one could hope for.
MISTAFUNKTASTIC3 votesOne is not an idiot simply if they disagree with me. It is rather dumb (i used the term idiot prior) to not try to fix something you have a problem with. All I see is people complaining about the report system without trying to provide much evidence.
His original post was far from idiotic. The response to a Rioter interested in helping and getting further information was.
BudgetMessiah4 votesFor example: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/lIUsEbFa-so-i-got-permabanned-forthis
No one's been able to identify what is "toxic" in that log. A couple have speculated that I was being negative to my team, but they were wrong about what was said to whom. DTN just said that everything, literally everything I wrote, was toxic, which is absurd and obviously grasping at straws. See for yourself. I don't even cuss.
RiotRiot Tantram27 votesTaunting a player for being in silver, repeatedly: "400 games in silver say otherwise" and "I can see you're upset about the 400 games, huh?" More taunting: "blaming region, that's funny" Taunting your jungler: "Never seen a shaco lose jg to a lee sin before..." Ganging up on the 2 people you have been harassing: "Alistar is shaco's waifu", "Funny" Passive aggressiveness towards others: "Ali stop being toxic pls", "Don't forget to honor me for not getting tilted from all the negativity my team directed towards me ;)" More taunting: "So mad"
And then the famous "gg ez"
You were trying to illicit a reaction through taunting and being passive aggressive.
All of this would have likely been a chat restriction if it was a consistent behavior. However, this was far from your first offense and as such it was escalated to the next level of punishment. Which in your case was a perma-ban .. the day after you got back from a 14-day ban.
BudgetMessiah4 votesIn fact, I was not taunting that player. I was defending myself because they were telling me how much better than me they were. Ditto the "blaming region" thing, because a player was saying everyone on NA was garbage. The comment to the shaco was actually the exact thing he said to me in the same game, about my losing vs my top lane counterpart. So, on all these counts, you're mistaken.
It's also very strange to hear you say that asking someone to stop being toxic when they were constantly flaming me, and priding one's self on still trying their hardest when they were losing badly up til the late game, is passive aggressive. Or that I alone am, somehow, "ganging up" on someone. And as I said before, the "gg ez" was ironic. It was far from it.
Your take on this is patently like tea leaf reading. Not through any fault of your own, of course. This is simply a problem with the report system. There's no context, no one else's comments, no scores to be seen, all unlike the Tribunal. I do appreciate that you mentioned that this happened the day after I returned. Time and again, Lyte and other Riot employees have mentioned that every player is occasionally "toxic", that they have a bad game and say harsh things. This is one game after a 14 day downtime. There's literally no chance for a pattern to be established. And all told, there's very little "toxicity" to it.
These reasons are why I feel this ban is invalid and unfair. I should have been given some time to prove myself, one way or another. This one game actually demonstrates nothing. I'm actually an extremely positive and friendly player, but I'm gregarious, and my words are always always taken in the worst light possible, as you've shown here.
TrulyBland15 votesIf you really wanted to defend yourself, you would have muted and reported, since that's kinda the perfect way to do that. If you feel the need to reply, you're not really trying to defend yourself, you're trying to defend your pride and your ego in front of random people on the internet... That's just my general advice. Advice I hardly follow myself.
But here's the thing: There's "pure" self defense, and there's retaliation. You "defended yourself" by attacking the person that flamed you. And that has been clarified often enough to be punishable behaviour.
BudgetMessiah3 votesI appreciate what you're saying about remaining silent, and it's something I have been doing, and will continue to do in the future. I just think it's absurd that I am being banned because of a single game, as that is all that is included in that report, and indeed, I had only played a handful of games since returning to that account, especially because that game is so...mild. There's absolutely no "you suck" or other insults, no cursing. Most of what is said is self-deprecating, and even grateful to other players (I thanked Kallista for not joining in the flame brigade).
I should actually be given an opportunity to demonstrate that I am reformed, rather than have my account taken from me immediately upon returning to the game. I can only help but feel that this is nothing more than an attempt by Riot to separate me from my money.
what you deserve4 votesI usually join in on the rioters smiting people on this but I honestly don't think that you were that toxic there
BudgetMessiah3 votesThank you for being brave enough to say so.
IcyPepper3 votesAdvice I hardly follow myself.
At least you're honest. We're all human, after all :/
Khezu1 votesye trulybland is right in this new system you have to play the victim and not express your opinion on anyone because thats how real life works. Riot is giving us a life lesson you guys are ungrateful and miserable, being the victim for 20-45 min with 1-2-3-4 random people that you dont know is legit...pff you guys!
TrulyBland1 votesIf you want to "defend yourself" you're already playing the victim. A logically inconsistent victim, that is. Playing the victim but refusing to do what is best to prevent the "damage" is being hypocritical. As is accusing those of playing the victim who actually try to solve the problem, as opposed to trying to protect their hurt ego.
CooL Ice Tea2 votesthe "gg ez" was ironic.
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"i said he should kill his self but I didn't mean it. I was just typing words, not with thinking he should do it."
"i told him to rape his mother and little sister but i was joking"
I can get out of EVERYTHING with that excuse. Just don't play any more please.
BudgetMessiah1 votesExcept, if the context of the game wasn't removed by the poor reporting system, the ironic nature would be obvious to anyone.
Khezu1 votesye cuz threading someones life and saying gg ez is the same thing? are you salty over this or what? xD
Affinity22 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:33:37.935+0000)
Taunting a player for being in silver, repeatedly: "400 games in silver say otherwise" and "I can see you're upset about the 400 games, huh?" More taunting: "blaming region, that's funny" Taunting your jungler: "Never seen a shaco lose jg to a lee sin before..." Ganging up on the 2 people you have been harassing: "Alistar is shaco's waifu", "Funny" Passive aggressiveness towards others: "Ali stop being toxic pls", "Don't forget to honor me for not getting tilted from all the negativity my team directed towards me ;)" More taunting: "So mad"
And then the famous "gg ez"
You were trying to illicit a reaction through taunting and being passive aggressive.
All of this would have likely been a chat restriction if it was a consistent behavior. However, this was far from your first offense and as such it was escalated to the next level of punishment. Which in your case was a perma-ban .. the day after you got back from a 14-day ban.
can you do me a solid and review my case
I had 6 month pretty clean and had a bad day... i just hit plat mmr and started to get the worst of the worst people again... no fantasy of getting my account back but man if u could set some precident on this one it would be helpful to the community....
i thought i was fine..... the removal of warnings led me to believe that i was being ok and clearly it wasnt. furthermore i feel like i shouldn't chat or be expressive at all.... i agree with the title of this page... we need voice chat to effectively gank up on toxic players like in cs go or dota.
what you deserve2 votesWhy's "gg ez" punishable? I always say it in really close games as a joke, and when people from the enemy team do the same when I lose it just makes me laugh
xReadyPlayerOnex2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:33:37.935+0000)
Taunting a player for being in silver, repeatedly: "400 games in silver say otherwise" and "I can see you're upset about the 400 games, huh?" More taunting: "blaming region, that's funny" Taunting your jungler: "Never seen a shaco lose jg to a lee sin before..." Ganging up on the 2 people you have been harassing: "Alistar is shaco's waifu", "Funny" Passive aggressiveness towards others: "Ali stop being toxic pls", "Don't forget to honor me for not getting tilted from all the negativity my team directed towards me ;)" More taunting: "So mad"
And then the famous "gg ez"
You were trying to illicit a reaction through taunting and being passive aggressive.
All of this would have likely been a chat restriction if it was a consistent behavior. However, this was far from your first offense and as such it was escalated to the next level of punishment. Which in your case was a perma-ban .. the day after you got back from a 14-day ban.
Many of these quotes here are agreed upon by the community as undesired behavior. I'm not going to lawyer here but there's an idea that "If the community agrees their behavior is wrong, and our system caught it, and they got banned" then victory is ours. We win. I don't see it that way. I just see it as the removal of another player from the community who, if we had a better system, may not have needed to be removed. Furthermore we've probably done them an injustice by being rather vague, strict and unwavering because those attributes of authority specifically don't meld well with people who are "taunting and being passive agressive".
I'd really love to see some PhD level Psychological study done upon the implementational success of the tribunal (and I use that loosely) system and how it effects the majority population and outliers to it with specific regard to Psychological Disorders and the success rates it has with people who may have them. It'd be my theory that, like our Justice Systems, there is a LOT to be desired when dealing with Mental Health and Psychological factors in specific regard to the concept of our punishment system being like "mandatory minimums" discriminating against those who may have mental health concerns. As a very large company I don't think it's too much to ask that there should be a lot of thought placed into the moral and psychological implications of the system. As a company, I know it's very important to focus on the results that make the system appear to be a full success and I'm not denying that it's done good. I just believe that it's a company's responsibility to continually build a better system and incorporate aspects of that system that allow it to be more understanding of the people it serves.
Just my two sense.
BudgetMessiah2 votesThank you for your response. I think it's unfortunate that I have been forced to give up the items I paid for and earned on that account, but I am not giving up on League. The designers and artists who produce the content within the game have done too fine a job for me to quit it. I just strongly disagree with the approach adopted by the community management. I frankly feel they need to be replaced by an entirely new team, and a review of all the banned accounts done by a new Tribunal to see if they should remain in force.
I, too, would love to see a peer reviewed study done on the methods Riot has adopted, particularly when the Tribunal returns (if the tribunal returns). It's also essential that these studies be done by third party researchers, as it seems Lyte et al. are more keenly focused on self-aggrandizement than objective observation.
Bloodmorne1 votesMany of these quotes here are agreed upon by the community as undesired behavior. I'm not going to lawyer here but there's an idea that "If the community agrees their behavior is wrong, and our system caught it, and they got banned" then victory is ours. We win. I don't see it that way. I just see it as the removal of another player from the community who, if we had a better system, may not have needed to be removed. Furthermore we've probably done them an injustice by being rather vague, strict and unwavering because those attributes of authority specifically don't meld well with people who are "taunting and being passive agressive".
I'd really love to see some PhD level Psychological study done upon the implementational success of the tribunal (and I use that loosely) system and how it effects the majority population and outliers to it with specific regard to Psychological Disorders and the success rates it has with people who may have them. It'd be my theory that, like our Justice Systems, there is a LOT to be desired when dealing with Mental Health and Psychological factors in specific regard to the concept of our punishment system being like "mandatory minimums" discriminating against those who may have mental health concerns. As a very large company I don't think it's too much to ask that there should be a lot of thought placed into the moral and psychological implications of the system. As a company, I know it's very important to focus on the results that make the system appear to be a full success and I'm not denying that it's done good. I just believe that it's a company's responsibility to continually build a better system and incorporate aspects of that system that allow it to be more understanding of the people it serves.
Just my two sense.
"just my two cents" hehe*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes"just my two cents" hehe*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
themachamp1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:33:37.935+0000)
Taunting a player for being in silver, repeatedly: "400 games in silver say otherwise" and "I can see you're upset about the 400 games, huh?" More taunting: "blaming region, that's funny" Taunting your jungler: "Never seen a shaco lose jg to a lee sin before..." Ganging up on the 2 people you have been harassing: "Alistar is shaco's waifu", "Funny" Passive aggressiveness towards others: "Ali stop being toxic pls", "Don't forget to honor me for not getting tilted from all the negativity my team directed towards me ;)" More taunting: "So mad"
And then the famous "gg ez"
You were trying to illicit a reaction through taunting and being passive aggressive.
All of this would have likely been a chat restriction if it was a consistent behavior. However, this was far from your first offense and as such it was escalated to the next level of punishment. Which in your case was a perma-ban .. the day after you got back from a 14-day ban.
Your bans also escalate way too quickly. Having a new punishment happen mid another punishment is quite absurd. Especially when the games were in the past before you got the 1st punishment.
BudgetMessiah1 votesI haven't been punished in the midst of another punishment.
Top Lane Blitz2 votes
ll League God ll2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:33:37.935+0000)
Taunting a player for being in silver, repeatedly: "400 games in silver say otherwise" and "I can see you're upset about the 400 games, huh?" More taunting: "blaming region, that's funny" Taunting your jungler: "Never seen a shaco lose jg to a lee sin before..." Ganging up on the 2 people you have been harassing: "Alistar is shaco's waifu", "Funny" Passive aggressiveness towards others: "Ali stop being toxic pls", "Don't forget to honor me for not getting tilted from all the negativity my team directed towards me ;)" More taunting: "So mad"
And then the famous "gg ez"
You were trying to illicit a reaction through taunting and being passive aggressive.
All of this would have likely been a chat restriction if it was a consistent behavior. However, this was far from your first offense and as such it was escalated to the next level of punishment. Which in your case was a perma-ban .. the day after you got back from a 14-day ban.
the stuff you rioters go after people for is flat out childish. Just because you have the power to drop the ban hammer doesnt make it ok. You have a F2P game and are trying to moderate to this level?
please... just admit it that you guys have this system in place for the sole purpose of hoping peoples accounts get perma banned, thus they are more inclined to buy new skins on new accounts, raising your overall revenue.
There is literally no other reason for it... every sport in the world has taunting and badgering... when people cuss, as long as they arent racist... or OVERLY toxic, you people at riot HQ should grow up and cut the crap out
Your statistics are bullshit because they include the tens of thousands of innactive accounts people dont even play... alot of people get 1-2 bans on an account that is relatively "new" even at 30, and just make new accounts.
Truth is, your game by nature creates a toxic environment for the player base... outside of pro-play, there is no reason to take banning to the level that you do.
If you are that sensative, then i suggest you grow up, because the real world is vastly different from this environment you guys try to control like dictators, and its sickeningly pissing off your community
Styrofoam Condom3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-28T17:51:38.811+0000)
Please give me an example of ridiculous things causing punishments. I'd very much like to look into it. The system has an EXTREMELY low false positive rate, and we take false positives very seriously.
If you want to disable your chat, just resize your chat window. There are many discussions around how to do it.
To provide a different point of view as to what the OP might be feeling and perhaps something riot has not taken into account or put weight into when evaluating "judgement" is the context / intent of a statement vs interpretation. A lot of users on league take anything that could be construed as offensive / negative in any light of connotation and get extremely defensive because of whatever reason (tilted, playing poorly, bad day).
I've said helpful things to a player doing poorly and they've bit my head off. At the end of the game i got reported by the player and his friends for "Verbal Abuse" and whether or not the report counted towards a valid report , it still affects me to see a report notification popping up and discourages me from wanting to say / help anyone.
i'm pretty layback and joke around, but since the growing report spam of this community, it's made me extremely reluctant to want to say anything to a tilted player or help them. let alone type in chat because yes i do feel that most players take things out of context and get offended easily.
As a developer of other platform games (AAA titles), i would challenge Riot to sample their chat logs for the word "toxic" and see how often its used in wrong context.
RiotRiot Tantram12 votesThis is why players' reports lose value. If you have any suggestions for how to address specific issue, I'm always interested to hear.
I have multiple accounts and play League a lot. I also have the ability to check reports against me and am yet to be reported for giving constructive feedback.
At the end of the game i got reported by the player and his friends for "Verbal Abuse" and whether or not the report counted towards a valid report, it still affects me to see a report notification popping up and discourages me from wanting to say / help anyone.
We removed that feature about 6 months back since it wasn't very meaningful and actually caused more confusion than anything else. That decision was based upon feedback from players like yourself.
Not xPeke1 votesCan I just ask why exactly players' reports lose value?
I personally don't see that helping much to be honest, but of course I realise I probably don't know best, it's why I'm asking. EDIT: The way I see it people can and still will fake report and call for players to be reported aka causing a negative environment in game and in postgame chat. So reducing it won't really solve issues in my opinion.
I can see people's report weights being reduced actually having a negative impact in the game.
Say someone is trigger happy but is not intending to abuse the system in a malicious way per say - he reports often because he genuinely feels it was right to report someone he deems worthy of it, but isn't trying to abuse the system.
What happens if their report weight is reduced and they actually report ban-worthy players? Will the "punishable" players get a pass because it so happened the reporting player had his report weight reduced? Or does it interact slightly differently? I'm just confused in regards to situations like those.
Thank you for your time.
Styrofoam Condom2 votes[{quoted}](name=Not Xpeke,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2016-04-28T20:51:19.324+0000)
Can I just ask why exactly players' reports lose value?
I personally don't see that helping much to be honest, but of course I realise I probably don't know best, it's why I'm asking. EDIT: The way I see it people can and still will fake report and call for players to be reported aka causing a negative environment in game and in postgame chat. So reducing it won't really solve issues in my opinion.
I can see people's report weights being reduced actually having a negative impact in the game.
Say someone is trigger happy but is not intending to abuse the system in a malicious way per say - he reports often because he genuinely feels it was right to report someone he deems worthy of it, but isn't trying to abuse the system.
What happens if their report weight is reduced and they actually report ban-worthy players? Will the "punishable" players get a pass because it so happened the reporting player had his report weight reduced? Or does it interact strightly differently? I'm just confused in regards to situations like those.
Thank you for your time.
Not speaking for riot, but think of the analogy the boy who cried wolf. If you just keep reporting people all the time (without just cause), eventually the ones who truly deserve it will fall through the cracks. Especially if Riots reporting system devalue's your reports due to "spam".
Not xPeke2 votesYes, that's exactly my point though. If the system devalues someone's report due to "spam", doesn't that hurt the community more? People who truly deserve it will be able to get off from being reported just because someone with a reduced report weight reported them.
Sure the boy who cried wolf is a legit argument, and in no way do I mean to imply that it's okay to spam reports, but I believe reducing someone's weight does more harm than good overall.
At the end of the day, if you "fake" report someone, nothing bad will happen to the player reported. So what's the point in having the system devalue players' reports?
I found a really old post of Rioter Lyte (I think it was him) where the main argument in having playes' report weight reduced was that report calling and fake reporting could be used to bully people during the game which in turn would be creating a negative atmosphere.
EDIT: I can try and find it again but I've stumbled across it quite some time ago so not sure if I can find the link again.
However I believe reducing a player's report weight will not solve this. If I were a "toxic" player I could easily still ask people to report you, or threaten you with a possible report at end game, etc. In other words, the negative aspect of fake reporting and spam reporting doesn't change in either case, don't you agree?
Was just wondering if a Rioter could try to help me understand the issue more, as I could be missing something in my chain of thought.
TrulyBland2 votesNote: I'm not working for Riot, so I don't know the exact processes, this is largely based on assumptions, which are partially based on various redposts I red over the years, and partially based on how I'd do it conceptually.
Due to the size of the player base, Riot wants to leave as much as possible to the automated process, since that saves a lot of time, money and effort. But since they're handling player accounts, they also want as little false positives as possible.
From the second condition it follows that when the automated process is uncertain what to do, it will instead of doing something snd it towards for manual review. It follows from the first condition, that you want this to happen as rarely as possible. Logically, that means you want to have the automated process to be as accurate (and thus certain in its actions) as you can achieve.
But here's the thing, you can't possibly know that the system will detect all kinds of toxicity, so the uncertainty in pardoning a case is always higher. It has to, at least occasionally, still trigger a manual review, no matter how certain it is in its verdict. Just to make sure it's not missing something.
That's where report filtering come in handy, since... well say somebody literally reports every single person they have ever played with and the system's sure their newest report was bogus, then you really don't need to check that report manually. Chances are it's just another false report. If somebody however only ever reports the worst of the worst, and their report didn't result in a punishment? That's something you might want to check, so if somebody like that reports somebody, the uncertainty of the system in pardoning will be higher.
Again, this is all highly based on how I'd do it... and I hardly have any expertise. Still, might give you an idea how report filtering could help Riot.
Not xPeke1 votesThank you, that actually does help me see it from the opposite perspective I started thinking from, and sounds like it's definitely at least part of the reasoning behind things being the way they are. It makes sense.
I still believe having players out there with a reduced weight report (deserved or not) could in turn allow punishable players to escape punishment.
Having said that however, I can imagine and accept why the situation is handled as such afterall, so I can't really blame the policy being used in that way.
Styrofoam Condom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:46:48.541+0000)
This is why players' reports lose value. If you have any suggestions for how to address specific issue, I'm always interested to hear.
I know sometimes my messages can come off a bit blunt, but in the heat of a game (especially ranked) it's sometimes not easy to eloquently use niceties and thus leading to misguided messages. That being said, not everyone is as mindful as they should be.
The biggest problem we faced (on the stuff i worked on ) was addressing tone / sensitivity. Because not every sentence is met with ill intent but not every comment was innocent especially those of passive aggressive nature either . And i too have been guilty of in heated games saying things that i didnt really mean to come across as mean but was mistaken as, (But i could see why someone thought i was a dick)
Experienced abusers know how to get away with being mean but not breaking the system entirely.
Flagging first and addressing the cause before the threshold is hit to deliver a punishment a good first step.
I would love to go about this further in detail or at least provide a skeleton implementation if it won't fall on deaf ears.
Im just too OP1 votesI will oppose this. I believe that riot should be forced to act on what seems like a big thing. For eg. THIS JNGLR IS A FKIN RETARD REPORTED FEEDING ENEMY JUNGLER AND TOXIC. while it was actually 0/1/1 and all you say is "lol messed up". Now personally, id say, "its all good. Gain some gold." Truly. The only yi main who doesnt flames. Has its advantages. Maybe a system where people report by highlighting a part of their chat history. Would solve a lot of problems. Riot can pin point the mistakes. And judge on a realistic note: check the flamant's behaviour history, check the flaming behaviour history. See how strong the flame is depending on their behaviour. I would say more, but this post is already too long.
RottedApples1 voteshow do i know what value my reports have? I do use the report feature a lot but sometimes I use it when i'm not sure whether or not anything did happen in the game but based on post game shenanigans i see enemies arguing about something. I'm not looking to see anyone get punished by doing this but merely I want rito to see the game and see if it warrants any action. I did this recently where it seemed like there was stuff going on on the enemy team but I had no idea what was happening so when people were like, "please report x champ" after the game I just told them I reported the whole team and was gonna let rito figure out what happens to people (if anything)
I'd rather report someone and have it not amount to anything because they were innocent than let toxic people go because I didn't know they were being extremely toxic in their chat and didn't report at all.
GigglesO1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:46:48.541+0000)
I have multiple accounts and play League a lot. I also have the ability to check reports against me and am yet to be reported for giving constructive feedback.
Please don't check my reports (ha ha), but I do have something to say on the op's behalf. There are a lot of players that just really get angry about anything being said. You could even say something as small as "Please stop feeding" and people go crazy, like you are asking the world of them. Another one is "Please get out of the jungle and gank".
Sure they might not be the nicest ways of saying things, but it doesn't take much to get some of these players super angry. I've had a game going in where someone asked for a first pick kindred. The guy obliged and picked kindred for him, and within 2 seconds of kindred being picked he proceeded saying hey, who do you want, you better talk fast, I'm going to troll if you don't say something, hey f*** tard do you talk?
Between his kindred being picked, and the last line took him close to 5 seconds (pro typer).
Just the act of doing what he wanted, and not instantly giving him someone to pick got him raging.
I've also had people add me after games because they "didn't like my champion select" Just to rage at me.
"You really think that your strategy works in a higher mmr" "You just have scrub tactics, and that is why you won" "They don't let games get to the 40 minute mark in diamond" "You found the one strat that covers up your lack of skill"
Best example I can get is when someone said "don't ban zed"
Apparently they banned him in his last queue...
Lady Septimus1 votesDo reports ever increase in value? How do players know that their reports are effective and working, and that they are making correct reports? I want to make sure I am actually reporting toxic behavior, but I feel what is considered toxic behavior can also be very subjective because it can all depend on the perceived tone of the text.
xReadyPlayerOnex3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:46:48.541+0000)
This is why players' reports lose value. If you have any suggestions for how to address specific issue, I'm always interested to hear.
I have multiple accounts and play League a lot. I also have the ability to check reports against me and am yet to be reported for giving constructive feedback.
We removed that feature about 6 months back since it wasn't very meaningful and actually caused more confusion than anything else. That decision was based upon feedback from players like yourself.
Great Job informing the community... Sorry for the sarcasm, but I didn't know it was removed and I'm willing to bet 10k gold at the start of a game that millions of other people don't either.
Removing the only means by which people could see their behavior outside of punishments doesn't help. It may not detract... but it's quite obvious something needs to be done to help people understand they're pushing closer to a level that isn't going to be fun. If the idea is to correct their behavior and not to punish people then there should be a way to gauge their "threat" so to speak.
I think there's a LOT of specific suggestions tossed around. Many of them GREAT suggestions, others not so much. And the only consistent thing I see is RIOTers playing politics, sticking to policy and offering very little feedback regarding them. Do I think you should address every post about how one guys being a jerk and doesn't agree with why he was banned? No. But when there's HUNDREDs of those forum posts I think you owe it to us to explain how you plan to address the obvious problems that lead them to get there. It's not merely their toxicity, it's their inability to gauge their progress and the systems inability to provide leniency for those who are trying to improve. Among many, many, many other things that just don't seem to be addressed, ever, and don't seem to be made a priority when looking at this system.
Really hope to hear what you have to say about it.
themachamp1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2016-04-28T19:46:48.541+0000)
This is why players' reports lose value. If you have any suggestions for how to address specific issue, I'm always interested to hear.
I have multiple accounts and play League a lot. I also have the ability to check reports against me and am yet to be reported for giving constructive feedback.
We removed that feature about 6 months back since it wasn't very meaningful and actually caused more confusion than anything else. That decision was based upon feedback from players like yourself.
If you play with an account with "riot" in the name of course you will be treated differently >>
TrulyBland1 votesMost Rioters have incognito accounts without Riot in their name.
AramsAreBest1 votesI think what he is arguing is that the definition of toxicity in riots eyes is wrong
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FxTLBeFc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-28T17:51:38.811+0000)
Please give me an example of ridiculous things causing punishments. I'd very much like to look into it. The system has an EXTREMELY low false positive rate, and we take false positives very seriously.
If you want to disable your chat, just resize your chat window. There are many discussions around how to do it.
Just because something is "working as intended" doesn't mean it isn't flawed in many ways. I'd very much like to look into a lot of things about this system. Its false positive rate is not one of them. Not even on my top 10.
Lothàrs Edge2 votesIt seems like most people are refusing to address the little bit of right within the OP's post.
Anything we say can and will be used against us, whether by teammates or by the Riot itself.
It's more so the fact that almost anything can be construed as "trolling" and people are so insistent on reporting each other that it makes it difficult to want to co-operate as a team. If someone was being overtly annoying/disrespectful, they wouldn't have a place in the outside world if they were to act in the same degree as they do behind a screen. Have some empathy for your fellow men.
