League's justice system is TERRIBLE

Mikie74·Mar 10, 2016·3 votes·358 views

Honestly, I don't know how whoever makes these decisions, has kept their jobs for god knows how long.

this being a game, trash talking is fun, all kinds of people do it everywhere, but instead of making it a problem and muting people, you should have the option of being matched with people who are fine with trash talking, and those who feel sensitive to that kind of behavior. that way no one gets banned, and no one hates riot, AND now people get to vent without being frustrated over a ban or whatever.

I can kind of get the perspective some people are coming from, I've seen riot lyte's posts, but all i can think of when I see that which i consider to be garbage are social justice warriors and it's just frustrating. (It's very similar to being pro-life from my perspective.) it's really not that big of a deal, the only exceptions i can think of are death threats or kill yourself remarks.

leaver buster, who in their right minds makes this happen? this is so frustrating, because team builder was great and now you have this new queue, which i actually just got penalized for because my neighbor happened to knock on the door, there is WAY too much waiting around for picks and bans. I just want to queue up and you know play that character i want to play. people should just be fired lol. I'm sorry, it's just embarrassing to be messing around with a system that was already good, and now this. All this tells me is that riot wastes their time redoing stuff that doesn't need to be redone instead of expanding actual gameplay and taking the game experience to new levels. but whatever do your thing riot. i'm still playing your game. haha.

8 Comments

RandomoniumMar 10, 20163 votes

I think most people would be pretty happy with a "toxic" queue and a "non-toxic" queue. That said, I doubt Riot will ever do it because 1) splitting the player base into multiple queues makes queue times longer and match making less balanced and 2) Riot doesn't want to reward toxic behavior with its own queue. What it really comes down to is Riot has decided to take a strong stand on toxic behavior and I can't really fault them for that. If you don't like their stance then you don't agree to their Terms of Use and you should not play the game or spend money on it (remember that you click "I agree" to the terms of use every time a new patch comes out.) There are plenty of other MOBAs where I'm sure you can trash talk all you want.

If you don't want to wait for picks/bans just play blind pick.

Disagree with you on the AFK point. One person going AFK severely inhibits a team's ability to win so there have to be harsh punishments to discourage people from doing it (especially in ranked.)

Mikie74Mar 11, 20161 votes

well it wouldn't be a "toxic" or "non-toxic" queue, the word toxic promotes extreme bias. and again you say toxic, but that has to be the most unrealistic thing to have people join the "toxic" queue, it's not rewarding, it's adding structure to an already flawed system. they're basically banning their own playerbase, which from what we've heard has a pretty strong so called toxic playerbase. instead of making a separate queue, just make it more likely for people who feel comfortable with being open on how they really feel about their teammates. for example "top laner you're garbage. yeah, well botlane you suck **** " It's kind of relieving to be open with that kind of thing, than to be pent up inside. but they need to be matched together and please give people the courteousy of having the option at first, and if they behave in so and so manner, that they get matched with so and so.

riot can have whatever stand they want, i'm just expressing my views on how it's flawed and how i kind of hate it, however i enjoy playing well enough to continue playing.

it almost reminds me of peoples views on drug use and how certain peoples lives are ruined because of their addictions, and instead of being treated and helped, they are reprimanded and worse off than before. in these cases people vent because they think other people suck (besides themselves) and then they get banned because someone else sucked and ruined the game for them so now that player is doubly frustrated both at rito AND these other players, which i feel gives us the very idea of toxicity by being poisoned and emotionally frustrated.

like i still don't understand why riot doesn't have an option for people who don't want to play the meta sometimes people feel like playing yi support, or janna jungle, and instead of having those kinds of options we only have one queue FABULOUS... can we see the problem here??? lol

blind pick doesn't give me the character i want to play like team builder did

sure in ranked that might be appropriate, but if i'm playing an aram. these like 30 min to an hour games, and i can't take a minute break or so before leaverbuster bans me for afk or whatnot. dear lord lol.

RandomoniumMar 11, 20161 votes

Only about 1% of the community ever gets a permanent ban so I don't think the toxic community is as large as you think it is. Even if five times that amount of people decided to switch that's not enough to support a single queue let alone multiple options like Ranked, ARAM, draft, and blind pick. So yeah, its not really a flawed system there just isn't enough interest to justify it or support it.

A far easier and better solution is for you to find some friends who enjoy playful banter and trash talking each other and use skype or curse while you are playing. That allows you to have you fun while not ruining the fun of others or leaving a huge chat log of evidence that can be used against you. When I play with friends we trash talk each other all the time. However, trash talking a friend and trash talking a complete stranger are two very different things. Its just not socially acceptable to trash talk or be disrespectful to a stranger in real life, so why would it be socially acceptable to do it in a video game?

No, this problem is nothing like drug addiction. Drug addition is a disease. Wanting to be a dick to people on the internet because you are anonymous and don't want to face any repercussions is not a disease.

Its perfectly fine to play off meta stuff in blind pick or draft pick normal queues, you just have to clear it with your allies first. Most people are fine with me doing off meta stuff if I at least talk to them about it. Its when you intalock a weird pick and don't say anything that people start to get worried and think you are trolling. Have fun, but never at the expense of other people. Also, playing off meta stuff is really easy to do if you group up with like minded people (something that will be really easy to do with the new clubs feature.) There just isn't enough of the player base that feels like you to support your own queue. The queue times and matchmaking would be horrible.

Leavebuster doesn't take effect until you've AFKed for at least 5 minutes. Are you serious that you can't sit still and play a game for 30 min or an hour without having to take a 5+ minute break? (ARAMs are usually even shorter than that too) Do you take breaks when you watch TV or a movie? I don't know, that just seems really weird that you can't complete a game without taking breaks. Do you have a bladder issue or ADD or something?

Mikie74Mar 11, 20161 votes

I have continuously heard that league has a huge toxic population, and aren't there number that league posts themselves which land somewhere in the thousands? that sounds like quite a bit.

my reasoning is mostly meant to acquiesce to what already happens. not to "what should be done"

it was supposed to be a metaphor. which i can see clearly, but if you want to take it literally, i'm obviously not communicating the point to you.

that sounds ridiculous, because you're basically already locked in with those people. and if you want to do something now you can't or else you're a "troll"

and it's not to support my own private luxury queue, you're just more likely to be matched with these people i'm playing a game, i'm not at work, i could understand you're reasoning if i were getting paid but i'm not.

see this is what in my mind makes a toxic person, they look to every possible way to critique you and make something personal. bladder issue? ADD? an hour is a freaking long time and granted one of these games, something will happen that i need to get up and leave.

you're looking to find flaws in my post and tell me why i'm wrong, but i'm not the one you should be critiquing because I don't make the rules. and there are definitely flaws in this system. it's surprising to me that people, who actually have their jobs working for riot have not been able to come to something better, so in my mind, it's no surprise that there is this huge "toxic" community. because riot gives incentive to this community based on their reporting system, it kind of turns people against each other.

but again it's just a game it just gets sad when people take things like ranked and just normal games so seriously and play so often that they get really really sour, and you can tell pretty quickly.

franticFurballMar 10, 20163 votes

this being a game, trash talking is fun

Whats fun to you is not necessarily whats fun to others.

Mikie74Mar 11, 20161 votes

if you read the rest you understand that that's not all i had to say about it. please don't take things out of context and try to explain to me something i already know, thanks.

MasterSomethingMar 10, 20161 votes

I don't mind getting trash talked. I do mind when someone won't shut up about my mother and cancer in the same sentence.

Mikie74Mar 11, 20161 votes

yeah, i love trash talking, when i'm in the mood for it, but the fine line for me is like when you hear things like "kill urself" that's way too much for me.

my problem is getting muted and banned for things that should be insignificant. i feel like if league didn't make such big deal of promoting "anti-toxicity" then it wouldn't be as bad as it really is. even hearing the word toxic to me is toxic.

granted, there are some really negative people out there who just feel the need to make other people as miserable as they are, i see them at my workplace, i know they exist. but there are some people like myself who i feel like just like to be dark and sinister, but we realize it's just a game and shouldn't be taken seriously.

I also feel like there are just so many ways to fixing leagues "toxicity problem" but riot just isn't using the right approaches, and it's kind of ironic because they are definitely getting paid ...