is taking cs as support reportable?

Fina13xam·Mar 1, 2016·2 votes·4,017 views

so today im playing adc and my support just starts clearing all my creep waves (velkoz).

i asked him to stop and he wouldnt. he was literally following me raound taking all my cs.

i ended up just saying fk it and afking because im useless w/o items. whole team blamed me tho

15 Comments

disregardableMar 1, 20165 votes

You can report for whatever you want.

This is a community driven punishment system. If he gets reported a large majority of his games (say 80%) for stealing CS, then enough people think stealing cs is a negative behavior to warrant a punishment.

Now, that will almost never be the case. Not enough people actually report for stealing cs, and he may not even do it consistently. But you're welcome to voice your opinion (via the report) that it should be.

JorenciceMar 1, 20163 votes

Lol... he takes a couple hundred gold so you completely rage quit? WoW...

Troll ArmadaMar 1, 20163 votes

sigh, if only... but then you will have morons claiming that they are healing you even though you are at full health.

adc always gets blamed, 99% of the time it's miserable support, but for some reason league players cannot think past the last 5 minutes of the game. They will ask you things like, "why you no got damage!?!?!?"

NinjaOFireMar 1, 20162 votes

no xD

FrankerXMar 1, 20162 votes

no that would be stupid?

Best Boop NAMar 1, 20162 votes

Taking farm as a support is not reportable, being a jerk and intentionally crippling your adc is. I play support all the time and take cs whenever my adc cant get it, or sometime it just happens, but I am not trying to mess over the other player. This vel was not reportable by taking cs, but was reportable because he was intentionally messing someone over.

mccoyezMar 1, 20162 votes

flip the coin and ask "is it reportable for the adc to not last hit minions"? if perfect cs at 10min is around 100, 20 min is around 220. If you're on adc, and ave under 70% of the cs, that's 30% of the income being completely lost. I've rarely seen games where the adc is blamed, the blame order goes, jungle > supp > worst kda > other two. if a lane loses it's the jungler's fault, if the adc loses, it's the supports fault.

StephenizgodMar 1, 20161 votes

Why would you afk? Thats worse than the Vel'koz stealing CS... Besides there is no rule saying the Support can't CS or get kills, its just a better idea to let the ADC get them because they scale with items. Vel'koz however is an AP champion who does pretty good with a few items, I have seen many Vel'koz Supports start CSing so they can build AP items to increase their burst potential.

TarsiantMar 1, 20161 votes

I agree that taking Vel'koz to the support role, and then cs-ing as the support is not the right thing to do. Vel' is a damage dealer, and without damage, he is just squishy with a very low threat level. He does need CS to be relevant, and Vel'koz with money is not a bad thing. Vel'koz as a support is not a good thing.

That said, I understand and agree with your frustration, but AFK'ing and making everyone have a bad game does not fix anything. There are always people who are stubborn and at times unreasonable, and it's best to just be the better person and not let it get to you.

I hope you get a good (or at lest decent) support next time, but if you don't, it's probably because they aren't really a support player.

StephenizgodMar 1, 20161 votes

The Boob CreamerSep 18, 20171 votes

Yes, it 100% absolutely should be. There is absolutely -0- excuse for a support, no matter what his champion is, to start taking CS from the ADC. Even if the ADC misses every last hit on planet earth, there is no excuse under the sun for a support to start taking cs during lane phase. I -ALWAYS- report this.

I am a main support player who recently started playing a lot of ADC, and I speak from experience when I say that: you have no business being a support, or queuing as a support, or even queuing "fill" with a chance at being a support, if you are not willing to find another way to generate gold revenue, zone properly, heal, ward, shield, CC and do everything in your power to ensure your ADC has an optimal chance to farm and last hit.

Support is the most important position in the game, and if you're going to fuck it up that badly, you deserve to have every punishment available under the sun cast upon you.

Imperial PandaaSep 18, 20173 votes

First, why are you commenting on a thread from a 2 years ago?

Second, it shouldn't be. Why? Because there are cases for it:

Adc is back and the wave is going to crash into tower before they come back. At the least I am going to kill 2 casters to make a slow push.
We forced a back and want to deny as much cs to the enemy by crashing it in.
Accident because abilities killed a minion.
My AD just got a kill. A kill is worth about 12 cs, so we go back to case 2.
Pushing tower and killing/weakening creeps while minions and ad kill tower.

You can report it all you want, but those reports will get thrown out unless the support is being toxic

The Boob CreamerOct 30, 20171 votes

Likewise opener, what are you doing commenting on a 2 year old thread?

I don't disagree with this, if its on the tower itself, sure, the support should try and clean up. 1a) This doesn't apply to minions that aren't on the tower, if the wave is merely stalled, the support should just last hit minions that would die otherwise and leave as much as he/she can for the adc upon return
Oddly, you've managed to buttress a true and simple concept with a blanket of falsity. Absolutely you should deny as much cs as possible by running it into the enemy tower before going back. This still doesn't mean support is supposed to take cs
Excused - (edit) I will add, that this is only excused if this is a rare occurrence. Some champions are tougher to stop cs creep than others. If your abilities keep happening to "accidentally take cs" almost every other wave, then yeah, that is not an accident. And in the case of the OP, where the Vel'Koz was clearly just using their ult to steal cs waves, yeah that should absolutely be reported. That is ridiculous on so many levels its insane to even contemplate an opposing point of view on this matter.
Still not grounds for support taking cs
Still not grounds for support taking cs

No report is ever "thrown out." Despite what many here would like you to believe. It leaves a trail, which when taken together with future reports , can, and will, lead to punishments.

EL HAMSTEROSep 18, 20171 votes

do you feel that when someone locks support they are committing to babysitting the adc no matter how terrible or trolly they are?

as support you can tell pretty fast when your adc is going to be worthless. in this case your options are

support as normal and hope one of your other lanes carries because bot lane is going to be useless
leave the lane and support top or mid instead
start taking as much cs as you can so you can help the team later on

most people will say its the support's duty to go down with the ship and stand loyally with your terrible adc but i disagree. if you really want to win options 2 and 3 are better.

a while back i had an adc who got hit with 5 blitz hooks in the first 7 mins of the game as sivir. swear to god. i left lane and supported mid and dont feel a bit bad for it. i dont know if they were trolling or terrible but there is nothing i can do for them if they are getting hooked every 20 seconds. i would also think taking all the cs is justified at that point.