Is this really enough for a 14 day ban?

Finally··1 votes·907 views

I'm sure there are ton's of these and I'll admit im pretty toxic and I've been trying to work on it and I have been honestly. However is this enoughf or a 14 day ban?

Game 1 Finally: you cant dive me nerd Finally: im the best Finally: blaze it Finally: gg ez Finally: i win Finally: no ganksbad jg Finally: gank more nerd Finally: if i tried to get cs i would be 2/12 Finally: solo killed? Finally: LOLOL Finally: wait I WAS SOLOED? Finally: lmao Finally: so kha wasnt here? Finally: lvl 2 Finally: shit he soloed me Finally: learn to jg Finally: ive gotten soloed one twice by this man Finally: hes jg knows how to gank Finally: ? Finally: why are you here? Finally: why are you pushing my lane Finally: you have 8 more cs than me Finally: with 0 deaths Finally: lmao Finally: shitter Finally: learn to cs Finally: 8 deaths Finally: 8 lesscs Finally: you dont know how to cs Finally: you were losing ur lane too Finally: but you got ganks i saw Finally: you were 50 cs behind Finally: i got camped top and its an olaf Finally: with no ganks Finally: yeah im pretty sure Finally: LOL Finally: ? Finally: maybe a nsus Finally: but olaf has a q and ghost Finally: i cant belive you just typed that lmao Finally: yasuo you died because mf was standing still Finally: feel sad Finally: go ahead Finally: tried to gank olaf at lvlv 14 Finally: lmao Finally: 0/4 ashe more cs than our adc Finally: whats up Finally: see me where Finally: i should kill myself Finally: vecause of a video game? Finally: nice cs mf Finally: yeah Finally: and more cs than vayne Finally: explain that Finally: ashe has more cs too Finally: troll support? Finally: lmao Finally: ur supp has more sc Finally: rengar you didnt gank top and ur salt Finally: you ganked once and you died to Finally: so that didnt get me head Finally: you know that lmao Finally: qt Finally: tyler1 Finally: you were 3/0 mf Finally: youve died 6 times doing shit Finally: you came to my lane and took 3 waves Finally: still less cs than me Finally: did i ask Finally: :> Finally: RENGAR MANA OP Finally: dont explain idrc Finally: 0/11 Finally: dank 1v1 Finally: gg Finally: shit team Finally: Godsu

My team was flaming me because I was doing pretty shit on vayne, even telling me to kill myself as i even comment about it in game. I didnt remove anything from this. I also said " shit team " at the end because i thought it was funny that we won even though i was 2/9 at one point but ended up 11/14 and we won. I also called someone a shitter because they were trying to flame me for doing bad, telling me to off myself and that i don't know how to play. I didn't report any of them after the game, because personally idc enough to. I've been banned before and not going to lie chat restriction made sense i said some bad stuff so i never doubted it. But the most directed thing i said to someone here was " nerd ". Is this really enough for a 14 day ban? Iremember when dunkey got banned for 14 days he said some pretty powerful stuff. Is this really the same level? At the top of the ban it even says " Because a player-triggered review found your in=game comms excessively inflammatory and offensive, your account's been suspended " Can someone really say this is excessively inflammatory? If it is I must just be blind.

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SmokedAlmonds4 votes

Enough for a ban isn't really a thing. There is enough for a punishment, or enough to be escalated to a higher punishment. Severity is only one factor. The others and often more significant factors are frequency and recidivism. Even those minor things are considered unacceptable. There is some slack to tolerate a small amount of "bad day" type of situations. Punishments are not just a slap on the wrist and send you on your way thing. You cannot just continue the negative behavior, or you will be permanently banned. Every punishment is pushing a person towards a permanent ban.

Finally1 votes

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Enough for a ban isn't really a thing. There is enough for a punishment, or enough to be escalated to a higher punishment. Severity is only one factor. The others and often more significant factors are frequency and recidivism. Even those minor things are considered unacceptable. There is some slack to tolerate a small amount of "bad day" type of situations. Punishments are not just a slap on the wrist and send you on your way thing. You cannot just continue the negative behavior, or you will be permanently banned. Every punishment is pushing a person towards a permanent ban.

I should have worded my title differently. In my eyes I don't see this game as even punishable. I would be shocked if i was muted for this. Also how would this game not fall into the bad day catergory? I never started typing looking to flame people. I usually only responded to my team unless i was typing something funny like " im the best " after i died top.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Its not terrible or anything. You are clearly going back and forth with someone who was probably very toxic. That said, the negativity you were responding with just escalates things. Not only is it just more negativity in general, but it gives the other guy something to respond to which is almost guaranteed to be negative. You shouldn't respond to those people. WIthout someone to go back and forth with it usually limits them to just a few comments because it is hard to keep something like that going by yourself.

The bad day thing has more to do with frequency. If that happened 1 in 1000 games nothing would happen. Since you discribed yourself as toxic and working on it it sounds like you have been punished before. Which means you are already way past bad day frequency territory.

Were you 10 and/or 25 game chat restricted before this?

Finally2 votes

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Its not terrible or anything. You are clearly going back and forth with someone who was probably very toxic. That said, the negativity you were responding with just escalates things. Not only is it just more negativity in general, but it gives the other guy something to respond to which is almost guaranteed to be negative. You shouldn't respond to those people. WIthout someone to go back and forth with it usually limits them to just a few comments because it is hard to keep something like that going by yourself.

The bad day thing has more to do with frequency. If that happened 1 in 1000 games nothing would happen. Since you discribed yourself as toxic and working on it it sounds like you have been punished before. Which means you are already way past bad day frequency territory.

Were you 10 and/or 25 game chat restricted before this?

Yes I was, which is why I am shocked that i was punished here. The other times I was punished it made 100% sense trust me lmao. There was no doubt or even room for doubt. Yes i was recieveing death threats from my team and getting flamed but just ignore that. Just the stuff I typed in my eyes don't even warrant a ban. or a punishment in my eyes. I'm not a fan of the inconsistency of their system. I always thought it worked fine, but I think most people can agree this punishment is atleast a stretch compared to to others on this board...

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

This isn't an inconsistency. There is just no slack left on your rope. Your history of negative behavior is just catching up to you. If you don't already know, you next punishment, even extremely minor, will result in a permanent ban.

You can't really directly compare punishments. The chat logs are only an example of their behavior and it only speaks to the severity. One guy might have 20 games of calling people bad/idiot type stuff, another might have 3 games being racist. In both cases they are going to have 1-3 chat logs. If the first guy had been punished 3 times before he would be getting a permanent ban and if the racist guy hadn't been punished before he would probably get a 14 day ban. Both would be correct. But if you look at those cases just based on the chat logs it would look ridiculous that the first guy got a worse punishment than the second. But it just isn't considering the whole situation.

Finally1 votes

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This isn't an inconsistency. There is just no slack left on your rope. Your history of negative behavior is just catching up to you. If you don't already know, you next punishment, even extremely minor, will result in a permanent ban.

You can't really directly compare punishments. The chat logs are only an example of their behavior and it only speaks to the severity. One guy might have 20 games of calling people bad/idiot type stuff, another might have 3 games being racist. In both cases they are going to have 1-3 chat logs. If the first guy had been punished 3 times before he would be getting a permanent ban and if the racist guy hadn't been punished before he would probably get a 14 day ban. Both would be correct. But if you look at those cases just based on the chat logs it would look ridiculous that the first guy got a worse punishment than the second. But it just isn't considering the whole situation.

I udnerstand what yo uare saying, but I just don't see how this is punishable. My team only reported me because I was doing really shit in lane for most of the game. Not for anything I typed, which wasnt anything really.. I could have said the same exact stuff and done well in lane and I wouldn't have gotten punished here lol. Now that I think about it I basically got banned for losing lane lmao

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

That is entirely spin. You were not banned for losing lane.

Sure, some people might decide that winning cancels out someone's toxicity. I disagree, but that is their prerogative. But, that doesn't invalidate the reports when someone was negative and losing. You were punished for the content of your chat, not anything related to winning/losing.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn32 votes

The unfortunate part for you, is the system does NOT care if they were assaulting you verbally, the system does NOT care if they were harassing you, the system just does NOT care about YOU. It looks at the fact that you spent the entire game talking nearly, and that you said some words that are trigger words. Where are the other two matches? It takes 3 matches for a 14 day ban typically. Post those and I might agree personally that it was a false report. But I am not RIOT. ALSO, as I said, the system is not designed to take into account whether they were abusing you. Only that you talk way too much and said trigger words. Personally, I wouldn't want to play with you, as I would have to mute you.

Great Muta1 votes

My 14 day ban game only had one game with a chat transcript. Game also happened to have multiple people rallying for reports from the other team for me.

Finally1 votes

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The unfortunate part for you, is the system does NOT care if they were assaulting you verbally, the system does NOT care if they were harassing you, the system just does NOT care about YOU. It looks at the fact that you spent the entire game talking nearly, and that you said some words that are trigger words. I agree with review of the game that it wasn't that toxic. But where are the other two matches? It takes 3 matches for a 14 day ban typically. Post those and I might agree personally that it was a false report. But I am not RIOT. ALSO, as I said, the system is not designed to take into account whether they were abusing you. Only that you talk way too much and said trigger words.

I don't know what is typical I pressed the copy function and press CTRL + V. I know that the system doesn't care about twhat they said. In all honesty I am just shocked that I would get banned for this. I have said way worse long ago when I was really toxic and only got a mute. Also what trigger words? Is it because I typed " kill yourself " ? it wasn't directed at anyone, because they told me to kill myself and I was confused as to why I should die because I was doing bad in a video game.

Kei1433 votes

it's not about "how bad the chat is", it's about "is this chat punishable?", and if the answer is yes to the latter question, then you will be punished.

The next question would be "which punishment tier are you at", and you were at 25 game chat restrict previously. So going up the tiers, you will be punished for 14-days.

Btw, your next punishment is permaban.

Finally1 votes

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it's not about "how bad the chat is", it's about "is this chat punishable?", and if the answer is yes to the latter question, then you will be punished.

The next question would be "which punishment tier are you at", and you were at 25 game chat restrict previously. So going up the tiers, you will be punished for 14-days.

Btw, your next punishment is permaban.

I disagree, I hope you actually revewied the chat. This doesn't seem punishable in my eyes. Yes I had a mute a while ago, but it was because I said some bad stuff. The most directed thing here was " nerd ". or even shitter even tho that wasn't directed at anyone. i didnt tell anyone to die or call them a retard or something. If I do I couldn't complain. I made a support ticket to riot actually because this system sis automatic. I just want to see if a real employee thinks this is truly punishable. I posted this here to get the communities opinion. To me this isn't even reportable. Telling someone to kill themselves is, which is what I recieved and when they said that to me I said nothing rude in return as you can see in the logs.

Kei1431 votes

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Game 1 Finally: you cant dive me nerd Finally: im the best

Finally: gg ez

Finally: no ganksbad jg Finally: gank more nerd

Finally: learn to jg

Finally: shitter Finally: learn to cs

Finally: nice cs mf Finally: yeah Finally: and more cs than vayne Finally: explain that Finally: ashe has more cs too

Finally: troll support? Finally: lmao

Finally: rengar you didnt gank top and ur salt Finally: you ganked once and you died to Finally: so that didnt get me head Finally: you know that lmao

Finally: tyler1

Finally: shit team Finally: Godsu

Looks warranted to me.

Finally1 votes

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Looks warranted to me.

How so? Ill comment on every single one of these you copied.

"Finally: you cant dive me nerd Finally: im the best" This was after he dived me and killed me and I thought it was funny.

"Finally: gg ez" After he killed me again and I was 0/2

"Finally: no ganksbad jg Finally: gank more nerd Finally: learn to jg" He called me a trash feeding top laner so i said this. also this isnt punishable at all. Not even in the slightest

Finally: shitter Finally: learn to cs

Finally: nice cs mf Finally: yeah Finally: and more cs than vayne Finally: explain that Finally: ashe has more cs too" My adc was coming to my lane and taking my farm telling me I didnt need it because I " suck dick at this video game and you are trash "

"Finally: rengar you didnt gank top and ur salt Finally: you ganked once and you died to Finally: so that didnt get me head Finally: you know that lmao" How is this negative. Not sure why you even copied this.

Finally: tyler1 The enemy team was calling me gosu, godsu, and qt because i was feeding on vayne so when i get a kill i said tyler 1

Finally: shit team - already explained that i said this because we somehow won because i came back from my feeding. Finally: Godsu - already explained

Kei1431 votes

believe what you wish, explain as you may, doesn't change the fact that this specific log got you punished (you were punished for creating a negative environment for others).

I explained my side, up to you the take the advise and maybe stop causing a negative environment.

reminder that your next punishment is a permaban~

Finally1 votes

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believe what you wish, explain as you may, doesn't change the fact that this specific log got you punished (you were punished for creating a negative environment for others).

I explained my side, up to you the take the advise and maybe stop causing a negative environment.

reminder that your next punishment is a permaban~

You misunderstand this post, I don't see how this epcific log was punishable

Kei1431 votes

you've pretty much been being negative towards your team mates throughout the game.

Pointing out their mistakes in a mockery manner.

Either encourage them, or hush up.

Finally1 votes

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you've pretty much been being negative towards your team mates throughout the game.

Pointing out their mistakes in a mockery manner.

Either encourage them, or hush up.

My team was telling me to kill myself and calling me trash so i told our adc to learn how to cs. Rengar was the one telling me to die so i said learn to gank. Neither of those are punishable, just because it isnt super positive doesn't mean i should have been punished. The person that told me to kill myself is still currently playing the game.

Kei1431 votes

Your behavior punishment is not a game of I said this and got punished, thus he should as well.

I say this to you again:

believe what you wish, explain as you may, doesn't change the fact that this specific log got you punished

I've explained my side, up to you the take the advise

EvilDustMan2 votes

Odd. You should have more on your client. This is definitely stuff I'd put on a punishment list, you are being a shit. How long ago was your 25 game restriction, that can also affect it.

Finally1 votes

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Odd. You should have more on your client. This is definitely stuff I'd put on a punishment list, you are being a shit. How long ago was your 25 game restriction, that can also affect it.

Not sure it was this summer, I think near the beginning in june

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

The system didn't go "this is bad enough to warrant a ban". It's more like "is this behavior bad enough to deserve a reprimand of any kind?" There's a 4-tier punishment system (10-game CR, 25-game CR, 2-week ban, permaban), and each successive punishment steps you up to the next tier. It's possible to skip tiers if you really cross lines, but you didn't behave badly enough to justify that.

However, you were still fairly negative; enough to warrant a punishment, obviously. In this case your next step was a 14-day ban, so that's what happened. You've got a fine line to walk now, because the next infraction will trigger a permanent suspension.

To be perfectly honest, it looks like most of what you said was intended largely as trash-talking, but the point is that it still made the experience less fun for everyone else. It's very difficult to convey the tone you want through text, so it's easy for your comments to be interpreted as worse than you meant them to be. You just have to take this into account and clearly establish that it's all in good fun, and then be willing to stop if someone still seems to object.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

Finally1 votes

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The system didn't go "this is bad enough to warrant a ban". There's a 4-tier punishment system (10-game CR, 25-game CR, 2-week ban, permaban), and each successive punishment steps you up to the next tier. It's possible to skip tiers if you really cross lines, but you didn't behave badly enough to justify that.

However, you were still fairly negative; enough to warrant a punishment. In this case your next step was a 14-day ban, so that's what happened. You've got a fine line to walk now, because the next infraction will trigger a permanent suspension.

To be perfectly honest, it looks like most of what you said was intended largely as trash-talking, but the point is that it still made the experience less fun for everyone else. It's very difficult to convey the tone you want through text, so it's easy for your comments to be interpreted as worse than you meant them to be. You just have to take this into account and clearly establish that it's all in good fun, and then be willing to stop if someone still seems to object.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

I get that I was up in the tiers I understand, what I don't get is why this specific game was enough to warrant a ban. or even anything, If I got a char restriction for this I would be just as shocked . They were flaming me so I was talking back, not even in a bad way lol. I must just be blind because I don't see this as punishable

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

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It's very difficult to convey the tone you want through text, so it's easy for your comments to be interpreted as worse than you meant them to be. You just have to take this into account and clearly establish that it's all in good fun, and then be willing to stop if someone still seems to object.

yep, had a support morgana about two weeks ago literally fly off the handle at me for telling her GJ on multiple occasions. The context was she went in, ulted, got 3 kills and landed me two more and died. I said GJ. repeat process with her getting one kill and me getting two and her dying and I said GJ. I really meant GJ. seriously. 100% I meant GJ. But because she was frustrated at HERSELF for dying, because the typical response from an adc to a support who takes kills is negative, she believed that my GJ was an antagonistic attack on her.

So, my point is in all of this, In the competitiveness of League of Legends, when GJ can be thought by stressed individuals as TOXIC, whether it is or isnt, how much more do you think yours could be misinterpreted?

Finally1 votes

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yep, had a support morgana about two weeks ago literally fly off the handle at me for telling her GJ on multiple occasions. The context was she went in, ulted, got 3 kills and landed me two more and died. I said GJ. repeat process with her getting one kill and me getting two and her dying and I said GJ. I really meant GJ. seriously. 100% I meant GJ. But because she was frustrated at HERSELF for dying, because the typical response from an adc to a support who takes kills is negative, she believed that my GJ was an antagonistic attack on her.

So, my point is in all of this, In the competitiveness of League of Legends, when GJ can be thought by stressed individuals as TOXIC, whether it is or isnt, how much more do you think yours could be misinterpreted?

No matter the tone I don't see how this is punishable. I've reported people for worse like telling me to die, and they don't get a ban. I might as well have been actually roxic since I would have gotten the same punishment.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

I think this is RIOTs way of saying that NOT only is it the BEST option but its your ONLY option.

MUTE THEM!

DREADN0UGHT2 votes

God I would have muted you within the first 5 sentences. People like you are so irritating.

But I don't think that is ban worthy. Though if that behavior was repeated over several games, a chat restriction would be in order. Gotta shut the dog up at some point!

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

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God I would have muted you within the first 5 sentences. People like you are so irritating.

But I don't think that is ban worthy. Though if that behavior was repeated over several games, a chat restriction would be in order. Gotta shut the dog up at some point!

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Finally1 votes

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God I would have muted you within the first 5 sentences. People like you are so irritating.

But I don't think that is ban worthy. Though if that behavior was repeated over several games, a chat restriction would be in order. Gotta shut the dog up at some point!

None of the first 5 sentences were in team chat... It was all to the laner thatbeat me, he e ven said 4/2/0 at one point so i responded with blaze it

Great Muta1 votes

Just a warning - most people are just here for karma and to get their jollies off to make themselves feel better by ripping you so they are going to cherry pick quotes and use them as evidence to why its necessary. Would not pay attention to that or the effortless downvotes they will give you.

Finally2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2lLKHYK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-19T19:25:23.995+0000)

Just warning - most people are just here for karma and to get their jollies so they are going to cherry pick quotes and use them as evidence why its necessary.

What do you mean?

Great Muta2 votes

People on here get woodies off of telling people they deserve to be banned. It's SJW stuff.

Finally1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2lLKHYK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-19T19:30:50.982+0000)

People on here get woodies off of telling people they deserve to be banned. It's SJW stuff.

Yeah but most of the people that get long bans say some bad stuff. I dont really think I said anything here lmao

Great Muta1 votes

I don't think you said anything that obscene either, just the way the report system is, it basically promotes abuse and reporting for no reason at all.

Colgate Gator1 votes

I probably would have reported you, so, yeah.

Finally1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Postal Badger,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2lLKHYK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-08-19T20:23:43.790+0000)

I probably would have reported you, so, yeah.

For what? I was reported by my team because ing I was feeding early not because of wht I was typing lol

rorriM llorT1 votes

I got permanently banned for saying our mid was a noob and asking our team to please surrender. So join the club.

ModPrandine

Finally: you cant dive me nerd Finally: im the best Finally: gg ez Finally: i win Finally: no ganksbad jg Finally: gank more nerd

Passive-aggressive and unsportsmanlike conduct.

Finally: learn to jg

Not helpful or needed.

Finally: shitter Finally: learn to cs

rude, unhelpful and not needed. There are much better ways and words to use to try to explain to people how to cs better than these.

Finally: 0/4 ashe more cs than our adc

Indirectly harassing your teammate for having low cs.

Finally: nice cs mf Finally: yeah Finally: and more cs than vayne Finally: explain that Finally: ashe has more cs too Finally: troll support? Finally: lmao Finally: ur supp has more sc

Again, indirectly harassing your teammate for having low cs.

Finally: rengar you didnt gank top and ur salt

Not needed and not helpful.

Finally: you were 3/0 mf Finally: youve died 6 times doing shit Finally: you came to my lane and took 3 waves Finally: still less cs than me

Now you're directly harassing mf over her poor playing.

Finally: did i ask Finally: :> Finally: dont explain idrc Finally: 0/11 Finally: dank 1v1

Arrogant and selfish attitude.

Finally: gg Finally: shit team Finally: Godsu

More unsportsmanlike comments and conduct.

Conclusion:

When someone on your team does poorly in cs you continue to harass them over it for the entire game both directly and indirectly as well. Not only that but you display unsportsmanlike conduct and behavior in addition to what I perceive as an arrogant and selfish attitude to boot.

My Advice:

  • If someone is playing poorly, chances are they already know that they are, so there's no need or reason to continuously harass someone over their poor play.
  • When giving advice, saying things like "learn to X" doesn't help or solve anything and is just rude and disrespectful overall. Saying things like "try using your Q instead of your AA to get cs more safely" is both respectful and helpful as well. Not only that but your teammate is more likely to listen to you when you phrase things like that instead of in the form of a rude and disrespectful demand.
  • Even if your team is doing poorly, the least you can do is try to maintain a respectful and sportsmanlike attitude. I know that it's easier said than done, but it's better than being an unsportsmanlike jerk.

My Verdict: Punish.

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