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Bonobo: A tale of unfair punishment, disillusionment, and potential recovery

BuffRangerWill··1 votes·2,366 views
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summoner 12 Overviewsummoner 12 The intent of this post is to better understand the reason for my 20 game chat restriction as well as to voice my complaints and offer solutions. I understand and accept my 6 game chat restriction.

I have played league of legends since Season 2 on a couple accounts (RIP the names and passwords i forgot). I have never had any punishments or restrictions before, despite the fact I have a poor internet connection and sporadically dc. I have dealt with plenty of toxicity, trolling, and attempted religious conversions and survived it all. However, until today, I have never had any issues with the game or community that might stop me from playing outright.

Today I received what I believe to be an unjust 20 game chat restriction after just getting rid of a 6 game restriction. I will cover what happened to get the 6 game restriction before covering the 20. I only have my chat log from the 20 game restriction and will post separately below. In addition I will make a summary of each section to allow for a quicker read.

Edit: I have moved the Summary from each section here for those not biologically disposed to reading a thicc rant Edit2: This was a horrible attempt at a joke but I'm going to keep it, please forgive me. Edit3: I looked at some other board posts and they often link the match history so here it is: https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3259418922/218695825?tab=overview

Summary:summoner 13 6 Game Chat Restriction

  1. Encountered trolls in 2 games who inted and flamed me
  2. I called them apes

20 Game Chat Restriction

  1. Jungle trolls my lane, support steals buffs/revenge reports/refuses to surrender, mid afks and revenge reports
  2. I try to prevent myself from being wrongfully reported

Chat Restrictionitem 3151

  1. I dislike the fundamental policy and believe it is over policing speech Solutions:
  2. auto-mute all
  3. parental mute controls
  4. Increase leniency

False/"revenge" reportingitem 3174

  1. this type of reporting is still relevant and I believe not efficiently handled Solutions:
  2. Increase # of games/timespan (details listed below)
  3. Remove reports from punished accounts w/ accompanying overview system

Afking/Openitem 2420

  1. Sometime justified
  2. Other Times for "bad" reason
  3. Everyone is annoyed but it is too game/person specific

GAMESGaren Ashe Malphite Ezreal Zilean The 6 game chat restriction was due to 2 normal games. In the first game, in which I was jungling, our blitzcrank support decided to troll after I failed to gank bot in a high enough frequency to meet his standards. Apparently this is more than 3 times in the first 10 minutes of the game. He then followed me around in the jungle last hitting all the jungle creeps he could. The rest of the game he continued to farm all my xp and gold and refused to do anything else. We eventually lost despite a 12 kill lead early game due to the 4v5 and lack of jg xp. In the second game our mid laner decided to repeatedly run it down mid after losing the early game. In both of these games I became frustrated with these trolls and called them apes after they repeatedly pinged and flamed me. I feel obliged to point out the types of primates I compared them to are very intelligent and closely related to humans unlike prosimians or monkeys. I may also have politely (and I mean politely) requested blitzcrank not propagate for the good of the human race. I then also may have said I was going to steal his grandmothers 401k. I understand and accept this chat restriction.

The 20 game chat restriction was due to a single normal game. I was supposed to be top, however our amumu jg didn't take smite and went top instead without telling anyone. I tried to jg instead (without smite) but had our janna support purposely steal the initial buff from me. I know it was on purpose because she used her zephyr (damage spell) to take it when it was below 100 health. I then, in my own lane, went a support item and did my best to win. At roughly 8 minutes in I rotated mid and last hit 6 minions under turret due to our talon mid backing at an awkward time. He took this as an offense and decided to afk in fountain after "warning" me to never steal his farm again. Our janna support blamed me for this, as well as saying I falsely accused her of stealing the buff, and asked in all chat for the enemy team to report me. I then spent the rest of the game in a very frustrated state repeatedly trying to defend myself from being reported in the fear that I may be banned or recieve another chat restriction. We tried to surrender the obviously hopeless game (no jg no mid) however janna refused to surrender keeping us hostage and continued to ask people to report me as "revenge" for what I did. I survived this hell 3/4/2 without ever trolling or saying anything mean or against guidelines. This is why I believe my second restriction to be unjust.

summoner 14 Complaints and Potential Solutionssummoner 7 item 3151 I understand why I received the 6 game chat restriction, however I disagree with the fundamental policy because I believe it is over policing speech. The mute button is there if you do not want to hear what other people have to say. I understand that younger kids (myself included in the past) and people who dislike trash talk also play this game. The solution that I offer is that on game startup all players should be auto muted (or at least all chat) with an option to reverse this choice. This would make it easy for parents to lock this option for younger kids. I believe trash talk to be a fun part of the game and dislike the restriction of speech. I understand that threats and certain words perhaps should not be allowed, however messing with an opponent's mental through words is no different in context then emoting or dancing after a kill. I have frequently been on the receiving end, however I don't think a few bad experiences or hurt feelings should dictate the agenda for the entire playerbase.

item 3174 My other primary issue is with false reporting. I am still unsure why I was chat restricted after my second game and am hoping a response will shed some light as I currently believe it to fall under this category. The situation I found myself in where someone is "revenge" reporting you (which they literally admitted word for word in game) I see only two options. You either attempt to explain your case for why you should not be reported or be silent and hope your team backs you up. Since the majority of my team was already trolling or afk I did not trust them to back me up. Therefore I took into my own hands to defend myself for the fear that I may be banned or recieve another chat restriction due to false reports. This obviously did not work. I have two solutions for this.

The first, and easier to implement, is to require a larger number of games (I would recommend 5 instead of 3 or in the case of my 20 game restriction only 1) that violate rules in a certain timespan in order for punishments to be enacted. Since making the timespan purely time based would allow players who don't play often or use multiple accounts to avoid punishment and making it purely game frequency based would allow those who occasionally troll avoid punishment, I believe you should combine the two to lump reports together over a 2 week period. I am not too well versed in the actual specifics of the reporting software so some version of this is probably already in effect.

My second solution would be to get rid of reports from accounts who are repeatedly reported or receive punishments. This would be much more difficult to implement due to the repercussions of "Revenge" reporting. In my case I would no longer have reports against me from janna and talon (from whom I instantly received the report feedback you reported someone who was punished blah blah) which would be good. However, both the blitz and mid laner from my 6 game restriction (who are still playing as we speak) as well as the talon and janna would have my reports against them removed which is bad. The easiest workaround would be utilizing machine learning (cough you hiring? cough) and/or having a team dedicated to overviewing this system.

item 2420 A separate issue that annoys me greatly is afking. Some games, for those of us who do other things outside of league, are a waste of time playing out due to poor gameplay at the start that sets us far behind. We could win, however that requires the enemy team to repeatedly make significant mistakes. According to a friend of mine this would require playing in a manner similar to a, uh, type of primate perhaps. Are we positive government labs aren't forcing caged primates to boost players? Other times people purposely afk when the game is easily winnable due to anger or lack of game knowledge/willingness to play it out. I understand that it is hard to say this situation it is okay and in this one it isn't, however the open mid policy of the korean servers is (to my knowledge) not present or as accepted in the NA servers and I wish it was more often utilized. I have no specific solution I deem fair so I will end this section here with this tirade.

summoner 3 Final Wordssummoner 3

Currently, even though honestly I probably shouldn't cause I personally have more fulfilling and useful ways to spend my time like planking, I will continue to play league due to all my fond memories over the years and my unbreakable addiction to it. However, I am disillusioned with certain aspects of the game and disappointed in the way they have been handled. Thank you for all the good times, I hope there will be many more.

Sincerely, a Bonobo MonkeyKing

32 Comments

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

Try following the rules and you'll find that you never have to deal with a chat restriction.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Solid tip. I never have before and dont expect to again, be that from not playing or not typing anymore. This was more centered around confusion of my 20 game restriction as well as things that bother me related to it. The 6 game chat restriction was an example of how I suddenly got a 20 off of only 1 game and to lay the groundwork for what I agree is justly chat restrictable.

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

i would recommend a TL:DR

Nightsky Pirate4 votes

I'm waiting for the logs. TL:DR- I defended myself out of fear of being punished and got punished. I believe I behaved with honor, especially in the face of the dishonor I was subjected to.

TL:DR edit part 2: OP asked for reports (while claiming it was only a response to being asked by enemy who to report), which is, as you probably know, a violation. There are lesser violations of negativity but that's the kicker.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes
  1. Encountered trolls in 2 games who inted and flamed me
  2. I called them apes

pretty much all i needed to read

Nightsky Pirate2 votes

That's for the 6 game suspension. He claims he did no such thing for the 20.

(edit) Oh, he has some suggestions, like give parents a bad-kid chat restriction, and a way to identify false reports. I'm really mostly interested in the chat logs, though.

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

so what? it's a massive rant complaining about chat restrictions (which were clearly deserved even without the chat logs) while suggesting solutions that have been discussed 1000 times and some which have already been tried and have failed (perma chat mutes)

so I say again, that was pretty much all i needed to read

BuffRangerWill1 votes

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CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

lol ok, good luck with that

BuffRangerWill1 votes

20 Game Chat Suspension Chat Log: (I got rid of my name before each statement and condensed the lines so it doesn't take up as much space) (Decided to organize by event to make it easier to read)

Game 1 In-Game

Start of Game BuffRangerWill: we have no jg / no jg = lose / i am not your friend / you did not run this by us

Support Stealing Blue and threatening to report me open mid / janna stole blue from me / you ed it / amumu and janna trolling / had to jg cause mumu went top and janna purposely took blue with e / at 40 hp / that is not what reporting is for

Trying to figure out how to 2 man top i cant afford sp item yet / let me take caster minions / yes / are you sup or me mumu

Talon afking and threatening to report me chill / i last hit under turret / chill / report talon feeding / i took 4 minions form under turret and last hit 2 more since he wasnt there / yeah it was close /

Explaining to enemy team why they shouldn't report me/trying to surrender no / i was top / i went jg cause mumu didnt take smite / janna stole blue from me / only report talon / thats it / fun times / open mid / just run it down / janna stole blue on purpose but you dont need to report / me and aph are the only ones who didnt troll / how are you triggered by me / im sup in my own lane currently / you did / let them take it mumu / exactly / thats why it is troll / you do now / take mid ww

Janna refusing to surrender for "Revenge" gg wp / nvm janna said no / gg wp / report janna and talon / i have no trolled once / i had my blue buff stolen, my lane stolen / but report me for no reason / literally / talon afk / janna steal blue and troll / dont report mumu / he actually is trying / unlike janna / im sup in my own lane that i called / thats not the point / the point is we dont want janna on your or my team in the future / she is holding us hostage / after trolling / we cant surrender without 4 / exactly / defend yourself by keeping us in this game / for no reason / ????? / end / we open / report talon and janna / gg wp / i agree / why play after 15 /

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

i would recommend just hitting copy and paste, the more changes you make for "readability", the more people will assume you doctored them

many of us here are used to seeing chatlogs presented in this way (C+P) so you making edits actually makes it harder to read, not easier

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Thank you for commenting. I did take your advice you should see it in a reply to the original comment.

Nightsky Pirate3 votes

"report talon feeding" "report janna and talon"

That alone is enough. Never say or ask for reports.

"just run it down" "the point is we dont want janna on your or my team in the future" "why play after 15"

These contribute. I can't tell if you're genuinely don't see it or not, so in the event you are genuine, try to avoid stuff like this.

(edit - i missed adding the edit note earlier) The suggestions aren't really good. The system handles false reports pretty well, my beef with it- it can't comprehend context. Beyond that, you are now aware of the expectations, which means the system worked on you. I don't really like it either, but until new standards are accepted, the bot, which has had its standards established by the players through their reports and honors, is the non-specific standard bearer. The parental lock feature would scarcely be recognized, and few parents if any would call their kid a liability for chat and would be far more likely to disable the chat entirely, which is currently a feature. Which the child could easily unlock anyway. There is also an AFK system in place- LeaverBuster- that is sitting where it should- more strict will punish those that don't deserve it, which is extremely upsetting if you're a victim of it undeservedly. You don't even have a proposal to do better there.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

For context this was in response to the enemy team asking "Do we report talon", "who are we supposed to report" ect.

I can see how the later mentioned 3 quotes contribute, however in the context of what they were saying and with my thoughts from the afking/open section I personally do not think this should be grounds for restriction.

Nightsky Pirate2 votes

I agree- in a regard. Context is important. It should be considered. I'm on your team in this manner, trying to raise awareness that the bot is insufficient because of this.

I'm fighting against posted results, "100% of all bans by the automated system (not including hack incidents) are accurate" and "98% of users no longer use racist, sexual" blah blah blah, misleading information. These results are tailored to trumpet how awesome their anti-toxicity system is, when the reality is that League could be considered by the majority of video gamers to be the most toxic game on the market.

But it's in the rules. Context does not matter. This rule was implemented after the automated punishment system, to facilitate it's use, because it is incapable of understanding context.

My point is that is the rules we have to play by. On free, disposable accounts. That point has been shouted for years and ... I'm going to have to shut my mouth about it at this point. Do the research, or go read my other topics.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

I totally agree. Free is freeeee. However I will request for as much freeee speech as riot will allow me :D. This is primarily due to a lot of irl concerns I have on freedom of speech that I fear are trickling over into video games but that's a whole separate topic.

Appreciate the support mate, thanks for commenting. I will check your topics out sometime and if I have any disagreements I'll shoot you a message.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Here is the original chatlog for those who want it:

Game 1 In-Game BuffRangerWill: we have no jg BuffRangerWill: no jg = lose BuffRangerWill: i am not your friend BuffRangerWill: you did not run this by us BuffRangerWill: open mid BuffRangerWill: janna stole blue from me BuffRangerWill: you ed it BuffRangerWill: amumu and janna trolling BuffRangerWill: had to jg cause mumu went top and janna purposely took blue with e BuffRangerWill: at 40 hp BuffRangerWill: that is not what reporting is for BuffRangerWill: i cant afford sp item yet BuffRangerWill: let me take caster minions BuffRangerWill: yes BuffRangerWill: are you sup or me mumu BuffRangerWill: chill BuffRangerWill: i last hit under turret BuffRangerWill: chill BuffRangerWill: report talon feeding BuffRangerWill: i took 4 minions form under turret and last hit 2 more since he wasnt there BuffRangerWill: yeah it was close BuffRangerWill: no BuffRangerWill: i was top BuffRangerWill: i went jg cause mumu didnt take smite BuffRangerWill: janna stole blue from me BuffRangerWill: only report talon BuffRangerWill: thats it BuffRangerWill: fun times BuffRangerWill: open mid BuffRangerWill: just run it down BuffRangerWill: janna stole blue on purpose but you dont need to report BuffRangerWill: me and aph are the only ones who didnt troll BuffRangerWill: how are you triggered by me BuffRangerWill: im sup in my own lane currently BuffRangerWill: you did BuffRangerWill: let them take it mumu BuffRangerWill: exactly BuffRangerWill: thats why it is troll BuffRangerWill: you do now BuffRangerWill: take mid ww BuffRangerWill: gg wp BuffRangerWill: nvm janna said no BuffRangerWill: gg wp BuffRangerWill: report janna and talon BuffRangerWill: i have no trolled once BuffRangerWill: i had my blue buff stolen, my lane stolen BuffRangerWill: but report me for no reason BuffRangerWill: literally BuffRangerWill: talon afk BuffRangerWill: janna steal blue and troll BuffRangerWill: dont report mumu BuffRangerWill: he actually is trying BuffRangerWill: unlike janna BuffRangerWill: im sup in my own lane that i called BuffRangerWill: thats not the point BuffRangerWill: the point is we dont want janna on your or my team in the future BuffRangerWill: she is holding us hostage BuffRangerWill: after trolling BuffRangerWill: we cant surrender without 4 BuffRangerWill: exactly BuffRangerWill: defend yourself by keeping us in this game BuffRangerWill: for no reason BuffRangerWill: ????? BuffRangerWill: end BuffRangerWill: we open BuffRangerWill: report talon and janna BuffRangerWill: gg wp BuffRangerWill: i agree BuffRangerWill: why play after 15

Hotarµ2 votes

If these are the complete, unedited chat logs (I would still very much like to see a screenshot, not an edited version of them) they still contain problematic elements.

Edit: typed this comment as you posted the unedited chat logs, ignore the first part.

  • Asking for reports is against the rules as it only takes one report to trigger a game for automatic review and serves no purpose other than to put down another player.

  • Repeatedly saying things like "ggwp", "why play after 15", "we open", et cetera isn't helpful and falls under the Griefing/Giving Up category.

  • Arguing in all chat or refusing to drop a situation is disruptive, especially when saying things like "we don't want Janna on either team" and "she is trolling"/"holding us hostage."

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Thank you for commenting.

  1. The enemy team was asking who/why to and if they should report in all chat.

  2. Without context and in most situations I agree. Per case: 2.1 ggwp was meant in good spirit for the end of the game as we surrendered, not bm 2.2 "why play after 15" seems like a valid question from me to janna since she was the only one who refused to surrender at 15 and amum/aphelios wanted to 2.3 I agree this is rather controversial. I made some points in my afking/open section on this. In this case we had 2 afk and a janna who wouldnt lane so we were unable to hold 3 lanes of minions vs 5 enemy champs making playing seem rather pointless.

3.Once again mostly reactionary to what the enemy team said. I did type rather alot, however I was very frustrated and nervous that this could result in a permanent ban at the time with both janna and talon saying they would report me and wanted to make my case. If I could do it again I would have typed a lot less.

Hotarµ3 votes
  1. The enemy team was asking who/why to and if they should report in all chat.

BuffRangerWill: report talon feeding BuffRangerWill: only report talon BuffRangerWill: report talon and janna

Even if that is true, it would still be viewed as report calling because there's no point to discussing reports or making comments along those lines in-game to another player.

2.1 ggwp was meant in good spirit for the end of the game as we surrendered, not bm

Saying "GGWP" once or twice towards the end of the game is fine; saying it multiple times over the course of the match alongside comments like "end", "we open", "why play after 15", and calling people trolls is not.

2.2 "why play after 15" seems like a valid question from me to janna since she was the only one who refused to surrender at 15 and amum/aphelios wanted to 2.3 I agree this is rather controversial. I made some points in my afking/open section on this. In this case we had 2 afk and a janna who wouldnt lane so we were unable to hold 3 lanes of minions vs 5 enemy champs making playing seem rather pointless.

While I do sympathize with you because I would hate to be in that situation as well, it's still against the rules and isn't justified just because someone else is breaking the rules in another way.

3.Once again mostly reactionary to what the enemy team said. I did type rather alot, however I was very frustrated and nervous that this could result in a permanent ban at the time with both janna and talon saying they would report me and wanted to make my case. If I could do it again I would have typed a lot less.

It's only a 25 game chat restriction, so you really don't have much to worry about so long as you heed the warning you were given.

In the future, just mute and report and players who are giving you a hard time. As I mentioned before repeatedly disrupting the flow of the match and arguing in all chat is punishable, just keep that in mind and you'll be fine.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Once again thanks for the feedback, I totally agree with you.

Only thing I would add is that the "gg wp" was timed with each surrender vote when we had 3 yes votes before janna voted no. Honestly I could argue everything I said was fair in the context of the game/my frame of mind/what everyone else said but at the end of the day it's subjective and not really important.

Not actually worried about the restriction after researching about it. I was just initially very concerned since I had no experience with this previously and thought it could easily lead to a ban. The underlying philosophy behind it as I perceive it still greatly annoys me though haha.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Edit: I have reorganized my post to have the summary at the top as well as making it clear in the intro that I understand and accept my 6 game chat restriction but am confused about my 20 game chat restriction. Additionally, I am a Bonobo and this is a tirade

CharDeeMcDenniz4 votes

Edit: I have moved the Summary from each section here for those not biologically disposed to reading a thick rant

lol so you can't even take constructive criticism without insulting people, karma huh?

BuffRangerWill1 votes

This was meant as a lighthearted joke referencing biological disposition and how some people like thickness but if I have to explain that then clearly it failed. You can reference the other jokes and hopefully funny commentary throughout the rant that is similar to this. If you would prefer I specifically list your or someones elses name as giving me the idea to move the summaries up I can. However you can take it as an insult if you like :D.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

calling people who dont feel like reading your pile of drivel "biologically indisposed" is 100% an insult, im glad karma caught up to you

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Originally was going to say biologically inclined, I can still change it back if you think it is funnier syntax. Edit: Just realized I accidentally made a k instead of a c, the joke may be funny yet.

Honestly I have no experience with posting on League message boards so I wasn't sure how in depth to make it. If you have any enemies you need me to take care of I can send them my unedited longer 1st version draft.

Nightsky Pirate2 votes

Hahahah... I blame current politically correct standards, where having a biological disposition about something gives you justification to be an exception. I'd like to see that be used as defense in court. Ironically speaking.

BuffRangerWill1 votes

For those interested my support ticket listed my reason for the 20 game chat suspension as : Players have reported you 7 times in the past 20 games for negative or abusive behaviors in chat - in human terms, this means giving up on games, griefing your fellow players, and generally being difficult to play with over a large number of matches and teammates.

This accounts for the trolls from the 3 games I listed as well as a premade who wasn't happy with me testing some off meta supports haha. I appreciate all (all) your comments and assistance. Have a nice day mates [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Arammus1 votes

wtf is this post :x it confuses mw

BuffRangerWill1 votes

Thanks for commenting mate.

If there is anything specific I could change to make it less confusing let me know.

Originally I wanted to figure out why I received my 20 game chat restriction (as well as perhaps vent some anger). I added summaries of the games from both my restrictions to showcase my recent league experience as well as provide background for what I think is acceptable to be restricted for. I then decided to discuss my specific complaints as well as provide solutions in the hope that I could be contributing something to the community instead of just complaining about it. After adding some jokes and cutting the second draft in half I posted this masta piece.

I could have postponed submitting this to do more research about already proposed solutions as well as proofread my draft a third time. However, I wanted to post something quick enough to get some answers about my 20 game restriction before I continued playing as well tell my opinions about certain current policies that annoy me to the community.

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