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Honest Question: Was this worth a chat ban? If so, why? [Logs and context included.]

LeviathanTQ·3/29/2018, 5:39:02 AM·2 votes·543 views

There are many "I was unjustly banned" posts on the forums. This is similar, minus two things. FIrst, I was chat banned, not actually banned, and two, I have my chat logs for you to analyze. I added small sections of context and explanation for the logs to provide an insight into my thought process.

I would like some other opinions from the boards about the severity of my comments. Furthermore, I would like to hear your opinions on whether they are justified. If they are not, please explain to me why, and offer some ways to improve.

I do not want to become permabanned, as I have invested quite a lot into this game. Hence, I ask for your input.

I feel as if a chat ban for one bad game I had on a bad day (school is immensely stressful) is worthy of ruining my honor progression and restricting chat. I provided some insight into my opinions in those small comments under the sections of chat logs.

Finally, I was considering putting a ticket into riot support concerning this chat ban and its reprocussions. Please inform me if I should or should not do this.

Game 1 LeviathanTQ: lee LeviathanTQ: i have no manna LeviathanTQ: it has 6 health LeviathanTQ: and you fucking herald

--- This was me being frustrated at Lee for using herald and starting a fight when the tower literally had 6 HP and I had under 10% mana. This does not break the rules because the swearing is not being used in a derogatory context such as "fuckhead". Moderate swearing is allowed, as per the rules.

LeviathanTQ: dont ever be alone LeviathanTQ: please LeviathanTQ: stay with ztra at all times LeviathanTQ: or galio LeviathanTQ: JHIN LeviathanTQ: STOP BEING ALONE LeviathanTQ: Youll never die if youre with someone

-------This is me telling my ADC to stick with someone because the other team had a fed Zed. He repeatedly was trying to solo split and was refusing to listen. The capital, "JHIN. STOP BEING ALONE" was timed about 5 minutes after I first asked kindly and politely. Keep in mind refusing to communicate is a bannable offense.

LeviathanTQ: says you? LeviathanTQ: lmao LeviathanTQ: fortnite is bad PUBG

LeviathanTQ: ZYRA LeviathanTQ: DO SOMEHTING LeviathanTQ: OTHER THAN WALKING ------- This was directed at my teammate that literally watched me die whilst having full mana, health, and ultimate ready when the fight was in our favor.

LeviathanTQ: ff? LeviathanTQ: get ready to contest baron LeviathanTQ: STOP FRONTLINING LeviathanTQ: JHIN LeviathanTQ: BACK THE FUCK OFF

----There are a few things to note here. FIrst, the "ff" was in all chat, so it was not directed towards my team nor was toxic in any way. Second, Jhin repeatedly walked directly into the enemy team on the front line, and I was pinging him at first to back off. He did not listen at all to the pings (again, I cite the failure to communicate being a bannable offense) so I had to get his attention in chat. Again, note that moderate swearing not directed at someone in a derogatory way is allowed per the rules.

LeviathanTQ: BARON LeviathanTQ: BAROIN LeviathanTQ: you two fucking suck LeviathanTQ: honestly LeviathanTQ: worst fucking botlane I have had all day LeviathanTQ: fucking splitting top LeviathanTQ: when there IS A BARON UP LeviathanTQ: YES YOU WERE WITH JHIN LeviathanTQ: I WAS PINGING AND SAYING BARON FOR LIKE 40 SECONDS UNTIL YOU FUKCING LISTENED

--- This is the most controversial part of the chat logs. It looks bad on the surface, but please allow some context. I was calling for baron because the enemy team had 3 bot, and our Jhin and Zyra were topside alongside with me. This was the perfect baron opportunity. Per usual, I started pinging help at baron, but both Zyra and Jhin refused to listen. So again, I had to take to chat to get their attention. This proved catastrophic, as they did not come until it was too late and then Baron was stolen from us. That is where I said they sucked. After that, Zyra denied being top lane, to which I replied she was there with Jhin the whole time for an extended period of time. --- Now I admit, it was an insult at their in-game performance, but please keep in mind the context and the fact that it was an isolated incident. I immediately regretted the decision, and I knew I was starting to get too heated, so I toned it down and became constructive to make up for my behavior there, as shown in the next segment.

LeviathanTQ: I want ot win this game LeviathanTQ: So please listen to us LeviathanTQ: defend hard LeviathanTQ: dont overerxtned LeviathanTQ: JHIN LeviathanTQ: nice flas LeviathanTQ: flash on F? LeviathanTQ: keep defending LeviathanTQ: dont overextend

---- Here, I was constructive and told them I wanted to win the game just like them, and if they also wanted to win, they should listen to what I and my duo partner were saying (he was saying the same things as I, I don't have his chat logs, though.) Note the part about the flash was directed towards the opposing team in all chat as a joke and as friendly banter, not toxicity or flame in any manner. --- My realization that I was being toxic and decision to start being constructive instead is evidence towards an inital knee-jerk reaction and then reform. Thus, it is only fair that my previous actions be discounted when it comes to whether this was ban worthy.

LeviathanTQ: Look at your fucking map LeviathanTQ: when you pslit LeviathanTQ: split LeviathanTQ: Lee LeviathanTQ: what the fuck are you doing

-- Lee started to intentionally feed in the bot lane. He would knowingly afk push the lane into 3 opposing enemies. He did this two or three times in the span of 5 minutes. This was clear intentionally feeding and I was, justifiably, upset.

LeviathanTQ: everyone on this team sucks LeviathanTQ: not afk you fuckingdumbass LeviathanTQ: reprted LeviathanTQ: report my jungler for being toxic please

--- This is the second controversial part of the logs. Again, allow for some context. The "everyone sucks" comment was stated in all chat after my team lost a 4v2 without me (in their favor). This is my second questionable statement in the game. I do not have an explanation to excuse this incident, but I urge you to look at the greater picture and think, "is that phrase alone worthy of chat restriction?"

--- After that, Lee started to hardcore insult me, calling me names along the lines of "fucking dick" and "douche". I am not sure of the language exactly but they were obscenities directed at me. That is where the "reported" comments in all chat come into play.

LeviathanTQ: can we stop focusing the tanks LeviathanTQ: kill cait, brand, and zed need to die

-- More constructive, team playing shotcalling.

LeviathanTQ: nj LeviathanTQ: I literally said gj LeviathanTQ: asshole LeviathanTQ: reported :)

--- Before this point, I felt bad at my actions. I knew my sour emotions had gotten the best of me, and I tried to make up for it again by complimenting Lee after he got a pick on the other adc. I said "nj" to him after he got the kill. Then, being the rude person that he was, replied to me with an obscene insult, "fuck you" was the wording I believe. That was completely uncalled for. I had literally complimented him, trying to raise his spirits, and he insulted me. He also said, "reported. Enjoy your ban :)" in the chat, so that is where my smiley face came from.

LeviathanTQ: defed hard LeviathanTQ: dont leave base LeviathanTQ: jhin LeviathanTQ: what did I just say LeviathanTQ: DONT LEAVE BASE

--- More constructive shotcalling towards the whole team. I was trying to "play to win," as the honor description states. The Jhin remarks were towards my adc who, again, refused at all costs to listen to my team's pings. He was halfway down the botlane when we had super minions in our base and we were pinging for help. Again, refusing to communicate and work together is a bannable offense.

LeviathanTQ: this team makes me want to fuckign die LeviathanTQ: honestly no macro play

--- These were stated as our nexus was being merked. This is a very common practice and is not severe enough to constitute penalty. Again, swearing in moderation that is not directed as an insult is allowed.

11 Comments

AeroWaffle3/29/2018, 5:43:50 AM5 votes

LeviathanTQ: you two fucking suck LeviathanTQ: honestly LeviathanTQ: worst fucking botlane I have had all day ... LeviathanTQ: everyone on this team sucks LeviathanTQ: not afk you fuckingdumbass LeviathanTQ: reprted LeviathanTQ: report my jungler for being toxic please ... LeviathanTQ: asshole LeviathanTQ: reported :)

No. The context doesn't matter here. This is poor behavior. I believe it to be a valid punishment.

ZaneShadow3/29/2018, 5:45:01 AM3 votes

Your swearing at your team left and right after a certain point, and flaming them the entire way after that as well. Why would this NOT get you banned? Context is meaningless, its the words that appeared in the chat box that matter. You don't control others, only YOUrself. So YOU got banned.

Games are won and lost. People are amazing and terrible. Their kind or toxic. Roling with these facts wont get you banned, but reacting poorly to the negative definitly will.

ModThe Djinn3/29/2018, 12:30:18 PM3 votes

{quoted}This was me being frustrated at Lee for using herald and starting a fight when the tower literally had 6 HP and I had under 10% mana. This does not break the rules because the swearing is not being used in a derogatory context such as "fuckhead". Moderate swearing is allowed, as per the rules.

This is actually a bit more borderline than you think, as you're using it to emphasize the negativity and stupidity of his action. A simple "Probably shouldn't have Heralded there -- we might have been able to save the tower" gets the same point across.

JHIN. STOP BEING ALONE" was timed about 5 minutes after I first asked kindly and politely. Keep in mind refusing to communicate is a bannable offense.

Refusing to communicate is not a bannable offense, actually. It's not even a punishable offense. You don't have to type or ping at all if you don't want to.

Typically, all-caps comes off as overly aggressive rather than urgent. Sometime to keep in mind.

LeviathanTQ: ZYRA LeviathanTQ: DO SOMEHTING LeviathanTQ: OTHER THAN WALKING LeviathanTQ: YES YOU WERE WITH JHIN LeviathanTQ: I WAS PINGING AND SAYING BARON FOR LIKE 40 SECONDS UNTIL YOU FUKCING LISTENED

Same thing here.

LeviathanTQ: you two fucking suck LeviathanTQ: worst fucking botlane I have had all day LeviathanTQ: everyone on this team sucks LeviathanTQ: not afk you fuckingdumbass LeviathanTQ: asshole LeviathanTQ: this team makes me want to fuckign die

This is insulting behavior, and I feel like you know this. If everything else had been removed, this alone could earn you a chat restriction.

Cuppakeeno3/29/2018, 6:35:52 AM2 votes

TBH man, I don't honestly know what you can and can't say anymore. You probably couldn't tell someone "You are ignoring good advice, and making stupid decisions over and over" without it being viewed as harassment by someone unless you only said it once and just ignored the rest of the match.

You can appeal it, but honestly, the sections you pointed out as "controversial" are what are going to make the decision stand, if I had to guess. It won't matter how kind you were to start, or how good your advice was, or whether they were intentionally or ignorantly disregarding sound advice, or even that you tried to reform your approach afterwards in the same game.

I'm pretty sure that the only reason I haven't gotten flagged for a chat ban yet, or at least a few years if I have one at some point in the past as I honestly can't remember, is that I typically play with my wife and I just vent to her. She is the calm / quiet type, and incredibly good at quelling the shit storm that brews in my mind over how competitive I can be at times.

Honestly, whether right or wrong, I'd just try and make sure that from now on your criticisms, regardless of how good your intentions are, in the future could be withstood by a snowflake. Seriously... I'm not saying that to be mean to anyone, but you never know anymore who will take offense to what, and text logs are very tricky when trying to communicate a point as they leave out a fundamental part of human communication. Tone. The real issue, is that this is a competitive platform, but being overzealous about winning the competition is unacceptable. I personally feel like, this is society's outlook in general anymore. not just something specific to league. Even my kid's competitions anymore, everyone gets a trophy. It's like wtf is the point anymore. Everyone is a winner, and heaven forbid you tell someone otherwise, unfortunately. But that is reality anymore.

I read another thread on here early today, or yesterday, about how league is a "Team" game, but the reality is that unless your with a group of people you know or you get that really great random group, which does happen from time to time, it's very much a solo endeavor, and you and I both just have to learn that losses and grouping with people that don't care as much about game mechanics, mastering their opponent, and competition are going to be a very real part of our daily experience in most any match based game. So we have to learn to adjust our expectations of others, and learn to accept / cope with the horrid matches; and really soak up and enjoy the good matches when they present themselves.

Sorry this is probably nothing new / what you wanted to hear. Just trying to look at the bright side / help you out in the future. GLHF!