I just don't understand

ANearbykeg·Jul 15, 2018·1 votes·1,425 views

Can someone explain why some guy can flame me the whole game, proceeds to afk split push as we lose inhibitors, and continually shit talk to other people for their score. and when you rightly call him out on his shit, ask all chat to report him.

that he can proceed to report me, and i get a 2 week suspension

why is there no nuance to this report system, how are toxic people getting away with getting non toxics banned.

what other response can i give? hes acting like an ass and throwing the game, why am i not allowed to get upset at him shit talking me?

if i just mute him and his friends will still report me because of a high death score.

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Umbral RegentJul 15, 201810 votes

Can someone explain why some guy can flame me the whole game, proceeds to afk split push as we lose inhibitors, and continually shit talk to other people for their score. and when you rightly call him out on his shit, ask all chat to report him.

that he can proceed to report me, and i get a 2 week suspension

Asking other people to report someone does nothing besides alienate the player in question. It counts as harassment, and will validate reports made against you.

If you really want a person reported, report them yourself. The IFS only requires one report to trigger a review, and extra reports past the first don't increase the likelihood of punishment.

As for your two-week suspension, you either had a 25-game Chat Restriction prior, or you used zero-tolerance chat.

why is there no nuance to this report system, how are toxic people getting away with getting non toxics banned.

What nuance does there need to be? A player gets reported, their behavior gets reviewed, and a punishment (if necessary) gets applied. There doesn't need to be anything more than that.

As for toxic players getting away and non-toxic players getting banned;

You don't know whether or not they got away - unless of course you didn't report them, in which case, them getting away is on you. And also, non-toxic players don't get banned. You have to break the rules to actually get punished, and non-toxic players don't break the rules.

what other response can i give? hes acting like an ass and throwing the game, why am i not allowed to get upset at him shit talking me?

You're allowed to get upset. You're not allowed to take that frustration out in the chat. The best response is to mute the player, do your best to ignore them, and report them post-game.

If you mute them, their shit-talking will fall on deaf ears.

if i just mute him and his friends will still report me because of a high death score.

So what? A high death score doesn't automatically indicate that you're intentionally feeding. Let them report you - if you weren't feeding, you're not gonna get punished.

ANearbykegJul 20, 20181 votes

i have no idea if my report did anything since his report got me 2 week banned.

in what world is nuance BAD?

if a player shit talks in chat knowing it could get him punished, hes at-least being honest.

if someone rages and feeds on purpose, ignores lanes out of spite, and in general throw games because of their infantilism. how are they going to be punished? i know for a fact riot doesn't watch game replays even 10% of the time. so things like shit talking "which you can just mute" get you two week banned in a second (even if the person your shit talking has been trolling you the whole game). but actions that have real impact ( and you cant just mute) go by un-punished?

Umbral RegentJul 20, 20181 votes

i have no idea if my report did anything since his report got me 2 week banned.

The IFS doesn't work as "If X player gets punished, their report is worthless", there's literally no other conditions for it to operate besides: Receive a report; go to review. Review finds punishable behavior; punish.

Your report will do something, provided the player you're reporting actually broke the rules.

in what world is nuance BAD?

Where did I say nuance was bad? I said it's not necessary.

if someone rages and feeds on purpose, ignores lanes out of spite, and in general throw games because of their infantilism. how are they going to be punished? i know for a fact riot doesn't watch game replays even 10% of the time. so things like shit talking "which you can just mute" get you two week banned in a second (even if the person your shit talking has been trolling you the whole game). but actions that have real impact ( and you cant just mute) go by un-punished?

From what I've heard, Riot has to manually review cases of feeding/trolling - but they don't get brought up for review if you don't mark the report as "Intentional Feeding". I could be wholly wrong, but from my understanding, most of the error for trolls/feeders not getting punished is primarily on players, not Riot.

Besides, there are millions of people playing League every day. And with so many people - either reporting trolls truthfully or calling "wolf", Riot's bound to have a backlog. That doesn't mean trolls and feeders go unpunished - in fact, there's a good few posts here on the PB forums where people complain that they got punished for feeding and trolling.

Beyond that, shit-talking won't earn you an immediate 14-day ban unless A. You recently got off of a 25-game chat restriction, or B. You used hate speech. Chat abuse has its own punishment ladder - 10-game Chat Restriction, 25-game Chat Restriction, 14-day Suspension, Permanent Suspension.

And it doesn't matter if you can "just mute" chat misbehavior. You shouldn't have to see it in the first place, let alone mute it - which is why people can be punished for abusing the chat. Mute is a defense for players who don't want to have to deal with people abusing the chat. It's not an excuse to allow said players to abuse the chat.

ANearbykegAug 29, 20181 votes

Do you know what impotent rage is? its health effects? the fact its an inescapable physiological phenomenon everyone has to deal with? if you do not release frustration it will harm you, in the past video games had no problem with this, the person raging is only doing so to calm down, muting them completely fixes the problem. but thought policing people is immoral, the order should be MUTED permanently BEFORE banned permanently. micro managing the way your players behave is Orwellian. a sterilized game ecology completely based on the untrue statement that people are all hugs and nice feelings is dishonest. the inability to express frustration is WHY league is known as such a toxic community. older games didn't have these problems, people got mad, people said mean things, people muted them. games like old world war shooters or even new ones don't have an identity as a toxic community because they don't try and censor peoples frustration.