Please keep open mind. Bans and free accounts.

Awf Meta·Feb 17, 2018·2 votes·399 views

The problem: Yasuo is being toxic in my game.

The encouraged solution: Mute and report Yasuo.

Look, closely. That hasn't actually solved my problem. Yasuo is still, and will always be toxic in that game.

A preemptive mute solves verbal toxicity. It does nothing for game play toxicity.

Back to mute and report, Yasuo is banned. Yasuo buys a level 30 account. Yasuo is back in queue within 5 minutes.

To recap, Yasuo is toxic in my game and is still playing. Even after muting, reporting, and banning. The problem has not been solved.

My humble opinion: Improve non-verbal communication. Implement mute feature in champion select and auto mute people on a mute list. Stop banning accounts. Implement a personal surrender system with report functionality. Extreme offenders are black listed but not banned.

9 Comments

OhBoyItsaMegamanFeb 17, 20186 votes

Your use of the words "meta" and "metaland" is confusing and makes your point a little more difficult to understand.

For the people who aren't going to stop abusing teammates, it is difficult to justify keeping them in the game and on their original account but in a permanently muted state. This unavoidably lowers the quality of the game for the players who have a teammate they cannot communicate with. Furthermore, if the mute is a problem for that player, they could get a new account even under your proposed system. In the end, it takes choice ("listen to this obnoxious teammate or mute him?") away from normal players, and gives choice ("stay muted or get a new account?") to toxic players.

Awf MetaFeb 17, 20182 votes

Edited for clarity thank you.

For the people who aren't going to stop abusing teammates, it is difficult to justify keeping them in the game and on their original account but in a permanently muted state.

No one is permanently muted. Think "block list" except it is a "mute list". Also, it is a mute of incoming chat, not of outgoing chat.

Regardless of whether you agree with my suggestions, you must see that the current system simply does not work. We should be discussing ways to make it work or revealing reasons why it currently does not work.

OhBoyItsaMegamanFeb 17, 20181 votes

Could you further explain what these three things mean, then?

auto mute people on a mute list
Implement a personal surrender system with report functionality
Extreme offenders are black listed

Number 3 absolutely sounds to me like the person is permanently muted.

ChermorgFeb 17, 20183 votes

While players tend not to notice, Riot has said that players who are permanently banned actually do not come back to the game in most cases. Of those that do, they tend not to be toxic. For many players, the feelings that losing all of their time and money brings is what it takes to become less toxic.

The game is still toxic because of two things - players who, after seasons of positivity, think that berating others will suddenly get them out of bronze (hint: it won't) - as well as new players coming into the game from games such as CS:GO, the battle arena games, etc. with high levels of toxicity. That being said, the toxicity is improving, and I've seen a marked decrease in the toxicity level from Season 3/4 when I started playing to now.

Daddy BraumFeb 17, 20181 votes

And without bans what do you do about people who run it down a lane with intent of feeding Or people who adj just because they dont want their team to win Honestly toxicity is not that bad if you just /mute all at the start of a game you can't just fix inters

Awf MetaFeb 17, 20181 votes

And without bans what do you do about people who run it down a lane with intent of feeding Or people who adj just because they dont want their team to win

Bans do nothing to prevent that behavior. Best case scenario, a ban wastes a small amount of time while the offender makes a new account.

That is one of the points I made in the OP. Imagine you are standing on a rock. Riot pushes you off the rock. Now, you change your shirt. Riot no longer pushes you off the rock.

SarutobiFeb 17, 20181 votes

I dont really see how this solves any of these problems. Like you said they are still toxic, but how is muting them permanently going to solve the issue? I just dont see how NOT banning people for breaking the rules of any sorts would help improve. You are basically giving a free pass towards other offenses like hacking, trolling.

The sad fact is there is nothing they can really do to solve the issue, but at least with banning them they need to make a new account, which usually means making a new email. If this is a something that is happening frequent to you, i doubt you'd waste time keep on making new accounts!

Awf MetaFeb 17, 20181 votes

Like you said they are still toxic, but how is muting them permanently going to solve the issue?

I don't know why people keep bringing up "permanently muting". I never once mentioned "permanently muting".

I just dont see how NOT banning people for breaking the rules of any sorts would help improve. You are basically giving a free pass towards other offenses like hacking, trolling.

That is a very fair point. I think it is necessary that you differentiate between all the forms of toxicity. Hacking is going to have a different solution than hate speech, for example.

As far as how NOT banning MAY help improve, I have a far-fetched ideal.

Imagine there is an angry elephant running straight at you. Whacking it with sticks is probably going to make it even angrier. If you were to instead, move out of the way and let the elephant run away; possibly the elephant will eventually calm down on it's own.