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Honor system affecting season reward

Lyandere··8 votes·6,351 views

When these changes first came out, I thought it was something good and positive, but it ended up being REALLY BAD.

1st: the balance in ranked is terrible, which causes people to end up with really bad players.

2nd: the "report" and "penalty" system is broken, it's way too easy to be a huge troll and bypass that without getting any penalty what so ever. Since they can run around the map doing nothing, they can steal CS, etc etc. If you say any bad words, even if they are not towards anyone, example: you died and you say "shit I died", someone can be an asshole, report you for that, and you will get fucked up over it. Happened to many people before, me included.

3rd: It's unfair to ONLY get season rewards having honor level 2, because we work our ass off, ranking up, tolerating all kinds of toxic/troll players, to get nothing in the end. Because you need to carry HARD to recieve honors from people, and even so, most of the time you don't even get those! Depending on people's honor is RIDICULOUS to get season reward, when YOU worked hard for it, most of the time by yourself.

4th: Honor system DOES NOT make the community less toxic/troll. Maybe even the opposite of that, because I'm pretty sure those people piss you off HARD to make you rage eventually just to report you after and pretend they did nothing. (Muting in game doesnt help much since they can steal CS and troll your lane). Plus we are all human beings as far as I know, everyone have a limit. When you play ranked every day, and you get a toxic/troll play in 9 out of 10 games (yes, it's that often unfortunately), it's near impossible to not rage eventually.

-- Honors should be only for a BONUS reward. Like Icons, wards and such. NOT for ranked rewards. -- It took me MONTHS to get to honor level 2, because it's that hard to get it, and then I got chat restriction because of a troll in my game that I lost pacience after 20 games getting trolls/toxic/afk players, and that happened 2 (TWO!!!!) days before the season reward... How am I supposed to unlock honor + get honor back up to level 2 in 2 days!? IMPOSSIBLE.

-- If you want the community to be less toxic/troll. MAKE A BETTER SYSTEM FOR IT. I want honor back to how it was, just as a bonus. I WASTED this whole year, ranking up, and doing MY BEST to not get banned/chat restriction, for someone to troll me so hard, that telling him to "please don't play ranked when you are 12 years old", and get chat restriction and lose my reward over it! (Yes, he was actually 12 year old, playing worse than a bot, in a ranked silver flex game, saying "this is my first time in ranked, I dont know how to play ashe). -- I'm sick of reporting players for being trolls/toxic/afk and nothing happens to them (we do know when it happens, coz they give you an alert for it). Also, how do we report someone for stealing CS and stuff!?? Please make a better system! PS: Even getting key frags is a pain due to this honor system... I have a bunch of chests stacked up, and no keys what so ever!

I saw ALOT of people complaining and even quitting game over this already, on discord/game. And I hope I get my Orianna Victorious, because losing that reward over this failed system, is ridiculous!!!

COMPLEMENT FROM deathgod5 POST Example:

player 1:

plays games at the start of the season gets 2 chat restricts and a 14-day ban is nice for the whole rest of the season. gets honor level 2 gets rewards

player 2:

plays the game through the entire season and is nice gets a chat restrict in the last part of the season. gets no rewards.

I am not saying that people do or don't deserve the rewards, I am saying that getting punished later in the season shouldn't be a bigger punishment because they broke the rules later.

They both broke the rules, yet one gets to be punished for it.

48 Comments

Voldymort5 votes

3rd: It's unfair to ONLY get season rewards having honor level 2, because we work our ass off, ranking up, tolerating all kinds of toxic/troll players, to get nothing in the end. Because you need to carry HARD to recieve honors from people, and even so, most of the time you don't even get those! Depending on people's honor is RIDICULOUS to get season reward, when YOU worked hard for it, most of the time by yourself.

you realise everyone starts at honor 2, right?

literally all you have to do to ensure getting season rewards is not be a dick to anyone. which is obscenely easy to do

Lyandere2 votes

You do realize the community is super toxic and everyone have a limit right!? Playing ranked is frustrating, not everyone have the patience to suck up every single troll/toxic player in every single game. If you can, congratulations to you! Want a prize!?

Voldymort3 votes

and everyone have a limit right!?

if you have a rough time controlling you ego over what happens in an online game, that's your problem, not riot's

If you can, congratulations to you! Want a prize!?

i'm getting my prize in a few days, depending on when my turn is up on that Orianna skin

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Lyandere1 votes

So why would they even bother making a report system for the toxic players then? Of course its their problem.

Voldymort2 votes

So why would they even bother making a report system for the toxic players then?

they bothered so that the toxic players don't get rewarded for their douchebaggery

wink

wink

COMPLEMENT FROM deathgod5 POST

same comment as the one i made there:

{quoted}

if two thieves get caught stealing and are sentenced for 6 months in jail, whose fault is it that the one who got caught in October doesn't get to be out on Christmas, as opposed to the one who got caught in March?

is it the system's fault or his?

Kei1432 votes

Are you one of those that have a poor definition of what a troll is?

They don't happen that often. Bad plays and bad decisions are not trolling.

rujitra1 votes

80% of players go through their time playing League without ever getting a single punishment.

Frantic childe

{quoted}

80% of players go through their time playing League without ever getting a single punishment.

where is your data come from??? Lmaooooo

WøOxer2 votes

{quoted}

you realise everyone starts at honor 2, right?

literally all you have to do to ensure getting season rewards is not be a dick to anyone. which is obscenely easy to do

What u mean not be a dick?

Every game every one are dicks to me, but when I get trolled and on purpose interrupting my game play, tell me what I must do?

Tell him DUDE GOOD JOB keep DENYING ME, WE GONNA WIN.

Right?

Voldymort3 votes

What u mean not be a dick?

Every game every one are dicks to me, but when I get trolled and on purpose interrupting my game play, tell me what I must do?

Tell him DUDE GOOD JOB keep DENYING ME, WE GONNA WIN.

Right?

if you have nothing nice to say, you can say nothing at all

because "saying nothing" is an option

just mute and report. it's not difficult!

WøOxer2 votes

{quoted}

if you have nothing nice to say, you can say nothing at all

because "saying nothing" is an option

just mute and report. it's not difficult!

Learn to read, you are so generic.

Voldymort2 votes

Learn to read, you are so generic.

"generic" =/= wrong

https://i.imgur.com/uIPUye5.gif

LeiRaion1 votes

{quoted}

"generic" =/= wrong

https://i.imgur.com/uIPUye5.gif

Wow you are quite full of yourself.

His point is that there are many very frustrating people that you'll encounter in your time playing League. It is what it is.

While yes, you should remain chill and report them at the end of the game. This often feels like it yields no results and people continue to do things like inting, trying to steal camps from your jungle because he didn't gank enough for you, spam MIA pings when a teammate misplays, teammates coming up to a teamfight and tapping "s" and standing still until the team dies, and many many other examples..

These behaviors are in my opinion significantly more toxic than getting angry at someone for committing them is. Let me pose a question for you

You are playing some 5 on 5 basketball in a neighborhood court. Nothing serious right? (Just like a normal 5v5 in league)

You have been trying your best because basketball is fundamentally a competitive game that requires your effort in order to effectively team-play. So you have been mainly making plays with PlayerA and PlayerB but finally get the opportunity to make a play with PlayerC. You pass the ball to PlayerC and he feels like you haven't been passing to him enough so he stops in the middle of the court, outstretches his arms, and gently hands the ball to the opposite team.

At this point, you exclaim, "Why the fuck did you do that??"

Now, my understand is... You think the exclaiming player is the problem. My opinion is... Yes, he probably shouldn't yell at his teammate and needs to take a step back. However, PlayerC is not the type of person I would EVER want to play with or against. I do not want a person like that anywhere near my games.

The OPs point is that these types of players exist in droves and what seems to happen is that the exclaiming player is punished, and punished hard. Whereas the PlayerCs of the Rift seem to skate by... as long as they don't say any naughty words.

Voldymort1 votes

Wow you are quite full of yourself.

that's neither here nor there

This often feels like it yields no results

just because toxicity exists, it doesn't automatically mean that the system is faulty

it can also mean that it can't keep up with the ever growing number of Hydra heads

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/06/26/villains/26-evil-captain-america.w700.h700.jpg

These behaviors are in my opinion significantly more toxic than getting angry at someone for committing them is.

it's not a contest of what is worse. they are all wrong

Let me pose a question for you

for argument sakes, I'll skip over the fact that "what the fuck...?" is not punishbale, by itself, in any sport or game. A more accurate assessment of the situation is if A called C a racial slur or some other form of insult, like most of these chatlogs contain

but i digress...

Now, my understand is... You think the exclaiming player is the problem.

no. i think that both are in the wrong

My opinion is... Yes, he probably shouldn't yell at his teammate and needs to take a step back.

you seem to be confused

there's a difference between asking "why?" or "what the fuck?" and being overly invested in the toxic attitude, the difference being that the former is totally ok.

However, PlayerC is not the type of person I would EVER want to play with or against. I do not want a person like that anywhere near my games.

no argument from me

The OPs point is that these types of players exist in droves and what_** seems **_to happen is that the exclaiming player is punished, and punished hard. Whereas the PlayerCs of the Rift _**seem **_to skate by... as long as they don't say any naughty words.

First of all, someone else "starting it" does not give you or anyone a green light on responding "in kind".

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EmiM7pZW,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-06T15:04:31.119+0000) All being a jerk back does is mean there are now two jerks, one of which started it and the other of which feels the way to "win" is to be the bigger jerk. You're not in any danger, there's no prize for the biggest jerk, and it just creates a worse environment for everyone in the game.

Secondly, that "seems" is the issue here.

Just because something "seems" to be in a certain way", it doesn't automatically mean that it actually "is"

People get banned for inting or trolling all the time.

The reason it doesn't "seem" so is because it's much harder to detect than a few lines of text. What most people label as "trolling" is more often than not people having a bad game.

I dare you to sit there and tell me that most people (particularly in low elo) won't report everyone on their team after a defeat for "trolling" simply because the team was unable to win it.

What most people don't realise is that the team is not made of themselves and 4 other LCS players. it's made of 5 people roughly as skilled at the game as him/herself. 4 other people that did their best but were unable to get the win... just like the 5th one.

LeiRaion1 votes

{quoted} The reason it doesn't "seem" so is because it's much harder to detect than a few lines of text. What most people label as "trolling" is more often than not people having a bad game.

I dare you to sit there and tell me that most people (particularly in low elo) won't report everyone on their team after a defeat for "trolling" simply because the team was unable to win it.

What most people don't realise is that the team is not made of themselves and 4 other LCS players. it's made of 5 people roughly as skilled at the game as him/herself. 4 other people that did their best but were unable to get the win... just like the 5th one.

Yeah I agree with that. I also mentioned that both players in my example were at fault. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone has the same temperament as you and expecting it to be so is unrealistic. Occasionally someone is just broken down and has a moment of weakness. I recently made a post about this... I had a culmination of events that lead me to having a temporary lapse in my behavior. I engaged with a player trolling me as I should not have done and after ONE GAME, I was issued a chat restriction which means I will lose all honor rewards and all end season rewards. That isn't a reasonable punishment. I have played this game for over 8 years with good behavior and that one game does not represent a trend.

Voldymort1 votes

The point I was trying to make is that not everyone has the same temperament as you and expecting it to be so is unrealistic.

sure

but rules are rules

if you care more about your ego than about skins then that's your problem

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Occasionally someone is just broken down and has a moment of weakness.

breaking the rules has consequences. if you run a red light and get pulled over, you are likely to get a ticket, even if you had oan otherwise spotless record.

I have played this game for over 8 years with good behavior and that one game does not represent a trend.

as a fellow old player, i can relate. (do you have ufo corki too? how old are we talking?:D)

however, as i said: breaking the rules has consequences. i had a chat restriction for similar reasons last august. and it was justified.

the difference between you and i is that i can admit fault and take responsability for my actions without complaining about the system being unfair. you should try it!

LeiRaion1 votes

{quoted} as a fellow old player, i can relate. (do you have ufo corki too? how old are we talking?:D)

however, as i said: breaking the rules has consequences. i had a chat restriction for similar reasons last august. and it was justified.

the difference between you and i is that i can admit fault and take responsability for my actions without complaining about the system being unfair. you should try it!

That's quite rude of you. I literally admitted fault in that last post. This isn't getting a ticket for running a red light for the first time with an otherwise spotless record.

This is running a red light with a spotless record then getting pulled over and the officer then takes your license, tows your car, and issues you a ticket and then says "So remember, breaking traffic rules is never acceptable! Have a good day."

Voldymort1 votes

That's quite rude of you. I literally admitted fault in that last post.

you have a strange way of "admitting fault":

{quoted} That isn't a reasonable punishment. I have played this game for over 8 years with good behavior and that one game does not represent a trend.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

This is running a red light with a spotless record then getting pulled over and the officer then takes your license, tows your car, and issues you a ticket and then says "So remember, breaking traffic rules is never acceptable! Have a good day."

you got a chat restriction, not a permaban

don't exagerate your comparison

[slayer-jinx-catface]

LeiRaion1 votes

{quoted}

you have a strange way of "admitting fault":

[slayer-jinx-catface]

you got a chat restriction, not a permaban

don't exagerate your comparison

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Hi, you quote the part were I state that the punishment is overboard but you left out the following:

I engaged with a player trolling me as I should not have done

I fully acknowledge that I should not have argued with this player in chat. All it does is pull focus away from the game play and into the chat window which is not beneficial to the team.

You may feel that the end season rewards are not that valuable or are "no big deal" and I respect your opinion on that matter. However, I do not feel that way. If you go and read my full post I explain it in much more detail there. This meant a lot to me so I feel that my example is not exaggerated from my perspective.

Kei1434 votes

What should you do? Change your mindset.

If there are dicks in every single one of your games, chances are you are doing something to trigger the dickness in them.

rujitra1 votes

Or he has the wrong idea of what constitutes a dick.

Frantic childe1 votes

{quoted}

you realise everyone starts at honor 2, right?

literally all you have to do to ensure getting season rewards is not be a dick to anyone. which is obscenely easy to do

LOL you act like you have never dicked to someone huh?

Voldymort1 votes

LOL you act like you have never dicked to someone huh?

the last time i have was in mid season 7

got a chat restriction for it. it was deserved.

what's your point?

ChiefDays1 votes

{quoted}

you realise everyone starts at honor 2, right?

literally all you have to do to ensure getting season rewards is not be a dick to anyone. which is obscenely easy to do

"Easy"? Say that when you play over 800 ranked games, constantly getting low tempered teammates, flaming you once is fine, you just go on and don't mind but game after game, constantly getting flamed, it gets hard to keep your cool. And as a human being, it's incredibly hard to do that when you have a bad day. It's just a joke, this system is bullshit, all those efforts committed to get your best rank only to figure out that in ONE of those 800 games made the other 799 a waste of time.

If anything, there's one thing that's for sure for next season. And that is that I won't be committing so much of my time trying to grind my ass off just to be ripped off at the end of the season with a non-sense moderation.

There's just no good aspects about the honor system. Just look on this forum, so many people complaining about the honor system, yet Riot doesn't do anything but memes at you with the -5 MS BALANCE updates.

The funny thing is, they already made it "easier" to climb it out, however it's as meme-able as the .25 CD Zoe meme & Irelia -5MS.

Voldymort1 votes

"Easy"?

did i stutter?

[sg-ezreal]

yes. easy!

Say that when you play over 800 ranked games, constantly getting low tempered teammates, flaming you once is fine, you just go on and don't mind but game after game, constantly getting flamed,

been there done that. it's easy when your skin is thick enough ;)

all those efforts committed to get your best rank only to figure out that in ONE of those 800 games made the other 799 a waste of time.

unless you live in a world where every bad deed is ignored and you face no consequences for it just because you've been a saint the rest of the time, that seems pretty darn accurate

Just look on this forum, so many people complaining about the honor system

i think you missunderstand just how much of a playerbase this game has. compared to the vast majority of the players, the numbers who post on these forums are an insignificant ammount

[sg-lulu]

ChiefDays1 votes

{quoted}

did i stutter?

[sg-ezreal]

yes. easy!

been there done that. it's easy when your skin is thick enough ;)

unless you live in a world where every bad deed is ignored and you face no consequences for it just because you've been a saint the rest of the time, that seems pretty darn accurate

i think you missunderstand just how much of a playerbase this game has. compared to the vast majority of the players, the numbers who post on these forums are an insignificant ammount

[sg-lulu]

The problem is not that the punishment should not be issued. The problem is that people would not want to "Reform", simply because they already know they won't make it for the rewards. For instance, I got a chat restriction 1 month before season ended, even riot said my honor was unlikely going back in time, and knowing that honor was going to reset anyways, I quit the game for several days. I came back because back then, I was on a huge winning streak and very close to Diamond, but if I wasn't motivated because of my winning streak, I would've quit this game long ago.

The reason I got moderated for was also very silly: One because I called out someone for being boosted, secondly because I said:"Just report him" after one of my teammates said:"Wtf is this Veigar doing" - The veigar was my support and went to other lanes to steal farm and INTENTIONALLY FEED the enemy laners. Because oh my god, I harassed the Veigar for telling people to report them, I MEAN. Oh my god how could I?

In response to those 2 "violations" I got a 10 games chat restriction, the probably lowest and least harsh out of all the moderations. But, the problem is here. If I had atleast 1 extra month, I could've gotten back my honor. But no, it wouldn't be Riot Games if they knew about this and allowed people to "reform" in time.

That's how you get a toxic community, that moderation didn't even make me want OR make me try to reform, I got more toxic overall.

Voldymort1 votes

The problem is not that the punishment should not be issued.

why not?

riot makes rule

riot nforms player that breaking rule generates a punishment

player agrees to the rule and the punishment by ticking the "i agree to the ToU" box

player plays the game

player breaks rule

player is punished

what is the problem?

The problem is that people would not want to "Reform", simply because they already know they won't make it for the rewards.

clears throat

{quoted}

if you are only interested in being a decent human being just for the rewards then you don't deserve them in the first place

[sg-ahri-2]

The reason I got moderated for was also very silly: One because I called out someone for being boosted, secondly because I said:"Just report him" after one of my teammates said:"Wtf is this Veigar doing" - The veigar was my support and went to other lanes to steal farm and INTENTIONALLY FEED the enemy laners.

In response to those 2 "violations" I got a 10 games chat restriction,

those 2 "violations"

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ChiefDays: this ekko ChiefDays: is trash ChiefDays: you0're ChiefDays: a ChiefDays: monkey

ChiefDays: shut up ChiefDays: and get carried ChiefDays: 153 cs ChiefDays: 4/1 ChiefDays: vs ChiefDays: 0/4 ChiefDays: 125cs

ChiefDays: those animals ChiefDays: dont deserve ChiefDays: a single lp ChiefDays: 0/8 botlane ChiefDays: laughable ChiefDays: soraka ChiefDays: you're useless ChiefDays: why even talk ChiefDays: go next ChiefDays: please ChiefDays: I lost enough brain cells ChiefDays: 1/5 ChiefDays: don't deserve ChiefDays: to be carried ChiefDays: y ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: 1/9 ChiefDays: botlane ChiefDays: soraka ChiefDays: stop getting boosted ChiefDays: to plat ChiefDays: it's ugly ChiefDays: please ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: unlucky bot and mid ChiefDays: lmfao Post-Game ChiefDays: Soraka ChiefDays: stop eloboosting ChiefDays: it's ugly ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: YOU'RE ChiefDays: LEGIT ChiefDays: BOOSTED ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: LOOK AT YOUR RANK CHART ChiefDays: FROM G2 ChiefDays: TO P4 ChiefDays: AND NOW NOT PLAYING ANYMORE ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHAH ChiefDays: Holy ChiefDays: shit ChiefDays: Soraka ChiefDays: Stop ChiefDays: buiying ChiefDays: ranks ChiefDays: holy ChiefDays: shit ChiefDays: Cause ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: a ChiefDays: bgoosted ChiefDays: animal ChiefDays: with this vayne ChiefDays: Spend your money on something you can actually gain from ChiefDays: Getting a rank ChiefDays: and then still having mechanics ChiefDays: of a silver ChiefDays: LOL ChiefDays: I'm not even a kindred main ChiefDays: Check my op.gg ChiefDays: Bro ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: boosted ChiefDays: That's beyong being shit ChiefDays: shet ChiefDays: ?????? ChiefDays: Speak English ChiefDays: I'm done ChiefDays: thanks for the laughs ChiefDays: lmfao ChiefDays: Legit boosted

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ChiefDays: he's trash ChiefDays: jusst report him

ChiefDays: 0/7 ChiefDays: why would ChiefDays: I ChiefDays: save ChiefDays: you ChiefDays: ù ChiefDays: just ChiefDays: ignore ChiefDays: him

ChiefDays: just report veigar ChiefDays: ty

you're as abnoxious as they come, aren't cha?

ChiefDays1 votes

{quoted}

why not?

riot makes rule

riot nforms player that breaking rule generates a punishment

player agrees to the rule and the punishment by ticking the "i agree to the ToU" box

player plays the game

player breaks rule

player is punished

what is the problem?

clears throat

[sg-ahri-2] One because I called out someone for being boosted, secondly because I said:"Just report him" after one of my teammates said:"Wtf is this Veigar doing" - The veigar was my support and went to other lanes to steal farm and INTENTIONALLY FEED the enemy laners.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811NH41orTL.png ChiefDays: is trash ChiefDays: you0're ChiefDays: a ChiefDays: monkey ChiefDays: and get carried ChiefDays: 153 cs ChiefDays: 4/1 ChiefDays: vs ChiefDays: 0/4 ChiefDays: 125cs ChiefDays: dont deserve ChiefDays: a single lp ChiefDays: 0/8 botlane ChiefDays: laughable ChiefDays: soraka ChiefDays: you're useless ChiefDays: why even talk ChiefDays: go next ChiefDays: please ChiefDays: I lost enough brain cells ChiefDays: 1/5 ChiefDays: don't deserve ChiefDays: to be carried ChiefDays: y ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: 1/9 ChiefDays: botlane ChiefDays: soraka ChiefDays: stop getting boosted ChiefDays: to plat ChiefDays: it's ugly ChiefDays: please ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: unlucky bot and mid ChiefDays: lmfao Post-Game ChiefDays: Soraka ChiefDays: stop eloboosting ChiefDays: it's ugly ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: YOU'RE ChiefDays: LEGIT ChiefDays: BOOSTED ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHA ChiefDays: LOOK AT YOUR RANK CHART ChiefDays: FROM G2 ChiefDays: TO P4 ChiefDays: AND NOW NOT PLAYING ANYMORE ChiefDays: HAHAHAHAHAHAH ChiefDays: Holy ChiefDays: shit ChiefDays: Soraka ChiefDays: Stop ChiefDays: buiying ChiefDays: ranks ChiefDays: holy ChiefDays: shit ChiefDays: Cause ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: a ChiefDays: bgoosted ChiefDays: animal ChiefDays: with this vayne ChiefDays: Spend your money on something you can actually gain from ChiefDays: Getting a rank ChiefDays: and then still having mechanics ChiefDays: of a silver ChiefDays: LOL ChiefDays: I'm not even a kindred main ChiefDays: Check my op.gg ChiefDays: Bro ChiefDays: you're ChiefDays: boosted ChiefDays: That's beyong being shit ChiefDays: shet ChiefDays: ?????? ChiefDays: Speak English ChiefDays: I'm done ChiefDays: thanks for the laughs ChiefDays: lmfao ChiefDays: Legit boosted

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811NH41orTL.png ChiefDays: jusst report him ChiefDays: why would ChiefDays: I ChiefDays: save ChiefDays: you ChiefDays: ù ChiefDays: just ChiefDays: ignore ChiefDays: him ChiefDays: ty

you're as abnoxious as they come, aren't cha?

You don't get my point, don't you? If Riot wants player to stop being toxic, they should make it so it's possible to redeem themselves, accordingly to the severity of the punishment they issued. I'm saying that the current moderation system is a joke, a 10 games chat restriction is barely a warning yet ruins all your ranked career if you're unlucky enough to get it on the wrong time. This, is very unhealthy. Both for the community and the game. Why? Because it doesn't motivate you to play positively, it just makes you think that there are trollers who get away with their ban yet you get a chat restriction over something of small scale. I still believe the player I called out in game 1 is boosted anyways, not sure if Riot banned them yet.

Now in my opinion: Did I deserve the chat restriction? Yes, I did. Even though game 2 had no reason to be cited since I find it really dumb to believe that's considered "harassment".

Did I deserve to lose my ranked rewards? Yes and no, they should make skins be optional, even though honestly, I must say that I was never crazy about those Victorious skins but denying the profile banner, that I worked all season long, just makes no sense. How does honor represent your skill in game? And for instance, before I my first chat moderation I was level 4 honor. Just one bad game and boom, I'm the most toxic person ever on everyone's eyes.

Did it make me want to quit the game? Definitely, there's nothing worse than wasting your time and not even having that satisfication of getting a reward for all your efforts and time spent on the game.

Voldymort1 votes

You don't get my point, do you?

FTFY

If Riot wants player to stop being toxic, they should make it so it's possible to redeem themselves, accordingly to the severity of the punishment they issued.

https://i.imgflip.com/2mmzs7.jpg

I'm saying that the current moderation system is a joke, a 10 games chat restriction is barely a warning yet ruins all your ranked career if you're unlucky enough to get it on the wrong time.

The reason for getting it is that you were toxic. There's a simple way to remove this problem: whispers don't be toxic!

[slayer-jinx-catface]

This, is very unhealthy. Both for the community and the game. Why? Because it doesn't motivate you to play positively, it just makes you think that there are trollers who get away with their ban yet you get a chat restriction over something of small scale.

What makes you think that "the other guy" didnt get a chat restriction too?

I still believe the player I called out in game 1 is boosted anyways, not sure if Riot banned them yet.

She's boosted... Because of a bad game?

Now in my opinion: Did I deserve the chat restriction? Yes, I did. Even though game 2 had no reason to be cited since I find it really dumb to believe that's considered "harassment".

And yet it is. Your opinion on wether or not it should be doesn't change how reality works

Did I deserve to lose my ranked rewards? Yes and no,

https://i.imgflip.com/1tr0gz.jpg

they should make skins be optional, even though honestly, I must say that I was never crazy about those Victorious skins but denying the profile banner, that I worked all season long, just makes no sense. How does honor represent your skill in game?

League is a teamwork based game and you get honored by being a good teammate.

[sg-lulu]

And for instance, before I my first chat moderation I was level 4 honor. Just one bad game and boom, I'm the most toxic person ever on everyone's eyes.

Everyone has bad games. The difference is in the way we react to them. You chose the keyboard warrior way so you get the stick, while others chose the ignore option via the mute button so they get cookies.

Did it make me want to quit the game? Definitely

After reading that log, I have two words for you: "God speed!"

there's nothing worse than wasting your time and not even having that satisfication of getting a reward for all your efforts and time spent on the game.

Somewhere along the way, you seem to have forgotten that it's just a game so your "reward" for the time spent are the fond memories you made. That's enough for most people who leave a game behind. Why not you as well?

ChiefDays1 votes

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FTFY

https://i.imgflip.com/2mmzs7.jpg

The reason for getting it is that you were toxic. There's a simple way to remove this problem: whispers don't be toxic!

[slayer-jinx-catface]

What makes you think that "the other guy" didnt get a chat restriction too?

She's boosted... Because of a bad game? Did I deserve the chat restriction? Yes, I did. Even though game 2 had no reason to be cited since I find it really dumb to believe that's considered "harassment".

And yet it is. Your opinion on wether or not it should be doesn't change how reality works Yes and no,

https://i.imgflip.com/1tr0gz.jpg

League is a teamwork based game and you get honored by being a good teammate.

[sg-lulu]

Everyone has bad games. The difference is in the way we react to them. You chose the keyboard warrior way so you get the stick, while others chose the ignore option via the mute button so they get cookies. Definitely

After reading that log, I have two words for you: "God speed!"

Somewhere along the way, you seem to have forgotten that it's just a game so your "reward" for the time spent are the fond memories you made. That's enough for most people who leave a game behind. Why not you as well?

I'm saying it's not rational to issue a small scale punishment at the end of the season, atleast, if you do get a small scale punishment, give us a chance to get our honor back. If not, don't expect people to react positively.

A way to give us a chance is by delaying our rewards till we get our honor back, up to 4 months or something, since I heard it takes half a season just to go from level 1 honor to 2.

Jo0o3 votes

So, the system was great until you made your way to the wrong side of it, and now it's bad. Roger.

Voldymort1 votes

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BeatleZzz1 votes

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So, the system was great until you made your way to the wrong side of it, and now it's bad. Roger.

Jo0o please read what he's saying clearly. The new system is MUCH worse than the old system because CASUAL players get hurt FAR worse than grinders. A person who has strict parents who can only play maybe 5 games a week, who gets a 10 game chat restriction at the very beginning of the season is not going to reach honor level 2 by the end. Same goes for very busy college students, like Physics majors. They don't have time to grind videogames.

Jo0o1 votes

I don't think that's accurate. Honor growth is a function of both number of games played AND time, not just games played. Casual players can still climb.

Check out my match history this season. I've been playing a lot recently, to reach gold before the season's end, but you can see that I clearly have a lot else going on. I often go weeks or even months without playing. I still made it to honor 4.2 this season.

deathgod51 votes

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Voldymort1 votes

if any IRL system worked like that nobody would ever be punished.

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deathgod51 votes

I removed my previous comment because I wrote it in a stupid, condescending and long way so let me kinda shorten it so I don't come over like the giant dick I am sometimes.

They have decided that a reward of a player should be given out only to people that have shown they deserve it. You can agree or disagree with this(personally I think it is weird that your punishment can vary between times and seasons).

A punishment system like riots one has a huge margin of errors and bugs.

  • people get away unpunished
  • sometimes it bans people unfairly
  • sometimes it just crashes for a while

However, all of these things are no reason to not punish people that get caught. If you would do this no system would ever work.

So while I agree that their honor system is weird and stupid sometimes, it is not fair to expect them to punish nobody because they can't catch everybody. If you would do that, you would let every toxic player walk instead of some of them.

Voldymort1 votes

I removed my previous comment because I wrote it in a stupid, condescending and long way so let me kinda shorten it so I don't come over like the giant dick I am sometimes.

i actually liked it

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Baka Red1 votes

1st: Balance (whatever you mean with that) is the same for every league player, so it is perfectly same balance for everyone, however imbalanced you feel it is.

2nd: Yes, gameplay trolling is harder to detect than chat abuse, but gameplay trolling receives harder penalties than chat abuse when that is (finally) detected.

3rd: Honor 2 is the level you start with. If someone cannot keep his cool and gets punished, it is his fault, not anybody elses. Those who keep their cool can easily reach honor 5 within the season. Similar restrictions on reward receiving did exist before the current honor system. I cannot comment on if the recovery from low honor is too difficult or not, since I haven't ever been punished (and never will). If you don't want to do the honor recovery to honor 2, don't lose your honor by keeping your cool.

4th: Honor system does make people less toxic/troll. The Carrot and the Stick works just fine. You are most likely just crying because you got the stick. It is unfortunate, but please learn to behave. You reap what you sow.

Modi1 votes

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When these changes first came out, I thought it was something good and positive, but it ended up being REALLY BAD.

1st: the balance in ranked is terrible, which causes people to end up with really bad players.

I would argue that smurfing makes this worse. Since I don't play ranked, I can't say for certain.

2nd: the "report" and "penalty" system is broken, it's way too easy to be a huge troll and bypass that without getting any penalty what so ever. Since they can run around the map doing nothing, they can steal CS, etc etc. If you say any bad words, even if they are not towards anyone, example: you died and you say "shit I died", someone can be an asshole, report you for that, and you will get fucked up over it. Happened to many people before, me included.

Plenty of times in my games, I have said: ass, fuck, shit, piss, damn, in this exact same context (eg. "Shit, I fucked up"), not once have I been given a punishment. There's probably more to those chat logs than just cursing aloud.

3rd: It's unfair to ONLY get season rewards having honor level 2, because we work our ass off, ranking up, tolerating all kinds of toxic/troll players, to get nothing in the end. Because you need to carry HARD to recieve honors from people, and even so, most of the time you don't even get those! Depending on people's honor is RIDICULOUS to get season reward, when YOU worked hard for it, most of the time by yourself.

Is it fair to have to deal with asshole who flamed at every little thing? I think not.

The fact that you start at honor 2, and you need only honor 2 for rewards makes it fair. The only way to go below that honor is to collate the rules.

4th: Honor system DOES NOT make the community less toxic/troll. Maybe even the opposite of that, because I'm pretty sure those people piss you off HARD to make you rage eventually just to report you after and pretend they did nothing. (Muting in game doesnt help much since they can steal CS and troll your lane). Plus we are all human beings as far as I know, everyone have a limit. When you play ranked every day, and you get a toxic/troll play in 9 out of 10 games (yes, it's that often unfortunately), it's near impossible to not rage eventually.

Not impossible. It takes self-control, which is not an impossible skill to acquire

-- Honors should be only for a BONUS reward. Like Icons, wards and such. NOT for ranked rewards. -- It took me MONTHS to get to honor level 2, because it's that hard to get it, and then I got chat restriction because of a troll in my game that I lost pacience after 20 games getting trolls/toxic/afk players, and that happened 2 (TWO!!!!) days before the season reward... How am I supposed to unlock honor + get honor back up to level 2 in 2 days!? IMPOSSIBLE.

If you had to take months to get to honor 2, that means you were below honor 2, which means you were punished for breaking the rules.

-- If you want the community to be less toxic/troll. MAKE A BETTER SYSTEM FOR IT. I want honor back to how it was, just as a bonus. I WASTED this whole year, ranking up, and doing MY BEST to not get banned/chat restriction, for someone to troll me so hard, that telling him to "please don't play ranked when you are 12 years old", and get chat restriction and lose my reward over it! (Yes, he was actually 12 year old, playing worse than a bot, in a ranked silver flex game, saying "this is my first time in ranked, I dont know how to play ashe).

In the old system, if you had a 14 day ban at any point in the season, you lose rewards, no reform possible. You want that?

-- I'm sick of reporting players for being trolls/toxic/afk and nothing happens to them (we do know when it happens, coz they give you an alert for it).

The alert is not guaranteed. If will occasionally display when action is taken.

Also, how do we report someone for stealing CS and stuff!?? Please make a better system! PS: Even getting key frags is a pain due to this honor system... I have a bunch of chests stacked up, and no keys what so ever!

Key fragments are tied to honor. Right now, I have more than 20 whole keys, and several key fragments. I usually get one fragment per login each day or so

I saw ALOT of people complaining and even quitting game over this already, on discord/game. And I hope I get my Orianna Victorious, because losing that reward over this failed system, is ridiculous!!!

COMPLEMENT FROM deathgod5 POST Example:

player 1:

player 2:

I am not saying that people do or don't deserve the rewards, I am saying that getting punished later in the season shouldn't be a bigger punishment because they broke the rules later.

They both broke the rules, yet one gets to be punished for it.

It's not a bigger punishment, but the stakes are higher. The punishment is the same. You are conflating the punishment with the subsequent events.

BeatleZzz1 votes

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I would argue that smurfing makes this worse. Since I don't play ranked, I can't say for certain.

Plenty of times in my games, I have said: ass, fuck, shit, piss, damn, in this exact same context (eg. "Shit, I fucked up"), not once have I been given a punishment. There's probably more to those chat logs than just cursing aloud.

Is it fair to have to deal with asshole who flamed at every little thing? I think not.

The fact that you start at honor 2, and you need only honor 2 for rewards makes it fair. The only way to go below that honor is to collate the rules.

Not impossible. It takes self-control, which is not an impossible skill to acquire

If you had to take months to get to honor 2, that means you were below honor 2, which means you were punished for breaking the rules.

In the old system, if you had a 14 day ban at any point in the season, you lose rewards, no reform possible. You want that?

The alert is not guaranteed. If will occasionally display when action is taken.

Let fragments are yours to honor. Right now, I have more than 20 whole keys, and several key fragments. I usually get one fragment per login each day or so

It's not a bigger punishment, but the stakes are higher. The punishment is the same. You are conflating the punishment with the subsequent events.

You are wrong. Under the old system, if you had a 14 day ban AFTER the week of August, OR had an ACTIVE chat restriction, you lost rewards.

Under the new system, you have to be honor level 2, and dropping to honor level 1 for a 10 game chat restriction (which is your "warning", right?), could take HUNDREDS of games to grind back to honor level 2.

A tightly parented highschool kid or busy college student isn't going to be able to play hundreds of games a week. They might only get to play 4 games a week.

5 games a week?

That means if you got a 10 game chat restriction at the VERY BEGINNING OF THE SEASON---no rewards for you. Not trying to insult you here but your logic is just extremely flawed.

Modi1 votes

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You are wrong. Under the old system, if you had a 14 day ban AFTER the week of August, OR had an ACTIVE chat restriction, you lost rewards.

Being that I was never punished under the old system, forgive my for my misunderstanding.

Under the new system, you have to be honor level 2, and dropping to honor level 1 for a 10 game chat restriction (which is your "warning", right?), could take HUNDREDS of games to grind back to honor level 2.

Yes, it could, and it is INTENDED to be hard. The system is (and should be seen as) a deterrent to poor behavior. I agree that for mild chat behavioral incidents could have a warning before the first punishment, but I agree with the severity of all punishment levels. If you get chat restricted, you should have to work hard to get back to being honorable. You should not be rewarded for being a jerk to your fellow players.

A tightly parented highschool kid or busy college student isn't going to be able to play hundreds of games a week. They might only get to play 4 games a week.

5 games a week?

That is how it works. Life is different for different people. Parents are different, schools are different, laws are different, and so on. If you know that you can only play an average of one game per day, then you should know that you're behavior means a lot more. I don't always have the time to play either, I have a job that is quite hectic. Some weeks, I work 60+ hours (being a software developer is great, don't get me wrong, but sometimes the hours suck), and have to walk/play with my two gods, then I have my wife to spend time with, then there's the rest of my family and friends... Everyone has their unique life situations. Just because you don't have the time to get out of the lower honor tiers, does not merit special treatment.

That means if you got a 10 game chat restriction at the VERY BEGINNING OF THE SEASON---no rewards for you.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/yBXTyjAO-dishonorable-to-honor-0

While this does not exactly say anything from honor 0 -> honor 1 -> honor 2, it does give you some idea on what it takes to move a level. If I had to guess, locked -> honor 0 is the same as a single checkpoint. Based on what was shared, I estimate 350 games to go from dishonored to honor 2. here's my reasoning:

  • Locked -> Dishonored (aka honor 0): 44 games.
  • Dishonored -> Honor 1: 44 games per checkpoint (no checkpoints exist for this level, so assuming 3 "hidden" checkpoints), also multiplying by 110%, saying this level is 10% harder than the last to attain. This works out to
  • Honor 1 -> Honor 2: Same as before 44 as a baseline per checkpoint, three hidden checkpoints, 110% harder than the previous level
  • Total: 44 + 44 * 3 * 1.1 + 44 * 3 * 1.1^2 = 44 + 145 + 160 = 349, rounded up to 350

If you play one game per day, then yes, it will take you a whole year. Most students have far more time than adults to play games, especially during school breaks. If anything, the system is less "fair" to adults who work and have families, but most of us in that group understand that life is what it is, and you take advantage of the time you have.

Mind you, this is just an extrapolation of existing data, and if the inputs are different, they can have drastic effects on the end result. If the estimates here hold true, it would take you roughly one year with one game per day, to complete the "climb", if you exhibit entirely NEUTRAL behavior. Positive behavior, and thus receiving more honors, accelerates your climb, requiring fewer games of good/neutral behavior. Negative behavior, whether punished or not, decelerates your climb, requiring more games. of good/neutral behavior.

Not trying to insult you here but your logic is just extremely flawed.

My understanding of the old system was wrong, I freely admit. My "logic" does not have a "flaw" in it, as my previous post was not rooted in logic. There were factual remarks (although typos exist in the original, which I will fix soon...damn phone predictive text), and opinions which are entirely my own. My opinions are based on my understanding of the intent behind the system. Nothing in there is rooted in logic in any sense of the word.

However, this post has logical underpinnings in the section above, regarding the time it takes to climb honor levels.

Modi1 votes

A tightly parented highschool kid or busy college student isn't going to be able to play hundreds of games a week. They might only get to play 4 games a week.

5 games a week?

That means if you got a 10 game chat restriction at the VERY BEGINNING OF THE SEASON---no rewards for you. Not trying to insult you here but your logic is just extremely flawed.

Periscope kindly updated his thread about honor progression and time. His actual data is better than my estimates in my other reply:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/yBXTyjAO-dishonorable-to-honor-1-edit-111318

Danksley1 votes

2 week ban at any point in the season should prevent rewards IMHO.

Hollowchazz1 votes

I agree the system is way too harsh. There is no strike system or nothing.

One time i trolled a one for all game because i was salty over irelia's change and how everyone kept picking her. It was early in the morning and i had a lapse of judgment and inted 2 times at the start because i said in champ select i was going to int if i have to play irelia again.

Sure enough a single unranked game got me chat restricted for 10 wins AND i lost honor 2. I only trolled because i was under the impression that a single bad game wouldn't matter, But now i know you can't even troll for a single game in unranked rotating game modes.

This is all fine and dandy, the system worked as intended but...

Getting honor in league is EXTREMELY tedious and the worst part is...you can't even track your progression. So there i was playing more games than i wanted per day hoping to get my honor back. it took me about 3 months to go from honor 1 to honor 2. At first your honor is "locked" for a long time, then it eventually becomes unlocked when it feels like it and usually upon logging in. then you have to get through 3 checkpoints each taking about 2 weeks of regular play.

I don't believe a single bad game should be the end of peoples victorious skin rewards, it should be at least 3 games with the counter resetting every 100 games

Jo0o1 votes

Intentional feeding is supposed to be an automatic 14-day ban. You got off easy.

Fake Korëan1 votes

I have received 6 permabans (2 for flaming,1 for "unallowed party programs" and other 3 for "griefing") yet i know that i wont receive rewards probably ever.. Im probably on edge now cause i think that next ban is gonna be last (ID) so am trying to be "better"even tho rewards are the only thing probably that encourages me to play . System is just on another level of stupidity controlled by clowns,. Meta is killing this game every single new patch by making tanks gods and morphing assassins into "REAPERS". Its sad how no one in that company can actually fix this game because,for every good change they make,they screw another,and thats a vicious circle that is gonna be repeated as long as there are "School Dropouts" and Clowns there. FeelsBadMan tho. I just think that reforming in this game is not worth it,cause it will take u 1/3 season (or 1/3 year,or even more) to make drastic progress in honor (it is possible to do it in 1 or 2 months but mehhh). This game should be only played for fun,everything else is a stressful experience.

Foxy Himiko1 votes

I have personally seen an extreme toxicity drop in my games since honor came out. I don't think you are running into as much toxicity as you are claiming. Unless you take into account that the system places generally toxic people whit others who are generally toxic. All I'm getting from this is you are toxic and want the rewards you were told you couldn't get if your honor was below level 2. (Which is PRETTY hard to do)

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