Perma Ban

silverreign·Feb 4, 2019·3 votes·2,912 views

Well league it was fun but generation snowflake seems to think its good to antagonize other players and then when you defend yourself they cry out report and then have their duo partner also report. GG riot your game went downhill after season 6 and being perma banned is probably best thing for me as the community is very toxic and to the point of not even being fun or entertaining anymore. By the way when you only provide chat logs for what you say it is easy to pull things out of context and i was wondering if you ever even bother to check the chat logs of those who actually do the reporting to determine if those individuals are actually antagonizing and egging the toxic behavior on. Maybe in the future to keep things fair and unbias actually read into reports instead of use bots to determine hey this person typed 10 times in chat they must be toxic and actually read what is being said instead of perma banning an account that has been active since season 2. Time and money invested should also be considered prior to permanently banning an account as well as the standing of those who are doing the reporting.

TLDR: The life cycle of this game is near its end and I doubt this will stay on forums long as censorship is on the rise

47 Comments

ModBianca ColtFeb 4, 20198 votes

Well league it was fun but generation snowflake seems to think its good to antagonize other players and then ~~when you defend yourself~~ they cry out report and then have ~~their duo partner also report~~.

As long as you're not retaliating, you won't get punished for defending yourself. Mind you that defending yourself means muting the source of toxicity, not responding to it. Also, multiple reports have the exact same effect as only one report. More change nothing, which is why premade reports, for example, don't matter at all and won't increase the likelihood of someone getting punished.

By the way when you only provide chat logs for what you say it is easy to pull things out of context and i was wondering if you ever even bother to check the chat logs of those who actually do the reporting

What other people did is, essentially, irrelevant, because we're discussing your behaviour here. If someone else broke the rules, they will have their own case to worry about, but you are responsible for what you type in chat. It doesn't matter who starts a flame war, but who participates in it.

Maybe in the future to keep things fair and unbias actually read into reports instead of use bots

Manual reviews of every single chat related report aren't possible. There are way too many games being played at any given moment for Riot to install something like that. On top of that, their current IFS system, which is in charge of dealing with these topics, boasts high speed, lofty reform rates and outstanding accuracy.

Time and money invested should also be considered prior to permanently banning an account

No, it shouldn't, because spending money doesn't unlock any extra privileges. Same goes for the amount of time you spent playing this game. It would make no sense if we were able to use those as a shield against the rules.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

Well in the event that a permanent ban would be issued a human touch should be involved otherwise what is the point in attempting to reform. How many people own multiple accounts yet perform the same way and never learn their lesson? This is one reason i feel toxicity prevails and those who stand against it will end up eating crow in the long run as the cycle will go full circle eventually as the players get older and new crowds come in, solo players be damned.

ModBianca ColtFeb 4, 20193 votes

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Well in the event that a permanent ban would be issued a human touch should be involved otherwise what is the point in attempting to reform. How many people own multiple accounts yet perform the same way and never learn their lesson?

When Riot permanently suspend your account, they aren't aiming to reform you, they're simply telling you that they don't want you playing their game anymore. The reforming process is comprised of the first three punishment tiers.

Of course, some people learn from their mistakes and actually reform after being hit by a permanent suspension, and that's great. However, a lot of them tend to just create new accounts (and there's nothing Riot can do to prevent that) and do the exact same thing over and over again.

silverreignFeb 4, 20192 votes

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When Riot permanently suspend your account, they aren't aiming to reform you, they're simply telling you that they don't want you playing their game anymore. The reforming process is comprised of the first three punishment tiers.

Of course, some people learn from their mistakes and actually reform after being hit by a permanent suspension, and that's great. However, a lot of them tend to just create new accounts (and there's nothing Riot can do to prevent that) and do the exact same thing over and over again.

There is something they could do, simply IP Ban them, i am sure though this would lead to too much loss as far as revenue goes so they rather have a game filled with players who never change and remain bottom feeders.

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20193 votes

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There is something they could do, simply IP Ban them, i am sure though this would lead to too much loss as far as revenue goes so they rather have a game filled with players who never change and remain bottom feeders.

IP bans are both easy to bypass effectively making it worthless at keeping many individuals out, and dangerous to any IP address that represents large networks of people such as dorms and internet cafes.

Vegito101Feb 4, 20191 votes

Truth

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

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As long as you're not retaliating, you won't get punished for defending yourself. Mind you that defending yourself means muting the source of toxicity, not responding to it. Also, multiple reports have the exact same effect as only one report. More change nothing, which is why premade reports, for example, don't matter at all and won't increase the likelihood of someone getting punished.

What other people did is, essentially, irrelevant, because we're discussing your behaviour here. If someone else broke the rules, they will have their own case to worry about, but you are responsible for what you type in chat. It doesn't matter who starts a flame war, but who participates in it.

Manual reviews of every single chat related report aren't possible. There are way too many games being played at any given moment for Riot to install something like that. On top of that, their current IFS system, which is in charge of dealing with these topics, boasts high speed, lofty reform rates and outstanding accuracy.

No, it shouldn't, because spending money doesn't unlock any extra privileges. Same goes for the amount of time you spent playing this game. It would make no sense if we were able to use those as a shield against the rules.

YES, DON'T ACTUALLY verbalize yourself, your only choice is to WALK AWAY (tail between legs) and say/do nothing. Welcome to the new NA (democrats)

Hazy ShadeFeb 4, 20191 votes

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YES, DON'T ACTUALLY verbalize yourself, your only choice is to WALK AWAY (tail between legs) and say/do nothing. Welcome to the new NA (democrats)

Why would you 'verbalize' yourself? When you are arguing in game, you aren't playing the game. The other 8 people in the game give 0 craps about your need to verbalize. Just play the dang game. Doesn't matter what someone says to you. Ignore them. Play the game. Report them or don't. Up to you. Don't waste other peoples time because you need to flame in game.

GreenKnightFeb 4, 20194 votes

Don't defend yourself in games, it's pointless. Mute their ass, and then report that behavior after the game.

Besides, automated system is really the only way punishments can be handled. There's waaaaay too many players for Riot to manually review them all.

Edit: God dammit, too late again.

Apricot JamsFeb 4, 20193 votes

Yeap it's definitely going downhill per last years earnings. Anyone that comes here speaking out about permas is downvoted to oblivion. Companies that ignore real feedback and think they're always right are doomed.

Vegito101Feb 4, 20191 votes

True baby.dont complain on riot in this forum

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20193 votes

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Manual reviews of every single chat related report aren't possible. There are way too many games being played at any given moment for Riot to install something like that. On top of that, their current IFS system, which is in charge of dealing with these topics, boasts high speed, lofty reform rates and outstanding accuracy.

Well in the event that a permanent ban would be issued a human touch should be involved otherwise what is the point in attempting to reform. How many people own multiple accounts yet perform the same way and never learn their lesson? This is one reason i feel toxicity prevails and those who stand against it will end up eating crow in the long run as the cycle will go full circle eventually as the players get older and new crowds come in, solo players be damned.

Once it reaches the perma-ban stage it's no longer about getting a person to reform. A perma-ban is Riot's best method to encourage a player to go elsewhere.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

I agree, Dota is probably looking for money this time of year.

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20193 votes

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I agree, Dota is probably looking for money this time of year.

This punishment system has been active for four years.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

Ehh you are right, alas the effort i have spent in this game attempting to make a climb out of bronze in solo queue for the last 8 years is for not, have fun pleb adcs who refuse to grab heal as a spell.

Game 1 Pre-Game silverreign: jinx get heal silverreign: i can support a different lane if you dont want to play like a team player In-Game silverreign: why does any adc except you get heal? silverreign: soo glad we have a heal bot silverreign: if only you grabbed heal likea good adc silverreign: your stubborness will keep you in this low elo silverreign: if only our adc had heal silverreign: its funny all other adcs get heal silverreign: so im too stupid for you enjoy your solo lane silverreign: actually it is silverreign: jinx let bot lose silverreign: and you are toxic get muted and reported silverreign: noob ww must be duo with jinx silverreign: we are winning why would we surrender silverreign: no idea what ww is doing silverreign: jinx is a troll silverreign: thats fine silverreign: free loss for jinx is worth more Post-Game silverreign: ww and jinx toxic silverreign: must have been duo silverreign: they sure fed like it

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20193 votes

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Ehh you are right, alas the effort i have spent in this game attempting to make a climb out of bronze in solo queue for the last 8 years is for not, have fun pleb adcs who refuse to grab heal as a spell.

Game 1 Pre-Game silverreign: jinx get heal silverreign: i can support a different lane if you dont want to play like a team player In-Game silverreign: why does any adc except you get heal? silverreign: soo glad we have a heal bot silverreign: if only you grabbed heal likea good adc silverreign: your stubborness will keep you in this low elo silverreign: if only our adc had heal silverreign: its funny all other adcs get heal silverreign: so im too stupid for you enjoy your solo lane silverreign: actually it is silverreign: jinx let bot lose silverreign: and you are toxic get muted and reported silverreign: noob ww must be duo with jinx silverreign: we are winning why would we surrender silverreign: no idea what ww is doing silverreign: jinx is a troll silverreign: thats fine silverreign: free loss for jinx is worth more Post-Game silverreign: ww and jinx toxic silverreign: must have been duo silverreign: they sure fed like it

If you wanted to make sure the ADC had summoner heal then you can queue up as ADC and pick that summoner. But you don't get to dictate which summoners the ADC takes when you're not playing the ADC.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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If you wanted to make sure the ADC had summoner heal then you can queue up as ADC and pick that summoner. But you don't get to dictate which summoners the ADC takes when you're not playing the ADC.

Though they get to dictate whether or not i get to continue playing the game because of their poor selfish choices?

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20192 votes

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Though they get to dictate whether or not i get to continue playing the game because of their poor selfish choices?

They don't dictate that, Riot does. When you queue up for a match you agree to follow the rules which includes playing a game to its completion.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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They don't dictate that, Riot does. When you queue up for a match you agree to follow the rules which includes playing a game to its completion.

I have never AFKed in a match, the closest i have come to that is when my wifi drops and i have to hard boot my computer due to technical issues. AFKing in a match is pretty much the lowest you can go other than running it down mid. I merely change lanes if they refuse to play like a team mate then they cry about that when i tire of dying because they refuse to follow up i doubt many primarily solo queue up in iron tier as support and know this struggle.

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20191 votes

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I have never AFKed in a match, the closest i have come to that is when my wifi drops and i have to hard boot my computer due to technical issues. AFKing in a match is pretty much the lowest you can go other than running it down mid. I merely change lanes if they refuse to play like a team mate then they cry about that when i tire of dying because they refuse to follow up i doubt many primarily solo queue up in iron tier as support and know this struggle.

When you leave the lane to spite your own teammate I'm pretty sure you're not playing like a teammate either.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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When you leave the lane to spite your own teammate I'm pretty sure you're not playing like a teammate either.

So what would you do in the case you attempt to support your adc, set up possible initiates and they refuse to follow up repeatedly resulting in your death? Answer, Play Dota because this player base is getting too young for me.

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20191 votes

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So what would you do in the case you attempt to support your adc, set up possible initiates and they refuse to follow up repeatedly resulting in your death? Answer, Play Dota because this player base is getting too young for me.

Keep in mind, you're still going to find other players in Dota that don't agree to your tactics and you're still going to have to deal with them. Not every player is going to be constantly agreeing with your decisions.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Keep in mind, you're still going to find other players in Dota that don't agree to your tactics and you're still going to have to deal with them. Not every player is going to be constantly agreeing with your decisions.

You might be right though i am willing to bet that the majority of their playerbase is in large more mature than this games' , the fact that I cant solo queue as a support for more than 3 games without my ADC either trolling or being toxic in some fashion is a sad story. I don't even know if it is possible to climb out of iron tier as a support with this playerbase, if anyone knows if it is and they actually succeed i hope you live a long life without any health issues as the result because most adcs raise my blood pressure.

AeroWaffleFeb 4, 20192 votes

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You might be right though i am willing to bet that the majority of their playerbase is in large more mature than this games' , the fact that I cant solo queue as a support for more than 3 games without my ADC either trolling or being toxic in some fashion is a sad story. I don't even know if it is possible to climb out of iron tier as a support with this playerbase, if anyone knows if it is and they actually succeed i hope you live a long life without any health issues as the result because most adcs raise my blood pressure.

Making a different summoner spell decision or not agreeing with your engages is not necessarily trolling. A person can just as easily just not be agreeing with what you think is best. Could they be wrong? Sure. But being wrong is not the same as trolling.

You are going to run into that much more often in Dota2. As a support many people will have a strong opinion of how you should be supporting them and what items you should be buying for them.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Making a different summoner spell decision or not agreeing with your engages is not necessarily trolling. A person can just as easily just not be agreeing with what you think is best. Could they be wrong? Sure. But being wrong is not the same as trolling.

You are going to run into that much more often in Dota2. As a support many people will have a strong opinion of how you should be supporting them and what items you should be buying for them.

If you break that down then how is my refusing to agree with them not participating in combat and instead sitting back auto attacking minions while i engage 2v1 essentially while they farm a valid arguement in favor to defend their playstyle? Bot lane is supposed to be a team effort and the fact that they sit back and not even participate in combat is inting by proxy. They refused to assist which i would have been better off relying on bots at least then i would have been able to determine when they would assist me and play according. When they refuse to assist out of spite then that is a toxic behavior.

hrooza dota Feb 4, 20191 votes

dota player base is the same as lol

except they are not punished as fast

[slayer-jinx-wink]

NìràjFeb 4, 20191 votes

If you haven't figured it out this is exactly what happening in the world. Toxic trolls and when you speak up about it the people in power tell you, listen, focus on YOUR behavior not everyone else's. SAD thing is in a community environment ALL people matter and interact. So in fact, IT DOES matter what the other people said and did. Hard to take RANKED seriously when they say, bend over, take it and mute them. That's ALL YOU CAN DO as recourse. And yes it absolutely happened to me previously multiple times to parties of 2+. They mass report you and you're screwed. Listen, start a new account, spend ALL YOUR LIFE AND MONEY ON IT and make RIOT more money. #trumpmentality

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20191 votes

Multiple reports from one match don’t do anything. You get reported, then your chat gets reviewed. The number of reports doesn’t increase the likelihood of a punishment.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Multiple reports from one match don’t do anything. You get reported, then your chat gets reviewed. The number of reports doesn’t increase the likelihood of a punishment.

Reviewed by a bot... the algorythms in place to perma ban a player seems a bit unfair, the fact is that as harsh a penalty it is to permanently ban an account should have a bit more weight behind the decision to remove it from the servers than to be solely at the judgement of a soulless computer program. All im saying is if an account is to have its existence snuffed out then it should be removed by an actual person pulling the trigger instead of a mindless program that has no discretion.

Wínters DawnFeb 4, 20191 votes

Game is far from dying. I understand you're angry but don't confuse that with reality.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Game is far from dying. I understand you're angry but don't confuse that with reality.

The reality is i have been playing this game for about 8 years now and have been hardstuck bronze support solo queue getting reported by trolls and my account is perma banned, I have invested soo much time and effort into this game to be reported repeatedly by 13 year old trolls that get their rocks off by ruining the game for others.

Vegito101Feb 4, 20191 votes

Haha bro I fell your pain

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

One day there will be a game that offers a competitive 5v5 environment where there is not chat involvement and the only way a player will be reported is by means of afking or inting, i look forward to that game personally. Hopefully this will happen before i die.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

The funny thing is that I hurt someones feelings, I hadn't ever said anything racist, homophobic or any other type of hate speech. Yet my old account has been deemed worthy of being perma banned because I refused to support a toxic playstyle of players who opt to play ADC yet don't fulfill their roles. This by Riots standards is a bannable offense.

bluefire mark 2Feb 4, 20191 votes

I know this feeling, i am only ever a little toxic when people are to me since i tell them to leave me alone and explain what inting means. My main got perm banned. And like, everyone who knows me was shocked as I'm not toxic whatsoever. Riots terrible system banning the victims of toxicity and not the actual toxicity.

Hazy ShadeFeb 4, 20191 votes

The only thing you can control in the game is yourself. You decide how to respond to toxicity.

You should have just ignored/muted him, reported him, let him get banned, and you move on to another game. Instead you're the one that's been banned.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

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The only thing you can control in the game is yourself. You decide how to respond to toxicity.

You should have just ignored/muted him, reported him, let him get banned, and you move on to another game. Instead you're the one that's been banned.

Funny thing is i did all of those things as well to no avail so i really dont see what the point of this was.

Hazy ShadeFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Funny thing is i did all of those things as well to no avail so i really dont see what the point of this was.

So you weren't toxic back in game? If you posted your chat logs there wouldn't be anything negative in them?

Edit: You did post your chat logs. Yeah, you were super toxic dude.

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

RIOT wants money, RIOT wants to appease the largest audience possible. Consider that... They will ban anyone, if it keeps the largest paying demographic "happy" The largest demographic currently are millennial snowflakes that require safe-spaces to go to college. I'm sure i'll get banned for just saying THAT here. I know it would be a call to "report report report!!!!" in a Game! Don't speak bro, that's what they want you to do, don't speak. Fahrenheit 451 is becoming reality. (screen shotting all my forum convos for evidence, because china-this-way-comes) or i'm just super paranoid.

XidphelFeb 4, 20192 votes

or i'm just super paranoid.

Definitely that.

silverreignFeb 4, 20191 votes

perhaps you feel that is worthy of perma banning an account but personally i would just prevent them from typing at all ingame permanently if it were my game and this behavior persisted, better yet prevent they from seeing chat as well. alas they rather have the player create a new account though i dont understand how they expect to continue to make money from that customer once they have been burned.

Hazy ShadeFeb 4, 20191 votes

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perhaps you feel that is worthy of perma banning an account but personally i would just prevent them from typing at all ingame permanently if it were my game and this behavior persisted, better yet prevent they from seeing chat as well. alas they rather have the player create a new account though i dont understand how they expect to continue to make money from that customer once they have been burned.

Do you not feel responsible at all?

PH45Feb 4, 20192 votes

i would just prevent them from typing at all ingame permanently

Riot already tried permamuting toxic people, and it didn't provide positive results.

FF or QQFeb 4, 20191 votes

KDA Umbra you've missed his main point, I'm afraid. In life, rather to assume a persons wrong, you're supposed to first assume you've misunderstood their position. Which I'll try to do now. You did correct him on a lot of points like money doesn't buy privilege. Two wrongs don't make a right, things like this. But the spirit of the argument is the unfairness and inability to punish this behavior to begin with. And I think the spirit of your reply agrees with the OP. There's so much of a grey area to navigate through when two different perspectives clash, that you can't favor either side. This is why you can't report for toxicity, since beauty is after all; in the eyes of the beholder. Short of certain harassment clauses in freedom of speech. It's either all equal, or none of it is. Somethings offensive to some, aren't to others. "GG EZ" may ruin your day enough to get 100's of dollars and days of game time erased from a player, but to me, they aren't equal in the slightest. "Go fuk urself ahri stop feeding" isn't the same as "I will find you and kill you.". (Disclaimer; this is an example and does not reflect any literal interpretations) The former is what the OP has issue with, since I often find myself sympathizing with Chad types. There are many types. Some reach out and hurt, some hide and defend themselves. These energies are what are known as the duality of the universe. It's the nature of life. Thickening our skins, agreeing to disagree, having the benefit of the doubt, being strong essentially, is the answer. Not banning, excluding, and segregating these two communities. Though you might agree with us, since you didn't explicitly say you didn't, only refuted the incorrect points in the post.

I prefer to elevate the correct position and convert the empirically incorrect points as sub plots to the conversation to deal with bit by bit. Having them elaborate further on why they think they're true. Since their shoes could look much differently then mine.

Hazy ShadeFeb 5, 20191 votes

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KDA Umbra you've missed his main point

I don't think he missed his point at all. The OP's argument boils down to he, himself, was toxic but it's unfair to be punished because he was only defending himself, and Riot would see this if they looked at the entire chat as opposed to just his comments. Which has been explained a thousand times before, Riot doesn't see that as justification for being toxic regardless of whether people accept or understand the reasoning behind it. Side note: He's almost certainly been penalized before and had this explained, but he chose to ignore the information.

...freedom of speech

Has nothing to do with this. Freedom of speech is protection from the government restricting speech, not a private entity. At least in the US.

This is why you can't report for toxicity, since beauty is after all; in the eyes of the beholder.

Except this isn't true because we have social norms to guide us like mores, folkways, etc., that help define what we currently consider correct or incorrect behavior. So, this argument people don't know what's acceptable and not acceptable is malarkey. People know the intentions behind the comments they make.

Not banning, excluding, and segregating these two communities.

There aren't two communities. According to a presentation Riot gave a while back, 98% of players weren't considered toxic. Yes, the average player has bad days but aren't consistently toxic. There is one community and a bunch of toxic outliers that have shown no apparent attempt to improve.

There are many types. Some reach out and hurt, some hide and defend themselves.

Consider this if you consider nothing else I've said. Stop thinking about this from a strictly emotional standpoint, so to speak, because what I keep hearing in different variations is that people are too sensitive and get triggered too easy. Since, people get triggered so easy, Riot has came along and just started banning to protect the easily triggered.

Look at it from this perspective. Imagine there is a game going on. In said game Player A. makes a comment that is mildly inflammatory to Player B. Player B. takes issue with this comment and says something inflammatory back. This escalates between the two players. They are spending more time typing in chat than they are playing. Half the time they barely make it out of the base before they start at it again. Now this is the important bit. There are eight other people in this game and we don't care. We want you to both stfu and play the game. I didn't join a game to listen to two idiots rage at each other for 30 minutes and to lose because they don't want to focus instead of waving their d*cks around. I'm sure too if you asked both of the players, they would both say they feel justified in what they are doing. They are just defending themselves. Just trying to win the game by pointing something out or any of the other inane reasons people give.

Taking it a step further. Two players are negatively affecting the game for potentially eight other players and causing them to get frustrated, irritated, tilted or whatever. Those players now go into 10 more unique games and take those frustrations with them, each causing 8 more people to get frustrated, irritated, and tilted. The cycle continues. So when Riot says they don't want any toxicity regardless of who started it, then yeah, I'm behind it. It makes sense to me. Riot isn't trying to protect the snowflakes from the big mean alpha men. They are trying to shield the player base from excess toxicity.

Thickening our skins

If someone needs to thicken their skin it's the people who are the ones getting banned for being toxic. Every instance of someone being banned I've seen has been that player either going off on someone for playing poorly, not playing how they think they should, or some other issue with the other players outside themselves. These people never do anything wrong, it's always their team. The other reason people get banned is because they must defend themselves and become toxic in return.