League of Reports...Banned and Not Begging

Havokshell··5 votes·3,293 views

This community is the most pathetic gathering of fucked up namby-pambies I've ever had the displeasure of encountering. 90% of matches end up with reports from people who have nothing to complain about because of their participation in whatever "negativity" was going on. This game is a microcosm of modern society where everyone is such a stuffed up piece of politically correct shit that they can't handle even the slightest disagreement on issues from or with other people. The sad sack members of this community make this game and every interaction within it a complete joke. You can ram it up your collective ass. There's no reasoning with these morons when logic isn't something they've ever had to use during their robotic, 30-years-in-school lives.

Also, fuck you RIOT for enabling such a small, feeble and weak-minded reporting system and the people that use it as a "fuck you" after participating in exactly the kind of activity that they report for. Completely broken and fucked up system that serves no purpose but to feed the "you're gonna get banned!" crowd. Ram it up your ass, League of Legends.

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ModAttysu The Poro5 votes

So many people have threatened to report me for negative attitude because I've said "We're down 5 dragons, 3 barons, and 5 towers, with them having a 20 kill lead on us. We're not gonna win guys, we should surrender." "NEGATIVE ATTITUDE REPORT" - which is completely uncalled for and I didn't say anything wrong, simply stating statistics.

By the tone of this post however, you're very toxic and rude, and your language and opinions on other summoners is very rude. Unless you post your logs as to why you were suspended, then I'm just gonna assume you got banned for being caught as a toxic player.

Havokshell2 votes

I don't do the whole "toxic" thing. That's an incredibly pathetic way to live. I live a blue collar life, I don't care if language or straight talk offends you or anyone else. That's what the mute button is for. Like you pointed out, people can't handle being told anything straight up these days. They want you to walk on eggshells around their feelings because they're so sensitive that everything is personal to them. These are the people growing up today. So during a conversation, the minute I get a "stfu", it's time to go nuclear. I don't put up with that shit in real life, why would I online?

ModPrandine3 votes

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I don't do the whole "toxic" thing. That's an incredibly pathetic way to live. I live a blue collar life, I don't care if language or straight talk offends you or anyone else. That's what the mute button is for. Like you pointed out, people can't handle being told anything straight up these days. They want you to walk on eggshells around their feelings because they're so sensitive that everything is personal to them. These are the people growing up today. So during a conversation, the minute I get a "stfu", it's time to go nuclear. I don't put up with that shit in real life, why would I online?

From the Tribunal FAQ:

What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Havokshell2 votes

When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

No one forces anyone to use anything. Don't like the conversation? Use the mute button. Want to stand up for yourself? Trade more words. Choices. I also feel I shouldn't have to use the mute button, which is why I respond in whatever way I'm being spoken to. Done.

ModPrandine4 votes

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No one forces anyone to use anything. Don't like the conversation? Use the mute button. Want to stand up for yourself? Trade more words. Choices. I also feel I shouldn't have to use the mute button, which is why I respond in whatever way I'm being spoken to. Done.

Again, Riot's game, Riot's rules. Don't like them, don't play. When you force someone to make the choice to mute you then you've done something wrong. You can stand up for yourself as long as you're not a jerk about it. If you don't want to use the mute button fine, but don't force others to make the choice to do so just because you'd rather be a jerk. Also, you need to stop calling people who disagree with you "fanboys"-it's not helping your case here at all whatsoever.

EvilDustMan4 votes

I love this view that you are standing up for yourself. However, in game is not a place to stand up for yourself, because you are quite literally distracting everyone from play. So even, let's say, we agree that you can say whatever you want(which we don't), you are doing it in a place and time that actively CONTRIBUTES to ruining the game.

So even if you want to get on your high horse and beat your acne scarred chest and say 'freedom of speech' or 'false reporting' or 'Riot is thin-skinned', it means that you are a bad player.

And you're toxic as hell, so hey, glad to see you go, hope you spent tons of RP.

Havokshell1 votes

In game is exactly the place do it when someone is hopping on your ass in game. Where else would you address the issue? "Meet me IRL?" Is that your solution? Next time try to think and see if you can come up with something that makes sense. Enjoy spending half your life in school and do yourself a favor: move out of your mom's basement. Fuck wad.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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In game is exactly the place do it when someone is hopping on your ass in game. Where else would you address the issue? "Meet me IRL?" Is that your solution? Next time try to think and see if you can come up with something that makes sense. Enjoy spending half your life in school and do yourself a favor: move out of your mom's basement. Fuck wad.

After game, do I have to think FOR you?

Havokshell1 votes

After the game when they can leave a smart ass comment and then run off like a coward? Yeah, good thinking, bud. Based on that stupidity, why would I let you think for me?

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Can't handle a dose of your own medicine. That seems pretty "weak minded" to me.

Havokshell1 votes

Can't handle a dose of your own medicine. That seems pretty "weak minded" to me.

Where do you see me not handling a dose of my own medicine? By spiking back nonsense gibberish? Get a clue.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

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Where do you see me not handling a dose of my own medicine? By spiking back nonsense gibberish? Get a clue.

You just further my point with more angry posts brah. Keep them coming and I will just sit back and enjoy being right.

Havokshell1 votes

You just further my point with more angry posts brah. Keep them coming and I will just sit back and enjoy being right.

You haven't answered my question. How can you be right if your comprehension is this low? Keep looking for that clue and I'll sit back and watch you rummage around in the dark.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

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You haven't answered my question. How can you be right if your comprehension is this low? Keep looking for that clue and I'll sit back and watch you rummage around in the dark.

"After the game when they can leave a smart ass comment and then run off like a coward? Yeah, good thinking, bud. Based on that stupidity, why would I let you think for me?"

I haven't answered it because you answered it for me. pulls out popcorn

ShaftyMegee4 votes

Have a good day! Happy to see that I will never play with you.

Havokshell1 votes

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ShaftyMegee3 votes

Simply outrageous <3 Taric

ModPrandine3 votes

Riot has stated many times before that retaliation is never okay. You can defend yourself so long as it's done in a respectful manner. The moment you start being a jerk you open yourself up to valid reports against you.

Havokshell2 votes

Riot doesn't get to tell me whether retaliation is ok. This is the thing about being an adult, you get to make these decisions for yourself. The fact that people have willingly allowed companies to dictate these things to them online is indicative of a larger problem. I don't defend myself in a respectful manner, I hit back. To be clear, if the person reporting hasn't contributed negatively, I don't really have a problem with that situation. The second someone engages and then decides to report the other person afterwards as a little "fuck you", hoping that they will get penalized, that report should be void.

kaleb bartlett5 votes

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Riot doesn't get to tell me whether retaliation is ok. This is the thing about being an adult, you get to make these decisions for yourself. The fact that people have willingly allowed companies to dictate these things to them online is indicative of a larger problem. I don't defend myself in a respectful manner, I hit back. To be clear, if the person reporting hasn't contributed negatively, I don't really have a problem with that situation. The second someone engages and then decides to report the other person afterwards as a little "fuck you", hoping that they will get penalized, that report should be void.

You are being allowed to use the service they are providing and as such have agreed to abide by the rules they have set out. Don't believe me? read the ToS you click through in order to even see the log in screen. So yes, riot has every right to tell you that retaliation isn't ok, and if they really want to they can ban your account for what ever reason, or indeed NO reason as they see fit.

You don't get to come into another person's house and act like a jackass just because 'you're an adult'. If you were an adult you would understand that.

Havokshell1 votes

I'm not sure where you thought I was trying to justify or explain myself here. I'm not. I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation. PS, no one reads anything beyond the "accept" button. And yes, they can ban me and here is the crux of my point: It doesn't matter. I play the game on my terms, not theirs. They're not an authority that I recognize and it's pathetic how many people are all too eager to allow themselves to be told how they can interact online.

Your house example is so flawed it's incredible. I do however, get to go into another person's house as a guest and if another guest of this same host decides to be an ass, I will also be an ass. The host can then decide who, if anyone, he is going to remove. My point is the same. The host's potential action is irrelevant because the outcome is the same regardless. The threat of removal does not change the way I will respond to an asshole. It might change your response and that's fine. The issue then becomes what you value more. The host's company along with his guest (League and the community), or your own self worth and/or pride.

Jamaree2 votes

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I'm not sure where you thought I was trying to justify or explain myself here. I'm not. I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation. PS, no one reads anything beyond the "accept" button. And yes, they can ban me and here is the crux of my point: It doesn't matter. I play the game on my terms, not theirs. They're not an authority that I recognize and it's pathetic how many people are all too eager to allow themselves to be told how they can interact online.

You aren't going to recognize the authority...when it is their game? I...what? Whose authority and rules are...? I mean, I don't know what to say to this besides...what.

Your house example is so flawed it's incredible. I do however, get to go into another person's house as a guest and if another guest of this same host decides to be an ass, I will also be an ass. The host can then decide who, if anyone, he is going to remove. My point is the same. The host's potential action is irrelevant because the outcome is the same regardless. The threat of removal does not change the way I will respond to an asshole. It might change your response and that's fine. The issue then becomes what you value more. The host's company along with his guest (League and the community), or your own self worth and/or pride.

That is just it though, the system will not punish you if you are just flaming people who flame you first AND retaliate, I know this from personal experience. The system isn't so strict that one, two, or even three games of getting reports is enough to get you banned, it takes report after report, after report, and I have been to just about every elo from bronze to low Diamond and I personally know that you don't get people that will flame you every game, this doesn't happen no matter what you do, once again, this is from personal experience I know this. So this means that you go out of your way to flame and start fights and generally be an asshole, and the fact you are unwilling to showcase your logs is kind of proving that right now.

Havokshell1 votes

You aren't going to recognize the authority...when it is their game? I...what? Whose authority and rules are...? I mean, I don't know what to say to this besides...what.

What is confusing you about this? My rules. Which is why I'm not asking for a reversal of a ban.

That is just it though, the system will not punish you if you are just flaming people who flame you first AND retaliate, I know this from personal experience.

Good for you. I'm here to tell you that the system does just that, based also on... wait for it... personal experience.

So this means that you go out of your way to flame and start fights and generally be an asshole, and the fact you are unwilling to showcase your logs is kind of proving that right now.

I know you're trying real hard to be Sherlock right now with those try-hard powers of deduction but you should stick to activities more your intelligence level. I return a barbed word every time I'm given one. Without fail. Don't care about your assessments after that fact, it is what it is. And showing my logs is pointless for 2 reasons: 1) I'm not looking for approval from you or anyone else 2) I didn't save any and I'm not going looking for them

I've got you down as a RIOT fanboy now, so at least we got that cleared up. Done with you.

fatherdarius1 votes

"_ I play the game on my terms, not theirs. _"

Except... if you're banned you're not exactly playing the game, right? Not disagreeing with ya. Just sayin.

ModPrandine2 votes

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Riot doesn't get to tell me whether retaliation is ok. This is the thing about being an adult, you get to make these decisions for yourself. The fact that people have willingly allowed companies to dictate these things to them online is indicative of a larger problem. I don't defend myself in a respectful manner, I hit back. To be clear, if the person reporting hasn't contributed negatively, I don't really have a problem with that situation. The second someone engages and then decides to report the other person afterwards as a little "fuck you", hoping that they will get penalized, that report should be void.

Actually they do. Like it or not this is Riot's game and as such you are expected to follow their rules or face the consequences for breaking them. Every time you hit "I Agree" you agree to follow their rules. If you disagree with their rules then you are free to go and play another game instead. As far as retaliation goes, instead of one person screaming into thin air your teammates now have to deal with 2 people raging: the original rager and you, which means that you give your other teammates reason to report you. By not raging back at them you don't have to worry about being reported yourself. Oh, and it's also important to keep in mind that what you're doing the community disagrees with, so you may think it's okay to be a jerk to someone just because "they started it", but the community as a whole doesn't. In that sense the "Judge" is Riot and the "Jury" is the community (i.e. your fellow players). You'd be wise to keep that in mind.

Havokshell1 votes

I've already stated before that both RIOT and the community are not authorities that I recognize. And no, I wouldn't be wise to keep that in mind, I would instead be a cookie cutter RIOT fanboy like you. Done.

ModPrandine2 votes

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I've already stated before that both RIOT and the community are not authorities that I recognize. And no, I wouldn't be wise to keep that in mind, I would instead be a cookie cutter RIOT fanboy like you. Done.

So actually following the rules and not being a jerk makes me a fanboy does it? Sorry but unlike you I don't think that my own personal rules trumps everyone else's. You really need to get off your high horse and stop acting like you're better than everyone else as you're not. It doesn't matter if you don't like their rules. If you don't like their rules then don't use their product. If you do and your stubborn pride tells you to be a jerk to others then you will be banned, end of story.

To use a real-life example you have to follow the rules in your state and county. If you choose not to follow them because you "don't recognize their authority" then you will be fined and/or arrested for breaking the rules. Another example would be you choose to ignore the rules set in place by your boss at work because you believe that yours trumps all others. With that kind of attitude you'd be scolded and/or fired. In this game that's the equivalent of being chat restricted and/or banned.

Also, if you didn't care what others had to say then why post a thread in the first place? This is a public forum and like it or not you will have to deal with people who share different views and beliefs. You may not like what others have to say but that's just something that you're gonna have to deal with. While you're using the companies product you are required to follow their rules regardless of whether you "recognize their authority" or not. If you choose not to do so and get banned because of it, then that's your fault and no one else's.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

So, what's the point of this thread? Is it to try to change Riot's attitude, so it's more in line with your values? Is it to find out if the community shares your values? Is it to vent? I'd be able to respond much better if I knew what the point of the thread was.

Most posts that I see like this are an attempt to reverse the ban, but you've said that's not what this is.

Jamaree2 votes

Did you get your logs?

Havokshell2 votes

No, because it doesn't matter. I've never maintained that I'm a saint in this game but 9 times out of 10 I don't instigate anything. I will not lie down and take anything though, which is what Riot wants. "Just be a pussy and take it and report them after the game" - Riot logic. Not happening.

Jamaree4 votes

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No, because it doesn't matter. I've never maintained that I'm a saint in this game but 9 times out of 10 I don't instigate anything. I will not lie down and take anything though, which is what Riot wants. "Just be a pussy and take it and report them after the game" - Riot logic. Not happening.

So were you banned or not, then again with how the system works, even if you do retaliate, while not ok, you won't get banned. The system, bad or not, (it is by the way), has enough of a safety net that one game's worth of reports doesn't get you banned, so as long as you aren't an ass, you aren't going to be reported or at least get reported enough to actually even see warnings. I have AFKed, flamed people who flamed me, etc etc, not a single warning because I don't go out of my way to flame people, but if you hop on me, yeah, fuck you, I'm not gonna deal with it, especially if it is A. not 100% my fault, or B. was a mistake you made and are pissed that I didn't decide to join you in it.

However, looking at your original post, it is kind of hard to believe that you aren't toxic and whatever punishment you got wasn't deserved. Look at it from our point of view, imagine going into a courtroom saying "Fuck all of you, this corrupt stupid system framed me, and if I was outside, I would kill the jury and/or judge for wasting my time." Gonna be hard for us to believe that you are innocent.

Havokshell1 votes

We're not in a court room. And we're talking about online interactions. I'm an ass when the situation requires it, end of story. Won't apologize for that. Also, "toxic" is a disgusting highly subjective community buzz word. And my original post is more like: the system fucked me and I'm pointing it out. There is no jury and there is no judge because there is no authority here. I'm also not trying to convince anyone of my innocence. I'm an ass when it's required. Full stop.

Jamaree5 votes

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We're not in a court room. And we're talking about online interactions. I'm an ass when the situation requires it, end of story. Won't apologize for that. Also, "toxic" is a disgusting highly subjective community buzz word. And my original post is more like: the system fucked me and I'm pointing it out. There is no jury and there is no judge because there is no authority here. I'm also not trying to convince anyone of my innocence. I'm an ass when it's required. Full stop.

I find it really hard to believe that you required to be an ass, especially when you refuse to prove the evidence of such. If you are truly being fucked over by the system, then you should post and showcase that, as it stands right now, it just makes it seem more like the system is actually doing its job and got rid of a toxic player.

Havokshell1 votes

You're missing my point. I'm not interested in what you or anyone else thinks is toxic. RIOT doesn't reverse bans. Ever. So posting anything, even if I had anything to post, would be irrelevant. But the takeaway is this: I'm going to respond the way I'm going to respond, that's it. No explanations. Talking to league fanboys is like talking to brick wall though, so there's no point.

Jamaree4 votes

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You're missing my point. I'm not interested in what you or anyone else thinks is toxic. RIOT doesn't reverse bans. Ever. So posting anything, even if I had anything to post, would be irrelevant. But the takeaway is this: I'm going to respond the way I'm going to respond, that's it. No explanations. Talking to league fanboys is like talking to brick wall though, so there's no point.

This isn't me being a fanboy, this is just common sense that you are refusing to accept because you are pissed at your ban. They actually do and have reversed bans before, but only when people deserve it or prove that they didn't deserve it in the first case, you have shown neither, no one actually agrees with your sentiment besides other toxic banned players, and you are being just as much of a brick wall because you utterly refuse to own up to your own mistakes, so...yeah.

Havokshell1 votes

I've made no mistakes. I've responded online as I would in my personal life. I don't recognize words on a screen that tell me I can't as any kind of authority. In case you missed the title of the post, it explicitly mentions both "banned" and "not begging". And you aren't everyone so you do not get to tell me that no one agrees with me. I happen to know that a lot of people who currently play agree with me. The reporting system is fucked. Anyway, got you down as a fanboy now too. Thanks though, done with you now.

PlsTouchMeGently4 votes

Lololol. You agreed to the terms and conditions of League in order to play it, so in fact you DID recognize words on a screen as authority.

fatherdarius1 votes

I'd go as far as suggesting you didn't do anything 'wrong'. Right/wrong good/bad holy/evil are concepts far removed from an online game, or digital text on a screen. You felt the need to defend yourself and it sounds like you did. Sure, it sounds like it cost you your account, but so what man? You have your pride, and you can look in the mirror and not be disgusted with what you see looking back. You didn't 'jump through hoops' you don't believe in just to keep playing this game. I get it, and that's commendable.

I mean, look at me? I don't like to wear suits. Never have, never will. I'm not going to go into a dining establishment if I'm required to wear a dress coat. Even if they provide one for me. If I go in anyway, and the end up booting me out: My choice, they didn't need my money anyway, and I sure as hell won't go back.

Stick to your guns man. Your principles and worldview are too important to compromise them for a game.


Caveat, keep in mind that other people don't mind wearing a suit, and eating at a black tie establishment. Some people have a worldview that encourages pacifism, or non-retailian. Hell, some religions and entire countries espouse those views. Again, whether it's 'right/wrong' etc is bigger than a game.

For them, like the people enjoying dinner with their dress coat on, there are no 'rules or hoops' to jump through, because Riot's 'rules' and views allready mesh with the views of those players - in otherwords, for them there IS no compromise.


Personally I hope you find a game or community where you can enjoy yourself without feeling you would have to compromise your integrity to do so. For me, League of Legends provides that opportunity. For you, obviously, your mileage may vary.

Digielf1 votes

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This isn't me being a fanboy, this is just common sense that you are refusing to accept because you are pissed at your ban. They actually do and have reversed bans before, but only when people deserve it or prove that they didn't deserve it in the first case, you have shown neither, no one actually agrees with your sentiment besides other toxic banned players, and you are being just as much of a brick wall because you utterly refuse to own up to your own mistakes, so...yeah.

AHAHHAAH MAN THIS BOARD IS EVEN WORSE THAN GD LOOK AT ALL THESE DOWNVOTED POSTS

Jamaree2 votes

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AHAHHAAH MAN THIS BOARD IS EVEN WORSE THAN GD LOOK AT ALL THESE DOWNVOTED POSTS

I really don't care about upvotes and downvotes, I was trying to help a guy see the error of his ways, but he is too up his own ass to accept maybe he is in the wrong.

Havokshell1 votes

I really don't care about upvotes and downvotes, I was trying to help a guy see the error of his ways, but he is too up his own ass to accept maybe he is in the wrong.

I don't recognize your opinion on what is wrong and what isn't. Fanboy.

Jamaree1 votes

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I don't recognize your opinion on what is wrong and what isn't. Fanboy.

3 months dude...really?

Havokshell1 votes

Absolutely. A stupid comment doesn't become less stupid because time has passed.

The Lord Cookie2 votes

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We're not in a court room. And we're talking about online interactions. I'm an ass when the situation requires it, end of story. Won't apologize for that. Also, "toxic" is a disgusting highly subjective community buzz word. And my original post is more like: the system fucked me and I'm pointing it out. There is no jury and there is no judge because there is no authority here. I'm also not trying to convince anyone of my innocence. I'm an ass when it's required. Full stop.

Buzz word is a buzz word, kiddo.

Havokshell1 votes

Cool story, son.

HyperSMB2 votes

While the OP may be a bit aggressive about the point, I am fully with him.

The stupid "REPORT!" cries I see in almost everyone of my games are just insane. So rarely do I see anything worth an actual report, it does lead me to wonder how many people get banned for small stupid stuff.

I agree furthermore on it being a fair microcosm of modern society where people first look to blame someone else.

Jamaree3 votes

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While the OP may be a bit aggressive about the point, I am fully with him.

The stupid "REPORT!" cries I see in almost everyone of my games are just insane. So rarely do I see anything worth an actual report, it does lead me to wonder how many people get banned for small stupid stuff.

There is no doubt the current system is bad and flawed, because an automated system for reporting is stupid. The Tribunal was better because it let the very people who play the game decide who actually gets to play it or not. It wasn't some higher up, it was your equal, that person who was just as likely to play with you decide rather then some authority figure. That being said, you don't get banned for small things, you don't, the system is bad, but you don't get banned for one game of reports. The system both knows and functions around false reports, it is why people who get false reported actually don't get banned, it is why most players in this game don't actually get banned because false reports aren't enough to get the system to notice you because no matter the players, you won't get enough false reports to trigger the system to notice you. What DOES happen though that is unfair and once again makes me hate the current system is that there are people who are only mildly jerkish, people who go on lose streaks and get pissy, which is more then fair because once again, human nature, who then have a few games of being toxic on TOP of false reports who might get punished, and thus the system gets shit on and the cycle just continues.

Then you have people like the OP, who are actually toxic jerks and who think they have the right to be who get banned and QQ about the system when they are actually in the wrong, but refuse to see such.

TL; DR, system isn't perfect, but people like this deserve the ban.

I agree furthermore on it being a fair microcosm of modern society where people first look to blame someone else.

Humanity has always been like that though, there are just more bullshit rules getting in the way now.

jaymc11302 votes

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There is no doubt the current system is bad and flawed, because an automated system for reporting is stupid. The Tribunal was better because it let the very people who play the game decide who actually gets to play it or not. It wasn't some higher up, it was your equal, that person who was just as likely to play with you decide rather then some authority figure. That being said, you don't get banned for small things, you don't, the system is bad, but you don't get banned for one game of reports. The system both knows and functions around false reports, it is why people who get false reported actually don't get banned, it is why most players in this game don't actually get banned because false reports aren't enough to get the system to notice you because no matter the players, you won't get enough false reports to trigger the system to notice you. What DOES happen though that is unfair and once again makes me hate the current system is that there are people who are only mildly jerkish, people who go on lose streaks and get pissy, which is more then fair because once again, human nature, who then have a few games of being toxic on TOP of false reports who might get punished, and thus the system gets shit on and the cycle just continues.

Then you have people like the OP, who are actually toxic jerks and who think they have the right to be who get banned and QQ about the system when they are actually in the wrong, but refuse to see such.

TL; DR, system isn't perfect, but people like this deserve the ban.

Humanity has always been like that though, there are just more bullshit rules getting in the way now.

Preach it muh man!

Primaquarius1 votes
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