The Logic That Goes Unused

Havokshell··2 votes·1,449 views

I want to offer some helpful suggestions regarding bans. I've argued before that reports largely are used for offensive purposes instead of defensively. Someone does or says something that someone else doesn't like and immediately the typical league grief-mongers are begging their team, and the enemy team more often than not, for reports against whoever pissed them off. It's petulant and it's pathetic. Maybe you trust the Tribunal to sort all that out but I don't. But then there are issues that are more nuanced but which should be equally easy to figure out.

If someone is being "toxic", which is the official word for simpleton tools everywhere, or is using language against other people it might be report worthy, correct? But what if the other person returns such comments and contributes negatively to the conversation? How then can a report from either person be considered valid? Would it not make more sense, considering the fact that both parties contributed to the argument in the same way, to simply ignore both reports if they should occur? Obviously neither of them were bothered by the language or whatever other whiny term you want to come up with for whatever happened.

Instead, what happens is both people curse and argue and then both people report each other afterwards hoping that the other party will get nailed with a ban. Can we not put such a ridiculous use of the reporting system to rest by putting in place a policy that negates such a thing? The Tribunal is thought useless by people for reasons such as this, because it's used constantly as a final "fuck you" to someone you argued with in game. That's my suggestion. Put an end to reports like this by tossing them out as they come in and leave the reporting system for legitimate uses. If two or more parties are responsible for negatively contributing to the chat, their reports should be null and void.

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disregardable2 votes

No, that's ridiculous. Using derogatory language is unacceptable in the game regardless of the circumstance. If two people report each other for being derogatory towards each other, they both deserve to receive bans.

Havokshell1 votes

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No, that's ridiculous. Using derogatory language is unacceptable in the game regardless of the circumstance. If two people report each other for being derogatory towards each other, they both deserve to receive bans.

Um, no. If two people report each other, it's between them and should be treated as such. Why the hell would they need a third party to decide how they should behave among themselves. Between them, stays with them, no bans, ignored reports. Just makes sense.

Jubbinaut2 votes

Apparently, in OP's world, two wrongs do make a right!

PRØTØSS1 votes

OP is toxic. Probably got punished for raging at a fellow toxic and is annoyed, ignore him.

If two toxic players report eachother they should both get banned.

Havokshell1 votes

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OP is toxic. Probably got punished for raging at a fellow toxic and is annoyed, ignore him.

If two toxic players report eachother they should both get banned.

Yeah, that'd be cool if they were 12 and on the school-yard. Not so much if they're adults and can decide for themselves how they want to speak.

PRØTØSS1 votes

Are we ignoring the 8(4) other players that have to listen to you two bickering and who's to say your toxic attitude is a one time thing? It doesn't matter how you want to speak, if people consider your attitude bad then you deserve to have your right to communicate revoked.

Havokshell1 votes

Except, I'm not interested in what other people think. And no one has to listen to anything, courtesy of the mute button. If you refuse to use the tools given to you that isn't anyone else's fault.

Leaf of the lake1 votes

How about we just ban both of them like we have been, because I for one certainly don't want either one of them in my games.

HitsFromTheBomb1 votes

there is no tribunal anymore btw its all automated based on how many reports and how often. hence why its being abused now largely

Jubbinaut2 votes

Reports lead to reviews, not to bans. What's changed since the Tribunal went down is who handles those reviews. I posted a pretty thorough summary here, but the applicable part follows:


Part the Second: The Review

This is where things get hazier, unfortunately. There's not a lot of details available for players to see pertaining to the way reviews are handled currently. We do know there are two different review systems (though there may be connections or dependencies between them).

When a case is built by the reporting system, it's compiled and sent to Riot for review. Some cases are checked over by a fairly sophisticated chat-detection algorithm, looking for various indications of negative language and verbal behaviors. If no such indications are found, the case is dropped or Pardoned. If they are, a series of chat restrictions are issued. I suspect that if the algorithm detects sufficiently negative behaviors, it escalates the case for manual review (because that's how I'd do it), but I'm not sure if that's accurate. Regardless, I do know that at least some of the cases examined by the algorithm undergo a second review by a Rioter, to test accuracy (much like the quality checks performed on cars and condoms).

Other cases are sent directly to Rioters. I suspect that this is what happens when the reports are for things other than Verbal Abuse and possibly Negative Attitude. These (and those that may be escalated by the algorithm) are judged in much the same way as the Tribunal handled it, though with far greater access to information than Tribunal judges had. Cases against players determined to be innocent are Pardoned, as before. Those judged guilty, however, are issued 2-week suspensions or Ranked Restrictions. The suspensions appear to be issued in waves, rather than as they come.

It's important to note that cases are judged based on what behavior is found, regardless of what the reports say. For example, if a player is repeatedly reported for Negative Attitude, but the review indicates that he was heavily trolling his team - using Anivia's wall to block them from escaping or making kills, perhaps - the case is still punishable.

UndeZyrablee1 votes

I find it funny half the people say the banning system is too weak and reporting does nothing, and the other half says its too harsh and you get banned for troll/griefers reporting you. I have decided the truth is no one knows what the fuck happens, they just want a magical fix to make the game more fun, and I agree. Good luck changing human nature my friends.

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