Trying to help people is flaming?

BearsOnCrack·Jun 28, 2016·2 votes·672 views

Hello guys!!

(sorry for my bad englisch)

I recently got 4 reports from my team... the reason was quite simple i flamed they said. But then i asked how i giving people advice flame? The short answer:

We don't know you
You suck
Why do you even think you can teach us?
We know how to play our champs

Well if faker gave them advice they would have listen just to make it more clear to me how silly it was from me to be nice and try to help people. Unfortunatly i'm quite scared now that i will get a chat restriction cause of this. Furthermore i'm actualy quite interrested in other people experience in when they tried to be nice but people directly called it flame.

Sometimes i just think why are there people who can only see the worse side of others and never think maybe he meant it otherwise then how he said it right there. Gues its just the community of leage of legends.

14 Comments

Kitty Cat ToshaJun 28, 20163 votes

People know faker though. They are right - they do not know you. Why should they assume you know better than them?

If I ever give advice (and it's rare), I always ask beforehand if it is wanted. "Would you like some tips and ideas?". If they say no or are silent - DO NOT GIVE IT. They won't be receptive anyway. If you do give advice, never ever make it look like you are actually blaming someone. "Stop feeding" is never advice. "Stop towerdiving" can easily be misinterpreted. "Maybe try a (item) instead of (other item) to counter (whatever)" is good advice though.

It's all in the words

SarutobiJun 28, 20162 votes

Basically it's: Not what you said, it's how you say it. And since this is all chat you have to assume the worse when it comes to things like this. People will always misinterpret what you write. And like other have said a lot of people will get hostile when you are trying to be "bossy". These are random people you play with and all with (hopefully) the same goals: to win. They don't need anyone to tell them what to do unless they ask for it.

iisabrinaJun 28, 20161 votes

What is your rank? People in league of legends at lower elos, hell even gold and plat dont want to to take advice. and jeezus if you have a score like 0/2/1000000 they still think youre bad and wont listen to you.

Ill be honest with you, in bronze, if my team just listens to me, I can go 0/10 and still be a positive contributor for my team as long as my team is willing to split push or push in general. Ill do things like go straight tank (maybe nasus) farm the shit out of lane and then have them send 3-4 people to come get me, Ill waste a good 30 seconds of the time with warmogs heart chasing me while my team takes objectives. Because its bronze right? The 300 gold for one player (probably less at the 0/10 score) is more important than protecting objectives.

Anyway yes it happens alot and I usually get 10 game chat restrictions every few months and have to "reform" even though Im not being rude, the bronzes and silvers would just report report report .

I told a lulu she shouldnt be missing point and click shots (autoattacks) and she should hold down `. and she started crying saying I am being toxic, and i am insulting her play style. Im sorry but if you MISS an autoattack youre a piece of trash.

Keep providing advice in the nicest manner you can, make sure you arent spamming chat too often, youre being paired with these people and riot provides chat for a reason, if youre being courteous and just giving suggestions (THATS THE POINT OF THE FUCKING CHAT, TO ASSIST in GAME PLAY) dont worry about it. If Riot bans you for that shit I would just take them to court and strip them of all their money

Telephone BoothJun 29, 20161 votes

But you just said if you miss an auto attack you are a piece of trash. So you admit when you say "you shouldn't be missing point n click attacks..." you are kind of insulting the person. I would take it as an insult but I wouldn't get defensive cuz I'm a scrub and I know it.

All I'm saying is, it's all about how you word your advice. Take out the first part and just suggest holding ` ... i don't even know what that does tbh. You don't need to sound passive aggressive by adding the "you shouldn't be missing point n click shots" ...that just sounds like you're belittling the person and insecure players WILL get defensive in response and you may have just started a whole chain of chat, wasting valuable time and focus on the game.

What does holding tilde do anyways? Make it so if you don't click on a champ you do nothing? I use A for auto attacks usually but sometimes I don't and I just right click. Sometimes I miss the click and just move towards em like an idiot and die lol like I said I'm a scrub.

iisabrinaJun 30, 20161 votes

First Im glad you understand you messed up, and if it was someone like you I wouldnt flame you, if you corrected your mistake.

I dealt with her doing this multiple times, and all you need to do in these fights is hold down " ` " and this key targets CHAMPIONS ONLY (not sure if you knew this). I explained it to her and she still kept missing.

Nik NikersonJun 30, 20161 votes

You probably shouldn't be flaming any one.

iisabrinaJun 30, 20161 votes

Just played a game with a selfish MF. I know these kinds of people in game because my girlfriend is one of them. the only thing they care about during game, is THEMSELVES. They dont care about winning, they dont care about their team mates, they just want an insanely positive KD. This Miss fortune would sit out the entire team fight on purpose in the back, and only use her ult to finish the kills for herself. She did not respect her team mates .

I ganked both jinx and sona, took them down for her to around 50 hp, I was getting real low, she enters the fight now and kills both, has full health, full mana, and a HEAL, and she doesnt pop the heal ( and I died because of it)

Early game she would ask for ganks and she would just run away (FAR AWAY) and only come in if you get their health down close to 0. I am used to carrying bronze so I pick up on who does what very early in the first gank or so and I act accordingly. The second time I was running to engage during a gank, I WATCHED HER, rather than getting caught up in the chase and the gank, I saw her backing off so I left accordingly.

These kinds of people deserve to be flamed. SO I told her, she is a bad team mate, she is in bronze/silver w.e because of her own decisions, shes a selfish asshole and even though her KD was high, I would never want to play with her again.

that kind of flaming is deserved, relieves YOU of your own tilt because of this shithead on your team. And its to the point. Im not throwing racist/homophobic swears at her and ad hominem attacks, Im telling her what she is. And she deserved it.

PS. We won that game by a land slide because Ive learned when to engage and when not to engage in bronze since every bronze is different, some are very helpful, great team players, (they fail to recognize their team isnt a cooperative team though ) and they end up feeding. These kinds of players will do well in higher elos because their team does help more and more as you climb elo. They need to learn to work with bronze and not trust their team as much to follow up, but they perform well in higher elos because they can perform as a team.

Nik NikersonJun 30, 20161 votes

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say this may be why you get chat restrictions, and not so much you giving advice.

iisabrinaJun 30, 20161 votes

I wont say this during game. I am careful about this.

Telephone BoothJun 30, 20161 votes

Ahh ya I didn't know about the ` , thanks.

Jo0oJun 28, 20161 votes

Did you actually get punished or warned? Because baseless reports have no weight.

iisabrinaJun 30, 20161 votes

There is a post somewhere that proves even if someone doesnt chat at all and gets reported by multiple people they do get banned. Riots tribunal is cheaper than them actually having someone moderate the games.

Jo0oJun 30, 20161 votes

"Proves"

iisabrinaJun 30, 20161 votes

the riot moderators also discussed on this forum and sort of agreed/defended their ass so yes it is proven